https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuhtt">ki/Tulpa">ki/Tulpa">https://e">lpa">htt">ki/Tulpa">ki/Tulpa">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa https://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Tulpa https://www.tulpa.info/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8 Imaginary friend, internal monologue, Spirit animal, God, Sacred Guide. Lotsa names for the voice in your head, lotsa techniques to bond and grow with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_sport
this post is just satire, but it actually made me think about how some people don't possess an inner monologue (a lot of ppl actually) and that maybe chatgpt excess made someone develop an inner monologue for the first time
Some people can’t picture things in their mind’s eye. They can imagine stuff, remember details, etc… but can’t actually “see” the thoughts as a picture
I don't have much time left, but y'all are screwed. When we lose the ability to think, to reason, to analyze, we slip closer to George Orwell's "1984". When we lose the drive of inquisitiveness, the awe of discovery, we become smaller. When we no longer write, carve, paint, knit, or do any of a thousand other hobbies, we become the beast, the kine, or the workhorse, every day walking in the same circle and having no idea why.
I have to assume the person in question was either making a sarcastic or satirical remark, or I must conclude that they are some balance of asshole and/or moron.
I've had a couple of jobs where I'd dream I was dealing with a customer, going through troubleshooting etc...this isn't that different. Still disturbing in this context because it means you're using AI to the extent of learning it like a new job...
I mean our whole society is aimed at making people worse at critical thinking, but yeah, heavy AI users are something else, heard a guy in the grocery aisle asking chatgpt what kind of pasta to buy.
This happened to me once. I was wondering how many digits of pi I knew, and realized that I knew it to five decimal places, 3.14159. Then a little gnome in my head said, "two six five four." "No," I said, "as far as I know, pi is equal to 3.14159." "Two six five four", the gnome repeated. I whipped out my calculator, poke poke . . . 3.141592654dammit.
It reads like satire. It's a subtle "you know, you can think for yourself instead of asking ChatGPT about every little thing that happens in your life" jab.
The idea that genetically modern humans had a second "not you" voice telling you what to do and that a magic switch flipped randomly a few thousand years ago and everyone's mind just swapped to a new operating system is kinda far fetched.
It's not a magic switch, the idea would be that it would be some sort of threshold, possible tied to population, where if the population was too high in one area (think first cities), and therefore too heterogenous, you can't all have the same delusion anymore, and you realize you can't all be listening to gods if they're saying different things. This can explain local gods and pantheons, as the shift slowly developed towards the voice just being yours.
Sure, but the idea that people think differently isn't controversial. Some people think in words, others in pictures, others in amorphous concepts. Some people can picture things in their mind's eye, others can't. Some people have no issue conceptualizing math problems intuitively, others really struggle with it.
It's not hard to imagine people having a bicameral mind because children do it all the time with imaginary friends. /1
We live in a (western) society that says "Honey, that friend is imaginary. It's not real, even though it feels real to you. You'll outgrow your imaginary friend one day". What if you lived in a society where you were told "Hooray! The voice you hear is the local god / household ancestor spirit! They're talking to you now!" You'd be a lot more likely to keep hearing it, and to keep wanting to hear it. Not everyone would, but more people would want to, and more people would pretend to. /2
No, its a nerdy joke. Bicameral minds are theorized to be two separate voices in one’s head. One is considered a “god” one is considered “you”. Part of the theory is that as societies became more complex the two voices combines into the way we currently experience consciousness.
I actually have a bicameral mind. Sleep me and awake me can actually comverse. It does happen when I am awake, but usually when I am not actively focused.
I don't know the effects on comprehension but I imagine they typically read faster without an inner voice forcing them to "speak" everything in real time.
No sound at all. Thinking more like legos: pick up concept A, attach it to concept B, get shape C, consider implications of C until C becomes its own block. Remember the various blocks and use them to assemble your thoughts.
Yeah, it seems almost inconceivable to me. The crazy thing is, us internal monologue people actually do go stretches of silently processing stuff but we kinda don’t see it/remember it really. Kinda like when you forget how you drove home, you kinda just autopiloted it. Consciousness is frightening and weird
I have heard people tell about how they drove home (safely) on 'autopilot' but have no recollection of it. I have never had that experience. I am 100% aware every second of the day till I go to sleep. But the second I wake up I'm 100% aware again. I also "dont dream". They say everyone dreams so I probably do, but I have never remembered a dream. So thats my... silent time?
It’s not really auto pilot you are aware in the moment but your brain just immediately deletes the memory as it serves no purpose so you are left with a how didI get here moment.
I have the same 100% awareness/never remember my dreams thing except I get panic attacks when I'm in busy areas and when that happens and I need to get somewhere I hand control to the committee in my head and take a back seat for the duration. I walked a mile to work recently after my wallet was stolen and didn't have money for the bus and didn't remember more than twenty seconds of it.
I was anxious, doc gave me some pills. 30 minutes later, total silence in my head. Lasted half a day. It was beautiful. I really really really want to have those pills again but doc says no they are addictive. But I still remember the silence.
Mytoothhurty
I couldn't believe it when my wife told me she doesn't have conversations in her head, like how is that even possible
RetrogradeLlama
yeahhedugit
Anyone ever read the origin of the consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind?
Sironagold
Ah yes. The ChatGPT Tulpa. Congratulations on becoming plural with headmate that actually uses the grey matter you were wasting.
TheDefective
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuhtt">ki/Tulpa">ki/Tulpa">https://e">lpa">htt">ki/Tulpa">ki/Tulpa">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa https://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Tulpa https://www.tulpa.info/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8 Imaginary friend, internal monologue, Spirit animal, God, Sacred Guide. Lotsa names for the voice in your head, lotsa techniques to bond and grow with it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_sport
IknowWhoYouAre
Jesus christ are people discovering their inner monologues like this??
AgamemnonsMemes
Bro discovered thinking lol
heroesblood
"Moron AIbro discovers thinking"
TomahawkJackson
"Moron X Denizen doesn't recognize (or chooses to ignore) satirical posting when it's scratching on the bedroom door."
heroesblood
Unfortunately, satire is long dead. And AIbros have posted shit like this before, but not as a joke.
duhqueenmoki
this post is just satire, but it actually made me think about how some people don't possess an inner monologue (a lot of ppl actually) and that maybe chatgpt excess made someone develop an inner monologue for the first time
lonosham
Some people can’t picture things in their mind’s eye. They can imagine stuff, remember details, etc… but can’t actually “see” the thoughts as a picture
FruitFlyInStrangePlaces
Wait. Hold up.
What if this person couldn't do this before and by using AI so frequently developed an inner monologue? That they developed a "cure" for anaduralia?
If so that would have insane ramifications.
SecurityBadger
I don't have much time left, but y'all are screwed. When we lose the ability to think, to reason, to analyze, we slip closer to George Orwell's "1984". When we lose the drive of inquisitiveness, the awe of discovery, we become smaller. When we no longer write, carve, paint, knit, or do any of a thousand other hobbies, we become the beast, the kine, or the workhorse, every day walking in the same circle and having no idea why.
WackyWavingInflatableArmFlailingTubman
Man discovers thinking
Recursiv3
Co-workers are starting to respond to me on slack with LLM messages now. I fucking hate everything
Cyandvai
this is parody right?
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
Right?!?
ufoara
mohavewolfpup
What's Bodi doing there? 🤔
ChipWallace
JFC are motherfuckers really out there abdicating their thought and internal monologue to chat GPT?
Holy shit the future's going to be wild.
"Welcome to Costco, I love you."
HolyFreakingToast
THIS WILL SLASH COMPUTE COSTS! learn one trick the AI industry doesn't want you to know!
quietwalker
I have to assume the person in question was either making a sarcastic or satirical remark, or I must conclude that they are some balance of asshole and/or moron.
Alistairetheblu
I've had a couple of jobs where I'd dream I was dealing with a customer, going through troubleshooting etc...this isn't that different. Still disturbing in this context because it means you're using AI to the extent of learning it like a new job...
ZIMISME
Artificial artificial "intelligence"
ArchaeoEejit
That sounds like thinking with extra steps.
VulcanTourist
Thinking with subvocalization.
Rinani
These violent delights have violent ends
Mohareb
And some wonder if AI makes people worse at critical thinking
cyno01
I mean our whole society is aimed at making people worse at critical thinking, but yeah, heavy AI users are something else, heard a guy in the grocery aisle asking chatgpt what kind of pasta to buy.
Ankylosaur
Sam Altman hates this one weird trick
SubiBryant
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dTExMG83OW8xYzVjOXdqdnZiNWowaXk5ZGcwcmp5bXUxcHYydDZ1dyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Tq2tPTrQANKfK/200w.webp
BeachsideBarghest
Sam Altman and his ilk are a threat to humanity
FoxPesdassi
This happened to me once. I was wondering how many digits of pi I knew, and realized that I knew it to five decimal places, 3.14159.
Then a little gnome in my head said, "two six five four."
"No," I said, "as far as I know, pi is equal to 3.14159."
"Two six five four", the gnome repeated.
I whipped out my calculator, poke poke . . . 3.141592654dammit.
tekcor
I'm pretty confident this is satire, but what's scarier is replace "ChatGPT" with "God" and you've just described far too many people.
MaybeGandhiWasRight
I love using God
GeneralWho
Oh...oh no.
ILogInToUpvote
jfc I hope this is satire...
ToasterDent
What do you mean? You don't have conversations in your head?
mksu
Definitely seems like either that or trolling.
somerandomusernamebecauseididntlikemyoldone
I would have thought some years back, but I really wouldn't put anything past people these days.
mksu
It's not impossible It's sincere, but it's a bit too on the nose imo when nobody posting online has lived their entire life with AI.
EverNotRelevant
Poe's Law strikes again.
CallMeCourierSix
Unfortunately there's a really good chance it's not.
etherbunny41
I am eextremely confident that's what this is.
IHateTransphobes
I've seen too much stupidity to be confident that it's satire.
Snooj
This has to be fake.
marsilies
It reads like satire. It's a subtle "you know, you can think for yourself instead of asking ChatGPT about every little thing that happens in your life" jab.
Shaddak
If the "bicameral mind" bit is a reference to the ideas in this book, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind , it's not a well supported idea.
nikinnorway12
it's complete nonsense is what it is.
McKittyNuts
It is supported sorta well in specific civilizations but as a general theory it falls apart.
IlluminaBlade
The idea that genetically modern humans had a second "not you" voice telling you what to do and that a magic switch flipped randomly a few thousand years ago and everyone's mind just swapped to a new operating system is kinda far fetched.
tollerscream
It's not a magic switch, the idea would be that it would be some sort of threshold, possible tied to population, where if the population was too high in one area (think first cities), and therefore too heterogenous, you can't all have the same delusion anymore, and you realize you can't all be listening to gods if they're saying different things. This can explain local gods and pantheons, as the shift slowly developed towards the voice just being yours.
SnappyCrunch
Sure, but the idea that people think differently isn't controversial. Some people think in words, others in pictures, others in amorphous concepts. Some people can picture things in their mind's eye, others can't. Some people have no issue conceptualizing math problems intuitively, others really struggle with it.
It's not hard to imagine people having a bicameral mind because children do it all the time with imaginary friends. /1
SnappyCrunch
We live in a (western) society that says "Honey, that friend is imaginary. It's not real, even though it feels real to you. You'll outgrow your imaginary friend one day". What if you lived in a society where you were told "Hooray! The voice you hear is the local god / household ancestor spirit! They're talking to you now!" You'd be a lot more likely to keep hearing it, and to keep wanting to hear it. Not everyone would, but more people would want to, and more people would pretend to. /2
UmmonPrime
So he's having a conversation with himself like normal people do?
TomahawkJackson
It's Reddit satire. That the X poster either missed, or (more likely) deliberately ignored in favor of pot-stirring.
CaldariBob
McKittyNuts
No, its a nerdy joke. Bicameral minds are theorized to be two separate voices in one’s head. One is considered a “god” one is considered “you”. Part of the theory is that as societies became more complex the two voices combines into the way we currently experience consciousness.
VagrantKoba
I actually have a bicameral mind. Sleep me and awake me can actually comverse. It does happen when I am awake, but usually when I am not actively focused.
ToasterDent
Jokes on them, in my head both voices are a god and both are me!
tentacularfleshscape
GrandmasterSpank
There are people with no voice int heir head.
IlluminaBlade
I don't know the effects on comprehension but I imagine they typically read faster without an inner voice forcing them to "speak" everything in real time.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
A shockingly high percentage, to be honest.
TripleDane
and people with WAY TO MANY voices in their head... somebody should study the average and se how that pans out
foreverinchains
Their internal monologue is just the sound of a potato rotating in a microwave.
sunyudai
No sound at all.
Thinking more like legos: pick up concept A, attach it to concept B, get shape C, consider implications of C until C becomes its own block.
Remember the various blocks and use them to assemble your thoughts.
zigbigidorlu
McKittyNuts
Yeah, it seems almost inconceivable to me. The crazy thing is, us internal monologue people actually do go stretches of silently processing stuff but we kinda don’t see it/remember it really. Kinda like when you forget how you drove home, you kinda just autopiloted it. Consciousness is frightening and weird
GrandmasterSpank
I have heard people tell about how they drove home (safely) on 'autopilot' but have no recollection of it. I have never had that experience. I am 100% aware every second of the day till I go to sleep. But the second I wake up I'm 100% aware again. I also "dont dream". They say everyone dreams so I probably do, but I have never remembered a dream. So thats my... silent time?
CorrectMostOfTheTime
It’s not really auto pilot you are aware in the moment but your brain just immediately deletes the memory as it serves no purpose so you are left with a how didI get here moment.
stupidbastardinutah
I thought I was the only one like that. Crazy.
diemajorthrilldie
I have the same 100% awareness/never remember my dreams thing except I get panic attacks when I'm in busy areas and when that happens and I need to get somewhere I hand control to the committee in my head and take a back seat for the duration. I walked a mile to work recently after my wallet was stolen and didn't have money for the bus and didn't remember more than twenty seconds of it.
GrandmasterSpank
That sounds like an even shittier version of what I have :P
UmmonPrime
hmmm... that sounds blissful to be honest.
GrandmasterSpank
I was anxious, doc gave me some pills. 30 minutes later, total silence in my head. Lasted half a day. It was beautiful. I really really really want to have those pills again but doc says no they are addictive. But I still remember the silence.
UmmonPrime
i'll take 30 minutes. I don't want it to go away, just chill a bit.
GrandmasterSpank
Well there was silence in my head but I was able to do stuff. I think I mowed the grass for the first time in 10 years.
psugab
What pills?
GrandmasterSpank
I think Oxazepam.
ArchaeoEejit
The pills or the silence is addictive?
GrandmasterSpank
What Bernie said.
BernieDid911
Yes