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Oct 12, 2020 6:40 PM
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kendrickmeadows1
If you're in a red or blue state then it doesn't matter. If you live in a swing state then your vote counts.
clutch2999
Please help, I'm feeble minded and don't know how to form my own opinions on politics. Who should I vote for?
bugcooper
whoever you want, just understand that the third party has already lost
clutch2999
Missing the point, you are.
SteveMND
Agreed. We need to fix the system so that 3rd-party candidates actually HAVE a chance in hell to succeed, but that will NOT happen from /1
SteveMND
2/ the top-down. And this election honestly has one and ONLY one goal—to stop the country from bleeding out on the table. If THAT isn't /1
SteveMND
3/ taken care of first, the rest may all very well be a moot point in the next election. If there IS a next election.
MidoryMoon
It's not the *system* to vote third party. Ever. If you want third party to be viable then we need to overhaul the electoral system.
MindOfMobius
depending on the district you are in, voting third party to increase their funding actually is a good idea.
bugcooper
careful, facts piss people off
springelmogizmo
SisyphusLivinLife
I like this.
bugcooper
excellent
ath1337e
If there is zero chance the candidate will win, voting for that person is throwing your vote away and taking votes from the mainstream...
ath1337e
... candidate that most fits your values and interests.
bugcooper
yup
SisyphusLivinLife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_performances_in_United_States_presidential_elections
HankProPainHill
Johnson to Biden voter here. While I agree with you, telling 3rd party voters this isn’t going to nudge them. Asking them questions might
bugcooper
if they need convincing at this point, there is no convincing them.
MindOfMobius
depends where you are in the country
huffdogg
This is not an unpopular opinion.
bugcooper
it shouldnt be
Caper2566
AzgarOgly
two party political system is not much better than a single party one of the totalitarian regimes
SisyphusLivinLife
One party has entertained the concept of getting rid of FPTP system. While we are currently in a FPTP system in the GE 1 of 2 can win.
AzgarOgly
Now please translate for my european friend.
SisyphusLivinLife
First past the post style of voting leads the General Election into a race between 2 people.
SisyphusLivinLife
There is NO chance (every bit of historic data on all votes in the USA prove this) a third party outside of the two can win in a FPTP system
FloppyFingers
It never is, this is a broken record, and also why things dont change for the better.
bugcooper
true. too much at stake this time though
Audasity
agree, too much at stake this time.
OxygenTheif
You know, people say that you are "throwing your vote away", but isn't everyone who isn't in a swing state/district who voted against the 1/
OxygenTheif
Local favorite?
SisyphusLivinLife
A problem with our FPTP system, although the dems in multiple places have taken up ranked choice voting so theres a hope.
SisyphusLivinLife
Thats different, in a fully controlled state (left/right) your votes not thrown away but it is absolutely with less value than others.
OxygenTheif
I think most people use "thrown away" more to mean "so without value that it might as well be thrown away."
belikeron
Third Party has to start at the ground level and win local and state seats. It needs to build a coalition.
MindOfMobius
system isn't designed for parliamentary coalitions
belikeron
You can't start at the top with some randos every cycle and expect change.
MindOfMobius
can't expect change in the system at all as it exists
EllisTomago
Guess what, I'm going to do it anyway
dumberthanyouraveragebear
Guess what, you have the constitutional right to do so. People forget that. I’m not right wing, but when it comes to voting, there should
dumberthanyouraveragebear
Not be limits on who you can and can not vote for. It defeats the basic purpose of democracy. I believe even non voters have the right to
dumberthanyouraveragebear
Do so and still be free to be critical of government. This arrogance of vote smacks of class division, and not of free thinking.
SisyphusLivinLife
So you don't care who wins?
bugcooper
good for you. you must have a trump 2020 sign in your yard
MindOfMobius
shaming people for not voting for a lite-republican isn't a winning strategy buddy
bugcooper
neither is voting for a third party
MindOfMobius
if you live in a solid blue or red state, third party votes increase their funding, it isn't about winning.
ArchmageTech
If someone likes trump, they'll vote trump and you are a shithead for thinking otherwise
bugcooper
i know they will, thats the problem. no third party is pulling trump supporters away
squirrelduck
A vote for a third party is a win for the Republicans.
bugcooper
not a win for republicans, a win for trump. some republicans hate trump
huffdogg
all *actual* republicans hate trump.
GhostOfDolomite
This isn't how democracy survives, but if there were even a remote chance to get 3rd party in office, perhaps there would be 3+ in a debate
bugcooper
yup
GhostOfDolomite
I remember Nader. I wish it worked so we could support anyone with a solid platform, but if you think 3rd party doesn't just fuck it up...
GhostOfDolomite
You're not picking a wife, you're picking a bus. See what one takes you closest to where you want to go and hop on.
Banjotron
I mean, really the US just needs ranked choice voting
SisyphusLivinLife
Well then you should be excited to hear that on multiple occasions in the USA during the primaries that Democratic run elections used this.
bugcooper
maybe, but that will not help in this election
Banjotron
Very true, which is why I'm voting biden. But I like to hope we can avoid these shit storms in the future.
bugcooper
same
dmendez199
Voting for Jo Jorgensen would not be a bad idea
bugcooper
any other time i would agree. no way a third party candidate beats trump
ThatBasterd
Jo Jorgensen is an objectively terrible candidate.
Papabehhr
By ever measure
SisyphusLivinLife
It would have the same result as voting for Donald Duck. Your choice to make a symbolic useless vote.
SisyphusLivinLife
There never has been a 3 man race to the presidency within the USA in any election ever, its one of two.
terriblethunderlizards
Id like you to fuck right off if you think you're going to tell me how to vote.
bugcooper
so you want trump then. fair enough
AskBobLoblaw
Nobody told you who to vote for. Jesus. You overreacted like a teemaged girl.
ixL247
SisyphusLivinLife
Hey man you have all the right in the world to make a symbolic vote that will have no effect. Shit you can write in Donald Duck.
SisyphusLivinLife
Just be aware by doing so you're declaring you're fine with Biden or Trump. You don't care which one wins.
ArchmageTech
That is the most rediculous think ever "vote for this candidate, otherwise you support this." Uts horrible people actually think this 1/2
SisyphusLivinLife
This isn't ridiculous this is logical and the truth. You have a duty to vote and in a FPTP system its 1 of the 2, end story.
SisyphusLivinLife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_performances_in_United_States_presidential_elections
ArchmageTech
Its such a defeatist attitude that ita annoying. So fuck off with seeing the world in black and white 2/2
bugcooper
Its real. you vote for your third party and then shut your fucking mouth for the next 4 years then.
SisyphusLivinLife
Its not black and white, its mathematics and the laws of reality.
SisyphusLivinLife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_performances_in_United_States_presidential_elections
HogWashDiddler
I agree. The chances of a 3rd party winning are virtually 0, espically this election with country so polarized. It will be trump or biden...
SisyphusLivinLife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third-party_performances_in_United_States_presidential_elections Evidence for your statement.
HogWashDiddler
Which one, is up to the vote.
SisyphusLivinLife
Its not just this election, its every election in the history of our democracy. In a FPTP system the GE is between 2 candidates, end story.
HogWashDiddler
I agree, i hate the 2 party system, but thats not going to change this election, the public is 2 divided based on the ideologies of those...
HogWashDiddler
2 parties. At this point, with the current state of things you either pick biden, trump, or you essientially say you are accepting of both..
HogWashDiddler
And have no prefrence. Bringing down the 2 party system will take time, time that this election doesnt have.
HappyLittleIdiot
You need a two stage voting like Finland has. First round, if no candidate gets > 50% of total votes, there is a new election between the ½
HappyLittleIdiot
two most popular candidates.
HappyLittleIdiot
This would allow voting third party candidates, since especially now with how divided you are, no 1 candidate is getting more than 50%.