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torp123
It's funny. When it was new my friends kept telling me to watch it, but I never got around to it. Kinda glad I didn't
TeDmund
Such a study will read like a historical event "while many point to the final season, many signs of the decay were present years earlier.."
lookingOknaked
Lindsay Ellis did an excellent analysis of why it sucked so much. https://youtu.be/BGr0NRx3TKU
sparklepoofs
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Shineupordown
Yeah ending leaves bitter memories ,so much that you cant even rewatch it and enjoy good original seasons
acertainjenesaisquoi
And it was such a cash cow too. The conventions, cosplayers, spin offs, film set tours... it would have kept them all going for decades.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
I mean it's not like the books are odyssean levels of complicated intrigues and history written over decades, right?
BurlRavenscroft
FWIW I never thought it held any cultural importance between seasons outside of excitement for an upcoming season during marketing
BurlRavenscroft
I mean seriously in an era of high end TV and streaming, the void was filled with something else. Experiencing that now with Mando as well.
ArchangelTitus
Except for all the kids called Drogo and Khaleesi lol
uhunuhtrgynu
I really liked the early seasons of Game of Thrones, watched them talked about them. Those last two seasons were sooo bad , they killed it.
SpartanC185
*Cries in James Cameron's Avatar*
gizmonicus
Could we get the people responsible for the final season of GoT to help Trump out?
TheTripleLindy
Damn she’s totally right.
Alittletoomuchsass
So true. I feel like D&D were so geeked by the ending they rushed through everything else amd left us with a piss poor final season.
BallsLikeWatermelonsPeckerLikeAThimble
Once they passed the author it spiraled into a tailspin of shit. I think people were holding on for the end and that was even shittier.
kakivara
They prioritized trying to surprise the audience over everything else, especially maintaining a consistent storyline. It was just dumb.
AliensProbably
That's perhaps unfair. Two reasons. First, we don't know - and probably never will know - how Martin's going to wrap all his dangling 1/
AliensProbably
story arcs. The fact we probably won't means it's a cop-out for him, and for everyone comparing what the writers who had to come up with 2/
AliensProbably
an actual ending - there's simply nothing to compare it to. Second - the books really aren't all that. They're hugely protracted, 3/
AliensProbably
oftentimes many years over-due, meandering plotlines that are clearly filler - there's at least a half a book where Daenerys is just 4/
AliensProbably
wandering around in the desert because Martin had no idea what else to do with that character - he's said as much in interviews.
Skuggen
If they hadn't been in such a rush to end the show and given it more episodes so characters had arcs instead of massive cliff drops...
mardukkur
They dragged the absolute shit out of the show hoping Martin would write a damn book. Finally gave up and just pumped out the final season.
geraltofriva
Friend of mine is fine with how the show ended. I tried to understand him. I still don't.
privatepublic
Ending was fine but for that show it needed more space for the character arc. Horrendous execution.
PballQhead
I'm fine with the ending story-wise, but very much not OK with how halfass slapdash they got there. S7/8 should have been S7/8/9/10/maybe 11
FractalChainsaw
The ending was fine, the presentation was careless.
valdbagina69420
Unpopular opinion: I can live with the ending and I thought it worked. It def could have been better.
deskmouse
I can't talk about it or re-watch it because it makes me mad. Such a waste of 10 years of my life waiting and watching that show.
coffscreek
So true, there was such a cool mythology built up around the three eyed raven and frozen zombies and it was ruined in a single episode.
Taxicat
I don’t think all the blame lies with the show on that, though. I’ve been reading through the books, too, and Martin tosses in >
Taxicat
>so many seemingly random characters, plot lines, and contradictory bits of lore that I’m honestly not sure he ever really made >
Taxicat
>up his own mind on how all that was supposed to work. That doesn’t give the show much to work with, if even the author of the >
Taxicat
>source material can’t make up his mind.
coffscreek
Very true.
Sirdan3k
There are so many kids named after this show and nobody will understand the reference in another three years.
KenjiKando
Yeah, I've actually admired how quickly literally everyone stopped talking about it after the finale. I too would watch these documentaries.
Kbantar
People remember endings more than middles. Who remembers plots from St. Elsewhere? We remember that bizarre shit ending.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
No one remembers how Roseanne ended, though.
Asteriacites
...I mean didn't it end quite recently with Roseanne being fired from Roseanne for being racist?
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
I meant the original run but good point and I think it’s still going on after some rebranding
HiddenSanity
NGE.
dleegillyme
Never watched season 8 although I am a huge fan of GOT. I don’t want that kind of ugliness in my life
ArgosWatch
Season 8 didn’t happen!
misterbung
You made the right choice. Every now and then I remember the things that happened in season 8 and get angry all over again.
CompressedInfo
It's also true that it ended only like 7-8 months before the world got consumed with Corona news, so it probably would have faded anyway
OreosAreTerrible
We would have been shitting out memes about how winter has come. All over our face.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
I dunno. That was peak-fandom time. People binged TV and movies obsessively.
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
I mean I know there's good stuff there and I want to watch it but I can't it repels me... I didn't even think the ending was bad in general
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
But the execution was lazy and you can feel it. You know they didn't put anything in to it so then how can I watch it?
NSFWFolderAccount
Post episode interviews were just salt in the wound afterwards too. We made the dumbest scene because "Dany forgot"
DrDoALittleMoreThanBareMinimum
Honestly I used to love the behind the scenes of Got but yeah after watching some at the end it just sucked the joy out of it... :(
popebadass
Asp known as the “LOST” phenomena.
pintDMG
The interesting thing with LOST is that it is still memorable for the ending issue. With GoT *even that* is just ... gone.
electricsillygoose
Lost ruined me. I have a difficult time engaging in shows to this day. I never got into GOT because I knew they'd f**k it up somehow. Sigh
The5lacker
Clearly you're just the reincarnation of Cassandra the Oracle.
DynamaxAgumon
Honestly in the last year I think I've seen more people talk about lost than Game of thrones
popebadass
I was mostly OK with how lost ended, but it’s an apt comparison
jostrander1
Now all that’s left in the wake are a bunch of kids named Arya
misterbung
Not too mention all the Daenerys' running around too! Whoops, the turned your namesake into a homicidal maniac!
delecti
Those kids will be fine, I feel bad for the generation of kids named Khaleesi (and to a lesser extent also Daenerys).
justarocknroller
I feel kinda bad for my ex. She had a passel of lizards, all named after GoT characters.
Snooj
I think the lizards probably wouldn't notice if their names were changed.
electricsillygoose
Some people named their kids after GOT characters.
FractalChainsaw
At least "Arya" is a cool name on its own. "Khaleesi" though? It was child abuse even before the show ended.
amp99
I'm not so sure it did disappear. There's a prequel series coming up ('House of the Dragon'), there are various long-form YouTube... 1/x
amp99
analysis/lore investigation videos made after it ended with millions of views, and there's still interest in Martin's next book(s). 2/2
Camelspotting
I thought they cancelled the show?
amp99
From yesterday: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/house-dragon-game-thrones-prequel-cast-oliva-cooke-emma-darcy-matt-smith-1234851907
amp99
Updated yesterday: https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/everything-we-know-about-game-of-thrones-prequel-series-house-of-the-dragon
Unclescam
It cost those guys some Star Wars movies and that weird 'what if the confederacy won' HBO show...
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
No, it didn't. The sequel trilogy sucking and Solo failing at the box office halted future Star Wars movies.
Unclescam
IMO...Solo wasn't nearly as bad as it's box office numbers suggest. Fan backlash/boycott from TLJ caused it to bomb.
ApotheosisCM
The irony is that they ruined it because of Star Wars. HBO offered them more time and episodes, and they said no.
BurlRavenscroft
I think the universe cost them the confederacy show
WeaselBandit
Good. Imagine if D&D had gotten their hands on Star Wars...
grandfalloon
That's how we got Saga Edition.
ohbotherwhatdoiput
Saga Edition was the second version of Star Wars d20. Also, d6 for life.
grandfalloon
3rd version, actually! The first two were dumpster fires, Saga was okay. I enjoyed FFG's until one character had a 10 page sheet.
ohbotherwhatdoiput
My biggest issue with the FFG version is that Triumphs were so nebulous in effect that it was always better to boost a skill than upgrade it
GhostPants69
They would SuBvErT oUr ExPeCtAtIoNs
DnDArtdump
I dunno, I thought SAGA Edition was alright.
judgefreak
DONT SAY THAT WHERE PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU.
doggetofftheqcekmty
People still obsess over LOTR and Star Trek. Only thing that could make people care about GOT again is if Martin finally writes another book
Sealab2021
LOTR and Star Trek are wholesome. GOT had at least 1(if not more) scenes that were basically pornographic per episode.
Himser
Got was huge while it was around. And the reality that people have sex was part of the success. It was bad directing not porn that stoped it
Sealab2021
Lol, you could practically hear the ‘bow chica wow wow’ music kick in every time a sexy scene started, which yea, is bad directing.
pintDMG
Now, now, Winds is almost finished! Totes! Just a few more months!
VinchVolt
Star Trek is in a similar boat as Doctor Who in that people are aware of how constantly it fluctuates,
VinchVolt
so it you’re not satisfied with the show right now you can be sure that it’ll improve again in due time.
VinchVolt
*if
The701
Hell, *Napoleon Dynamite* still gets some play. A movie 16 years ago, in which nothing happened - still going.
FreshWater13
we'll get winds of winter when we get doors of stone
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
He's actually been blogging about progress on it recently. Could still happen. Or Covid gets him, you never know.
Taxicat
I still think he should just own up to the fact that he got writer’s block after overcomplicating his own plot and writing >
Taxicat
>himself into a corner. Writer’s block happens, there’s no shame in just admitting it.
mardukkur
You sure it isn't just the swimming pools of cash?
Taxicat
No, based on what I’m reading in the books so far, I really think he was already hitting writer’s block BEFORE he started >
privatepublic
After coming into that much cash at that time in life with all the interview requests, I would be in the same boat as him.
NSFWFolderAccount
I remember picking up Name of the Wind and the Wise Man's Fears to tide me over until the next GRRM book came out. regret it
grandfalloon
Check out the First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie, beginning with The Blade Itself.
NSFWFolderAccount
Read it and some of the other books in that world, I enjoy the fresh twist to it.
grandfalloon
Cool. It's been my standard recommendation for people either jonesin' for more GoT, or who find GoT too rapey.
Callistan
I’ve noticed a shift in the fantasy genre away from long series and towards standalone books or relatively short trilogies. Wonder if it’s a
Callistan
Response to readers becoming frustrated with waiting years for a series to finish (there are exceptions like Brandon Sanderson, of course).
CaptCanada
That and the burnout a long series takes, I can read long series I.E The Drizzit or disc word franchise if its in some manageable divisions
jery007
Sanderson's ability to produce is inhuman
NSFWFolderAccount
So ready for the next Stormlight novel
Stuey1221
You have no idea how right you are. I’ve never seen anything disappear from mainstream culture as quick as GoT. There were shops dedicated..
Revelant
Northern Ireland still tries to live off it.
madeejit
First Titanic, then an even bigger fuckin disaster.
ImF1ne
Heroes just declined season by season until we were glad it was gone
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
Heroes got fucked by the writer's strike.
freshthrowaway1138
No, they got fucked by the producers going against the creators. The show was supposed to be a different heroes journey/season, but instead/
freshthrowaway1138
/the producers decided to make it a continuous story of a few heroes. Totally ruined itself.
nagesagi
Happened to LOST as well. Pretty much as soon as it ended, I didn't hear anyone talk about it except how much they hated it
TheSketchMan
I still see Breaking Bad references, memes, gifs. Haven't seen any GoT now that I think about it...
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
sombrerohorsewagon
taghashtag
There are a few GIFs. Most notably the "NICE" gif and the sausage gif.
BlastFX
You sure about that?
Handyolo
Because breaking bad was good right up until the credits rolled on the last episode of the last season.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
PrincessNakedMoleRat
Or compare it to the LOTR cultural impact, for a more similar genre. You would never believe those movies are 20 years old.
cadesama
Lost disappeared very quickly.
Stuey1221
I kinda gave up with lost midway through series 2 :/
ClimbCO
I've read that this was largely due to the Christian undertone in the series finale which simply ruined it for so many.
SanchoPliskin
For the same reasons too.
ikeandclare
B/c to me Lost was a shite show. Meant to milk people for views. Sorry if you loved it. I respect your choice, I just didn't get it.
WTT24
It was really exciting until you found out the writers were just winging it weekly with no end game in mind.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
The Matrix universe lost most of its ardent fans after the sequels. Another one coming though...
Stuey1221
Gonna have to disagree toa degree there chief. Ok, people weren’t 100% happy with the sequels but it’s still talked about regularly
Asteriacites
I don't think that's true at all. I see bullet time, a future where machines plug us into simulations etc. referenced all the time even now.
Asteriacites
Plus as unfortunate as it is, the whole 'red pill' thing is from the Matrix and represents its longevity in the cultural consciousness.
supervillainsevilmoustache
That’s all tied to the world building of the first movie. As if the 2nd two are culturally irrelevant at best,intentionally ignored at worst
FuriousBakedPotato
Matrix definitely left it's mark on pop culture. And it ended years ago.
Stuey1221
To merchandise for the show. It’s like the producers went “we’ve made our money, I don’t care anymore”.
ExActionFigure
I have pictures from the GOT shop in Dubrovnik. There were two of them in old town and they were filled with people in 2016.
TheVampireDante
That's pretty much it... No source material, covered their costs, made some cash and a lot of them had offers for other projects, so yeah...
mirria
except these writers cost hundreds of millions (or more!) in merchandising to HBO
TheVampireDante
Network loyalty's practically a dead concept these days, money lures all but the most dedicated.
AlltheSarcasm87
That would be like jumping off a moving train instead of derailing the train down a mountainside...
Ruhig
Well, they jumped off the moving train, and then with no drivers, it derailed down the mountainside.
TheVampireDante
They did both...
madbydesign
Avatar also culturally vanished despite its popularity. When Disney added Avatar land, the 1st thing people said was “why”?
ArcaneConjecture
Avatar wasn't a good story. Everybody watched it because the SFX were great. Also, given global warming, it makes us feel too guilty.
sweetnaivety
the sound effects were great?
ArcaneConjecture
I thought sfx stood for special effects.
totallyrealname
Thats not really a thing. SFX=sound, VFX=visual effects. It includes special effects which usually are non-CG elements, but not called sfx.
ArcaneConjecture
My wisdom grows daily!
saganworshipper
I didn't find the film to be very good.
Repostradamus
Same. I haven't even attempted to watch again after seeing it in theaters. That's actually rare for me
nickitabanana
I thought you were talking about the Last Airbender for a minute and was like what?? Disney? avatar land? (I never saw the blue people one)
Camelspotting
Then it really wasn't a cultural zeitgeist was it?
roar2O
Tbf, the land is supposedly super good and the rides are supposed to be top notch. But you’re not wrong.
mortalxCOIL
Avatar phenomenon lasted for a year at most. Game of Thrones was part of the Zeitgeist for most of the decade.
MrStealUrChange
I always enjoyed avatar
Drakenborn
I ran a theatre when this came out and "popular" was the wrong word. Frankly the word that fit it best was "novelty." It came out when 1/?
Drakenborn
3D was still trying to be "the next big thing" and by all accounts Avatar was the best available example. This also had a knock-on effect2/?
Drakenborn
of showing 3D wasn't really shit but that's neither here nor there. But in any case ppl experienced this new movie in it's intended 3/?
Drakenborn
format and most of the movie going audience walked away with "that was O.K." Which might have been fine if it was just maintaining 4/5
Drakenborn
status quo. But it was supposed to start a format revolution. Unfortunately though, you don't get to start a revolution with a "Meh"
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Because there are at least three sequels coming?
SuperGoose137
But it’s for this very reason that I would argue Pandora is a better attraction than Galaxy’s Edge. No preconceived expectations to ruin.
SuperGoose137
People already had an idea of what it would be like to be in the Star Wars galaxy, It could never top what was already in our imagination.
SuperGoose137
But nobody grew up wondering what it would be like to live in the world of Avatar so we are just like “woah, cool floating mountains”.
minizeries
It is a visually delightful land. Galaxy's Edge is fun, but was less "ooooh" to me. I really liked that river ride.
CarlottaVonSprockett
Yeah there are sequels in the mix right now, and I’m like Who even cares about Avatar anymore at this point?!
3nd3rwiggin
Exactly one person...
Radoonichan
I do, haven't stopped caring since the movie came out. Maybe because I was a kid and I was greatly amazed and influenced by the setting.
Radoonichan
So I guess there are lots of kids who had the amazing setting imprinted in their minds and now they just wanna see more no matter the story.
CarlottaVonSprockett
Good. I’m glad there are people still who are excited about it, and I hope it’s awesome and lives up to your expectations!!
pizzapartyhard
I think so many people saw it because A) James Cameron has a good rep, and B) it was the first blockbuster to do 3D. I don’t think it was
pizzapartyhard
ever that popular or part of the zeitgeist. It’s not a BAD movie, but it is pretty average. Tons of shitty movies do well at the box office.
pintDMG
This. It was notable and successful, but not popular.
grandfalloon
I saw Avatar on a crummy TV, played from a shitty DVD rip. When the special effects are downgraded to "pretty good," that movie sucks.
Liechsowagan
Am I the only one here who was thinking of a different forgotten movie?
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sweetnaivety
Eragon?
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
It’s a regular watch for me... With RiffTrax. Because it’s so bad they have tons of material to choose from.
wlfman
visually stunning, but otherwise an empty movie that, imo, didn't deserve the attention or hype it got when it was relevant
FlatPlutoSociety
I disagree that it was empty. It was one of the more anti-imperialist and (ironically) anti-capitalist blockbuster movies ever made.
Camelspotting
You covered the whole content in one sentence
maxdefault
It was hyped by the 3d tech used at the time.
Neorago
it was Alien Ferngully
Mojomancer
Nah, more neon Pocahontas
kenji0132
Flight of passage is fun as hell tho
MyleKeville
Radoonichan
One of my favorite rides. And thematically everything around it is gorgeous so it's definitely worth having, movie or not.
minizeries
It was blurry for me, when I don't normally have trouble with that. :( I just winked the whole time and it was good.
3crowsBeast
Hahahahaha, I thought you meant Avatar the Last Bender. Didn't even register as that bizarre white man saviour 3D alien bs.
AmArschdieRaeuber
*Air bender
3crowsBeast
HaulinOats
Pocahontas alien movie
MyleKeville
I was going to comment this. The highest grossing movie of all time and ppl could not name any of the characters.
mokzin
Jake Sully and Nay'tiri or Ney'tiri
iDrinkDrano
NGL I rarely remember character names, just the actors.
xizar
"unobtainium" and "Sigourny Weaver". and blue trees.
Radoonichan
Maybe it's just me, but I have lots of favorite movies that I don't remember the names of the characters in them.
MyleKeville
Really? Like what?
Radoonichan
My favorite movies are Interstellar, Glass, Cloud Atlas, Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 and I don't remember any of the character's names.
CaptainCurvyCutlass
I mean, in fairness, half the characters are named things like T'Xihui'tan. Jake Sully and Neytiri are kinda easy. Her parents? Nah.
PicassoCT
I still wait for Avatar2 - the Reckoning. Or how movie magic does not protect against orbital bombardment..
Phant0m5
No, that would be the planet's ridiculous magnetic field that fouled all their coolest tech. We were seeing analog to Earth's fiber optic.
MyleKeville
That’s pretty good. I could pull Sully, but not anyone else... and I watch that movie quite a bit. (Good background movie when I’m working)
ThatTransformersDude
It was more trend than anything, everyone had to go see a move that was hyped up but not necessarily left them with much feeling afterwards
madbydesign
Jake Sully is the only name I remember from the film.
Troldann
Better than I could pull. And I own the friggin blu-ray.
drainbamage1011
I'd even forgotten that until you said it.
FuriousBakedPotato
Was that the protagonist?
madbydesign
Yup!
NSFWFolderAccount
I think it was because it was visually appealing in 3D when that was first being a really big thing that drove the sales and thats it
cyno01
Yeah, i saw it 3x in the theaters, but why would i watch it at home?
Alavar
3d was around for a long time in theaters before Avatar. It was the way James Cameron did the 3d for the movie that won it over