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Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/verizon-throttled-firefighters-unlimited-data-during-california-fires-lawsuit/
Feb 3, 2020 1:17 AM
theshinobi23
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Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/verizon-throttled-firefighters-unlimited-data-during-california-fires-lawsuit/
vinnycthatwhoibe
I mean, unlimited != Full speed unfortunately.
RandAIFlagg
"Oh man, what a shame. What a horrible company." *pays Verizon bill* - Most of you with Verizon
Vergenbuurg
The moment I saw that ad with the fire truck, I started getting really, REALLY angry. How DARE they reference firefighters in their ads.
McBaconWrapped
This needs more coverage, big companies fuck on the little people waaaay to often. And to do this to responders to this!? Fucked
Maldraek
Pepperidge Farms remembers...
Iamyourcaptainnow
Corporatism at it's finest
DwedPiwateWoberts
Yeah, as if that doesn’t anything but serve to remind us
headabroccoli
Ah, another reason to drop Verizon.
MaxxStrike
It's true. I was there providing comms. We had to switch to ATT
HCBailly
If there's a wildfire, wouldn't that also severely damage Verizon's network? I'd think they would want them to save their infrastructure.
kojenk
This has happened during wildfires too. companies did it on purpose knowing they would be desperate to save lives
NudistGhost
Net neutrality at its finest. I knew it was coming once Ajit Pai reversed the decision HE made, and got rid of the one thing to keepit cheap
theyar
Your facts are so screwed up on this.
Rhacodactylus
And this is what you get with de facto monopolies that are allowed because of a lack of consumer protections and sane regulations.
HCBailly
And the government giving them said monopolies to build their networks, then wondering why they start abusing it.
Rhacodactylus
Rando question, but are you the same HCBailly as the LPer on youtube?
HCBailly
Yes. Would anyone really want to pretend to be me?
Rhacodactylus
Lol, I dunno. Sometimes people have similar names. Anyway, I just wanna say I'm a big fan of your work and that your videos are very...
Rhacodactylus
...entertaining. Thanks! I've played a lot of gems I missed as a kid because of LPers like you.
inugod
Fuck Ajit Pai!!
bloodydingo
Late stage capitalism'll do that. Just wait till you're subscribing for constitutional rights.
Spongebob1914
The question is raised......What did firefighters do before Verizon was even around. I could only imagine the CDC dang Verizon
OohDaLolly
I'm just saying, it'd be really ironic if their corporate HQ burned to the ground...
Munchman347
Verizon cut off their communications during an emergency and it's 'just business'. You willfully block their fire access and it's a crime...
Steelwind
There is no such thing as an unlimited plan any more. The fact they continued to have service fits the unlimited definition sadly.
blarglebrle
ATT has a special first responders only plan with priority on the network as a response to Verizon's unethical stunt. It's called FirstNet.
ATerribleArtist
Yep. I made a post about this but as a former at&t tech, they have the contract to provide emergency services, not Verizon.
Feralkyn
This is a good idea!
blarglebrle
https://www.firstnet.com/power-of-firstnet/get-started.html
rubypilgrim
Can we send them the fire for their headquarters and let the firefighters stay home?
Iamyourcaptainnow
Just throttle the water output
Gayforbae
I mean thats called arson, but sure.
sammag05
That's not our sons name.
Grimrir
Butsure is a fine name. What's wrong with that?
Compound515
Unfortunately your firefighting plan has run out. But we can offer you a new one for an insane amount of money.
BarryInTheStreetsOliverInTheSheets
No. The firefighters respond to the call line they always would, but at 1/200 percent efficiency
isaidsomethingcool
Just Gary, w a garden hose
TheDalmuti
"You have to actually pay taxes for us to put out your fire"
Racavis
Came back to upvote
MobiusOneOneEight
Underrated comment
InspiredForestRaptor
Is this all over twitter and Facebook and Reddit? This feels like it should be trending.
theyar
This has trended several times but the truth was always more two-sided.
Wulfborn
It was a big thing when it happened. This story is a year and a half old . Verizon tried claiming it shouldn't have happened.
ohthatsgood
This is what happens when you vote out net neutrality
VexingRaven
Net Neutrality has nothing to do with this.
ohthatsgood
Uh yeah it does
VexingRaven
No, it doesn't. Net neutrality doesn't force me to give people a certain speed, just that I must treat all of their traffic equally.
ohthatsgood
VexingRaven
But they aren't messing with the traffic at all. They're messing with the connection as a whole, which is legal regardless.
Feralkyn
It's cell phone service, not broadband wired internet. It's usually overloaded in large emergencies, and gets auto-throttled. But supposedly
Feralkyn
now AT&T has a first responders' plan that gives them priority, which is good.
AImaginationBaroness
Remember when we didn't actually need net neutrality because these companies would NEVER actually abuse us? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
AncientSeraph
This has nothing to do with net neutrality.
AImaginationBaroness
Bowden's account is part of a lawsuit filed by 22 states that are seeking to overturn the government's decision to revoke net neutrality.
AImaginationBaroness
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/02/real-net-neutrality-more-ban-blocking-throttling-and-paid-prioritization
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
Is that the one where they bought the cheaper data plan that throttles after you hit the soft cap?
theyar
Yes.
consentpinky
Yes. And people hate verizon for doing the same as any of their competition would have. The government needs to provide the service period.
somepersondoingsomethings
Government running the system runs the risk of them dictating the speeds you think you need in order to cut gov spending. Same problem.
consentpinky
Well then what do we have for options? If it’s not private or government controlled how do we prevent this problem?
AncientSeraph
More rules to protect startups and competitors. Monopolies are the problem.
consentpinky
Well then we should probably vote for someone who isn’t in their pockets... senate, house and president alike.
recliningpanda
Man they should be giving these guys super internet speeds for free. The people with the brass balls to do their job should be supported
Mozzy4Ever
Nah, the Firefighter's IT guy should do his shit right the first time. Yea, Verizon's 1st tier of IT messed up too, but IT guy bought the1/2
Mozzy4Ever
wrong data plan.
FlameBeard86
Alternatively, just outlaw bandwidth throttling and stack heavy fines on each individual count
achtungtimmy
You should be burning down Verizon!
sieg443130
FUCK VERIZON
ElectromagneticCat
As a foreigner it is very weird see these kinds of things happen in the first place cuz we have laws that make sure companies can't do this
Neonbaron
Honestly internet shouldn't be so privatized since it is a necessity for modern life
FirstThingThatCameToMind
yeah, but having our taxes pay for anything other than senatorial vacations is communism.
Blud4BludGod
Not to mention that Verizon couldn't exist without the usage of a whole shit ton of government built infrastructure.
ohthatsgood
or the firefighters should throttle their reaction speed when a Verizon store is on fire lol
weedomi37
I thought that would have been a default for emergency service.
Sarcasticbombastic
I've only known one family of firefighters (father/son) and they were douchebags... Heroic in the face of danger! But douchebags.
Shamzaa
Australia's biggest Telco Telstra wrote off volunteer firefighters' phone bills during the fires. https://exchange.telstra.com.au/free-calls
Jandegrote
But but muh moneys!
wheresmybanana
Seriously. They should be given their own separate systems entirely
spittleteets
Come over here me boyyyy, and let me introduce you to privatization and ajit pai being an ass puppet for telecom corps.
DumbDawg
That system is called FirstNet, AT&T won the contract and it's so utterly useless and filled with hidden fees it's no better than the rest.
Broadway2
Yep $45/month plus normal taxes is a whole lot of fees...
recliningpanda
There shouldn’t be any bloody fees. Emergency responders need all the help we can give. They got a tough job see some bad shit and yet do it
Murmull
your country is not run by the people for the people anymore. its by the corporation's for the corporation's with orange head as puppet
heartlesskitten
Trust me, it's not a new thing.
loonuhtick
Honestly, I cant wait until firstnet takes off, built by at&t for the government to have their own private network
jevans88
My husband is on a first net plan... I don’t know if you’re talking about something bigger. Like this is the first step?
loonuhtick
Well, he is on it, and that's the plan itself, but entire agencies will be on the network and that is the long term plan.
jevans88
Oooooh. Cool.
Broadway2
It’s been launched for over a year now...
loonuhtick
It launching and taking off are two different things. Most states required additional buildout of the network in agreement to opt in 1/2
loonuhtick
And most municipalities want to wait to see what the network will look like come a finished buildout. So its out there but not taken off 2/2
DeviatedPrevert
fuck verizon, fuck comcast, fuck time-warner ... they should all be converted into public utilities
AquariumLife
Yes because we all want shitty service.
OSxPrincess
Preach on!
Iamnotacreativeman
Do you remember Ajit Pai that dropped all that? Yeah, blame that fucker
PimpinKen
Shouldn't we blame the person that appointed him? Yes he was put on the FCC by Obama, but trump made him chairman.
Wisperer
Ah but only cuz the fcc has to have a balance of parties on it
Caldersson
Wasn't this something Google Fiber said they would do, but Ajit fucked all that up.
dogsshouldruletheworld
newsguycraigevans
Then you'll want to stop voting Republican for sure
GreedyWildcard
At least Verizon (if I remember right) supported net neutrality. AT&T lobbied strongly against it.
TheLordOfGiraffes
Nope Verizon made videos against it and Ajit Pai was even previously employed by Verizon. They both suck
GreedyWildcard
Well shit! Maybe it was T-Mobile I was thinking of that supported Net Neutrality.
TheLordOfGiraffes
T-mobile or sprint would make sense
AcidicVanLividLove
If ur that passionate, vote for Bernie.
blueipDriver
While we're at it, also fuck Nestle, Fuck EA, Fuck GM, You're cool , and Fuck Big Pharma. I'm out!
algavinn
Does it even matter when the government is a company? You're damn right though.
AmbroseGudmaker
Fuck ISPs! Fuck ISPs and the TelCos too...
storebrandproductmascot
But that would be inefficient! We need a system that's slightly more efficient, but all the benefits of it go into billionaires' pockets!
FourLegsGood
Efficiency is a capitalist trope. Maybe think about what you actually need. Efficiency is the last thing you should worry about.
mrmayortheiv
Not to mention "efficiency" is usually achieved in the corporate world by cutting corners, discretizing/hiding costs, and cheating people.
venom1012
They should be utilities along with ISPs. Change my mind.
DeviatedPrevert
why would I change your mind? you literally just repeated what i said
venom1012
I was curious to see the arguments opposing this notion. I think since the internet became the forefront of our communication its important.
TieKneeWeKnee
What utilities do you have that you are happy with their price and service?
Himser
Water, power, garbage, septic... you know... all the municipal ones.. the ones im not happy with are internet and gas... the private ones..
Mikesabeast
One winter it was too cold to check electric meters so they just charged everyone double..def want more govt and less competition
ickypink
Then the government can dictate what you are allowed to do while online
LordSatanHimself
Like private companies couldn't do that and haven't been doing that already.
venom1012
Thats not what that means at all funny enough. Generally it means theyre required to provide reliable services.(see water & power)
urustai
Too bad the likes of PG&E & Edison lobbied so that they don't have to really do that.
TheRealAlpharius
BuT tHaT's SoCiAlIsM
FourLegsGood
Not really. It's only socialism if it's *owned* publicly. Being managed by the government on behalf of the public doesn't cross that line.
Zuir
That's XIX century socialism, contemporary socialism just requires regulation of and/or intervention in private companies
FourLegsGood
No. You don't know what you're talking about.
TheRealAlpharius
The font indicates sarcasm.
Gayforbae
And?
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FourLegsGood
You don't understand economics. You're a useful idiot. Your comment is ironic. Get your shit together.
3crowsBeast
The mixed caps signal sarcasm
FourLegsGood
Mockery*
Gayforbae
In aware