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1. Rosetta Stone
In 1798, Napoleon invaded Egypt. He brought with him a scientific team of scholars and draftsmen to survey the monuments of the land. The most important find of the expedition was the Rosetta Stone. It proved to be valuable as the key to deciphering ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.
The stone dated to the period of Ptolemy V (204–180 BC) and was inscribed in three scripts: demotic, Greek, and hieroglyphic. The Greek, well known to scholars at the time, proved to be a translation of the ancient Egyptian language on the stone. Translation of hieroglyphics marked the beginning of the study of ancient Egyptian texts and grammar and provided the basis for modern Egyptology studies.
2. Dead Sea Scrolls
In 1947, shepherds stumbled upon a cave in a rugged, arid area on the western side of the Dead Sea. What they discovered was soon proclaimed the greatest archaeological find of the twentieth century. Over the next few years, other, similar remote caves in the area were found. What did these caves contain? Over 800 fragmentary documents, mainly consisting of Hebrew writings on leather (with a few on parchment), including fragments of 190 biblical scrolls. Most of these are small, containing no more than one-tenth of a book; however, a complete Isaiah scroll has been found. Almost every OT book is present, and there are also other writings valued by the community that dwelt in those caves. It appears the earliest scrolls date to the mid-third century BC, and most to the first or second centuries BC.
Perhaps the greatest contribution of this find is to our understanding of the transmission of the biblical text. It is encouraging to note that the differences are minimal between the OT texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls and various editions of the Hebrew texts produced a thousand years later and used today, involving the smallest textual details. The meaning of the text itself is not affected by these differences.
3. Tel Dan Inscription
In 1993, excavators at Tel Da uncovered an inscription with the word BYTDWD on it. They convincingly argued that the word means “house of David” and dates to the ninth century BC. The inscription had been sealed by a later Assyrian destruction layer firmly dated to 733/722 BC. An ash layer is an archaeologist’s dream. Anything sealed beneath it must be dated earlier, because there is no possibility of intrusion by later artifacts. Pottery directly beneath the destruction level dates to the ninth and eighth centuries BC, and from this period the so-called House of David inscription must have come.
Although some scholars have attempted to explain away the inscription by asserting BYTDWD is either a place-name or a designation for a temple of a deity, it probably refers to the house of lineage of David, the second king of the united monarchy and arguably the most significant ruler in the history of Israel. Additional evidence is the likely appearance of the term BYTDWD on the Mesha Stela/Moabite Stone, also dating to the ninth century BC.
4. Ketef Hinnom Scrolls
In 1979, Israeli archaeologist Gabriel Barkay was excavating a burial cave at Ketef Hinnom, just southwest of Jerusalem. The tomb was a typical Late Iron Age (c. late 7th century BC) burial structure. The typical Judean burial at this time took place in a rock-cut cave. When a person died, he was placed on a burial bench in the tomb along with personal items such as vases, jewelry, or trinkets. Once the body decayed, the bones of the person were placed in a box beneath the burial bench. When the team began to excavate the box, they came upon two small silver scrolls. Since the scrolls were metal, the archaeologists had a difficult time unrolling and deciphering their text. They began with the larger of the two scrolls, which took three years to unroll. When unrolled, it measured only three inches (7.6 centimeters) long. When they finished, they noticed the scroll was covered with very delicately etched characters. The first word they were able to decipher was the name “Yahweh.” After much work, they were able to read the entire scroll. It contained the priestly benediction from Numbers 6. The smaller scroll also contained the benediction from Numbers 6. It took so long to unroll and decipher the scrolls that the material was not published until 1989.
These two scrolls are relatively unknown, but they can be seen today in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. They are the earliest known citations of biblical texts in Hebrew. They predate the earliest Dead Sea Scrolls by more than four hundred years and are thus helpful in matters of textual criticism. Many authors have argued that the priestly benediction was written after the exile, with its earliest date from the fourth century BC. Now we have physical examples of the benediction from the late seventh century BC. In addition, the discovery of two plaques with the same benediction in a buried site underscores the centrality of the priestly benediction to the religion of the Israelites.
5. Moabite Stone
In 1868, a missionary in Jerusalem found a stone tablet for sale that appeared to be from ancient times. The sellers broke the tablet into a number of pieces to sell them one at a time to make more money. Fortunately, a copy of the tablet was made prior to the break (this copy is in the Louvre today). On the tablet is a text written in Moabite dating to the ninth century BC. It was perhaps a victory stone erected by King Mesha to commemorate his military achievements. The text begins, “I am Mesha son of Chemosh, king of Moab.”
Prominent in the text is the king’s version of a war fought with Israel in 850 BC, in which Moab revolted against King Jehoram of the northern kingdom of Israel soon after the death of Ahab. Of particular interest is that the Bible records the same incident in 2 Kings 3. The two accounts differ in perspective. Mesha emphasizes his victories over Israel in capturing cities under Israelite control. The biblical writer, to the contrary, highlights Israel’s successful counter attacks against the Moabites.
6. Lachish Letters
In the 1930s, J. L. Starkey excavated the site of Lachish. He discovered a layer of debris heavily destroyed and burned with fire at the hands of the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 589/588 BC. Starkey unearthed eighteen ostraca in the burnt debris of a guardroom between the inner and outer gates of the city. An ostracon is an inscription written in ink on pottery sherds. Most of the ostraca were correspondence, although a few were lists of names. The contents of the ostraca were fragmentary, and only a third of them are sufficiently preserved to be intelligible. The date of the ostraca is generally immediately prior to the destruction of Lachish by the Babylonians.
A number of the letters are written by a man named Hoshaiah to a military commander named Yaosh. The common interpretation is that Hoshaiah was the commander of a fortress outside Lachish writing to Yaosh, the commander of Lachish. Other commentators believe Hoshaiah was the military chief of Lachish and Yaosh a high official in Jerusalem. One of the letters closes with the statement, “Let [my lord] know that we are watching for the signals of Lachish, according to all the indications which my lord hath given, for we cannot see Azekah.” Hoshaiah was referring to signal fires from one Judean city to another, and the context appears to be the Babylonian assault soon to come.
7. Epic of Gilgamesh
In 1872, George Smith announced he had discovered an Assyrian account of a flood among tablets stored in the British Museum from excavations of mid-seventh-century-BC Nineveh. Called the Epic of Gilgamesh, the story comprises twelve tablets, with one tablet containing a tale of a great deluge. The hero of the flood, a man named Utnapishtim, relates an episode to Gilgamesh. He explains how the god Ea warned him about an approaching judgment and told him to build a boat to save his life from the watery onslaught. As the tale unfolds, the epic in some respects is nearly identical to the biblical narrative of Noah in Genesis 6–9. This discovery created quite a stir among biblical scholars of the nineteenth century, and even today scholars continue to puzzle over and debate the obvious parallels between the two.
8. Hezekiah’s Tunnel
The most dependable water source for the city of Jerusalem during the Israelite settlement was the Gihon Spring. However, its location outside the city walls was problematic. During an attack or siege, the inhabitants were cut off from their vital water source. In 1867, explorer Charles Warren discovered a vertical shaft cut through bedrock allowing the people of Jerusalem to reach the waters of the Gihon Spring from behind the city walls. This shaft was probably built originally by the Jebusites and may be how David’s soldiers captured the city from them (2 Sam. 5:6–8). A new water system employing part of the earlier one was built by Hezekiah near the end of the eighth century BC due to an Assyrian military threat. Hezekiah’s tunnel sloped gently away from the Gihon Spring to allow water to flow from it to the Pool of Siloam inside the city walls.
Hezekiah’s tunnel was cut by two teams digging toward each other from opposite ends. It was not chiseled in a straight line but was serpentine due to frequent shifts in terrain. The two teams made adjustments as they drew near each other and heard the picks of the other team. An inscription twenty feet (six meters) from the Siloam Pool has been discovered that describes the meeting of the two cutting teams.
9. Crucified Man at Givat Hamivtar
We are well aware of Roman methods of crucifixion of the first century AD—not only from written records, but also from the remains of a crucified man discovered at Givat Hamivtar, a site just outside Jerusalem. The cross consisted of two parts: the upright bar, called the stipes crucis, and the horizontal bar, called the patibulum. The crucified man was placed with his back over the stipes crucis, and his hands were nailed to the patibulum. According to archaeologists, the nails must have been driven through the wrist because the palms could not have supported the man’s weight.
He was affixed to the cross also by his feet, in a way different from what is commonly thought. The Roman executioner made a crude, rectangular frame of wood in which the heels of the victim were pressed. Then an iron nail was driven through the right part of the frame, through the man’s calcanei—the largest tarsal bones in the foot—and then through the left part of the frame. The free end of the nail was then bent by hammer blows. This find gives archaeologists further insight into Roman crucifixions.
10. Ugaritic Texts
A great majority of Canaanite texts come from the site of Ugarit (modern-day Ras Shamra), on
the northern coast of Syria along the Mediterranean Sea. Ugarit was a prominent Canaanite city-state of the second millennium BC. Major excavations have taken place at the site since 1929. A most important find at Ugarit are hundreds of texts discovered in the palace and temple areas. More than 1,500 of those tablets have been published. Ugarit reached its height in the fifteenth to thirteenth centuries BC, the period in which written literature at the site flourished.
The city met its final fate at the hands of Mediterranean enemies, who destroyed the site around 1200 BC. The importance of the Ugaritic texts is the material they provide concerning Canaanite religion. Their mythic texts help us understand the religious context of the OT, including many parallels between Canaanite and Israelite religious practices. In addition, the languages of Ugaritic and Hebrew are quite similar, and thus Ugaritic provides insight into the development and grammar of Hebrew.
Sauce- https://www.crossway.org/articles/10-crucial-archaeological-discoveries-related-to-the-bible/
Sexualsquid
wademcgillis
"Anything sealed beneath it must be dated earlier" Okay, what if we applied that logic to bones? "Satan put them there to test us."
Neomechavoltron
Thank you
butiwasgoingintotoschestationtopickupsomepowerconverters
*To the Torah.
LeWqtEstUnAnimalAquatiqueNocturne
I think the crucified man is only related to the NT and Esther LXX.
darthbuttersticks
Some seriously salty posts in the comments section here. OP is just sharing something they like, jeez.
booooooort
Yeah, but he makes several misleading and downright inaccurate statements.
moxiefoxxy
Like what?
Melonfish
Yes but did any of these artefacts actually tell us why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
cccampbell79
Or why Trix are only for kids for that matter.
StevieMcSteveface
Not religious but I love religious history so these are really fascinating. Thank you.
karlbadmanners
Take the time to research the Dead Sea Scrolls then. The OP is wrong about them
StevieMcSteveface
Oh really? How so? Could you give me a cliff notes explanation?
NotWrongJustNotRight
Love history! +1
DorianBlack
The artificats being found are history. Some of descriptors are close to speculation not objective fact. IE: House of David
PotassiumRegulatoryCommittee
Jesus has yet to be found. If you or someone you know has sighted Jesus recently, please contact your local police or church.
mormacil
The Romans resurrected him and got turned into zombies for their troubles.
justthebearnecessities
the hezekiah tunnel is pretty windy going - if its true it was dug from different directions thats pretty neat, given the lack of tech.
EmanNiemThcin
#7 The Gilgamesh Epic is far older than Genesis, the most wide spread explanation is the authors of the later were 'inspired' by it.
HoboStabWound
For what it's worth, the book of Job may be older than Genesis.
moxiefoxxy
Yes job is the oldest book in the Bible but Gilgamesh came waaay before the flood story in the Bible
EmanNiemThcin
Kind of like the four Evangelists copied passages from their respective predecessors.
karlbadmanners
And like how Christ is at least in memory an obvious amalgamation of several other start up religions from the area/time
W92Baj
Most, if not all Christian stories are taken from earlier religions
FallingScar
These sort of things are why i became an archaeologist, just awesome
Odballl
Your life is in ruins.
RumbleNtheJungle
FallingScar
Got to watch out for bad dates
hobobobo
If I wasn't so bad at math I would be an archaeologist. I got laughed out of my first tutorial and changed my major. Still sad about it.
FallingScar
I dont use math, never have, im terrible at maths too
hobobobo
My fear is real. I got given a math quiz of 20 questions at a 7/11 by some creeper manager.
FallingScar
Ouch, i have a list of formule im supposed to know, but i just use my phone on the odd occation i have to use maths
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
Be afraid of the dark
lmAFake
plsreadHayeksUseofKnowledgeinSociety
buddy christ :)
EpicEpke
#1 has nothing to do with the Bible or Torah and the Epic of Gilgamesh predates both and the ancient Hebrews just copied the story.
Akillesursinne
Just remember, none of this makes the ark real, the earth 6000 years old, the exodus narrative being correct..
trulybear666
That's IF the Earth is 6000 yo
mormacil
It can't be according to science, hell we've human artifacts older then that.
Akillesursinne
It's not. Only children and people who refuse to listen to reason would believe it was only 6000 years old.
fatherofpenguinmafia
This is a nice read
Synthektoid
1.) The source, crossway.org also contains religious tracts and other forms of religious apologetics which leads me to question the varacity
Synthektoid
2.) of the claims made here. It's usually bad practice to accept a source that clearly has an agenda.
Synthektoid
3.) only one source on such a hotly debated subject is bad form also.
Synthektoid
4.) Personal opinion; it makes the post appear hastily researched and biased. (probably not the intention, however)
enoch2paradise
So if you doubt the source, verify for yourself. As for me, I can say that these are accurate b/c this was my area of study in grad school.
Synthektoid
Uh.. That was what my post was about. As well as a precautionary plea to others to do so. If this one source is correct on all accounts
NotACanadian
That bone from the crucified dude makes my arms ache.
warick
orbitn
that was his ankle.
chromofoam
Yeah - big heel bone. Imagine having a nail hammered through that. Ouch.
NotACanadian
Good news, arms don't ache anymore.
youreathing
Darmok and Jalad, at Tenagra.
karlbadmanners
WHAT? The Dead Sea Scrolls contain WHOLE books absent from The King James Bible
juansaltysnail
Wasn't it discovered that some were fakeries?
mksu
Fakes are inevitable with such things. As far as I know, none of the "legitimate" pieces have later been shown to be fake though.
Solkanarmy
reading things like this makes me really regret the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, who knows what we would know if it'd survived?
torokunai
nothing of value for the 21st century; history is kinda overrated and outright harmful if you just want to live in the past
Dagordae
Not much. By the time of the final destruction it was a shell of what it's reputation made it out to be. Centuries of neglect and defunding
Dagordae
had turned it from THE library in the world to an embarrassment, useful only as a propaganda piece when it burst into flames. Again.
FullSpeedAhead
I read somewhere before destruction the contents were transported to the vatican library.
Odballl
Who knows how many overdue books are still out there never to be returned. :(
clawthewolf
Fun fact: The Library literally hired thugs that would steal books and make poor copies that they then gave back to their owners
ClassyFreddyGlassy
Only the penitent man shall pass.
Bruhbeans
These are magnificent archeological findings themselves. They're not related to the Bible or whatever, but the Bible may have borrowed
SlyMrFox
You're saying the dead sea scrolls and the Moabite stone have nothing to do with Biblical accounts?
Bruhbeans
No, im saying they aren't related to the Bible, the Bible is related to them. Almost everything in that book is borrowed.
Bruhbeans
They don't support the Bible in anyway
Bruhbeans
From them
nakedible
Wonderful scientific exploration of folklore! Keep it up!
hip2bsquare
This was unnecessary.
JustTawnee
#5 makes it seem like The Bible is ONE version of history, and many other peoples of the time would write entirely different books. Maybe.
justthebearnecessities
thats fair to say of most history though. its not so much history is written by the winners, but the losers arent around to counter-argue.
justthebearnecessities
and there were far less impartial observers in pre-modern times, due to a whole heap of reasons, so there was no "peer review" so to speak
Jattetont
That is *exactly* what "history is written by the victors" means.
justthebearnecessities
i think it's more accurate to say history was written by who is still around. history is no longer solely written by the victors now
Jattetont
It was never entirely true in general, but that's aphorisms for you. A proclivity for writing things down and having it preserved >
Jattetont
> has certainly tended to ensure that history remembers your version of events. (If Plato hadn't written his Socratic dialogues, Socrates >
mikeatike
#9 the fact that Romans actually crucified people does not in any way prove the biblical accounts are accurate, lol
karlbadmanners
Especially since they used X shaped crosses never "t" ones, but what the fuck does that have to do with anything in this post
NotACanadian
Literally nobody was trying to say that, edgelord.
orbitn
Hey we still do it today! Although not to kill people. Out in the phillipines, I believe, there are people who do it on good friday.
Punderstandable
The post said nothing about proof. It said 'relating to'.
markonemick1
Implying then.
Punderstandable
Interpretation is the responsibility of the reader, not the writer.
LurkerOfDarkness
And how do the rosetta stone fit into that, it's just a text in 3 languages. A royal decree from 196 BCE.
Haveyouseenchef
It allowed us to read hieroglyphs and to compare Egyptian accounts to ones written in other languages from the same period.
LurkerOfDarkness
Which all contradict the bible.
mikeatike
And we found that the ancient Egyptians never heard of the plagues. One would think they would write something like that down.
Haveyouseenchef
Meaning it helps to disprove the bible with Egyptians writings from the same period. I'd say that's a pretty important relation.
DancingPanther
Not religious, but still upvoting for cool old shit from millennia ago.
CitrusLimon
I'm not religious either, I just love reading about history and culture (which religion is a big part of).
SavageTacoSupremeOverlord
Same. I am far from religious but got to see the Dead Sea scrolls exhibit and it was exciting to see something that old in front of me.
Drunk3nm0nkey
Durango
You don't have to be religious to appreciate fascinating shit. Also, I don't see why tf the Rosetta stone could be linked to Religion
ColoneISanders
As others have mentioned, the Rosetta Stone was essential for deciphering ancient texts, of which many books of the bible were written in.
warick
My guess is because significant parts of the Bible occurred inside of Egypt. Being able to read Egyptian texts may corroborate or give
warick
2 context to events that are also recorded in the Bible.
Durango
Okay but that's quite a stretch. By that logic, anyone studying latin is studying shit related to bible because some census 1/2
Durango
in Roman Judea were written in Latin and that could corroborate dates of event mentionned in the Bible.
warick
You'll have to take it up with OP and what his justification is. But I would say there's a difference in that Latin is known to us as a
warick
3 any Latin texts they come upon. At the time, Egyptian heiroglyphs were as closed off to us as DNA was closed to us 100 years ago.
warick
2 society. Even though most of us don't learn it anymore, any person in the West with sufficient motivation can learn it, and translate
SqueakyCleanButthole
Neutral question: what is the between the Rosetta stone and the Bible supposed to be?
SqueakyCleanButthole
*connection between
sproutimusad
Th Rosetta stone just helped translate stuff from ancient languages to ones still known
titaniumsnail
Absolutely nothing. The OP is reaching.
ThisNeedsMoreBoobs
Bingo
sproutimusad
I don't think they're trying to claim the Rosetta stone is biblical, just included because it allowed translation of other old writing
MyBedroomIsSiberia
Honestly OP solidified that the bible is a mixture of historical events and stories stolen from other, older regligions.
StarrryNight
"The bible is relevaaaaaannnnttt!"
karlbadmanners
There is none, in fact the only relation to the Bible is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and even there OP is wrong about their content
pc404
Fuck u OP
followerer
The description here is accurate. Maybe there is even more evidence to be found in the scrolls. History. That’s all. There’s no debate here.
sumowoman
I was reading these and thinking the same. Alternative facts at play here.
DPearly1
All of these historical finds in some way (directly or indirectly) validate or, in this case, grant insight to parallel historical culture.
KYWarmingJelly
"Validate culture" uhhhh... I guess
ignatiogran
Pretty sure #2 is inaccurate...
MisterBrent
But wait! There's more...
BriefausdemGeist
Also, what does the Rosetta Stone have to do with this he bible?
WeaponizedJerk
Absolutely nothing, OP is making up bullshit.
ThePastmaster
I am wondering this as well. The Rosetta Stone is/was a declaration that the shop keeper had paid his tax.
karlbadmanners
Crazy inaccurate. The Dead Sea Scrolls contain entire gospels missing from the modern Bible and should shake any man's faith to the core
pollofritoforpresident
Can you give me a brief example of what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
MeSoErnie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
Jattetont
That doesn't contradict any of the info in the post. Also, talking about "gospels" when discussing Jewish texts is not really accurate >
Jattetont
> and no one ever claimed that the Bible is the complete collection of Jewish religious texts that ever existed.
karlbadmanners
Gospels was a poor choice of words. I didn't claim it was complete either, only that it doesnt all jive with previous material
Jattetont
"Doesn't jive" in what way? The post only claims that the Biblical texts found in the DSS are basically the same as the modern copies >
lmAFake
Which part is inaccurate? The differences? Just curious.
enoch2paradise
It's accurate. I've read the DSS & Isaiah is there, same as today just w/ some variant spellings, showing the faithfulness of transmission.
MeSoErnie
Other than Isaiah, Exodus, and Samuel the other books in the DSS are quite different. Not to mention all the parts that were left out...
enoch2paradise
Yes, a lot of writings (such as the War Scroll) are among the DSS that never were canonical, except, perhaps, to that community.
enoch2paradise
So, among the DSS was this prophecy: "Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel [God with us]."
enoch2paradise
There are also books in the DSS such as Jubilees that are not in the Bible. Early Christians knew of many of these books, such as 1 Enoch.
beoluves
There's parallels with the deluge just like there's parallels with a lot of other mythos. Recurrent themes in religions are a thing.
Salmikki
Ehmahgerd you should email them researchers Im sure theyre dying to know this :D
xenburn
in this case its likely the same tradition from folk memory to various myths preserved in the region
121992811
The fact that they are repeating stories means more than one nation was seeing this occur. There was only a change when Jesus came..
ThisNeedsMoreBoobs
WTF?
121992811
As in it's all true. Jesus came to tell them they are worshiping false idols. And it was the OT that prophesied his coming. Same stories...
orbitn
Isn't there some evidence for one of the seas in the area having a massive breach around the appropriate time pd to originate these stories?
7thlevelLazerLotus
I heard a geologist do his phd on that. It was the black sea and they found evidence of settlements at the bottom.
RagingRomaineLettuce
Link? I’d like to read that sounds interesting
BootsCatsBeeeeeeez
JRR Tolkien uses Ea in his Silmarillion. It meant 'the world' the material universe. Just thought it was interesting.
RagingSeas
Or maybe describing the same event
daguq
There was a worldwide flood at the end of the last ice age. Coastal settlements were sunk. It's a common historical experience.
beoluves
Indeed. It spawned a lot of similar myths all over.
DirtRagFartStain
Just watched The Cave of Forgotten Dreams, people were painting the story of a woman mating with a bull 20,000 years ago (Crete, King Minos'
IndigoLizard
. [watch 'The Cave of Forgotten Dreams'- Herzog documentary on ancient cave paintings uncovered]
DirtRagFartStain
wife mating with a bull that produced the Minotaur in Cretian mythology. Cretian civilzation starting around 2,700 BCE, so 4,7000 years ago)
DirtRagFartStain
in those caves in France. While passing around those fertility sculptures that spread like wildfire around Europe. Wild to think about
DirtRagFartStain
if there's any validity to it (they think there is).
DirtRagFartStain
https://www.donsmaps.com/images12/bullvulva2.jpg
DirtRagFartStain
(should have said "a blending of the images of a woman and a bull bison" but that was the message)
mormacil
Fun fact, Prometheus didn't originate in Greece. There is a story ~2000 years older from the Caucasus, sharing ancestry for sure.
DirtRagFartStain
I'm showing this stuff to friends again - but I'm not aware of a stone-age Prometheus story - I'd appreciate a source for that so I don't
DirtRagFartStain
sound like an idiot sharing something I haven't checked against other stuff. Thanks in advance.
mormacil
I must admit I can't easily reproduce an online source with the exact age difference.
beoluves
They just copied or appropriated a bunch of stuff.
IllusivePanda
Yeah it's not like religions have ever done that before *glares at Greek and Roman mythologies*
thatmangodude
To be fair, Romans stole lots of stuff from other cultures
mormacil
*cough* Ethruscans *cough*
Sauroctonus
Example: there's a ruin of a shrine to a Persian god in Northumberland. Why? Romans.
mormacil
There Mithras churches in Germany of all places.
Strongharbour432
But what have the Romans ever done for us?
AstroFizX
This is easy to say but difficult to prove. Information couldn’t move then the way it does now.
AstroFizX
I think I said something opposite to what I wanted; the story of Gilgamesh/Noah/Khidr is so common to so many of the worlds lineages (1)
AstroFizX
of course it traveled down timelines on word of mouth and then as written as writing in invented. And of course cultures learned it from (2)
AstroFizX
their ancestors passing it down. And also, as the religious folks believe, through divine contact refreshing the knowledge of what came (3)
booooooort
Information didn't travel instantly but The Epic of Gilgamesh is about 1000 years older than the Noah myth with a lot of identical elements
Jattetont
And funnily enough, just before they put together the Bible, much of the Jewish priesthood spent some 50 years in forced exile in Babylon...
AstroFizX
Yes, I personally believe Gilgamesh story is Noah’s. And I think currently accepted Noah dates are incorrect from that point of view.
booooooort
Also Gilgamesh's story is based on an older Akkadian myth with borrowed from an even OLDER Sumerian myth all with many similar elements.
GotDamnLochnessMonster
The answer is in the eye of the Sahara.
skydivingbigfoot
Possibly. There is evidence that a lot of flooding from glacial melt occurred in different parts of the world while coming out of the 1/2
Jattetont
Rather than believe in some prehistoric memory transmitted by oral tradition for at least 5000 years, I think it's more reasonable >
Jattetont
> to think the flood stories found in various places were inspired by regular experiences of smaller floods.
skydivingbigfoot
last ice age. The problem is that no definite time is provided in any religious text and we have no way of telling what was borrowed and 2/3
skydivingbigfoot
what was witnessed. Also, any evidence of a flooding event is immediately associated with the biblical flood by many so it's hard to 3/4
skydivingbigfoot
keep stories straight. Forged artifacts really, really hinder archaeologists also. 4/4
CardioVascular
Or the deluge happened and there are multiple stories. Many cultures have a story of a great flood and only a few people on a boat making it
LurkerOfDarkness
Almost like floods are a pretty regular occurrance in areas that are fertile and humans wants to live amd grow crops.
booooooort
The world definitely didn't flood. The region flooded and the Noah myth is one of several rehashes of older myths from the area.
PW28
They are thinking that flood was caused by The Greenland Meteor Strike recently discovered some 12K years ago...emphasis on think.
ThisNeedsMoreBoobs
"They" is no one academically respectable.
PW28
Just posted one of many articles...
vowofloudness
Who's they?
LurkerOfDarkness
"Them"
FuzzyAdventurer
Geologists such as Randall Carlson, authors such as Graham Hancock - plenty of respectable people.
vowofloudness
Any peer reviewed academic work or just guys you heard on Joe Rogan's podcast?
PW28
http://theconversation.com/huge-crater-discovered-in-greenland-heres-how-the-impact-may-have-wiped-out-the-mammoths-107122
vowofloudness
I don't see anything about a flood in that article. It mentions the Younger Dryas glaciation period, is that what you're referring to?
GotDamnLochnessMonster
Those guys
PW28
The ones over there >