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zebadiah09
Colorado always setting a good standard. I should move.
SithElephant
Also, I suspect _dramatically_ cheaper.
mektel
This is a really great story to see. We all suspected it was the right path and now we have proof.
pastaholic74
And not a single person was shot. Thank you Denver.
getguds
and without cops shooting the cases or their carers. i'm sick of finding a boy with autisim having been shot or a carer dead for headlines.
dartmaster666
Who made this decision and what took them so fucking long to do it? Why did they wait until international outrage? The policy makers have ¹
dartmaster666
been the problem for a long time. They have allowed this shit to happen and done nothung. ²
Whopkins
I'm a recently graduated Doctor of Psychology. Where do I sign up to do this? We've been saying this for years.
Thewayofthebear
Congrats for catching up. This is how we do it in the UK and without going into detail, I owe them everything.
GnikNella
There are examples in the UK when a paramedic, doctor or mental health specialist will travel with police but never instead of them.
Thewayofthebear
Yep
ArcticCamel
Can we call it BCCR (Balancing Community Care Response)?
Appel99
There goes Colorado again making a bunch of sense.
somedudeinla
Sending help to people calling for help? What a revolutionary concept!
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
I'm interested to see how it progresses
BosunMark
CO legalized weed and taxed it. CO can afford this.
DigitalBang
Fact check: incorrect. Police were not defunded. They simply added new services that don’t even divert funds.
kaiteko
This
captaintern28
The police don't like these kinds of calls - they were just dumped on them
ZebraNeighbor
What?! But that's communism!
easyoneundone
how modern. we have this for about 40 years here in Europe
systemfrown
Yeah this sounds like a good idea until you realize that these new type of responders can’t shoot people for being black.
captaintern28
They could carry a gun in their purse
gis4gif
Not long till the cops start fucking with them
sweetsasymolasy1234
Ok, but how will the city’s testosterone addled fascists get an opportunity to shoot innocent people?
captaintern28
Thank you for moderating your overgeneralization
iCanOrderPepperoniPizza
My town needs this. A homeless woman in town walks around exposing herself to passing cars. She needs help, not arrested.
RIxspacexCK
Maybe there is hope for Americans after all; I guess we’re not all a bunch of Neanderthals.
Jeslis
RBG passed away today. Supreme Court is FUBAR. Nope, no hope.
blastedsteak
People forget America is massive. There is a LOT of variation.
SirMarcsalot
Not so fast. We'll fuck it up, just wait and see.
AnotherSemanticArgument
as someone from CO, I feel pretty proud to report that we also ended qualified immunity this year. It's not all good, but progress is.
reaperhead
Whats that saying about us again? America eventually always does the right thing, but only after trying everything else first.
HieronymousFlex
It's almost like there's 300 million of us, but only around 8000 people that make all the decisions.
MadMike75
What if the 911 call is about a home invasion?
dogsareokay
I'm sure the 911 dispatchers can use their sense and "dispatch" the appropriate service. Active shootout? Probably a solid police call.
MagiSaturno
Do they send firefighters to a home invasion? That's the point of dispatch.
SweatyTunaTurbo
Story from Vice News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCmTcS5YvOQ
captaintern28
Thanks for posting that
Rkfinecake
Right, leave the violent shit calls to the police. And if that's all you're going to let them do, might as well militarize them?
captaintern28
Yeah, they could help out in Afghanistan
Dzingara
Not every other type of call would be considered a “violent shit” call. Besides, they handle those already, so what would change?
Rkfinecake
The attitude against them would solidify. Whenever they showed it'd be assumed to be for one thing. To quell, control, & extract.
Rkfinecake
Basically you're expanding the role of a SWAT team to fill the gap. And seeing how they're going to appear as an overwhelming force for >
Dzingara
So what about addressing the fact that not every other type of call is violent, and the effects of their responses to those?
Rkfinecake
>their own safety, it seems like that makes for more anxiety, not less. Plus, there's still enormous room for the grey areas. It would>
Rkfinecake
>often be very hard to determine which to send to a call.
hahaLaha
This is not defunding the police, this is applying the right resource to the right problem.
Dzingara
It may be defunding the police, if the funding used for the police was then used for this service.
justarandomfandom
This is quite literally what 'defund the police' stands for. Take some money from the usual police and create these systems and groups.
PecosBill
Insert unpopular opinion puffin. As a medic, when I make psyche runs, its always nice that there is a cop with us when things go sideways.
Valavuo
This is a pretty stupid idea anyway. Why not just train your cops properly to be able to react to situations and call proper help when 1/2
Valavuo
2/2 needed. I don't think social workers, ambulances etc. should be first responders to public disturbances. Police should always be first.
RaptorJesus89
Anytime a man with a gun enters a room, there's a non-zero chance that gun will go off. I don't trust police to value human life.
Valavuo
Weirdly, most people in most European countries don't consider trusting the police like that a problem. Start training them properly.
sweetnaivety
most people in most European countries dont own guns and their cops dont have to worry about possibly getting shot for a simple traffic stop
hippocampus
maybe consider to move to another country. that's just horrbile.
captaintern28
Finally, a person with first-hand knowledge speaks
PecosBill
Granted, some people are jerks regardless of profession, and all departments are different, but I would say by in large, police help us out
PecosBill
more than they hurt us in these situations. Psyche patients are sick and the disease makes them do unpredictable and violent things sometime
PecosBill
s. If you support us as Medics/firefighters/EMTs you need to know that these officers help us do our jobs and go home safely. This defunding
PecosBill
may have unintended consequences of putting us in danger. No hidden agenda here, just trying to look out for my fellow brothers and sisters.
captaintern28
No one could have said it better
GarmBlack
Check out CAHOOTS in the Eugene/Springfield area of Oregon. They should be the model for all these services. I've worked alongside them for
fools79
My buddy worked for CAHOOTS, they did/do amazing work. Sadly, people are often not willing to be open to change.
Justgoingtooleavethishere
https://whitebirdclinic.org/category/cahoots/
narderthanthou
My Aunt lives in Springfield a few blocks from Moes(by the trains and The Simpsons mural.) I'm there about twice a year. If they're (cont.)
narderthanthou
A good job( I remember 25 yrs ago, more hippies, less meth) think how bad it could be. Mostly fair weather in Oregon=3x the homeless elsewhe
ImguritisIsNotCureable
I live here too, I have been sending info on CAHOOTs to other state and town leaders to show them how it can be done.
GarmBlack
That's awesome! Good work old sport.
PedalPizza
Their funding is so tiny compared to the police. They definitely do a lot of good work here.
GarmBlack
about 7 years now (they tend to do adults or late teen interventions, I work as a youth crisis response worker.)
52pickup
Is there a version of this in Portland? Fiancée is looking for a switch in the social work field.
GarmBlack
I dont know that there is. If they want though, OATH is up there and is my dream social work agency, just too far away.
52pickup
You’re a gem, thanks for the tip! We’re new here so I try to follow up on any leads I see. Stay safe out there, thanks for what you do!
ChonkyChungus69
webber250
My only concern is if they get sent to a call that ends badly. And one ends up dead.
Elcarsh
They can reduce the risk that things end badly. In fact, that's their area of expertise
webber250
But what if said crazy person pulls a gun?
Elcarsh
Then the pros are much more skilled at deescalation than the cops. If that fails, they can retreat and call in the cops.
webber250
Domestic abuse situation, husband is agitated, goes off deep end and shoots social worker and wife in seconds. How to you prevent that.
Elcarsh
How often does that actually happen?