I went to UConn about a decade before she was there, but even in the late '90s, early 2000s, the women had won more recently than the men. They had won in 1995. Men didn't win until 1998. As a student in 1998, when the women had one national championship and were considered a powerhouse, and the men were good, but a little less prestigious, I could STILL get a cheaper price per game for the women's season ticket than the men. 2 bucks a game for the women and 5 for the men.
...wait, do they get rings for gold medals? I guess I always just assumed the medal was...well, the medal. Didn't need an accessory, it is the accessory.
"Championship rings are mostly confined to North American sports. Since only one championship trophy is awarded by the league to the winning team, championship rings are distributed as a memento for the players and team officials to keep for themselves to symbolize their victory. Winners' medals (and runners-up medals) are not awarded in North American professional sports" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Championship_ring
North America they went with rings instead of medals. The trophy goes to the team. I'm guessing players wanted something they could wear around town that was less conspicuously braggy than a medal.
Do you go to the WNBA games? P.S. They sell not even the quarter of the tickets that are sold in the NBA. So that has a reason which is: Nobody watches it.
Ok. So I'm trying to piece all this together... First, I see 10 rings in the photo. But from Wiki, I count 11 championships + 2 Olympic gold medals (which don't give out rings). She won 4 WNBA titles, 3 WCBA (China) titles, 2 EuroLeague titles, and 2 NCAA (College) titles.
It's possible there are rings there from individual honors? Or FIBA Gold Medal wins (2 Adult, 2 as a Junior)? Or possibly from winning a State title in High School, of which she won 3 of them + 1 national HS title?
Bill Burr had a bit about this. The Kardasians are billionaires because women watch them and care about them, meanwhile the WNBA athletes are awesome but dont have the same financial success because no one watches. Men dont watch the WNBA, but women don't either. https://youtu.be/oT6CwedFB6c?si=T_WaSqkuTYMrXfcn
Our WNBA team is the one team I don’t mind taxpayer-funding a stadium for.
When I worked in a print shop downtown, their office staff were the only sports team people were the only people who were nice to us. I think that speaks to the organizational culture.
Still don’t watch the games. But I have some logo merch and if you hold a gun to my head I’m a Lynx fan.
For instance, I never heard of this lady. Is she a current player? Why does Caitlin Clarke get all the ink if Maya Moore is the Michael Jordan of her time?
A lot of that is because people just don’t watch it, and therefore it isn’t promoted as much, meaning it gets less marketing funding, meaning it’s promoted even less because people aren’t watching the thing they don’t know about. It’s called a visibility paradox, and it’s only gotten worse with social media algos trending so hard into radicalising men for the right wing, which needs a lot of “MEN, FUCK YEAH” microdick-swinging content and coverage to work.
There's also another 'spiral', related to this one. They don't get paid as much as the men. Therefore, the same types will claim it must mean women are less talented. ....which keeps the salaries low, which.... you get the idea.
Doesn't help that some women's sports have rules that overtly sexualize them, kindve making the sport seem like a joke to anyone watching despite how much time, effort, and skill is being shown by the women. Now that women's sports are being targeted by radical crazies in America wanting to stick their hands down womens pants for "gender checks" (the fuckin weirdos), I can't imagine the situation getting better anytime soon
But they didn't blame men.. They didn't blame anyone in particular.
If your response to "people should do [x] more" is "so should women", you must not have thought women were included in people.. If that is what happened, you may want to check your biases because, imo, that is much worse than not giving credit to women for their athletic accomplishments.
I don't know why you're getting down vote but it's true. The main contributors to women's sport are men and even the women's leagues are subsidized by the mens team and wouldn't be able to operate without them as they use the same stadiums and venues.
Jeez, its almost like for decades and decades the sports industry has been targeted at men, designed to attract and cater to them and make women feel unwelcome as both participants and spectators....
Nah, must just be that women don't like sports, probably something to do with ovaries or something.
There are plenty of places and opportunities to support women's sports now so hiding behind that argument is getting old. There is almost no money in women's sport because there is no support.
People are all supportive online but have never actually supported women's sports in any shape or form. 99% have never bought a female athlete's jersey or fail to even name one.
Ronda Rousey made millions per bout at the height of her career. Way more than most men, because she had support from her fans.
The WNBA has been around since 1996, 30 years. The league is subsidized by the revenue from the men's NBA. To this day the WNBA rarely sells out, and gets terrible ratings on TV. The WNBA athletes are amazing, best in the world. You can blame men for not watching them i guess, but the women who arent watching them either. And it's a shame. (Like i said in a different comment, Bill Burr does a bit on this. The Kardasians are billionaires because women (in general) are watching them)
Because often times male players are better or in a more advantageous position based on things like height or weight, making them seem better or more impressive. So when they are constantly compared, people go for the latter and more impressive.
They are also more advertised, popularised and established
For instance, even if you've never watched a game of basketball in your life or hate the sport, you still know names like Michael Jordan, Kobe and Shaq, even if its just through pop culture. But even if you are really into basketball, there is a high chance you could have never heard of her, or many other female athletes.
Tennis is one of the few sports I think most could name female athletes from. Maybe Golf.
Male players don't "seem" better or more impressive - they ARE better and more impressive. Every single major "male" sport is actually open to both genders; the reason women don't participate in those leagues is because they're nowhere close to having the necessary athleticism and skill.
Not quite every mayor sport, but a lot are open leagues. Most team sports like football or handball are gender split. And from time to time you see a woman in the top league, Annika Sörenstam is a good example in Golf
At least for basketball, NCAA is better than the NBA. Different rules for how to play makes watching NCAA basketball more interesting, for me at least.
umbrellamaker
needs two hands to do what Jordan did with one /s
RedCamaro
The mathematics community would like to present to her the number 23.
netutoring
I went to UConn about a decade before she was there, but even in the late '90s, early 2000s, the women had won more recently than the men. They had won in 1995. Men didn't win until 1998. As a student in 1998, when the women had one national championship and were considered a powerhouse, and the men were good, but a little less prestigious, I could STILL get a cheaper price per game for the women's season ticket than the men. 2 bucks a game for the women and 5 for the men.
mrsdowneyjr
It's easier for her, she's competing against women, everyone knows we're easier to beat
khaoselement
Holy shit. That's a talented ass woman.
Iamathighman
Bill Russell won 11 NBA championships. Not enough fingers to wear all the rings.
Leonon
She's more decked out in rings than Saturn.
BurnieCinders
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
I definitely feel like we witnessed the birth of a meme with this
BurnieCinders
I did it to someone driving badly earlier today.
BallsToYouMyGoodSir
dont know who she is but also wouldn't know who mj was if not for space jam soooo
6TonRobotTony
She has a ring for every finger and one more on a rope. That's what success looks like. Good for her
FrankRizzo55
Didn't Jordan play against men?
bigred810
No idea who that lady is. Why is she copying him why not have her own pose or something.
vilecomfort
What a G
CobraCommander1981
...wait, do they get rings for gold medals? I guess I always just assumed the medal was...well, the medal. Didn't need an accessory, it is the accessory.
AncientMorgoth
"Championship rings are mostly confined to North American sports. Since only one championship trophy is awarded by the league to the winning team, championship rings are distributed as a memento for the players and team officials to keep for themselves to symbolize their victory. Winners' medals (and runners-up medals) are not awarded in North American professional sports" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Championship_ring
DameDePiques
I never heard of it before, but it's quite cool.
AncientMorgoth
Being in Europe, I had never heard of it either, I had to search
TheFastpaws
That is a ton of rings!
PurifiedInTheWatersOfLakeMinnetonka
Fuck yeah. This is the future Liberals want. ✊
Clayman8
Wonder if he took that personally
Durtschi
My guess it's probably not because she signed to his brand. He probably recommended it. Decided not to guess. Yes he was honored. https://www.si.com/fannation/sneakers/news/jordan-brand-honors-maya-moore-carmelo-anthony-hall-of-fame-tribute
Clayman8
1yamia1
zylokun
Wait did I read something wrong or do you also get a ring for gold medals? Or is that just in addition to
BishlamekGurpgork
North America they went with rings instead of medals. The trophy goes to the team. I'm guessing players wanted something they could wear around town that was less conspicuously braggy than a medal.
TexMexHex
I am a big fan of pugilist rings.
svga
you ever watch 21??? Lawrence Fishburne???
Lonewolfing
Gotta be so many stat bonuses in those.
MrNardtastic
Good for her, but the top says 12 rings and 4 + 7+ 2 = 13, so did she leave a ring off?, or what?
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Absolute talent. She would make me look like a baby lamb out on the court.
spittytrinkles
Dunked!
Autittuderp
She is a legend.
gilliamv
She may be a legend. But is she also a myth like Scot Sterling? (Sorry no real point just saw an opportunity to reference "the man, the myth, the legend; Scott Sterling!")
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NWVvOXdlMXZrYzN1enQwYzhwNzdlcG5ieGoxdW5jNm9zem91eHpuNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/lu38au6O3SEj6/200w.webp
TungstenOrbital
That video is hilarious
EricAirheart
But sadly is less known.
BratwurstPanzer
Do you go to the WNBA games? P.S. They sell not even the quarter of the tickets that are sold in the NBA. So that has a reason which is: Nobody watches it.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bXl0NWp5cTNvdTFma3Zicmdqa3BkeDY1d3l6aXUwNXZ4bGU4dnZucSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/eLvhchyvNNOuLbOtYP/200w.webp
ThatGuyInTheMountains
You could have said nothing and yet here you are talking.
BratwurstPanzer
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
freyafernstone
the rings are shining brighter than the actual smiles in this photo
Tasselfoot
Ok. So I'm trying to piece all this together... First, I see 10 rings in the photo. But from Wiki, I count 11 championships + 2 Olympic gold medals (which don't give out rings). She won 4 WNBA titles, 3 WCBA (China) titles, 2 EuroLeague titles, and 2 NCAA (College) titles.
It's possible there are rings there from individual honors? Or FIBA Gold Medal wins (2 Adult, 2 as a Junior)? Or possibly from winning a State title in High School, of which she won 3 of them + 1 national HS title?
Tasselfoot
She won A LOT.
kleinbotl
Looks like she got the 11th ring squished against her cheek
tveye82
Waiting Caitlin Clark photo
oznobz
She's gotta get some rings first
tveye82
She'll get
oznobz
I expect her to fill out a hand, but it doesn't matter how good an individual player is if there's not enough around them to win.
Yrmsteak
shes gotta survive the assaults from other players first
PabloEscargot
Women athletes often do not get the recognition they deserve.
FrankRizzo55
Neither do bowlers
leroy666
we’re talking sports here.
FrankRizzo55
You’re getting warmer!
Trollingstoned
TBF, they're literally not allowed to face the strongest players available.
Mooversweregood
They have the momentum but terrible leadership, officiating and marketing
BananaForScaIe
We need a new movie: Black Women Can Jump.
GodHelpMeToBeGood
Great women in general too. History often equates a bright woman as just 'wifey' material ...
wiltsjunk
Bill Burr had a bit about this. The Kardasians are billionaires because women watch them and care about them, meanwhile the WNBA athletes are awesome but dont have the same financial success because no one watches. Men dont watch the WNBA, but women don't either. https://youtu.be/oT6CwedFB6c?si=T_WaSqkuTYMrXfcn
PumpkinDriver5
Our WNBA team is the one team I don’t mind taxpayer-funding a stadium for.
When I worked in a print shop downtown, their office staff were the only sports team people were the only people who were nice to us. I think that speaks to the organizational culture.
Still don’t watch the games. But I have some logo merch and if you hold a gun to my head I’m a Lynx fan.
Mack1986
*points*
thedarkcanuck
From what I've seen from the PWHL, its way better hockey than the NHL has ever been
Scorpio3002
GimcrackGewgaw
For instance, I never heard of this lady. Is she a current player? Why does Caitlin Clarke get all the ink if Maya Moore is the Michael Jordan of her time?
DinkyDoinky
You mean ever?
UnprunedSynapses
Women often do not get the recognition they deserve.
LeftRightThere
TheMilliner
A lot of that is because people just don’t watch it, and therefore it isn’t promoted as much, meaning it gets less marketing funding, meaning it’s promoted even less because people aren’t watching the thing they don’t know about. It’s called a visibility paradox, and it’s only gotten worse with social media algos trending so hard into radicalising men for the right wing, which needs a lot of “MEN, FUCK YEAH” microdick-swinging content and coverage to work.
netutoring
There's also another 'spiral', related to this one. They don't get paid as much as the men. Therefore, the same types will claim it must mean women are less talented. ....which keeps the salaries low, which.... you get the idea.
YummyBubb1es
Doesn't help that some women's sports have rules that overtly sexualize them, kindve making the sport seem like a joke to anyone watching despite how much time, effort, and skill is being shown by the women. Now that women's sports are being targeted by radical crazies in America wanting to stick their hands down womens pants for "gender checks" (the fuckin weirdos), I can't imagine the situation getting better anytime soon
ChorizoPig
Years ago one of the employees at my restaurant was a world champion boxer. She literally made more money as my shift manager.
sprySpace350
Because no one watches the BTeam.
Camelspotting
Let me introduce you to the Dallas cowboys
Grimmrog
or mostly because women aren't as much interetsed in sports as man.
AllTheKitties
Why would that matter? Can men not be interested in women's sports? Can women only be interested in sports if women are playing?
wiltsjunk
It seems weird to blame men for not watching women's sports but not also blame women for not watching women's sports.
AllTheKitties
But they didn't blame men.. They didn't blame anyone in particular.
If your response to "people should do [x] more" is "so should women", you must not have thought women were included in people.. If that is what happened, you may want to check your biases because, imo, that is much worse than not giving credit to women for their athletic accomplishments.
TheFoodBaby
I don't know why you're getting down vote but it's true. The main contributors to women's sport are men and even the women's leagues are subsidized by the mens team and wouldn't be able to operate without them as they use the same stadiums and venues.
VinnieJonesDiary
Jeez, its almost like for decades and decades the sports industry has been targeted at men, designed to attract and cater to them and make women feel unwelcome as both participants and spectators....
Nah, must just be that women don't like sports, probably something to do with ovaries or something.
TheFoodBaby
There are plenty of places and opportunities to support women's sports now so hiding behind that argument is getting old. There is almost no money in women's sport because there is no support.
People are all supportive online but have never actually supported women's sports in any shape or form. 99% have never bought a female athlete's jersey or fail to even name one.
Ronda Rousey made millions per bout at the height of her career. Way more than most men, because she had support from her fans.
wiltsjunk
The WNBA has been around since 1996, 30 years. The league is subsidized by the revenue from the men's NBA. To this day the WNBA rarely sells out, and gets terrible ratings on TV. The WNBA athletes are amazing, best in the world. You can blame men for not watching them i guess, but the women who arent watching them either. And it's a shame. (Like i said in a different comment, Bill Burr does a bit on this. The Kardasians are billionaires because women (in general) are watching them)
amundost
It's the same reason noone in Norway know the Norwegian olympic silver medal winner in fencing.
Anakindergarden
Zoro!
nikinnorway12
Zørå
Heisanevilgenius
That sounds like an oddly specific example
DoggosAreLife
Haha touché, or whenever a Swede takes an olympic medal in sailing.
TheSwedishCryptid
Theres olympic competition in sailing???
DoggosAreLife
Yes? We usually take a medal or two in it. Summer olympics.
IrrelevantHandle
Cause northern countries don't care about the summer Olympics?
amundost
Sure they do, but not all sports. Mostly track and field events
Someshithead241
Because often times male players are better or in a more advantageous position based on things like height or weight, making them seem better or more impressive.
So when they are constantly compared, people go for the latter and more impressive.
They are also more advertised, popularised and established
Someshithead241
For instance, even if you've never watched a game of basketball in your life or hate the sport, you still know names like Michael Jordan, Kobe and Shaq, even if its just through pop culture.
But even if you are really into basketball, there is a high chance you could have never heard of her, or many other female athletes.
Tennis is one of the few sports I think most could name female athletes from. Maybe Golf.
Someshithead241
As any creative or artist would be able to tell you, just being good at the thing is no where near enough to be famous or popular.
gamer2k4
Male players don't "seem" better or more impressive - they ARE better and more impressive. Every single major "male" sport is actually open to both genders; the reason women don't participate in those leagues is because they're nowhere close to having the necessary athleticism and skill.
Bastiroid
Not quite every mayor sport, but a lot are open leagues. Most team sports like football or handball are gender split. And from time to time you see a woman in the top league, Annika Sörenstam is a good example in Golf
zebraImaginationDog
Why did you get downvoted? You’re right, +1 from me my guy
Someshithead241
Just because its right, doesn't mean people like it. Ignorance is bliss for a reason
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Women's hockey is just a better spectator sport than men's hockey.
Someshithead241
Okay. I'm not arguing that.
yamsonyamsonyams
I’ve heard that ncaa is better to watch than pro sports
Imo our society could be doing a lot better things than spending half our bandwidth on sports but thats just me
IStoleALoafOfBread
At least for basketball, NCAA is better than the NBA. Different rules for how to play makes watching NCAA basketball more interesting, for me at least.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Entertainment is fun. You may not like that form, but I am sure you like other entertainment that others find a waste.
yamsonyamsonyams
I didn’t say it was a waste of time to enjoy sports - it just sucks up a lot of air