She isn't just a goddess of wisdom and warfare, she's a goddess of specifically strategic warfare. Unlike Ares who's just a god of bloody warfare, father of many war gods like Deimos, Photos, Eris, and I think Palas who are all generally bad during a war that requires more than brute force. Athena is also a goddess of crafts like Hephaestus. This cosplay is awesome and the only thing missing is Aegis but other than that, 11/10.
It's strange/fascinating to me that the ancient Athenians would have a female patron deity who's a warrior and clever, while at the same time being incredibly misogynistic. They kept women completely out of public life (except for paid courtesans), regarded the female body as inferior to the male (in all aspects), and basically just treated them as property. Out of all the Mediterranean ancient cultures, they were probably the most misogynistic.
Because reducing ancient Greek culture to simply "it was misogynistic" is to ignore the very complicated ideas of gender the Greeks had. They were misogynist sure, but women also had a role in the society that was closed off to men. For example, in the domain of mysticism and religion, women were often thought to be closer to the divine. Hence all the female priestesses, oracles and mystics.
It's a fascinating but ultimately confounding situation. Scholars have settled on "it is likely that the Greek pantheon was heavily influenced from the pantheons of surrounding / conquered cultures, but there's insufficient evidence to point to a direct and specific lineage for Athena." Weirdly, the ultra-macho Spartans actually valued their women more than most Greek states... Because they realized if all the men were at war, SOMEONE needed to keep things running!
I got this buff a few years ago to cosplay Yamato. Worked out with a personal trainer, ate so so sooo much protein that I was sick of it, and loads of water. I loved the results but shit, that was hard! Made respect to everyone who goes through it, especially women! 💪🏻
Zeus suddenly understood the idea or consent when he met a woman who knew how to find his house and was strong enough to do something with that knowledge.
Zeus and his habits, kind of adds an aura of power to being a virgin goddess. Like, you know he or some similarly inclined deity would if they could; so it becomes a flex for a being like Athena or Artemis to say they can't.
Athena isn't just strong, she's also divinely clever. She's a war god - but the god of intelligent, strategic war. Not just war-for-war-sake that Ares is.
Very cool that people thousands of years ago were able to see that distinction and had separate entities to worship and embody those virtues.
Spent all last year listening to the soundtracks with my 10 year old kids. We sang everywhere, and once in line for a roller coaster at a theme park, they were singing back and forth and a woman further back in line started singing with them. Turns out she auditioned for the voice(s) of the Hydra and got to round two before someone else was chosen. Good times.
There's a great chapter on it (chapter 88) in the cryptonomicon where Neal Stephenson traces that idea from its roots and takes it all the way to modern day warfare and the distinction we must draw between her and Ares.
One of the downsides to only fighting when you have to versus a society of warmongers, skill and strategy can take you so far, but experience and tenacity for victory born of a thousand battles makes for very crafty and determined Generals and Soldiers. Ares may have been the more bullheaded War God, but that doesn't mean the Soldiers who worshipped him were Less Capable when it came to the subtleties of War.
Athens and Sparta were two of the principal city-states of the era, and had Athena and Ares as patron deities. The Athenians wrote more, and more of what they wrote survived, so to an extent, this is due to survivorship bias in the writing we have from that far back.
I mean the woman in the clip is super HOT. But , i would not be praising the same apathetic deity that punished a R*pe victim for being violated in her temple. What does it say about a deity that has the power to stop an attack on one of her followers , but does nothing about it?
It's important to take in context. Ovid wrote the popular retelling, and Ovid was consistently writing of the failings of the gods. The original medusa was born a gorgon - Ovid rewrote the myth to turn it into a punishment.
Ironically, a story of women being punished for rape is also, in itself, oppressive to women, as it's a story written by a man of a woman abusing power.
I totally understand what you are saying, but literally every Greek God is problematic in some way or another if you dig deep enough. So are we not to create modern stories of fiction with these characters because of the problematic attitudes of the dudes that wrote stories 2000 years ago? Because I think that is kinda ridiculous.
Athena was the god of war you prayed to for victory in war.
Ares was the god of war you prayed to for the bravery to fight a war.
Amongst the gods, that is why Ares was actually one of the weaker fighters in many myths. His whole point wasn't to be powerful and win every fight. He was their version of Captain America standing back up and going, "I can do this all day." He was meant to inspire warriors to never surrender or retreat in the face of any foe.
In fairness, Ares was NOT especially morally elevated. Your point is valid, he had his domains that were valid to respect, and courage and bravery were in his domain. But the comparison to Cap is probably being too generous - most people of the era didn't really hold him as a figure of respect or moral fiber.
He represents that war is also cruelty, panic, failure, mistakes, murder. So while never giving up WAS on his playlist, Rocky Balboa might be a much better modern parallel.
thats what i like about the old gods. they were flawed. shes smart but will not think things through due to jealousy or other emotions like anyone else.
once judaism became monotheistic, it became 'god is perfect' and boring.
That's precisely the redeeming quality of the old pantheon. They had faults. The utterly moronic idea of a God who's perfect yet created a world where children die of cancer is a relatively recent travesty.
Fun fact, Artemis wasn't a moon goddess originally. Apollo was always associated with the sun, but it wasn't until the Romans were like "Hey, if Apollo is associated with the sun, shouldn't Diana be associated with the moon?" and Artemis got retconned.
Fun fact: Artemis was the patron goddess of the Greek colony of Byzantium, represented by a crescent moon. Byzantium became Constantinople, and eventually Istanbul. The Muslim rulers of Istanbul took the city's symbol as their own, and enforced it across the Islamic world, and today it's pretty universally recognized as the symbol of Islam.
So if you ever wonder where did Islam's crescent moon symbol originate, the answer is Artemis.
poopsmagoo
Confused bicycle horn sounds.
3rdoption
And if there's parking.
ElbowDeepInSaintCelestine
She isn't just a goddess of wisdom and warfare, she's a goddess of specifically strategic warfare. Unlike Ares who's just a god of bloody warfare, father of many war gods like Deimos, Photos, Eris, and I think Palas who are all generally bad during a war that requires more than brute force. Athena is also a goddess of crafts like Hephaestus. This cosplay is awesome and the only thing missing is Aegis but other than that, 11/10.
ErinInStereo
HandoB4Javert
redline6
No
MagnumRadhard
"ATHENA, GUIDE ME!"
Pirsquar
DirtyPrincesslovesbananas
MyBigMouth
Athena was great, I used to get a lot of posters from there.
ThankinHank
My Princess
dspsbl14ent
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yeahhedugit
Goddess material.
rockarolla
rockarolla
Releveant comic

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rockarolla
P2
ArchonIlladrya
Welp...that's his life now.
TooSoonOldTooLateSmart
This woman should pursue an acting career.
dtcb131415
mmmmyyyyyy boner has aaaaaa booooonnneeerrr!!!
NomadFeetWanderingToes
It's strange/fascinating to me that the ancient Athenians would have a female patron deity who's a warrior and clever, while at the same time being incredibly misogynistic. They kept women completely out of public life (except for paid courtesans), regarded the female body as inferior to the male (in all aspects), and basically just treated them as property. Out of all the Mediterranean ancient cultures, they were probably the most misogynistic.
Joecoin2
And yet Aristophanes wrote a play centered on woman's control of men.
VegaJuniper
Because reducing ancient Greek culture to simply "it was misogynistic" is to ignore the very complicated ideas of gender the Greeks had. They were misogynist sure, but women also had a role in the society that was closed off to men. For example, in the domain of mysticism and religion, women were often thought to be closer to the divine. Hence all the female priestesses, oracles and mystics.
ChazzK
It's a fascinating but ultimately confounding situation. Scholars have settled on "it is likely that the Greek pantheon was heavily influenced from the pantheons of surrounding / conquered cultures, but there's insufficient evidence to point to a direct and specific lineage for Athena."
Weirdly, the ultra-macho Spartans actually valued their women more than most Greek states... Because they realized if all the men were at war, SOMEONE needed to keep things running!
thedudeman519
Ath-hehe-na
Travelcedric
I named my dog Athena and she lives up to the goddesses attributes. Very clever dog, strong and protective of her sister and myself.
danwhitey
Ac1dBurn72
I named my dog Athena and she's also very clever, very protective of my daughter but also a little ball of anxiety. LOL
FFBnuuyBoi
lezgetfukkinreal
Fucking sploosh
Arcadian1
Well I am now...
Kugartun
Sorry Athena, now you have to fight and outsmart more men because internet.
verukt89
Athena was only depicted in red when referring to war, otherwise this is the wrong color scheme. But still awesome.
QuackMagicAndHerMagicalBeer
I got this buff a few years ago to cosplay Yamato. Worked out with a personal trainer, ate so so sooo much protein that I was sick of it, and loads of water. I loved the results but shit, that was hard! Made respect to everyone who goes through it, especially women! 💪🏻
Spiritdove
I used Athena to name my doberman who passed a couple of years ago at 15. I love the mythology and symbolism even if they don't really exist
maybeamonster
no, there's not. she was a virgin goddess who did not take lovers, silly :-P
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saywhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
How very incel-ent of you
Nusete
Oh bit titan Pallas tried to rape her
She killed him instead and put his skin on her shield, the Aegis
Pretty badass
B4r4B4d4B45tu
Ace representation FTW.
AmbroseWolfinger
Not male lovers, anyway…
taraht
They were roommates!
maybeamonster
indeed
ShadeMeadowsArt
So weird to know that some Greek gods were virgins
Joecoin2
Especially with Zeus around.
Hevach
Zeus suddenly understood the idea or consent when he met a woman who knew how to find his house and was strong enough to do something with that knowledge.
LegendofSleek
Zeus and his habits, kind of adds an aura of power to being a virgin goddess. Like, you know he or some similarly inclined deity would if they could; so it becomes a flex for a being like Athena or Artemis to say they can't.
shitheadtookmyname
Artemis be like yeah lightning god Dad kept trying to fuck me But I kicked his ass
Kyzyl
Athena isn't just strong, she's also divinely clever. She's a war god - but the god of intelligent, strategic war. Not just war-for-war-sake that Ares is.
Very cool that people thousands of years ago were able to see that distinction and had separate entities to worship and embody those virtues.
NonyGony
That's why she's the God of Victory
thisisnotfineffs
That's Nike
NonyGony
Whoops
thisisnotfineffs
Forensickle
And god of crafting!
PosthumousExile
I guess you can say she's a warrior of the mind
NinjaSauropod
Spent all last year listening to the soundtracks with my 10 year old kids. We sang everywhere, and once in line for a roller coaster at a theme park, they were singing back and forth and a woman further back in line started singing with them. Turns out she auditioned for the voice(s) of the Hydra and got to round two before someone else was chosen. Good times.
TSeventhSon
Honestly, the easiest way to put it: Athena was the god of generals, Ares was the god of soldiers.
Spiritdove
people have always been good at make belief
draek1
There's a great chapter on it (chapter 88) in the cryptonomicon where Neal Stephenson traces that idea from its roots and takes it all the way to modern day warfare and the distinction we must draw between her and Ares.
LincLoud
If I remember right, Ares fought on the side of the Trojans and Athena with the Greeks during the Trojan War.
ElChupaNuggra
One of the downsides to only fighting when you have to versus a society of warmongers, skill and strategy can take you so far, but experience and tenacity for victory born of a thousand battles makes for very crafty and determined Generals and Soldiers. Ares may have been the more bullheaded War God, but that doesn't mean the Soldiers who worshipped him were Less Capable when it came to the subtleties of War.
WackyWavingInflatableArmFlailingTubman
According to Delira shes also a bit of a cunt
ATastyCorpsesicle
Ares gets shit talked almost as bad as Hades does, though
dragoonwraith
Athens and Sparta were two of the principal city-states of the era, and had Athena and Ares as patron deities. The Athenians wrote more, and more of what they wrote survived, so to an extent, this is due to survivorship bias in the writing we have from that far back.
BishlamekGurpgork
In fairness, he generally deserves more shit-talk, too.
DignamWhenAskedaQuestion
I mean the woman in the clip is super HOT. But , i would not be praising the same apathetic deity that punished a R*pe victim for being violated in her temple. What does it say about a deity that has the power to stop an attack on one of her followers , but does nothing about it?
BishlamekGurpgork
It's important to take in context. Ovid wrote the popular retelling, and Ovid was consistently writing of the failings of the gods. The original medusa was born a gorgon - Ovid rewrote the myth to turn it into a punishment.
Ironically, a story of women being punished for rape is also, in itself, oppressive to women, as it's a story written by a man of a woman abusing power.
WillUleimi
Bro, it's all make believe.
I totally understand what you are saying, but literally every Greek God is problematic in some way or another if you dig deep enough. So are we not to create modern stories of fiction with these characters because of the problematic attitudes of the dudes that wrote stories 2000 years ago? Because I think that is kinda ridiculous.
Murdertron5000
The fact that greek gods are flawed bastards is what makes greek mythology interesting. They had to get their drama somehow.
GrenithTheSkald
Athena was the god of war you prayed to for victory in war.
Ares was the god of war you prayed to for the bravery to fight a war.
Amongst the gods, that is why Ares was actually one of the weaker fighters in many myths. His whole point wasn't to be powerful and win every fight. He was their version of Captain America standing back up and going, "I can do this all day." He was meant to inspire warriors to never surrender or retreat in the face of any foe.
Athol
To Athena to win the war.
To Ares to survive it.
BishlamekGurpgork
In fairness, Ares was NOT especially morally elevated. Your point is valid, he had his domains that were valid to respect, and courage and bravery were in his domain. But the comparison to Cap is probably being too generous - most people of the era didn't really hold him as a figure of respect or moral fiber.
He represents that war is also cruelty, panic, failure, mistakes, murder. So while never giving up WAS on his playlist, Rocky Balboa might be a much better modern parallel.
SunBrolem
Arachne, glaring in the corner:
Treforce
Erichthonius, who accidentally walked in. "Mother?"
kojenk
None of the Greek Pantheon is uninflicted with incredible pettiness.
Athol
Pettiness is the one trait almost all of them shared
kojenk
Hades and his wife less so. Less than the others anyway.
Athol
They're the exceptions...though Persephone's mother more than compensates...
noone1415
Yeah, but not intelligent enough to see through Eris' trickery though...
SalmonMax
In fairness, trickery was kind of Eris' divinely ordained superpower.
ProjectDA
thats what i like about the old gods. they were flawed. shes smart but will not think things through due to jealousy or other emotions like anyone else.
once judaism became monotheistic, it became 'god is perfect' and boring.
NM156
Perfect but also works in mysterious ways! (cue wailing ghost sounds)
thisisnotfineffs
Abrahamic god is a mary sue, lazy writing
wickedcor
Even the gods had their faults.
Goldensands
That's precisely the redeeming quality of the old pantheon. They had faults. The utterly moronic idea of a God who's perfect yet created a world where children die of cancer is a relatively recent travesty.
Kyzyl
The old pantheons were a reflection of the humans who needed them.
The current idea of "god" is a huge Mary Sue who's super awesome at everything!
Goldensands
.. except he sucks at being a decent person and is instead a vile POS
justfillingthespace
ESPECIALLY the Olympians. That's kinda the point of them.
Dudenoooo
I think shit like this is why people love the Greek and norse mythologies. They're all basically just super humans at heart
wickedcor
Unlike some other mythical beings *coughyahwehcough*
sevenfingerman
I’ve always prefer Artemis. I’m a sucker for the moon.
SharkLove
Por que no le dos?
Middlecamp
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ATinyWaffle
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SalmySwims
Fun fact, Artemis wasn't a moon goddess originally. Apollo was always associated with the sun, but it wasn't until the Romans were like "Hey, if Apollo is associated with the sun, shouldn't Diana be associated with the moon?" and Artemis got retconned.
VegaJuniper
Fun fact: Artemis was the patron goddess of the Greek colony of Byzantium, represented by a crescent moon. Byzantium became Constantinople, and eventually Istanbul. The Muslim rulers of Istanbul took the city's symbol as their own, and enforced it across the Islamic world, and today it's pretty universally recognized as the symbol of Islam.
So if you ever wonder where did Islam's crescent moon symbol originate, the answer is Artemis.
IMarkEverythingISayAsNSFWBecauseModsDontKnowWhatMatureMeans
NSFW I also worship the moon... but-... probably a different type of moon...
SteersAndQueers
DrDred
He was gonna see it anyway.
smhippy
Hestia, Athena and Artemis are famously virgin goddesses, and some even see Artemis as lesbian. So just like the moon, they are way out of our reach.
shitheadtookmyname
I would've accepted the challenge for Artemis
sevenfingerman
Just like every other woman.
TheGoudaKaramazov
Inspirational.
PanJak
Isn't the moon Selene?
IIikethecutofyourjib
Just as Helios and Apollo were somewhat combined.
Nebel01
the moon is indeed Selene, but also Artemis is the goddess of the hunt, wilderness but ALSO the goddess of the moon
Nebel01
also the goddess of childcare and chastity, Artemis had very varied domains :P
sevenfingerman
When a god/goddess gets popular stuff gets added to their “domains”