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https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked
Too many bullet ballots
Percentages too high for bullet ballots in swing states
35 billion to 1 probability he would win 7 out of 7 with less than 50% of the vote.
We know they had access to the machines after 2020 election
Added their own code
Starlink !
The fix is in.
Less than a half a million votes needed.
They screamed so loud last time that it couldn't happen this time?
So we look at what history has foretold us.
No one wants to hear it.
Is there fight left for democracy?
Only you can decide if your willing to give up.
wythra
also really need a reputable (or non reputable but massive?) media distributor to pick it up if it's going to gain enough traction for "someone" (who, idk) to do something about it.
MyBigMouth
There should be recounts in suspect counties, if someone tries to block it, then their motivations for wanting to do so should be questioned. If they've nothing to hide then they should welcome a recount to prove the validity of the count and instil confidence in the system.
Treius
people cried that 2020 was compromised and it was investigated. If people have credible information that 2024 was compromised, it should be investigated as well. If those investigations say it wasn't, then we're good.
VibratingNipples
I demand a recount
nasukkin
As a Computer Scientist who just finished reading all of this, if it's true, then just wow. The incompetence to have the data skewed so wildly from past years' norms is what we in the industry would call "fucking bonkers."
This election was crazy and it probably did have a few odd albeit legitimate statistics about it. But the numbers reported here, if accurate, are utterly damning. A manual recount of ballots must occur.
nasukkin
Like, I had to go back and re-read some of this, because it's so nutty. I worry that the average citizen doesn't have the basic understanding of statistics to understand just how crooked this data looks. It would be out of place in a work of fiction, you'd call the writer lazy if it looked like this.
UseYourVoice
I already sent a letter to Kamela Harris' office via rush order asking her to call for a hand-done recount. If you want to do the same, her address is
The White House
Office of the Vice President
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20500
You can also use this form:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/vicepresident/
jtxyz
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So I just can't get jazzed about this until something...anything...is proven.
The instant this type of attack shows up one time anywhere then all bets are off and it's full recount by hand everywhere with anything else delayed to enforce it.
But until then...meh? Don't get me wrong - absolutely recount things. It'll either show fraud or prove trump won, both of which are useful outcomes. I fully support recounts, cuz it's just auditing
ZeroZeroZombie
I need a better source and something more than would or could in indicating actions taken. I would personally be very happy if the fraud was found and Trump was found to actually have lost the race, but my hopes are low.
OliverOtter
The source:
taez555
Given we know for a fact that Trump tried to cheat in 2020, using fake electors and whatnot, it's best we just let this one go. No need to ask the questions or even look into it. If you can't trust a convicted felon who has motivation to cheat if he lost, who can you trust? Unless we have all the evidence now, we're just as bad as the right wing conspiracy theorists. /SBNRIMOAHTOS
GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
Yup, I find it very suspicious, but you are right; we can't be like them. On the other hand, if hard evidence of cheating does come to light, I hope justice is served.
moswald0000
Sadly, no.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/17/2286795/-Senate-Election-Results-and-the-Search-for-Bullet-Ballots-Day-11
theInfinitelyProlonged
One article has a bazillion times more evidence than T, Rudy, the pillow guy, and all the other 2020 deniers combined.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
And you *still* have American Leftists here and elsewhere tripping over themselves to complain that those claims are a bad look after the Republicans' prior ones or rolling over and deciding that it doesn't matter either way because nothing good will ever happen anymore.
Makes you wonder how many of them are paid shills trying to foster apathy. So much for calling the French "surrender monkeys". Cars would be burning by now if this happened over there.
TyrionLannisterIsMySpiritAnimal
My pessimistic ass sees this as one of two things: either team douche cheated/played dirty (like they have been for 40~ years), or those among us with brains are grasping at straws for any reason to not have everything go tits up. Regardless, watch a big old nothing come of this. Rant over
waeraj
Now this is the kind of thoughtfulness in was hoping would finally come out of all these discrepancies
loedout
I want (so badly) for this to be true, but it seems fake. From what I can gather from the swing states official sites, I don't see where they are getting the 11% bullet ballot number from. It appears to be more in line with the 1% (claimed) average. Also, they list sources for some random info, but not for the claims they are making? Lastly, Planet Critical is the only one publishing this massive story? It doesn't pass the smell test.
aristera
I'm sure someone will get right on this.
YouCantSpellSlaughterWithoutLaughter
Musk Rat is all like "No, it's ok for us to deny the results of an election, but when you do you must be punished!"
Get fucked with a cactus, Edge Lord.
Illinifan88
I think it's natural to want to hope that the election was stolen. The simple truth is we are a failing country and superpower. The vast majority of Americans wanted this or didn't care enough to vote.
Ultimately, "American Exceptionalism" is what did us in. We've had it too easy for too long, and people can't even comprehend the fact that we could very well be on our way out right now. They think of the election as a meme rather than the very foundation of our country.
wisher1977
There was evidence of election tampering back in 2016 and yet those in the Obama administration did nothing to raise it as a concern, before he left office. Look up Reality Winner. She and there were others in the intelligence community, that raised the concern of Russia interfering with our elections then. It really makes me wonder why Obama did nothing about it then and why Harris and Biden are doing nothing about it now.
CeruleanK
A Democrat will never entertain a suggestion that elections are anything but infallible, because they cannot imagine any suffering worse than when they were called "Sore Loserman" in 2000.
ChronicBitRot
The Obama administration did lots about Russian election interference in the very limited time they had to deal with it, it's not even hard to find out about it.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2016/12/29/presidents-response-russias-actions-during-2016-election-what-you-need-know
merxman
This is all built on the foundation of the bullet ballots. So step 1 before I would believe remotely is show me official tabulations /1
merxman
From the relevant states or counties showing the high percentage of bullet ballots, and compare that to 2020, 2016, 2012, etc. officially.
fractalsphere
Bring it court. Get it f*cking done already or else this is just smoke and BS
nasukkin
Trump will brag about it by the end of January if it's true. If court proceedings don't start and conclude within the next few weeks, it will not matter what evidence is brought to light or in which court.
LunarEntropy
Coming back to say Trump did in fact brag about it towards the end of January "Elon knew those computers better than anybody..." etc
IgnoreMeImProbablyDrunk
The court that was (checks notes) stuffed with Trump loyalists from 2016?
LoudBirb
No. The courts in the states where the fraud supposedly happened. Cases never start with SCOTUS. What's more, if the case it found to have merit, the initial judge could refuse to order the evidence to be sealed or censored, which means it'd be out there for everyone to see.
Foxplay
The court that (checks notes) did literally fucking nothing about someone doing a literal coup?
AFSamizdat
That also (checks notes) did nothing to support his lies of winning the 2020 election.
n0n53n53
The court that just basically dropped the entire 34 felony counts ? That court? Or the one packed with republican justices taking bribe money from oligarchs? This will be for the historians to unpack, nothing will happen
fractalsphere
Wait did they delay or cancel sentencing?
n0n53n53
They didn't official "drop charges" but they just said they're going to delay sentencing for pretty much eternity https://www.reuters.com/legal/what-comes-next-trumps-hush-money-criminal-case-2024-11-18/
LoudBirb
Well... yeah, you can't "drop charges" post conviction, as the conviction itself changes then to... well... convictions. Only way to get rid of those now is via pardon. Specifically pardon from the governor of New York.
n0n53n53
yeah who gives a shit if you're convicted of 34 felonies if you never have any consequences?
n0n53n53
Just wanted to circle back on this..
https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-new-york-fraud-trial-merchan-rcna180979
ElbowDeepInAJedi
Remember when the Heritage Foundation leader and one of the key architects of Project 2025 said "I come full circle on this response and just want to encourage you with some substance that we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be." Just a traitor talking traitor things about traitor goals.
DebbieDangle
Traitors gonna trait.
JunkMonk
Remember, we are targets of propaganda as well. Russia isnt satisfied with Trump winning, they want us to remain angry. Take these rage pieces from no-name outlets with a grain of salt
djangojazz
As a developer it is very easy assert an action taken and display it for 'debugging' purposes on a test environment. If someone cannot do that or a very basic level they are just wishing at data. I watched Mike Lindell and his reveal and it was a complete joke of showing FileZilla and purportedly seeing an SQL Server Reporting Services (WTF would they use that for vote tabulation?) 'missing files'. It was an obvious circus and everyone that knew software could tell.
rfleming1080
Until actual evidence is found and gets pushed to a court, nothing will be done.
Someone was able to steal the document about Gaetz, but they can't steal any evidence of this actually happening?? I agree that things don't add up, and people basically confessed, but without proof, it means nothing.
Mike Johnson was said to be the key behind this. Someone needs to hack into his stuff and find out.
hyperchondriac
I would say it's more likely a GOP member gave access to a spy to keep the Gaetz info as Kompromat. Pretty clear several members of Congress are working for the Russians.
NKato
The problem is that the election officials won't do a hand count of how many ballots were accepted, and compare that to the number of votes actually cast. This is what an audit is supposed to do.
hellospacemonkey
The key is that even if all 6-7 swing states declare problems, the house (lead by Johnson) could still vote to install Trump.
wadatahmydamie
There is a solution to that issue, however
blaghart
There was record voter registration but 8 million FEWER votes were counted than in 2020. Hows that for evidence?
wadatahmydamie
It’s a dot, but we need hard evidence to connect it to the others
blaghart
check the other comments, there are more dots.
wadatahmydamie
I know. I’ve been talking about this story for a while now.
There are a lot of dots. We need hard evidence to connect them, or this is for nothing.
It’s already an uphill climb based on the reactions to the last couple of elections Republicans have stolen - but this is the first one where I’ve seen a plausible explanation that involves actual hacking.
xaddak
It's... it's not
blaghart
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/07/republicans-are-trying-rig-2024-way-they-claim-2020-was-rigged/
blaghart
Its not evidence that an investigation should be performed on an election where despite RECORD VOTER TURNOUT the vote totals were less than 2020? How about the fact that Trump won by ~110,000 votes in every swing state? How bout the fact that the GQP SAID they were going to rig this election for the past 4 years?
Bojovnik84
The fact that 3 states, which total 80 EC votes with TX, FL and MO; did not let poll watchers in their state. Automatic recount investigation needed.
blaghart
And we already know Florida rigged one election in favor of the Republican candidate back in 2000. Plus Moscow Mitch's 2020 election was likely rigged: https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/
blaghart
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/democrats-grow-concerned-republicans-are-planting-seeds-legal-suits-ov-rcna168961 with republicans every accusation is a confession
blaghart
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/trump-claims-2024-will-be-rigged-putting-republican-turnout-at-risk-830b213d
acetothermus
I just... I don't live in a swing state but my desire to fight this is very strong. What do I do?
Redyls
id start by getting this in front of everyone you could and writing letters to the white house and anyone who would listen that is in the government
OejaNegra
I'd like this to be true and bring real consequences for the orange turd & co., but the part that it's hard to believe is... some experts claim something that went 100% undetected by the NSA, CIA, FBI or any other similar agency? hard to believe, except if you are totally nuts and believe they are full of pro Trump guys who are working for him.
FrolickingFrolicking
2/3 of the agencies you mentioned don’t (legally) investigate US citizens or only by connection to foreigners/foreign communications. I don’t think CIA or NSA would know jack about a scheme like this, unless it was connected to foreigners
OejaNegra
I'm not american so I don't know exactly the boundaries of those agencies, that's why I said "...any other agency". Assuming you're right, are you telling me that prior to an election, there's no group of competent professionals who take care of all the machines involved in the process so the voters have the confidence that everything will work as expected and nothing shady was going to happen during the election day?
DukeLetoofDune
We had warnings about 911 but they were ignored. It's not crazy to think that all those branches are understaffed and over worked or just focused on other things that this slipped by them. Also CIA is foreign, it would be FBI and NSA. But that's the beauty of conspiracy theories, it's all bullshit until it's not. Think of Watergate, no one knew it was going on until two reporters broke that story.
Monocular0
This is conspiracy theory stuff, but consider this: if the government has evidence that our election can be stolen, they have every incentive to keep it under wraps. It would completely erode Americans’ faith in the democratic process and make us a bigger target for foreign interference. They may have decided that 4 years of Trump is less harmful to the country than revealing that a US election can be hacked.
OejaNegra
No, sorry, I don't buy it. I genuinely believe if that was the case, enough decent people inside every department where the "truth" is known would be leaking all the info available to the traditional and social media so the public knows what's going on. A secret as big as that it's impossible to keep inside "four walls" in a world where Internet exists and pretty much everyone have a cellphone to leak audio/video/docs/etc.
Unfortunate500
Throughout the day, they randomly select batches *AFTER* the machine has counted them and hand-count to check. Every machine is checked multiple times and randomly. There is no way to know in advance if a batch is going to be checked.
Nothing in this article would circumvent that. It reads like someone with a minimal understanding of computers and networks trying to say hacking is easy.
It has the "building a nuclear bomb is easy if you have the plutonium!" kind of feel to it.
whydontwelookatsomedatainsteadofarguing
Do you have a source for that? That makes a lot of sense, I just want to have a firm footing for believing it.
Unfortunate500
You have to look at a specific voting system and compare it to their claim to see exactly where it falls flat. They aren't talking about Virginia (my state), but I can show you how it would fail there. The "plan" is to add fake people to the poll book and then add fake votes to the machines. Our machines are optical scanners for paper ballots. Every paper ballot has to be accounted for, blank, messed up, or used. If you just add the votes to the electronic systems, the official can't certify /
Unfortunate500
the result until he can explain how he handed out 1500 ballots and the machine counted 2000 votes.
The "hack" requires compromising two different systems. The machines have a chain of custody and are not allowed to ever be connected to the internet.
So the claim that they hacked multiple systems and also compromised chain of custody at thousands of locations to install hacks physically...all without a single person getting caught...that needs more evidence.
bitemark
With articles like these, I start with the domain name. Planetcritical.com? Never heard of it.
etcnotect
It appears she is a freelance journalist with an eponymous podcast. Looks like she has written articles for The Guardian and Al Jazeera, amongst others.
sentx
Building a bomb is actually easy if you have plutonium. The hard part is turning it into a device that will go prompt critical.
BringBackZachBraff
Amen. I am blue, but some of the statements were ridiculous. Like, “there’s no way to know if it was connected to the internet”. Admittedly, I’ve never worked on one, but I have worked on air-gapped systems. There is no reason to connect these devices to any network.
BimblyBoyBentley
The way I read the article is that they are not air-gapped systems but that the systems don't connect to the Internet when the machine is tabulating. I remember hearing a red hat talk about air-gapped systems being hacked with a microphone using the sound the electronics make. The example I'm thinking of used the noise from the systems RAM but the microphone had to be within three feet of the system.
BimblyBoyBentley
Those are two different thoughts that I forgot to separate lol
Iwouldbenick
As a network expert I can say this article explains dick. I also hate the word "hack".
There is no information on how a vulnerability may be exploited. I wouldn't be surprised if something sinister was at play. But don't Josh my chain Mr spoonandfork
KenKorte
Agreed, I replied something similar on IG to an "expert", it would take dozens of people in hundreds of districts to even attempt to place a fw level instruction. And even then, anyone who's ever volunteered for elections would know the security that goes into securing and randomly verifying. I almost wish it was that easy, but reality is most people voted for this, or decided it wasn't worth the effort. (The real reason for Trump)
Valthek
But it's also an easily verifiable claim: a historic 10x increase in a metric is wild and should probably be investigated, regardless of what side you fall on. If the youth vote suddenly went from 20% to 40%, you'd want to know why, no matter the outcome. This is 5x that (if the claim is true) and can be verified with a relatively simple hand-count. It doesn't even have to be something malicious. A bug in the software that eats the downballot votes in certain scenarios could explain this change.
MapleSyrupMafia
Eric's father wasted a lot of taxpayers money with his big lie, might as well recount everything by hand, not like that money will be there anymore once he's in office. I'm not American, but seeing him go from winning to losing would bring me joy. I'm not too optimistic, but one good news in politics would be nice.
dohcohv
Throw in that EVERY state shifted red(mostly because of a decrease in blue voters) not just swing states.
They all use different machines, ballots, and procedures you would have to rig 50 different state elections across hundreds of counties and thousands of precincts to get the results we did, and you would have to make sure no one talked about it.
Or
Slightly more people would rather vote for a man, no matter how corrupt, than a black/Asian woman.
Imalwaysready
Yep. This is one of the main counterpoints for me. It isn't like suddenly he did an unexpected swing state sweep, but the country shifted red EVERYWHERE. In EVERY demographic. And on issues that A LOT of people have said were important to them—if they really should be or not.
This scheme WOULD leave detectable fingerprints. Not just on counts, but there'd have been balloon dumps of strangely-aligned votes right at the end, or else people showing up to vote and being told they already had.
HostMigrationPleaseWait
Also this assumes Elon is capable. Of anything. Which he is clearly not
HostMigrationPleaseWait
Occams razor ftw, unfortunately. Also thought about the number of people involved to not talk about it seems unlikely
gsynth
"America cannot possibly be this bad" says man ignoring every sign that America has always been this bad.
Kingdomonsterdeath
You don't need to recount all 50, just the swing states. If it turns out those bullet ballots are fake and some of the swing states went to Kamala, there could be a dem presidency. That would hurt them so badly.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
It really is hard to believe he actually won, what with his terrible debate performance with Harris and the dancing and the hitler bullshit and being absolutely batshit demented for the whole summer and Jan 6th and the 34 felonies and vance with his donuts and how amped people seemed to want to vote for Harris and Walz, to had him win in such a decisive manner, I can't.
TheOvy
Christ, this reads exactly like the MAGA bullshit from 2020. There's even a common retort to that last bullet point when we were responding to MAGA's "voter fraud" claims four years ago: "Oh yea, sure, we rigged the presidency but forgot to rig the downballot races. Woops!" It's so stupid. This election was not stolen. We have a real illness in this country, and we can't heal it by ignoring it. Americans voted for this. We have to understand that, if we hope to dig ourselves out of this mess.
ForTheBestReally
I mean, I’m not holding my breath for this investigation to fix anything. Or do really anything at all. And even if there was MASSIVE fraud and it does turn out that there’s an argument to overturn the election and that doesn’t spark a civil war all on its own… there was still faaaaar too close to half of America that was fully bought into his bullshit. And just like you’re saying we can’t ignore that because that’s the scariest part about all this. We’ve got rot in our veins as a country
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Have*
Imalwaysready
First, it sadly isn't hard to believe.
It was NOT the outcome I *wanted* but it is believable. In the lead-up to the election, ALL the red flags, warning signs, and data saying trump was going to surge were there. The left just didn't want to see it.
Second, for 90% of the things on that list, who cares? Those literally don't mean anything. All that was PR; propaganda BS being spooned out. This rally is full and that one is not? Who the fuck cares? A bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing.
nowinvisibly
The ONLY reason I believe this is that it took less than 12 hours to declare the winner. Every other election prior took much, much longer. Elmo being smug beforehand and declaring victory hours before stinks of fraud. Hell everything this asshat has done this election was unethical at best to illegal at worst. Does anyone think he wouldn't try something to gain power? I don't know if I can hope something comes out of this. 😞
dorpjorp
He was trying to stay out of prison. He was joking about it with Tucker.
Monocular0
He is so bad I keep remembering other things that should have resulted in him getting pummeled in the election, on top of all the other stuff that should have disqualified him. Like I honestly forgot about how he stole those boxes of classified documents and showed them off to foreign nationals at his country club, then refused to return them when asked. And I was already in disbelief he won the popular vote before I remembered that.
YeastInfectedWhiskerBiscuit
It was clear the second Harris took on the candidacy that Trump never had a chance. Even if Biden had stayed and ran he still would have won easily. Trump is just THAT disgusting to THAT many people. The writing wasn't just on the wall since the last election, the entire country was painted in Democratic blue. It was so easy to spot and see through all the right-wing propaganda. The election was 100% stolen and we're 100% screwed.
Muffyns
And democrat party isnt even gonna contest it they chose to give up and die instead.
duffman3335
I see it like this: OF COURSE, he cheated. It would have been wholly out-of-character for him to NOT cheat. That man has never done an honest thing in his life.
SavageDrums
The republican party has cheated in every election since at least 2000, it's insane to think they just ran a clean campaign this time
cytherians
There was a clear referendum to shut Trump down in 2020, as evidenced by the voter turnout. This was BEFORE his crimes had come to light (fake elector scheme plot, classified documents theft). By 2024, Trump was looking far worse than he did in 2020. How do fewer people turn out to vote against him, when the impetus to vote against him was so much higher?
This makes no sense. Unless disinformation campaigns were far more effective than we realized.
gobblinal
People not voting for Harris because of Israel. Because letting Trump in is going to solve that problem SO much better!
Mahabazu
Targeted social media disinformation campaigns selling irrational emotions are REALLY effective. Especially when its the primary-- or even the only-- source of information.
TheOvy
Same reason people voted in 2008 in record numbers, only to dwindle by 2012: four years of disappointment significantly reduced enthusiasm, even as Obama was plainly better than Bush. Also, American voters are notoriously forgetful. Bush's approvals shot up after he left office at around 28%. Trump's approvals improved, too. The fact is, most people aren't paying attention. They saw high grocery receipts, blamed Biden/Harris, and went along with their lives.
kevlargorilla
The price of groceries doubled, and Kamala did nothing to show how she would be different from Biden, and get normal people who aren't plugged in online to go and vote. Any republican could have run and won.
Monocular0
Any Republican maybe, but this guy specifically… it is HARD to believe he won legitimately. I will believe it if the evidence is there, but I am more ready to believe there were shenanigans than the electorate is that easily manipulated.
Everyonesfavorite
This makes me sad, but I believe a lot of people fell for this: biden Harris Walz bad for economy, Trumps americas only way back to a good economy.🤢🤮💔
RetrogradeLlama
They need to get into a court with evidence and get and order to check closer. Otherwise it’s a parallel to The Pillow Guy.
IjustsaywhatIthink
Lets NOT sound like them. Prove it or shut up.
Forensickle
We WON'T sound like them, we have always required burden of proof to be on the one making a claim, they always preferred the opposite. Maybe we SHOULD have sounded more like them, and maybe we wouldn't be here
Billis75
Yeah, I always said in 2020 that they have an easy way to show a rigged election. If someone had real evidence, that would make them a national hero if it was proven in court, so why would they not go there? Because if they don't really have evidence, they would go to jail, so they just say what they want on Fox and get paid.
jimicus
Legal systems don't (generally) let someone random sue on behalf of someone else. Trump can sue for his own benefit (claim he won); you can't sue for his benefit. Which means Harris has to start the legal ball rolling. And there's little evidence she's inclined to do so.
Billis75
I agree. I think people, generally, are people. So if the Harris people want to differentiate themselves, they have to be intellectually honest. If it's just rumors in the media, I won't pay attention. Go into court. Guiliani went to court in PA, but if you read the transcripts, he explicitly says he's not in there to report fraud of any kind, just to turn in some affidavits from people. Then he can leave the court, claim "conspiracy!" and grift.
Imalwaysready
Yep. The standard remains the same, strangely, even if it was "my side" that lost.
There are some interesting patterns here, IF accurate to begin with, but MOST of this is speculation and supposition and incredulity. If you have solid, convincing evidence, take it to court and put it out publicly. Until then, it's just an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.
unluckyandbored
And they need to do it NOW.
Foxplay
If you have any faith in the court's after not doing fuck all for 4years to hold Trump accountable for literally doing a coup then I don't know what to tell ya....
coastercrazypics
The courts are compromised unfortunately.
letsloveeachother
I read this column and it contains no evidence of a hack.
roach
What evidence?
JStengah
One of the experts is the same guy who was an "expert witness" for people claiming the election machines in Ohio were hacked in 2004.
https://www.alternet.org/2008/08/voting_machines_can_never_be_trusted_says_gop_computer_security_expert
When it was just good old fashioned legal disenfranchisement that caused Kerry to lose the state. https://www.motherjones.com/media/2005/11/recounting-ohio/
RetrogradeLlama
I'd heard that. But the real issue I see is that statistical flukes are interesting, maybe even indicative, but they are not evidence. They need to dig deeper. It _might_ be enough to get a judge to let them dig deeper.
Imalwaysready
Exactly. "These things didn't follow the usual pattern" simply isn't enough—especially not now. Almost nothing in 2016, 2020, or 2024 has followed the usual patterns.
Something this big would leave detectable fingerprints beyond "more bullet ballots than usual." And it shouldn't take too much digging to find them since we know what sort of thing we'd be looking for.
Enoan
But it is 100% enough to give food cause for a recount. But I am weary of "actually it was fake" being more interference. The left isn't immune to propaganda.
LuminoZero
All of this occurring naturally is statistically comparable to winning the lottery every day for the next 3 years.
QuartzPoker
{{Citation needed}}
QuintinParry
This is another assertion without facts. As it's been stated beforehand it might be worth looking into but it in and of itself is not evidence. It might be time to accept that the majority of Americans are just garbage.