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nocommennts
It's a different article
BiffaBoffa
"Triggers broom" is the modern representation
ciaron
in9119iwas
an army of AI editors, working together with a purpose can wreak havoc on any wikipedia article. Better download the total database today and keep it for reference.
yeahyeahyeahwhatevs
Triggers broom in the UK!
ghotioguts
I think we're on to a winner here Trig! Alright? Play it nice and cool, son! Nice and cool, you know what I mean?
Vorphalack
SeanSweat
Stolen
graipefruitforbrekfast
For me it was guy restoring a hammer, I felt then that it wasn’t the same
pixelsnader
Considering this is about the words being changed, shall we call this a Switch of Thesaurus?
SomeGiantIdiot
Rovylern
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
I want to start a musical group and call it Band Of Thesseus. We'll only play covers and is your leave the band, you can take the name with you.
kohlminer
Underoath?
BaklavaWearingBalaclavaWhilePlayingBalalaikaOnBlackLava
Band of Theseus, the songs never change but the band members do. 1000 years from now band of Theseus could still be going, or would it?
NotACanadian
So, Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Termalaen
Or Yes. Or Rainbow, once Richie kicks it
VicarDeaconBishop
We actually have laws that apply to this! Specifically for cars but also for boats (VIN vs HIN). First of all, your vehicle has the VIN stamped on the frame. If that goes? Not the same vehicle. Second, if the vehicle appears in any way different from the original vehicle, such as truck bed on an Impala, El Camino-style, it's a new vehicle. If you cut everything out from around the VIN and weld it into a new frame? Well the state bureau of investigation is going to want to have a talk with you.
executivedisfunction
Current cars often have VINs a number of places on the chassis and dash. Each state has differently worded laws, and histories of legal precedence. No flat statement covers all the possibilities.
hanniballectern
So it's the Wikipedia entry of Thesius?
lozeldatkm
Every cell in your body is different than the ones you were made of 10 years ago. Is your SSN no longer valid?
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titaniumsnail
Philosophy ignores a lot of science.
IAmASentientWaffle
Science literally comes from philosophy, and the word itself means love for knowledge. *Some* philosophy/philosophers may ignore *some* science, and very early philosophy was certainly often based in the supernatural, but the way you phrased it is extremely misleading and, well, ignorant.
titaniumsnail
Fair enough, but my point was closer to what you said regarding philosophy's role in early science vs today. It was a way to figure out the world back when we knew so little, but today I would argue its role is not as vital as modern science, and like you said, some philosophers will ignore scientific matters in favour of the philosophic no matter what, almost bordering to being spiritual in nature. But that is my personal view.
notabotandnotnotabot
The Microsoft Windows license is like the modem example. Registered to one computer. Change the graphics card. Microsoft: is this still the computer of Theseus or are you a pirate ship?
Astramancer
My license is ancient from many computers agos and several entire OS's ago. I'm not even sure if there's any *data* left from the original computer. The only hardware left is the CD drive that sees so little use it's still got the Wings of Liberty install disk in it.
Peffse
I think the only component replacement that ever required me to re-authenticate Windows was a motherboard swap. I vaguely recall that you could change up to 3 major components over 6 month rolling period without triggering, but the motherboard contains 3+ so it automatically flags an activation request. I'm pretty sure I've completed the Ship of Theseus paradox two times with my computer.
ladylambi
Yeah happened with my motherboard swap. And then my digital license refused to transfer even after following MS help article. So I have since then definitely not made another purchase cause that's some bullshit...
IMadeAnAccountForThisFuckingSobStory
There's a cmd code you can input that changes the lookup address for the authenticator to a website of your choosing. You can then use or set up a weppage that will simply receive the request and send back a "looks legit" I've done this the last time cause my ssd failed.
Armouredfalcon
yuup, and Microsofts opinion in the PC of thesus is the Motherboard swap is where its no longer the same PC. just had to go through this last month when I upgraded.
MadCat221
Then get a Retail license instead of an OEM license.
ojijocoyote
I heard that some rare classic cars that are total junkers can be sold at high price for the title alone.
Sometimes at least, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
SirChadwellHeath
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_Coddington#Later_financial_trouble
ojijocoyote
Thanks this is interesting. Sometimes the problem and the solution are the same, and we finally end up needing to make a distinction between relative and ultimate truths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9A%C5%ABnyat%C4%81
noccymcchunkchunk
In the UK that’s commonly referred to as “Trigger’s Broom” or the Trigger’s Broom Paradox https://youtu.be/56yN2zHtofM?feature=shared
KittensGivePaarthurnaxGas
Not even British and I immediately knew what this was about. Such a great show.
Vonph
Look after your broom
jinbee
Alright Dave
eaeaeaeaea
The bit is funny but it does raise an interesting question about the evolution of wikipedia pages, especially for topics that don't have much "new" content.
titaniumsnail
Oh you mean like how they still can't decide if the arachnophobia article should have a picture of a spider on it or not?
eaeaeaeaea
I was thinking more about how an article can change simply from how culture changes, both from politics and values but also from a linguistic standpoint. In 100 years we could have no real updates on the topic of "colorado plateus" but I imagine if the wiki article stayed the same, it would sound antiquated.
titaniumsnail
Fair enough, and interesting thought.
ZOMGNO
Is this a long term debate? It shouldn't. Every time i read an article about Vaccine Hesitancy... it has at least one photo of a needle going in. SHOW THE VIAL OR SOMETHING, WHAT THE HECK. Took me years to get over seeing the needles, don't put others through it... thats why a couple of them are fucking hesitant!
getadogupya
The phrase, "Ship of Theseus" is still there...
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Yeah and the physical Ship of Theseus retained the name..,
madeejit
The letters were swapped out, one by one.
Hatrax
It was originally titled "Brian's Boat."
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
So then "Ship of Theseus" is the true article about the Ship of Theseus?
bangbangbangbangbangbangbangban
Thusly demonstrating that it indeed does, remain the ship of theseus.
Heavenissize17socks
This is genius.
ProfessorDumbass
It now says Hips of the sus E
dalaiyoda
yes but the pixels rendering the title have changed
Hammertulski
And so have the people searching for the article and their reasons why.
spartanatreyu
Actually true since each browser back then has changed its text rendering and anti-aliasing algorithms since then.
Milkarius
I think that would match the "Ship of Theseus" still bearing the name "Ship of Theseus". The title of an article is more-or-less its name
getadogupya
getadogupya
All of the cells in our body are replaced, multiple times throughout our life... even the software within our brains changes constantly... but we remain the same individual, renewed.
GoodBrotherGrimm
But do we, from a philosophical standpoint?
SithElephant
That is technically not part of the article, but the title
hitdog42
Student reporter here: titles do not count towards word count of article
SithElephant
That was not quite the point. The title on wikipedia is pretty much the 'filename' - it is not dealt with in any way similarly to the body of the article, and is stored and edited in a completely different way.
fireclanninja1337
Good luck writing an article without a title.
Lichelf
You're acting like that's not very easy to do.
SithElephant
True. But the article is not the title any more than the ship of Thesius is the phrase 'the ship of Thesius'
BDSMThroatHugs
Theseus' ship
getadogupya
faeros
Not me, I'm half mermaid
jayman0123
Thought I smelled tuna
KiwiGameDev
Kinda like me! I’m one quarter dragon. That is to say I’m one half of a half-dragon