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BurntRamen
It took years for the deaths to be correlated and years of battles against the cigarette companies who still wield serious political power.
WhateverUserNamesAvailable
I vape. Is it healthy? Course not. Lungs were only made for air. We all have bad habits. Least I don't smell
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
How about we stop banning shit and let people fuck themselves up however they want
BORGALOOGIE
Masterofdisgust
Ban weed after 0 deaths. Don't ban alcohol after over half a million a year you can do this for anything
darthstormer
Its all about the lobbyists. If weed had spokespeople handing politicians burlap sacks with $ printed on the side, pot would be at Walmart
Badsequence
And the fact the deaths were due to them using black market THC cartridges doesn't even enter the report!
MoreAshyThanLarry
I thought this was a stopgap measure until they figure out what is causing these deaths.
scavenger98888
Nah theyr gonna carry this to the end and then itll quietly go away once the panic dies
MehEdits
So next week?
scavenger98888
Oh definitely
rebel1996
This is so government bogus. ECigs are cutting into their huge tax scheme.
robotnixon13
Especially those damn flavored ones. Because adults dont like candy or sweets, especially when they arent consumed.
Coyote8
This comment is just dripping with sarcasm and it's great
Dukeboysz
"Nah its cool man its just water vapor" *blows huge cloud in your face*
wolf96781
It's not even water vapor, it's a medical grade propellant used in inhalers.
scavenger98888
Bro, its a food additive.
Ghost0fDawn
could you imagine how much worse that would actually be to just fill your lungs with water.
PjJonez
Dont have to imagine. Use the blu or mark 10. Walking pneumonia
darthlawsuit
Someone doesn't live in a super high humidity location.
Whatevenisrelevant
9 o'clock PM and 68%
darthlawsuit
My house at 76 degrees after a dry spell is 70% humidity.
SherMattLockSmith
It's also not e-cigarettes, it is black market marijuana extract cartridges.
randomusergnome
source?
scavenger98888
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=vitamin+e+acetate
MelodyLightfoot
that's the stuff that killed the ban is about flavors and how it makes it an easy entry point for kids. they did the same to flavored cigs
breakingcode
"Big Tobacco" has $$. if they're defending, they win, if they're funding the "Vaping is DEATH!!!!" movement,.. they win. $ shoved at gov=win
PeeBalls420
Its street thc carts cut with vitamin e acetate. Just dump your street product.
Grindfacts
Didn't they just announce it was the CDC oils ?
dejavu1999
It's black market THC oil cartridges that are causing this. Little tanks of THC wax cut with random chemicals. Get em from a dispensary 1/2
randomusergnome
source?
dejavu1999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SX9yYVscEo This guy sums it up pretty well
dejavu1999
and you should be fine. Get em from the streets and you don't know what's in them. 2/2
Tacowhip
Look up Carbofuran. It’s an illegal pesticide used in illegal cannabis grow ops. Wondering if this stuff shows up in these black market THC
Tacowhip
Pods. Heard about this shit on a Rogan podcast. I wonder if all this stuff is related
hoboacrossthestreet
Most of the people affected were consuming products that were not regulated by the FDA. Most likely street products or products shipped 1/2
hoboacrossthestreet
from other countries. Know where you’re getting shit from. Only get things from trusted companies. Avoid companies like JUUL!! 2/3
hoboacrossthestreet
JUUL is now owned by Marlboro. Recently, they have started to include two additional chemicals in their pre-filled pods that are not 3/4
hoboacrossthestreet
necessary to create vaporizer. Also, educate your damn kids. Teach them better decision making skills, that’s all you can do. 4/4
hoboacrossthestreet
Oh and just like, try to consume things in moderation.
Cammo353
Let's ban the thing that people are acquiring illegally anyway, that'll show em
clayford
same logic with guns. we're still trying to ban those too.
10aflyViper
VindictiveBathToaster
And the ecigs that caused those deaths were homebrew drug cartridges. Im sure the ban has nothing to do with millions in cigarette lobbyists
msdss
As a smoker of 20 years.. It's all trash.
reineseele
So if 6 Tesla drivers run over some fellas the normal/oil car industry will call it "murder machine" and we get back oil cars forever?
cadburyegg
The most ironic thing is that it's not even the vapor or the flavoring that is suspected to cause these deaths - it's Vitamin E.
TunaSub96
Sounds bs
SidneyHarbor
An article I read said there's only a handful of high correlation deaths but that they're investigating at least 300 more, some non-vit E.
badazzbob
could I get a link?
SidneyHarbor
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-from-vaping-in-indiana-california-and-minnesota-more-people-died-at-least-450-illnesses-now-nationwide/
badazzbob
this story says he vape a thc cart he got off the streets. probable mixed with cheap thickener with vit-E
SidneyHarbor
The bottom line however is that all of them are under investigation and it could be years to get good test results because health problems
SidneyHarbor
Note in the link it's cases, not deaths (yet).
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Over 70,000 people died of opiate overdoses last year, but let 6 people die of caping and the feds take action...? Wtf?
Raspootin
Government is loosing the the tax money from cigarettes and it makes them sad pandas
maplesyrup57
The Presidents friends don’t run huge vape companies. They DO however run huge tobacco companies.
Marinehbk56
You said it, ONLY Americans smoke! Right..
callmethelizardqueen
Oh please, big tobacco is all over this vape craze with vape pens and making the oil.
LetMeSeeMyKids
For instance? Which companies?
callmethelizardqueen
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tobacco-companies-taking-over-the-e-cigarette-industry_b_58b48e02e4b0658fc20f98d0
LetMeSeeMyKids
Thanks. I think big tobacco is for the banning, as surely they're assets will be financially compensated for. The alternative is the
LetMeSeeMyKids
Up to the 90-something % tax they have to pay to sell the product. Which to me looks like a financial loss on the acquisition
thiswillonlyhurtabit
The bigger problem is teen smoking dropped drastically, but a recent study showed 1 in 3 high school kids used vapes
wyatt8740
As a 22 year old, this depresses me beyond words. I fucking hate vapers almost as bad as cigarette smokers
ChewyClit
LoL...hater gonna hate
wyatt8740
*puff* it's just water bro *exhales in my car/blows into my face*
1skin2skin3skin
But haven't kids in high school been smoking for quite some time?
FlynyrdSkynyrd
It's a lot easier for teens to get Vapes than cigarettes
1skin2skin3skin
Really? I thought most of the stores sold both, I mean I know cigarettes are usually more expensive.
dbsweeney
6 unexplained deaths in ~30 days. 200 + hospitalized with breathing problems. Seems reasonable to stop and think.
Djohaal
But it's marijuana, it's natural and 100% safe, trust me!
paulsname
Yes and no. In its natural form yes. Its its remanufactured chemical based juice form no. Even in natural form smoke still makes resin..
paulsname
Every smoker can just see what it does to their pipes/bongs etc.. clogs them up, imagine what it does to lungs
LetMeSeeMyKids
Deaths have been explained
ekraft1189
1300 explainable deaths per day from smoking according to the CDC. I don't see anything truly being done about cigarettes
herefortheboobies
Or look into why this suddenly happened.
Tlis
Right? It's not like e-cigs haven't been around for years now, so why is this happening now?
LiteralFish
Yeah. They've been out for years and this suddenly happens makes me wonder if it could be a contaminated or improperly made batch.
KW1984
Flavored vapes... flavored cigs have been banned for decades and it's only until they get FDA approval... I will take my downvotes.
Domehammer
Its turning out vaping might shocker... destroy your lungs.
Allmypointsarefromcomments
Screw your logical thinking!
slaphappysloth
Oh man don't say that, it makes me feel old! I remember buying flavored cigs!
WorkBeerRepeat
Just 10 years ago
slaphappysloth
10 years is a third of my life.
PraiseTheMachineGod
Anything starts to smell good if you take it long enough.
PickledOpinions
I've never smoked, but my grandma did. Not many people smoke around here, so to me its a nice smell that reminds me of grandma's house
mewtooie
They weren't banned in my country until a few years ago. I barely smoke nowadays but I miss the Camel Shisha flavors so hard.
KW1984
Correction: I was wrong-ish, flavored cigarettes have been illegal for 1 decade... I swear I remember a ban on them in the 90s under Clinton
WalrusMuscles
It was a real roller coaster, first I was like “haha no idiot,” then I was like “oh shit it has been a decade.”
Spaceframe
Having worked in the industry, very nearly 100% of my customers prefer fruity/candy/dessert vapes. Virtually never sell "tobacco" flavors.
Roune
I miss the Camel flavored cigarettes that came in the tins. Some of those were pretty fucking good
seoulfoundation
Izmir Stingers ftw, I would almost start smoking again if those came back.
CraftedLine
Ohhh I remember those. The orange ones were awesome!!
Roune
I really liked the New Years party ones that were like champagne or something
Tenfidy
Yea the exotics
RailRabbit
Spent too long trying to figure out why anyone would like camel-flavoured cigs.
TurdFerguson480
Grape Swisher Sweets, Skoal Apple pouches, flavored Shisha (for hookah). This is just "Big Tobacco" flexing on a competitor
fittzoid
Exactly.
zxcx4
None of those constitute as cigarettes so dont follow the same rules. Also all big tobacco companies have embraced and sunk tons of (1/2)
Thorudon
Yeah, tobacco is classified under... I think 4 categories, weirdly enough. All with slightly different laws/regulations to them.
HitlersArtTeacher
Okay, Orange/Menthol Marbs just smoked thin august
zxcx4
Is it orange flavored?
HitlersArtTeacher
What do you think
zxcx4
Money into vapor products. They wouldn't go lobby against their own investments
ExecutorHideo
Fruity vape juice may soon require an overpriced license. Tobacco companies unneffected by tiny bill, while local competion is ruined...
Syk0tik0ne
What if big tobacco/government is poisoning the black market vapes juice? US government did it with moonshine.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
US government did it with industrial alcohol that wasn't intended for consumption in the first place.
zxcx4
They're probably not poisoning it but someone is definitely leveraging very small instances to push their agenda. 6 deaths is less (1/2)
flarflarf
exactly. it's the "making them taste like candy" part people are objecting to.
Popspoppingit
I mean, it IS illegal for them to get it just like, oh , IDK, flavored beers?
Thejunkfoodkid
Seriously, the part where something like 70% of middle schoolers have tried it because it tastes like candy and they think its safe
CreepModulus12
Any source on the 70% statistic?
Thejunkfoodkid
There's a reason cigarettes aren't allowed to have cartoons and plaster their ads everywhere.
depressingcomments
My problem is this: I have to vape flavorless shit because children are misinformed and like candy? Me having to be denied a product I
depressingcomments
Enjoy because children are doing something they aren't supposed to do sounds like a problem for parents, not for me.
flarflarf
well that's one of the problems with living in a society, sometimes you don't get to do something you want to.
ekraft1189
Kind of seems like they should be cracking down on the people selling to/ buying for these kids instead of blaming the product, right?
Maanee
If only it were that easy we wouldn't have had problems with kids smoking either but we still do.
PorkFriedRice4Life
cigs cause cancer over years of exposure. ecigs killed 6 in a very short time from acute respiratory failure teens. they are different.
CaptAmazo
I think the idea is that we could ban both
LetMeSeeMyKids
The difference is the financial ties to big tobacco and the FDA/gov
causality
This is like if people bought illegal black market gasoline that made their car AC poison them and then tried to ban automobiles.
GeneCloningWilder
Gas has nothing to do with the air taken in by a car for AC but.... Although it's a shitty analogy your not wrong...
LikeTotallyNotTheNSA
Classic cigs playing that long game.
zoeelane201
It's not store bought certified stuff that's hurting ppl, it's dumb kids modifying and mixing shit they have no business doing.
WhateverUserNamesAvailable
Can we discuss the kids killed by guns in the last year as a comparison?
jaggedcan9ne
Not if it involves them looking into the barrel to check if it was loaded.
goatfkersdidnothingwrong
Gen Z is ruining the e-cig industry!
GeneCloningWilder
Really? And how many tobacco/cigarette related deaths are there per year?
SherMattLockSmith
But it is not from "ecigs" it is from black market marijuana extract cartridges, they are using this to attack ecigs though. The coverage1/2
randomusergnome
source?
SherMattLockSmith
Everything I have read online from reputable sources has mentioned it, for some reason TV news is omitting it entirely.
SherMattLockSmith
This for one: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1911614?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article 84% were THC vapers, other reports 1/2
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 State that the commonality between the THC users is that they got their cartridges "off the street" or from friends who traveled out...
VladHarkonan
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/07/health/vaping-lung-illness.amp.html
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 On the news is vastly different than what they authorities have reported, and much much more concentrated on "ecigs".
Puvaradivi
1- I heard the popcorn lung thing was also do to a specific chemical in some ecig flavoring. No idea if popcorn lung caused deaths though.
Puvaradivi
2- Regardless I make sure both things discovered to possibly have links to illnesses are not in my own. Still better alternative to cigs IMO
ekraft1189
Great Britain seems to think so. If you call their quit smoking help line, they tell you to pick up a e-cig.
PjJonez
Popcorn lung is caused by diacetyl. The most common stat ive found is that it appears 750 time higher in cigarettes. Not enough to cause 1/2
PjJonez
Popcorn lung. And if you're that worried stay away from cream flavors for safe measure. Its an artificial butter flavor. 2/2
LiteralFish
And it's a tiny amount. Even in a much much much higher amount in the factory, popcorn lung was still rare.
Outlavv
The same genre of teens also ate tide pods so... i dont think it was the ecigs its more darwinism
ReaperOfNotes
Sure it was the ecigs not the black market Cannabis mixed juice .... Right
heyitsprisonmike
You are very very correct sir
zenotek1
And the ones that claim it was regular ecigs are lying to cover their use of carts.
randomusergnome
source?
rezpawner
If all the vapers I had met wasn't such obnoxious cunts about it, I may have cared more, alas...
rezpawner
If you stand next to my desk at work, smoking that shit blowing it into my face, then I hope you fucking get lung problems.
rezpawner
(And I couldn't punch the cunt because he had MS, and there's no way of explaining that shit).
ibetoast
They are finding that these 6 individuals had vape that was cut by vitamin e oil. That's what killed them
liriodelagua
This is some weird modern bullshit. First, e-cigs. Second, it's cut. 3th, with vitamin oil. 4th, it kills. One wtf after another. Have a +1.
mmmkayok
3th?
zxcx4
It comes right before 4rd and right after 2st
BeanMugged
But their lungs were supple and collagen free and absolutely glowing
CaptainBergatron
Oh you!
TheLordGodAlmighty
Lots of with vitamin e acetate. If that was the cause there would be many, many more deaths
SherMattLockSmith
That is one possibility, they have not claimed that that is the cause as of yet.
DJent777
They (the CDC) did confirm it was e-liquid not purchased from licensed distributors. Meaning legally distributed e-liquid is safe(er)
SuicidalThrillbillyturnedLunaticChillbilly
Can I get a source for that? This dude at work won't STFU about it. I would be greatful!
SherMattLockSmith
Also essentially every case has been linked to marijuana extract cartridges purchased from friends of "off the street" not "e-liquid"
SherMattLockSmith
*or.
SherMattLockSmith
Yes, but they did not say that vitamin K was the cause, it is present yes, but not confirmed as the root cause.
GorgeousGen
Ah a lovely logical response relevant to the issue, I love it! Very true too.
AbortableToaster
True, but Logical response and facts vs Emotional Experiences and personal stories loses. It's like when steroids got banned in the US
TheBetterVeteran
Logical? We know, for a fact, that cigarettes cause a plethora of health issues, and death, in people who smoke and people around them.
TheFeralDog
Not really it leaves out vital information about vape juice and their ingredients. It needs to be more regulated not banned
PjJonez
Actually, the regulations they are working to have in place are great. But it's still new and they're still working on implementation.
PjJonez
Plus, the big issue is regulating vapable cannabis. And juices with melatonin and caffine additives. Those are a problem.
TheFeralDog
As I said they left out vital information
LightningMcQueef
6 people out of millions that have Vapes for years. Hmm
Streetmix
Oh they are going to succumb too, just not as fast.
LightningMcQueef
Sure you’re right and it has nothing to do with the fact they were all vaping counterfeit cannabis pods with vitamin E.
Streetmix
Cancer takes longer.
DocWino
The first 5 or so we’re from the same fucking town!
superroo351
Your reply is like saying Asbestos is save because nobody does after a few years. All of the deaths take time to happen.
LightningMcQueef
No, smart guy. There’s no correlation with vaping professionally manufactured juice and these illnesses. There is however a link between
LightningMcQueef
these deaths and vaping counterfeit cannabis pods with vitamin E. There is also a correlation between tobacco lobbyists and media /
LightningMcQueef
outlets being seeded with anti-vape stories by tobacco companies. Remember them?
zxcx4
All illnesses are linked to vitamin e acetate and oil based e liquids. None of which are put into nicotine products by anyone capable (1/2)
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
That's only partially true. "All" is a damning qualifier since e-cigs are too new to the market to see the lifelong damage they cause.
zxcx4
Of using a Google search to find out nicotine doesn't desolve in fat soluble solutions
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
¹This is truth, though since most e-liquid recipes are proprietary & there isn't any compelling reason for manufacturers to disclose
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
²ingredients, consumers really do not know what is in their vape liquid. Seeing as the major tobacco players also own e-cigs...Caveat emptor
ManzaDodanza
Most of these deaths occurred in people who used various heavily from 8th grade on. One had a collapsed lung from not letting his lungs(1/2)
ManzaDodanza
Develop properly. If seniors and college kids stopped giving out vapes to children they likely wouldn't have died.
ManzaDodanza
(this being said based off of me working in a tobacco shop and hearing people brag about introducing vapes to their high school)
ekraft1189
Minors try to come into my shop with their friends that are old enough. I don't sell to any of them. I also warn the shops around the area
PjJonez
Except it was cannabis oils not nicotine vapes.
GlipGlop707
so like 4 - 5 years. Ypu dont die from cigs after 4 - 5 years
OurLordLucifer
You can though. No doubt most cigarette deaths are from emphaxema and lung cancer after long exposure. But many young people die from it too
GlipGlop707
bring me the number then and just say it
MoaConstrictor
Hard to give a number for things like people that smoked a little bit and ended up with cancer down the line.
Compound515
I'm sure we will find out in 50-60 years that ecigs cause cancer too
TroelsyTwo
Of course it does. But it doesn't make you disgusting on the outside like cigs do. And you don't inconvenience everyone around you.
schnager
*super cancer
Spaceframe
I wonder how many products within arms reach of your computer had a prop 65 warning on them when you purchased it xD
l33t1c4r1u5
But only in California
twozerooz
Yup, just like we now know that marijuana causes psychosis and schizophrenia
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Genuinely interesting in this statement so no snark. You have some sources for that?
twozerooz
"CANNABIS AND SCHIZOPHRENIA A Longitudinal Study of Swedish Conscripts"- Andréassona et al, The Lancet, 1987.
twozerooz
"Brain Changes during Cannabis-Induced Psychosis: Clarifying the Marijuana Medicine/Harm Dichotomy" - Flor-Henry at al, 2018
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
You sexy mutherfecker, thank you for all the sauce. It's people like you that make IMGUR a fun place to learn something new.
twozerooz
"Marijuana and Psychosis: Policy Implications for Treatment Providers." - Bagot et al, 2018
twozerooz
"Cannabis, schizophrenia and other non-affective psychoses" - E Manrique-Garcia, et al - Psychological Review, 2012
twozerooz
"Cannabis Use and Earlier Onset of Psychosis" - Large et al, Arch Gen Psychiatry, 2011.
twozerooz
"Cannabis use and psychosis" - Houston et al, Psychological Medicine, 2011
twozerooz
"The Environment and Schizophrenia: The Role of Cannabis Use" - Henquet et al, Schizophr Bulletin, 2005.
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MaladaptedMedic
They have known carcinogens in them, dude. Not as many as a cigarette, but they definitely carry a high potential
TheBretters
Why does this have so many downvotes?
Compound515
Well just about everything else we do causes cancer so why not this?
twozerooz
Did you even bother reading his comment?
DrRad
Doctor here. I’m positive, based on the research. The answer is yes.
ISellUsernames
Didn’t some juil pens/pods leech lead into the vapor fluid or smoke itaelf?
aRootinaTootin
Thanks Doctor Rad!
pcooper114
zxcx4
Can I get a sauce?
VladHarkonan
I'll listen to the Royal college of physicians. Not doctors sucking corporate dick.
SuicidalThrillbillyturnedLunaticChillbilly
DrRad is the only opinion on these matters I trust!
VonKripplespac
Dude I don't care what you put in your lungs. If it's anything other than oxygen and nitrogen mix then it ain't good for you...
zxcx4
Oxidation is actually a key process in aging. Oxygen has been killing you since birth
moistlysarcastic
If that were the case, organisms wouldn’t have a maturation process. And animals that live longer than humans, like tortoises, wouldn’t be.
VonKripplespac
... even to much pure oxygen can kill you.
MontyPythonQFHG
even too much regular oxygen can kill you
LiteralFish
Damn. I knew those asthma inhalers were dangerous.
thepromisedLAN
It's not even nicotine. At all it's the fucking black market concentrates
Imademyselfsquirtle
You are literally smoking chemicals worse than cigarettes.
iScreenshotProfiles
You literally are not.
Spookadook
Exactly. Funny part is, every one of these cases they refuse to release or investigate what product the person was using at the time.
iScreenshotProfiles
....I think they’re trying to figure out the cause first.
schrodingersasymmetric12gauge
It's the weed.
dovebair
it's the fact that what is being vaporized is not regulated at all. It could be a substance that is usually not harmful, but extremely toxic
dovebair
When vaporized, like vitamin E. Or can be bad solvent removal, or just plain over use
thepromisedLAN
Yup
ravenousj
Been hearing lot about the oils and vitamin E has something to do with it.
db24characters
Vitamin E acetate. Basically grease from the plants.
dovebair
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocopherol interesting to think that by trying to be "all natural" they are collapsing lungs. Stay in school
iScreenshotProfiles
Im not smart enough to understand. Why is it included in vaping products at all?
dovebair
Oh, it's not. It's meant to be applied to the skin, and when you vaporize/inhale it, it destroys the lungs.
Sarahthelurker
Nicotine is still problematic. Causes all kinds of systemic reactions in the body. And even seemingly harmless ingredients like glycerin >
Sarahthelurker
Become harmful when heated, and then the products of that chemical reaction are inhaled into lungs which have really no protective mechanism
Sarahthelurker
Many ingredients currently used in flavoring e liquid contain know cytotoxic chemicals. Diacetyl is used to make juice sweet. Diacetyl cause
Sarahthelurker
Popcorn lung, aka bronchiolitis obliterans. I work with youth to prevent the uptake of tobacco products including vaping and this industry
Sarahthelurker
Heavily targets children to use these products. Thats where my biggest concerns are.
JunkMonk
does anyone know which brands specifically? i only see the companies that sold the thickener
procrastinating
What’s wrong with those? Asking for a friend.
gnikcuftihs
tupacshomie
E-cigs dont have nicotine? Like jules and such?
philosophigher
E cigs are straight nicotine
dejavu1999
He means dab cartridges. Little vape tanks with THC oil. People are cutting the oil with Vitamin E and weird shit that causes lung disease.
PjJonez
Well, that and people misusing their devices, and not hiding super high nicotine liquids from their kid. But even mark 10s can give you 1/2
PjJonez
Walking pneumonia. All those small cig brands can other than the jewel. And any china made juice. They all have water in them 2/2
thepromisedLAN
That's different than popcorn lung right
PjJonez
Yeah walking pneumonia is water condensation dripping in your lungs
SuperfluousMeh
Correct. That was caused by diacytl (?). A popular butter sub flavor.
Sarahthelurker
Diacetyl is used in many popular sweet flavorings of e liquids. Popcorn lung is actually called bronchiolitis obliterans and it can occur
officiallypepesvia31415
EccentriCanadian
Those frames
selloutrock
ShameSpearOfHurt
Damn that is one crispy gif
selloutrock
It really is a work of art
dogfavoriter
Black market implies it is already illegal. What is this ban supposed to do?
ElbowDeepInMythicalCreatures
It's concentrates like diacetyl. Which is not used due to the health issues it creates.
thepromisedLAN
Exactly
LetumComplexo
Move it from legally grey to illegal, provide a platform to convict people on this specifically, and spread information on its dangers.
073090
The ban will make the black market sales even more prolific. Prohibition never works.
Mumalot
make it MORE ILLEGAL!
PubstarHero
Its under the implication that these people are importing from California "legal/tested" cartridges.
ficklef0x
ban it more harder.
PooPooInSpaghettiEveryoneUpsetti
Illegal or not in accordance with standards. Products that haven't been checked, approved, etc.
PooPooInSpaghettiEveryoneUpsetti
So illegal, yeah. Damn, I'm tired...
PjJonez
Fyi, they say the fda is regulating the industry but they haven't gotten there yet. It's mostly self regulated.
thepromisedLAN
But using equipment and lab setups that have to be evaluated by health dept locally every so often I do believe
PjJonez
Yeah which most US comapies have done since day one but the FDA has not gotten around to all of them. They're still fixing the bugs
BurntRamen
As someone who works in the industry, it's not entirely clear what aspect is causing it and if it's just black market stuff.
BurntRamen
This might be it: https://www.leafly.com/news/health/vape-pen-lung-disease-vitamin-e-oil-explained
TheLordGodAlmighty
Maybe. Maybe not.
BurntRamen
Yeah maybe and might be are synonymous.
GorgeousGen
As someone who's worked in the cannabis industry going on a decade now... This. Trust me. I've got some horror stories.
IUpvoteLOTRMemes
I worked in the industry. I order pens from my friend who makes them in Portland. They're black market but I know their process and I...
IUpvoteLOTRMemes
...feel safe about what I'm getting. There's a lot of people ruining this for the rest though.
IUpvoteLOTRMemes
Definitely interested in the stories though.
Imhereforthepups
Please tell us.
SalmySwims
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Cr4zyC4tLady
Story time!!!!!
SadAndFat
Please elaborate as i use these
lurkernoob
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SmashingBrickCastration
Please make a post about this
BlackRonaldo
Pls
Comanaprosil
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justanothergoonie
Post em! We need to know
Treeface
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danikashmanika
it makes me sad that people are blaming regular vapes. black market concentrates end up with things like pesticides in them. it’s ridiculous
thepromisedLAN
I don't know how people didn't realize very quickly with one look at processing
Kaelthoss
They did actually, but people see that any type causes death and immediately jump to conclusions. Vaping has been around since 2001
deathbydoughnut
Pro tip: No one looks at processing.
Amphest
Please share in a post if you feel like doing so, people would be interested:)
GorgeousGen
I want to, I'm mainly concerned about legal issues. Some involve illegal activities and talking about things they don't want folks to know
GorgeousGen
About like the money gun.
Ristari
Mmmmmm
PhunPhact
Just don't use names or locations. Give us an overview. Are users who use legal carts safe??
ColdestOne
I would be interested in those stories!
rocklemycockle
A lot of us would.
doglickingbuttholes
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shushilly
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AWildImgination
I miss that window of time when imgurians would make job story posts. Those were always great
SakuraSunsets
I still check in once in a while to see if there’s new ones. One day...
SoludisSnake
Me being a sys Admin. I got some stories. One time, a user didnt put in a ticket!!.
lncorrectGrammerNazi
EnTaroSheelal
May I borrow this?
ExecutorHideo
Idk if you got permission, but Im just gonna take it.
lncorrectGrammerNazi
Go right ahead!
EnTaroSheelal
Thanks!
CrypticalEnvelopement
Actually several illnesses have been linked to over the counter legal weed vapes. Still sensationalism but just saying
RezaQin
Stop vaping THC oil.
skylark28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcGfLZpSSyA
skylark28
True. Phil Defranco's youtube video gave the... fairest(?) presentation of the situation I have seen so far...
slightlysoggyasparagus
I just wanna sit here and enjoy a hit from my vape when I have the time thru the day, and all these potheads gotta ruin it for us. FFS.
CrypticalEnvelopement
Due to the rise in teen tobacco use they were bound to come after flavors sooner or later unfortunately
slightlysoggyasparagus
Yup, that too. Frickin' kids. I just want the nic buzz to destress without the gross ass cig taste and smell and now I can't. Thanks teens.
iScreenshotProfiles
Nicotine is poison
CrypticalEnvelopement
But from what I've read they're both safe as long as there's no vitamin E in there
ThronesWoven
so true, i once tried cooking with vitamin e, stuck right to the side of the pot. it's sticky stuff i want nowhere near my lungs
slightlysoggyasparagus
Thing is, a good portion of the THC pods are gonna have it since they're from shady-as-shit deals and unregulated.
CrypticalEnvelopement
It's been found in regulated ones too though, and black market doesn't always mean poor quality/shady