This is why I was upset when Qanon ppl were feeling vindicated after Epstein files. They thought they got it right because they were smart. No, they literally regurgitated what Epstein and others wanted them to. To the degree any of what they believed was true, it was planted by the people behind it in order to discredit the whole thing. Qanon were useful idiots.
As more and more western countries are dragged into this for various reasons I worry the biggest benefit (and maybe even the whole point) to Russia is still coming, an excuse to stop providing support for Ukraine.
I know a guy like this. Loves to say he's too smart for the Republicans and the Democrats. That he's his own independent thinker. And then immediately launches into Russian propaganda talking points.
I also know a guy like that. Says he's an independent centrist who doesn't get fooled by the mainstream media. But when you talk to him it's all right wing talking points and whatever the latest Russian propaganda is.
The war on Iran is a confluence (a word that here means a coming togeather), of two agendas: Putin wants to divert American weapons away from Ukraine so he can complete his take over, and Israel wants to reduce Iran to a failed nation. The first thing to accept is that Trump is Putin's bitch and AIPAC controls the US congress. So the war on Iran is an excuse.
It's just so funny seeing people accuse each other of exactly what they are. None of you monkeys are independent thinkers lmao xD stick to that flock and be afraid of saying the wrong thing. Imgur is literally one of the biggest fucking opinion bubbles on the internet, by far, bar none. You won't find a nuanced / unique opinion in this shit pile xD
Have you tried ifunny? A wretched hive of "free thinkers" like you who think free speech means racism and sucking off republicans. Far far worse than imgur as far as bubbles go. Ifunny is literally a shit bubble. Perfect for the likes of you.
That's a tough one, in this post-AI world it can be tough to distinguish fact from fiction and the propaganda mills are operating at a hitherto unseen efficiency. That being said, I try to keep an open mind and don't trust any one given source whether mainstream or not but try to fact check when I can and ideally I try to find what the original source is. This is becoming harder recently and that is sad.
Well to be fair if you're left of Harris you're probably criticizing her and we all know that the only reason to criticize a politician is if they're on the other side, so leftists must just be clever Republican bots trying to trick me.
This shit isn't as bad on here as it used to be, but way more people here need to get more comfortable also criticizing whatever politicians are closest to their views.
It's especially frustrating to me because this community's views, I think, are on average much further left than the average Democrat politician's espoused views, but the community overreacted to the bot problem and built themselves an echo chamber where the Democrats are all just as far left as them
How does this help Russia? They were relying on the steady flow of equipment from Iran for their war in Ukraine. In fact, I'd say that this fiasco helps China, like most of the GOP actions. Simply by cutting off oil, countries will move ever faster towards renewables, which is controlled by Chinese industry. This gives them more cash, plus they know more about what is going to happen if they attack Taiwan, especially as US stockpiles are reduced.
Oil prices skyrocketed and many eastern countries (one above all: india) can only source it from middle east or russia... and tankers can't cross hormuz strait right now.
Indeed. China also imported an estimated 1.38 million bpd (barrels per day) in sanctioned oil from Iran in 2025 out of 11.6 million bpd total. 10% from Iran, 11% from Iraq, 7% UAE, 14% Saudi Arabia, and 3% from Kuwait as a cherry on top. No one wants to lose almost half their oil supply in a single stroke.
I'm having a hard time processing it too. But there are indications that trump will remove some controls on Russian oil, so it may benefit Russia to see this happen?
China isn't going to attack Taiwan. Taiwan is part of China. The only reason they would attack is if the US gets involved and is a last resort if all diplomatic channels have been severed.
What an oblivious comment. While technically Taiwan is "part" of China, we all know that's not the reality. Taiwan and China operate independently of each other, and mainland China is looking to seize control of the island. To do that, it will involve an invasion- which is something that the PRC has stated as a goal for many years now. There is plenty of OSINT available that shows that China has been making progress towards that goal with a likely invasion coming in 2-5 years.
That's literally the One China policy of One Country Two systems.
What invasion? That only comes if DPP seeks too become a vassal of the US. China would prefer a peaceful transition, with Taiwan keeping it's autonomy, rather than have it become an military base for the US.
Id say Taiwan isn't technically part of China any more than America is part of the british empire. They have their own government system, have a sovereign military, practice independent diplomacy and have an independent economy. Whilst the government in Taipei has its roots in the nationalist Chinese government, no one from that government seriously believes in reunification
It's technically part of it because of how the international community of nations treats the situation. The US view is that they are One China, but we still sell weapons and aid to Taiwan while trying not to upset the PRC. It's more like an autonomous region, theoretically under the thumb but does everything on its own.
Ehh, I'd say in the US case its more they simply do not acknowledge Taiwan at all in any official capacity, as opposed to agreeing with the one china policy. Strategic ambiguity used to be a popular toolset in the US arsenal
It's literally legally recognized as part of China by the entire world aside from about 12 countries that dont matter and is culturally & economically tied to the mainland.
archon325
This is why I was upset when Qanon ppl were feeling vindicated after Epstein files. They thought they got it right because they were smart. No, they literally regurgitated what Epstein and others wanted them to. To the degree any of what they believed was true, it was planted by the people behind it in order to discredit the whole thing. Qanon were useful idiots.
Frozenspokes
The biggest winner of the whole Iraq thing was Iran. We are just ticking them off.
TyrCarter
How is getting their Shaded drone supply cut in half winning?
unluckyandbored
I reminder that nobody is immune to propaganda. Not you, not me, not anyone. That said, some of us are more resistant than others..
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
Hey, that's not true. Much of it is Israeli propaganda.
ThatuldoPig
Pretty sure you mean Isreali
defensivebackhair
Yeah, came to say this
MisterFluffi
As more and more western countries are dragged into this for various reasons I worry the biggest benefit (and maybe even the whole point) to Russia is still coming, an excuse to stop providing support for Ukraine.
Myothercarisadelorean
newsguycraigevans
I know a guy like this. Loves to say he's too smart for the Republicans and the Democrats. That he's his own independent thinker. And then immediately launches into Russian propaganda talking points.
worm61
Every “enlightened centrist” is just a conservative who hasn’t realized it yet.
tomoko42
I also know a guy like that. Says he's an independent centrist who doesn't get fooled by the mainstream media. But when you talk to him it's all right wing talking points and whatever the latest Russian propaganda is.
kurvarVillain
KamikazeGerbil101
bexxMaker
thefrozenorth
The war on Iran is a confluence (a word that here means a coming togeather), of two agendas: Putin wants to divert American weapons away from Ukraine so he can complete his take over, and Israel wants to reduce Iran to a failed nation. The first thing to accept is that Trump is Putin's bitch and AIPAC controls the US congress. So the war on Iran is an excuse.
Sebastopol140
1stDrunkJoe
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Honestly the order is reversed. Fox gets its propaganda from Russia.
canyouflyyousucker
opus68
here4agoodtimenotlongtime
How do figure space ranger?
Krossis
LordHotPie
...he bravely asked from his alt account
BolenArrow
It's just so funny seeing people accuse each other of exactly what they are. None of you monkeys are independent thinkers lmao xD stick to that flock and be afraid of saying the wrong thing. Imgur is literally one of the biggest fucking opinion bubbles on the internet, by far, bar none. You won't find a nuanced / unique opinion in this shit pile xD
eathotdog
No u
HairyChairstepper
Have you tried ifunny? A wretched hive of "free thinkers" like you who think free speech means racism and sucking off republicans. Far far worse than imgur as far as bubbles go. Ifunny is literally a shit bubble. Perfect for the likes of you.
MyProfileIsIrrelevant
We get it, you've had a lot of concussions. No need to involve us.
canyouflyyousucker
Then shut your profile down and fucking get out of here. No one is forcing you to stay.
dontrike
Whenever someone screeches about "thought bubbles" and "echo chambers" you know exactly the type of person they are.
worm61
People can agree and still be independent thinkers, but it’s pretty obvious you’ve never had an original thought in your life.
thatlamer
Leftist here, you guys trust what the government and mainstream media say?
CoryBoy
Yeah I was just thinking about making one with a DNC hat on and "AMERICAN PROPOGANDA" on the pipe, lol.
SandpaperCock
That's a tough one, in this post-AI world it can be tough to distinguish fact from fiction and the propaganda mills are operating at a hitherto unseen efficiency. That being said, I try to keep an open mind and don't trust any one given source whether mainstream or not but try to fact check when I can and ideally I try to find what the original source is. This is becoming harder recently and that is sad.
whereismymind86
Nooo, given both are controlled by Nazis and corporate morons these days.
But I also research my sources enough to hopefully stay away from propaganda too
CherubCow
Of course not! .. they just trust what Acyn reposts from the same government and msm sources. If the lies are laundered then they become true.
FlatPlutoSociety
This is Imgur. Half the people here think anyone to the left of Harris is a Russian stooge.
gnomeworld
um Russia has not been on the left for 35 years...
alex5775
Well to be fair if you're left of Harris you're probably criticizing her and we all know that the only reason to criticize a politician is if they're on the other side, so leftists must just be clever Republican bots trying to trick me.
This shit isn't as bad on here as it used to be, but way more people here need to get more comfortable also criticizing whatever politicians are closest to their views.
alex5775
It's especially frustrating to me because this community's views, I think, are on average much further left than the average Democrat politician's espoused views, but the community overreacted to the bot problem and built themselves an echo chamber where the Democrats are all just as far left as them
Cornflakes91
left as in "the nazis were left"?
freshthrowaway1138
How does this help Russia? They were relying on the steady flow of equipment from Iran for their war in Ukraine. In fact, I'd say that this fiasco helps China, like most of the GOP actions. Simply by cutting off oil, countries will move ever faster towards renewables, which is controlled by Chinese industry. This gives them more cash, plus they know more about what is going to happen if they attack Taiwan, especially as US stockpiles are reduced.
mccccall
Validates that "invading sovereign countries is ok"
freshthrowaway1138
I hope you're not implying that I think invading sovereign nation is ok.
IlDepo
Oil prices skyrocketed and many eastern countries (one above all: india) can only source it from middle east or russia... and tankers can't cross hormuz strait right now.
Meltemi
Indeed. China also imported an estimated 1.38 million bpd (barrels per day) in sanctioned oil from Iran in 2025 out of 11.6 million bpd total. 10% from Iran, 11% from Iraq, 7% UAE, 14% Saudi Arabia, and 3% from Kuwait as a cherry on top. No one wants to lose almost half their oil supply in a single stroke.
Source: https://www.energypolicy.columbia.edu/where-china-gets-its-oil-crude-imports-in-2025-reveal-stockpiling-and-changing-fortunes-of-certain-suppliers-including-those-sanctioned/
freshthrowaway1138
Yeah, that's a reasonable point.
Lovethesmelloftoastedsourdoughbread
So cash-strapped Russia starts selling more oil at a higher price. It's like it was planned somehow.
Noahbalboa82
I'm having a hard time processing it too. But there are indications that trump will remove some controls on Russian oil, so it may benefit Russia to see this happen?
DracarysBlackfyre
He has temporarily removed some of the sanctions restricting India from purchasing Russian oil, so, yeah, massive help to Russia
freshthrowaway1138
ah yeah, that would be very helpful to Russia.
ArgentXero
China isn't going to attack Taiwan. Taiwan is part of China. The only reason they would attack is if the US gets involved and is a last resort if all diplomatic channels have been severed.
freshthrowaway1138
What an oblivious comment. While technically Taiwan is "part" of China, we all know that's not the reality. Taiwan and China operate independently of each other, and mainland China is looking to seize control of the island. To do that, it will involve an invasion- which is something that the PRC has stated as a goal for many years now. There is plenty of OSINT available that shows that China has been making progress towards that goal with a likely invasion coming in 2-5 years.
ArgentXero
They operate differently from each other.
That's literally the One China policy of One Country Two systems.
What invasion? That only comes if DPP seeks too become a vassal of the US. China would prefer a peaceful transition, with Taiwan keeping it's autonomy, rather than have it become an military base for the US.
https://english.president.gov.tw/News/7029</a>
President Lai has also met with AIPAC:
https://english.president.gov.tw/News/7029
and says Israel is a model for defense in Taiwan.
DracarysBlackfyre
Id say Taiwan isn't technically part of China any more than America is part of the british empire. They have their own government system, have a sovereign military, practice independent diplomacy and have an independent economy. Whilst the government in Taipei has its roots in the nationalist Chinese government, no one from that government seriously believes in reunification
freshthrowaway1138
It's technically part of it because of how the international community of nations treats the situation. The US view is that they are One China, but we still sell weapons and aid to Taiwan while trying not to upset the PRC. It's more like an autonomous region, theoretically under the thumb but does everything on its own.
DracarysBlackfyre
Ehh, I'd say in the US case its more they simply do not acknowledge Taiwan at all in any official capacity, as opposed to agreeing with the one china policy. Strategic ambiguity used to be a popular toolset in the US arsenal
Loctavius
Stupid tankie says what? TAIWAN IS NOT CHINA.
ArgentXero
It's literally legally recognized as part of China by the entire world aside from about 12 countries that dont matter and is culturally & economically tied to the mainland.
worm61
No, it is economically *shackled* to the mainland. It is culturally independent and desperate to be recognized as such.
ArgentXero
Party members on the mainland have family in Taiwan. Taiwan businesses have built on the mainland. What do you mean "shackled"?
Taiwan identifies as being Taiwanese, but it is culturally rooted in the mainland.
The One China policy seeks to establish that independence without interference from the US.
Taiwan will keep everything it currently has, it's govt, currency, passports etc without being a proxy. The status quo favors China.
60%+ want to maintain the status quo, 20%+ seek independence