Obama's deal included the UK, France, Russia, China, and Germany. And it included international inspection of nuke agreement. And took 20+ months.
I'm gonna bet Trump's deal only opens the strait again.
And I bet Saudi Arabia and Israel, who talked Trump into doing a regime change, will not be happy with that not happening. But instead just replaced hardliner dad with hardliner son.
Yeah, "IF" being the operative word there. Making a deal involves the other side agreeing to the terms & both sides abiding by them over time -- neither of which have we seen since he broke Obama's agreement with Iran. We had a goddamn working deal, the strait was open to all, UN inspectors were routinely verifying the results of their nuclear waste disposal & everything was working as planned until pedodent dumbass decided he had to stuff his tiny wiener in the world's oil pipeline keyhole.
He'll be lucky to get back to what Obama negotiated. As for the cash, Trump is likely to release $20B in frozen assets, far exceeding the $1.7B frozen assets that Obama let them have.
In shgort, he's gonna surrender andm in the new deal, provide Iran with the technology they currently lack to build a nuclear weapon. Fucking moron!!!!
The deal is not real. As usual, Trump thinks that agreeing to what the substance of negotiations will be about, is “a deal is near.” Last I understood, Iran is still effectively claiming that the strait of Hormuz is an internal waterway that they will regulate, and charge for, and have stated that discussions about uranium could be weeks/months away
The deal is not done, the statement is real. The part about Obama is half truths and lies, the problem was created by Trump himself when he tore up the treaty signed by Obama. Screwed the entire world because he thought he could take Iran in three days. Wants a bigger payoff to stop.
Obama did, in fact, give Iran millions of dollars in cash and gave them a deal where they basically pinky swore not to make a nuke as long as we pinky swore to let them sell things to europe. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/investigating-obama-administrations-400-million-payment-iran nominally this was "reparations" for when the US responded to Iran overthrowing its government by not following through on a deal it made with the now-nonexistent government. it was also transparently a bribe.
As with most things in diplomacy, there was an abundance of trust involved in this agreement, which is no doubt why Trump, whose brain is incapable of trusting his own bowels from shitting his pants, immediately renegged on the deal.
Calling the JCPOA a “pinky swear” ignores that Iran dismantled centrifuges, shipped out enriched uranium, and accepted the most intrusive nuclear inspections in the world. The $400M wasn’t a “gift” — it was Iran’s own pre-1979 money tied up in a legal dispute the U.S. was likely to lose anyway. You can argue the timing made it look like ransom, but pretending it was simply Obama handing terrorists cash for promises is propaganda, not history.
>ignores< no, it acknowledges the fact that they could have lied about these things and/or made them in secret. Because that's literally how EVERY government operates, the only way to believe anything ANY government says is through trust. The US, for example, leaves certain planes governed by nuclear disarmament treaties to rust in the open so that satellites can see them there...but they COULD be still building those planes in secret.
>it wasn't a gift< As I said, it was NOMINALLY "reparations," it was also transparently a bribe. It was the US saying "sure we'll give you this money and stop fighting you for it if you give the US what we want."
You'll note that nowhere did I say Iran was a terrorist state. That is your words, not mine. I said that two capitalist governments did a bribery deal, which is true. Any perceived corruption by you is you subconsciously recognizing that capitalist governments are inherently corrupt.
For a great example of how you can't rely on government's "proving" their supposed innocence on a subject, look at the US' attitude about hacking. In the 90s and earlier the official narrative from the US government was "we do not hack other countries"
Now the US cyber attacks on foreign nations are talked about openly and described as "good ackshually." And if you look into the declassified documents, the US government was hacking people the whole time they said they weren't, too.
Or even on a smaller scale of how you can't "prove" That people aren't doing something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive people were paid to kill cobras, to reduce the amount of cobras in the country. So they started breeding cobras in secret, increasing the number of cobras in the country.
You can't PROVE someone isn't doing something. you MUST trust them, because that's the only thing you can do.
And the trust is that those inspections were 100% accurate, not in any way tampered with and, most importantly, were done at all possible locations where they could be making the things they pinky swore not to make.
You'll note the third feature is literally impossible to verify without having inspectors on every square inch of Iran-affiliated land 24/7
Well, we got to pick the inspectors, and the locations. It's one of the most surveilled countries in the world. And you can't exactly put a centrifuge in the back of the broom closet and store your material in a shoebox. Hiding fissible material isn't exactly easy. Between safety equipment and radiation its pretty detectable. So again, not about trust. It's about watching what they were doing, getting eyes (that we picked) on the ground (in locations we picked) .
Scrungusamongus
Hope for the little clot who could
Tenugui
The real deal was the enemies we made along the way
KnightWithShiningCamera
UnattendedDeviant
Obama's deal included the UK, France, Russia, China, and Germany. And it included international inspection of nuke agreement. And took 20+ months.
I'm gonna bet Trump's deal only opens the strait again.
And I bet Saudi Arabia and Israel, who talked Trump into doing a regime change, will not be happy with that not happening. But instead just replaced hardliner dad with hardliner son.
SirPerfluousOfTheShire
English Translation" "I fucked up"
RoyDMercer
1. Create the problem. 2. Come up with shitty solution to problem. 3. Take credit for shitty solution, falsely criticize predecessors.
intaglioguy
I'll do it: lies, lies, more lies, delusional statement, lies, lies, lies....and more lies.
nevergonnasleep
"I don't make bad deals!"
Seems like the war was a pretty bad one, big orange.
duktayp
I'm telling you what the deal is.... But no one knows what the deal is.... I don't even know what it is yet no one knows but I'm not telling you but it'll be a great deal that no one knows about a deal that is great because I am great and everyone else is bad https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyYmowMGQzZGtxdHdhMjk1dW5wcmJza2tnMmNpM3l3eHc2OHN2Nm1jOCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/A363LZlQaX0ZO/giphy.gif
senslesssensei
Is this deal (that nobody has seen) in the room with us now?
WickedSludge
GrandmasterSpank
The deal is that Iran gives the uranium to China and Iran can charge "only" 800k per ship instead of 1 million per ship that passes through Hormuz.
PlancksKonstant
It kind of takes itself apart. No need for us to *yawn* waste our time.
spontaneous9
Yeah, "IF" being the operative word there. Making a deal involves the other side agreeing to the terms & both sides abiding by them over time -- neither of which have we seen since he broke Obama's agreement with Iran. We had a goddamn working deal, the strait was open to all, UN inspectors were routinely verifying the results of their nuclear waste disposal & everything was working as planned until pedodent dumbass decided he had to stuff his tiny wiener in the world's oil pipeline keyhole.
TChallaVanDam
Pretty solid summary.
RetrogradeLlama
He'll be lucky to get back to what Obama negotiated. As for the cash, Trump is likely to release $20B in frozen assets, far exceeding the $1.7B frozen assets that Obama let them have.
nimeton0
REOJackwagon
*draws sentence diagram, but every line and branch says either "stupid" or "fucking stupid"
alexw04
In shgort, he's gonna surrender andm in the new deal, provide Iran with the technology they currently lack to build a nuclear weapon. Fucking moron!!!!
getadogupya
That cunt doesn't have the cards to bluff with, anymore. He already threw everything he had at them before even starting negotiations.
Fucking 5D chess, my arse.
duktayp
https://imgur.com/pv62Uyx
spontaneous9
Heh. They misspelled Dumbshit.
Awmph
is the post real or not? is the deal real or not?
Johnsky
Well, he says nobody knows about it, so it doesn't exist.
76000BatteryLlamas
Who knows or cares anymore
Bojovnik84
I don't know, that doesn't look like Truth Social and that is better worded than usual.
cousteau
Is Trump even real? He seems made up. Like a poorly written villain from a B series movie.
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
The deal is not real. As usual, Trump thinks that agreeing to what the substance of negotiations will be about, is “a deal is near.” Last I understood, Iran is still effectively claiming that the strait of Hormuz is an internal waterway that they will regulate, and charge for, and have stated that discussions about uranium could be weeks/months away
imeatingpizzaandfuckit
That should read *may* charge for. My bad.
Dannoboyo
The deal is not done, the statement is real. The part about Obama is half truths and lies, the problem was created by Trump himself when he tore up the treaty signed by Obama. Screwed the entire world because he thought he could take Iran in three days. Wants a bigger payoff to stop.
Blitzling
its real, unfortunately
blaghart
Obama did, in fact, give Iran millions of dollars in cash and gave them a deal where they basically pinky swore not to make a nuke as long as we pinky swore to let them sell things to europe. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/investigating-obama-administrations-400-million-payment-iran nominally this was "reparations" for when the US responded to Iran overthrowing its government by not following through on a deal it made with the now-nonexistent government. it was also transparently a bribe.
blaghart
As with most things in diplomacy, there was an abundance of trust involved in this agreement, which is no doubt why Trump, whose brain is incapable of trusting his own bowels from shitting his pants, immediately renegged on the deal.
ilikepot8os
Calling the JCPOA a “pinky swear” ignores that Iran dismantled centrifuges, shipped out enriched uranium, and accepted the most intrusive nuclear inspections in the world. The $400M wasn’t a “gift” — it was Iran’s own pre-1979 money tied up in a legal dispute the U.S. was likely to lose anyway. You can argue the timing made it look like ransom, but pretending it was simply Obama handing terrorists cash for promises is propaganda, not history.
blaghart
>ignores< no, it acknowledges the fact that they could have lied about these things and/or made them in secret. Because that's literally how EVERY government operates, the only way to believe anything ANY government says is through trust. The US, for example, leaves certain planes governed by nuclear disarmament treaties to rust in the open so that satellites can see them there...but they COULD be still building those planes in secret.
blaghart
>it wasn't a gift< As I said, it was NOMINALLY "reparations," it was also transparently a bribe. It was the US saying "sure we'll give you this money and stop fighting you for it if you give the US what we want."
You'll note that nowhere did I say Iran was a terrorist state. That is your words, not mine. I said that two capitalist governments did a bribery deal, which is true. Any perceived corruption by you is you subconsciously recognizing that capitalist governments are inherently corrupt.
blaghart
For a great example of how you can't rely on government's "proving" their supposed innocence on a subject, look at the US' attitude about hacking. In the 90s and earlier the official narrative from the US government was "we do not hack other countries"
Now the US cyber attacks on foreign nations are talked about openly and described as "good ackshually." And if you look into the declassified documents, the US government was hacking people the whole time they said they weren't, too.
blaghart
Or even on a smaller scale of how you can't "prove" That people aren't doing something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive people were paid to kill cobras, to reduce the amount of cobras in the country. So they started breeding cobras in secret, increasing the number of cobras in the country.
You can't PROVE someone isn't doing something. you MUST trust them, because that's the only thing you can do.
ilikepot8os
It wasn't based on trust. It was based on inspections. Which they were complying with.
blaghart
And the trust is that those inspections were 100% accurate, not in any way tampered with and, most importantly, were done at all possible locations where they could be making the things they pinky swore not to make.
You'll note the third feature is literally impossible to verify without having inspectors on every square inch of Iran-affiliated land 24/7
Hence, trust.
ilikepot8os
Well, we got to pick the inspectors, and the locations. It's one of the most surveilled countries in the world. And you can't exactly put a centrifuge in the back of the broom closet and store your material in a shoebox. Hiding fissible material isn't exactly easy. Between safety equipment and radiation its pretty detectable. So again, not about trust. It's about watching what they were doing, getting eyes (that we picked) on the ground (in locations we picked) .