Shes an example of a female standing by her principals. Thus, getting black listed and not having as a spectacular actress career if she had played along.
He's since clarified that statement and you can read it on her Wikipedia page. "I remember on a commentary track on the DVD — Janeane Garofalo was in the movie and at one point I said it would have been better if she played the lead, which was a really shitty and stupid thing to say" - Kevin Smith
I can’t help but think that Friends would’ve been watchable if she had been in it. As it stands, I can’t even sit through five minutes of it. Just can’t.
To each their own, but I feel a big part of older shows not being as watchable today is the binge culture steaming services have been cooking up in the last decade. While nostalgia plays a part we use to have nearly a weeks worth of life in between episodes, a good show only had to be entertaining in the moment. There is also a greater demand serial shows vs episodic ones that once ruled TV so the formula gets stale quickly with continuous viewings. Though not the rule of thumb for every 1/2
show, take Home Improvement vs Seinfeld. you can boil both these shows down to their basic elements, Tim does something dumb, asks for advice, blunders his way through advice, all is forgiven. Jerry or someone gets hooked on a random thing, other events happen, Jerry is smug by the end. Both shows went on for a decade but I'd wager more people can quote Seinfeld than could remember any of the advice Wilson gave to Tim.
I really can't see her as a character on that show, not at all, she would have been miserable in that role I'll wager... as she's more of a character actor for film and the stage, and not much for *network* television in my opinion... HBO/Showtime, Netflix or other streaming television sure, but not the networks...
Well seeing as most actors are in it for the love of the craft and not the money, I'd have to I'd agree, sure once you made it the money's great, but most actors are fuelled by creating for a living, like most artists do.
"Although being in a movie that grossed $100 million DOES *lead to better roles*" ⇐ Indeed, hence better roles means better opportunities to create; money is simply a tool to be used, it should never be the end goal, for that, we get "actors" like sorbo! x^D
The thing that makes it an interesting bit of trivia to me is that both in-the-zeitgeist, career-making roles (one in TV & one in film) eventually went to the same person!
But speaking of money, Janeane should definitely be on Courteney’s Christmas card list.
I watched 'The Truth about Cats and Dogs' because she was in it. Same with 'Now and Then' she was the alt girl of my teenage dreams which ages me very much.
Legit the only character role that comes to mind. Everytime. Same with stiller, and that dude who got fired for voice acting apu...... no one asked for that! It's always as if that's what voice actors do, pretend to be some else.
Oh, I'm way too cynical to think remaking it would be a good idea, but putting in back in theaters for a cheap ticket would have been great. The tropes aged incredibly well.
My friend picked the VHS out of a prize box along with the concert tickets he won from the radio. Kept it in his car and whenever we hung out somewhere, it ended up being watched again. Probably watched it like 25 times in a year.
These roles were available before that… so what’s your point? I love her. Think she’s funny and everything she’s in is great, but wtf dies it matter if she was hard to work with before the war and also after?
The black listing was a separate note in the trajectory of her career, and the reason she didn’t get these roles wasn’t cause she’s difficult to work with
So uh....cancelled by the right wingers?? Ah true cancel culture. It's the same with an abusive narcissistic partner. If you disagree YOU are abusive to it. If you call it abusive YOU are being unreasonable. Now same with Israel's genocide.
Hollywood is full of people who are the product. As that, they get to shape their "brand". That's why I don't keep up with celebrities. It's all a facade and not worth following.
zeacorzeppelin10
I got worried she died for a second.
MeestowKitty
That would've been a very different show.
EmilyPseu
Wet. Hot. American. Summer.
If you haven’t seen it, stop what you’re doing and watch it now.
Blakeadelic
She had a funny part in Seinfeld.
Hey, what’s the deal with decaf? How do they get the caffeine out of there and then where does it go?
RevolutionOnHerLips
My first celebrity crush
dorkamatic
Man I had the hots for her back in the day.
StenYngve
That's like Tom Selleck and Harrison Ford
Rayplays
royrogersdoublerbarburger
There were no utensils in medieval times, therefore there are no utensils in Medieval Times.
vengledorf
But there was Pepsi?
swardinstone
Dude, I’ve got a lot of tables.
tocfanke4
I had a crush on her in high school. Loved her in Mystery Men
nachosyndicate
She’s too amazingly snarky for those roles.
aShogunNamedMarcus
She would bestow upon me all her wisdom of the Dewey Decimal System
GreenBar
She was great in the final season of The West Wing.
EricBetts
I don’t remember her in the 4th and last season. I will die on this hill that there were only 4 seasons.
wiltsjunk
I loved the 5th season
Neomechavoltron
Titan AE.
TheMayorOfTittyCity
Typical Cox blocking for ya
Snark42
I bet she totally said similar words at some point.
Misteree8
Shes an example of a female standing by her principals. Thus, getting black listed and not having as a spectacular actress career if she had played along.
d0nburto
pretty much. Fiona Apple too. but they are both incredible
Misteree8
Her too, and theres more im sure. Its still going to take generations to get back on track
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
That woman is an icon. Way more so than Cox.
SharkoutofWata
She’s as much of an icon as Star-Lord.
CarInAVet
...I have no idea who that woman is.
forsteri80
I mean, the 90s nerdy kid in me is way more attached to janeane, but this is clearly just not true
NeverShaveYourDuck
She'd not been a good Monica. With her dry wit delvery, she's like a female Chandler. She's very funny, but does Snarky better than Dorky.
AlmostClever
She was very funny in Wet Hot American Summer.
wantednokes
I believe she also went on a Expedition to Mt. Everest with Arin Hanson and not Dan Avidan
ArchonIlladrya
RUN THE INTRO AGAIN
sweateryams
I hear Dan Avidan is a stickler for pronunciation.
Sulexar
I've heard with no source that kevin smith wished he gave her the lead in Dogma since florentino was so difficult to work with.
ialoneambest
I read that as well.
Emjayen
froggyzoomzoomEABOD
One of the few movies I ever watched the directors commentary for is Dogma, and I think K Smith mentioned it in there. So what you said is correct.
DmNerd
He's since clarified that statement and you can read it on her Wikipedia page. "I remember on a commentary track on the DVD — Janeane Garofalo was in the movie and at one point I said it would have been better if she played the lead, which was a really shitty and stupid thing to say" - Kevin Smith
Jawesome19
Mystery men and maybe I've seen her in stand up comedy? I can't think of anything else but I also didn't even remember Courtney cox was in scream
DoubleBeryl
Wet Hot American Summer!
ialoneambest
Netflix revised it as a mini-series in 2017: "Wet Hot American Summer: 10 Years Later."
P0sit1veTh0ughts
She’s in all 6 films as Gale Weathers…so..wow.
RevolutionOnHerLips
I only remember because there's a meme showing off her absolutely terrible bangs that gets posted here occasionally
PrfctDrk
She played one of Jerry's girlfriends on Seinfeld!
pareidoliaperson
Who didn't?
tentacularfleshscape
The clone, great episode
PrfctDrk
The Invitations
tentacularfleshscape
Yeah idk the EP name, meant clone just as in Jerry clone
PrfctDrk
Oops, yes! "That's a shame" lol
bennux
And Dave Nelsons psycho ex on News Radio!
searching4somewhere
I really loved her in 'Janeane Garafolo's Expedition to Mt. Everest'
ArchonIlladrya
Expediction?
Gingrish
God damnit RUN THE INTRO AGAIN
wantednokes
Starring Arin Hanson
sweateryams
Also starring Daniel Avidan who is a stickler for pronunciation.
FullMetalJackass
I can’t help but think that Friends would’ve been watchable if she had been in it. As it stands, I can’t even sit through five minutes of it. Just can’t.
rareunicornmeat
To each their own, but I feel a big part of older shows not being as watchable today is the binge culture steaming services have been cooking up in the last decade. While nostalgia plays a part we use to have nearly a weeks worth of life in between episodes, a good show only had to be entertaining in the moment. There is also a greater demand serial shows vs episodic ones that once ruled TV so the formula gets stale quickly with continuous viewings. Though not the rule of thumb for every 1/2
rareunicornmeat
show, take Home Improvement vs Seinfeld. you can boil both these shows down to their basic elements, Tim does something dumb, asks for advice, blunders his way through advice, all is forgiven. Jerry or someone gets hooked on a random thing, other events happen, Jerry is smug by the end. Both shows went on for a decade but I'd wager more people can quote Seinfeld than could remember any of the advice Wilson gave to Tim.
AmealsOnWheels
You don't deserve to be down voted. It's not a good show, and it definitely didn't age well.
wiltsjunk
Yeah I hated Friends. Also Big Bang Theory. But to each their own.
ShereeAnderson
She was great in The Matchmaker. What a cute movie.
rocinanteismyhorse
Came here to say exactly this. Love love love that movie.
flavord
10 kinds of cute and adorable.
Greymalum
God, I love thespians.
turbodog
usually in HD...
zeacorzeppelin10
To quote Rango "Thespians, that's illegal in seven states!"
MissSpelledTattoo
randomguy365
Obligatory thespian sex is weird
CeterumCenseo
They are only thespians if they come from the greek island of Thesbos, otherwise they're just sparkling actors.
Thismuchistrue
I prefer Homo Sapiens.
TZO2k15
I really can't see her as a character on that show, not at all, she would have been miserable in that role I'll wager... as she's more of a character actor for film and the stage, and not much for *network* television in my opinion... HBO/Showtime, Netflix or other streaming television sure, but not the networks...
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Yeah, she was on the Larry Sanders Show on HBO and she was great.
SaturnineCult
Yeah not everyone wants to be stuck in one role for eternity. These kind of posts always assume all actors care about nothing but money.
TZO2k15
Well seeing as most actors are in it for the love of the craft and not the money, I'd have to I'd agree, sure once you made it the money's great, but most actors are fuelled by creating for a living, like most artists do.
ialoneambest
Although being in a movie that grossed $100 million DOES lead to better roles, in bigger-budgeted films coming your way.
TZO2k15
"Although being in a movie that grossed $100 million DOES *lead to better roles*" ⇐ Indeed, hence better roles means better opportunities to create; money is simply a tool to be used, it should never be the end goal, for that, we get "actors" like sorbo! x^D
ialoneambest
I think you’re making assumptions yourself.
I didn’t mention money.
The thing that makes it an interesting bit of trivia to me is that both in-the-zeitgeist, career-making roles (one in TV & one in film) eventually went to the same person!
But speaking of money, Janeane should definitely be on Courteney’s Christmas card list.
LariCheltsy
Screwed by Cox at every turn.
CommentProvider
Bueno
salikarn
NeverDunNuffin
salikarn
sardonislamir
You can hear the ah, ah, no!
LaffertyDanie1
Just like OPs mom
ialoneambest
Hey! How did my mom & I get dragged into this!?
HashMaster9k
Nonopicard
Vamp13
I would also like to be screwed by Cox multiple times please
DiscountMentat
Affray
Hashbrown123
I started an I hate Cox chatroom. So far it is just me, a couple of interns, and thousands of lesbians.
Affray
ElbowDeepInAMoose
Affray
frischcode
kylefromterminator
Oh shit I forgot about that movie
brownribbon
Was that role originally offered to Courtney Cox?
dontfloatmygoat
No. Courtney Cox. Can’t you read? /s
Clayman8
Thank you, i couldnt place why i remembered her
TofuGolem
That movie is so underrated.
WiiShaker
That late 90s stank.
AngurProne
Mystery Men. For the uninitiated.
sacrosanctt
Circa '99 when it originated
PacManDreaming
Her best role. Well, this and "Reality Bites".
rareunicornmeat
I watched 'The Truth about Cats and Dogs' because she was in it. Same with 'Now and Then' she was the alt girl of my teenage dreams which ages me very much.
PacManDreaming
She and Winona Ryder definitely had my attention, back in the early '90s.
cactusjuiceitsthequenchiest
Help us understand why we should choose you, over all the other qualified applicants
minkuschild
Legit the only character role that comes to mind. Everytime. Same with stiller, and that dude who got fired for voice acting apu...... no one asked for that! It's always as if that's what voice actors do, pretend to be some else.
Clayman8
You mean Tugg Speedman?
DarthPiette
And Walter Mitty?
ElbowDeepInAMoose
Wrong, it's Derek Zoolander.
vindik8or
Hank Azaria? He didn't get fired, he just stopped voicing Apu. He still voices half the characters in that show.
Leithoa
"White guy voicing racist Indian trope" is one I'm ok with him stepping down from.
Turbogoat
Best Superhero movie ever.
TwoDogsFucking
HubicPairs
A gem from @TwoDogsFucking
jediknightswhosayni
One of my favorite movie moments. Love Mystery Men.
jonlancaster
There isn't enough beer in the world, Spleen.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry.
ApatheticApoplecticEpilepticAlopecic
You try and say pithy things, but your wit is a hindrance, so nothing comes out provocative
Theniyaal
Mystery Men was so underrated. If it had been re-released like ten years ago during the height of the superhero movie trend, it'd have done so well.
RuBisCO1
It's a comedy classic, leave it bet!
studog2010
"I shovel. I shovel really well."
Ryebread91
Idk. We'd have had a completely different cast then and I think it'd lost a lot of its charm and have cheap effects
sardonislamir
Fair, but the argument really is to say if nothing else were changed.
Theniyaal
Oh, I'm way too cynical to think remaking it would be a good idea, but putting in back in theaters for a cheap ticket would have been great. The tropes aged incredibly well.
Ryebread91
That they should've done.
IrrelevantHandle
Hell, they were playing a bunch of old movies during covid, never saw mystery men. Lots of matrix, for some reason.
Wolsel
My friend picked the VHS out of a prize box along with the concert tickets he won from the radio. Kept it in his car and whenever we hung out somewhere, it ended up being watched again. Probably watched it like 25 times in a year.
britdick
She was also black-listed by the networks for her stance on the Iraq war. Which, of course, she was completely right about.
smax410
These roles were available before that… so what’s your point? I love her. Think she’s funny and everything she’s in is great, but wtf dies it matter if she was hard to work with before the war and also after?
yamamasyamaha
The black listing was a separate note in the trajectory of her career, and the reason she didn’t get these roles wasn’t cause she’s difficult to work with
datphone777365
Tldr woosh.
Putitinyomama
Iranoutoftoiletpaper
I was wondering where she went
pareidoliaperson
So uh....cancelled by the right wingers?? Ah true cancel culture. It's the same with an abusive narcissistic partner. If you disagree YOU are abusive to it. If you call it abusive YOU are being unreasonable. Now same with Israel's genocide.
somnif
Huh, I assumed she was another Weinstein's "Difficult" women. Admittedly I've not thought all that much about her in years.
MadamPuddifoot
She and Woody
VaultGirl69
There's little satisfaction to be had regarding being right about terrible things. You'd rather you were wrong. Humans are painfully predictable.
VodkaReindeer
Not that predictable. I would have bet money that Hollywood was anti-war!
VaultGirl69
Hollywood is full of people who are the product. As that, they get to shape their "brand". That's why I don't keep up with celebrities. It's all a facade and not worth following.
Idontneedrealfacts
Welcome to Gen X. We have been fighting the boomers since the 70s.
Itsonporpoise
Born in ‘72. Can confirm.
Ultratoxic
Millennial: so we're not crazy, the Boomers really are the fuckin worst?
Datsinginguy
And the Iraq War... was played by Courtenay Cox
graehall
HAH
neonoptic
That actor's name? You guessed it. Frank Stallone.
wmnii
You deserve way more upvotes than you are getting, LOL.
4etherling
Janeane was offered the role but turned it down.
LeCroqueMonsieurDejeunerSandwich
Oh no, she actually was in it. She played the role of the WMDs.
ialoneambest
Have your point!