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John Dean was one of the main witnesses in Nixon's Watergate trial
Jan 1, 2022 5:09 PM
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John Dean was one of the main witnesses in Nixon's Watergate trial
JackTheRippersBrotherHowie
yeh. like we trusted mueller.
barnwolf
With previous leadership from people like William Barr you know they'll do a great job!
thereitis101
I think everyone is still misunderstanding what he is saying. The DOJ is the one that prosecutes, not the committee which is investigating.
dontbeabee
I'm pretty sure we have a lot more evidence in this regard, don't we? Emails, texts, online statements, etc?
BluePaladin42
The midterms maybe, since Biden will still be president, but if Congress changes over they WILL obstruct. If Biden loses in 2024, I have no-
BluePaladin42
-reason to believe a GOP president wouldn't halt the investigation, and no real reason to think that the DOJ wouldn't cave.
IneedtochangemyusernameandIguessthiswillhavetodo
the problem is that any elected Republicans can completely derail and sabotage the investigation. needs to be exposed before midterms
sweethome
I hope so!
mrthewhitee
I understand what he is saying about it being early, and agree. But I'm not sure he is right that the 2024 election wont change DOJ directio
TedDansoninthedark
I do not share this man's confidence..
CambreathdTheSecound
Didn't Nixon specifically walk away from that hole debacle with a parten? That's not exactly the precedence any one is asking for..
somanycloudstoday
For those wringing hands over a midterm election loss, it will STILL be the DOJ under Merrick Garland. That ain't going away until 2024
anescient
"they literally carry the fate of the nation ... Meanwhile, good wishes for the New Year."
DukeDarkwood
Thank you, @OP. For reminding me that just because we don't see it, and just because it's not as fast as we'd like, the wheels are turning.
bobimg
DOJ wont fail... because it already has. Over, and over, and over again. To not recognize that fact is dangerously naive.
bobimg
I mean how many times do we have to go through Trump breaks law, definitely going to pay now!.. then he doesnt, before people work this out?
bobimg
(and do you think generals in the military are planning for the eventuality of a coup because the DOJ have been doing such a stand up job?)
Cyclicus
Garland will snooze through it all, and when the GOP retakes the House it’ll all be dead and buried in time for Trump ‘24. Garland = a zero.
MadCat221
That's pretty standard for "moderate" Democrats these days...
NKato
We need to hold Garland accountable for the death of democracy - namely, his inaction.
sexyoptimusprime
To be honest, liberals haven't shown enough outrage to warrant enough action. If people took to the streets to protest the attack on
WeylandYutaniCorp
You don't protest before a system fails, dude.
sexyoptimusprime
Democracy, the response would've been different. Guess people want things to be much worse before it registers how badly outrage is needed
ontarioOT
I feel like this is a bit more time-sensitive than Watergate, seeing as how many of the conspirators are still in public office.
roadhunter
Trump is a clear and present danger. They have enough to lock him up now.
walnutbreath
Maybe I don't want to believe a guy who helped Nixon cover up Watergate until they had him dead to rights and flipped to save his own skin.
michaeloberg
But he is saying that the DOJ will have others dead to rights and will flip in the insurrection cases, so I kinda believe hs experience here
walnutbreath
If you believe the DOJ has the will to go after the big fish. The last 20 years has repeatedly proven they don't.
michaeloberg
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/politics/tom-barrack-trump-arrested/index.html Eleven close associates with Trump...
walnutbreath
So fall guys faced some consequences.
michaeloberg
These are basically everyone except the Trump family. When those indictments come down they have to be PERFECT and OVERWHELMING
TheJuiceLoosener
And what will DOJ do if the next POTUS starts handing out pardons?
ActionJohnnie
Hard to pardon them if you execute them
TheJuiceLoosener
Ok, I appoint you to be my pinch "breath-holder" for 1/6-related executions prior to 2025.
ActionJohnnie
Finally a job I would enjoy
TheChunguskaEvent
Statute of limitations on obstruction re: firing Comey is up in May. Guess that one was a freebie
michaeloberg
There are so many crimea by Trump it's going to be disappointing to see him jailed over just a few. So many.
NacLac
Be prepared to be massively disappointed when he strokes out when the guilty verdict is handed down. He won't see a day of prison.
Tarmaccian
Unpopular opinion: I don’t give a damn if Trump goes to prison. He’s the figurehead, but I’d rather see the architects brought to justice.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
Be prepared to be massively disappointed when he slips through the cracks and leaves everyone else holding the bag
DesdemonaMoor
This was in an era when once Nixon was outted he resigned. Trump et al are going to stay the course and run out the clock.
GeneralPrower
And if by some miracle he actually gets brought up on anything, he'll flee to Russia.
FuckmotheringxVampire
I'll believe it when I see it
sumelar
You've already seen it. Multiple people have been charged already. It's happening, whether you accept it or not.
Alavar
Any of the ring leaders?
Corrodias
A handful of nobodies have gotten slaps on the wrist, with permitted vacations to Mexico and wedding attendance.
michaeloberg
You are exactly the type of person I was hoping to see this. Erosion in our faith in our institutions is their intent! Can't let that happen
pmmeyourgold
Don't forget that imgur (both the post content and upvotes) have explicitly been weaponized by people who want us to lose faith.
Corrodias
Faith is for cults. Give me evidence. Asking for trust in a justice system run by child-enslaving judges and murderous cops is asking a lot.
Corrodias
Of course my conclusion is not what the Republican party would like; they are responsible for repeatedly sabotaging it, and the solution »
Corrodias
is, as ever, to get rid of them. But their repeated sabotage of the system does take a toll on its efficacy.
michaeloberg
You are confusing state versus federal I think? These are federal cases
Corrodias
Hah, fair. Still, complacency would be foolish. I'm not going to just trust and assume that the DOJ will eliminate the insurrectionists.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
You don't have 928 days. You have 311.
LordOfTheFattys
You may have missed it, but he meantioned that in his comments, friend.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
ew, imagine reading comments :P
LordOfTheFattys
I mean it's in the original images lol.
FritoParadise
Was just going to say we don't have the luxury of time for this. These people are still in power and if we don't act they'll stay there
cookieduster
Whoa, amber is the color of your energy.
Bartheda
What happens then?
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Republicans take control of the legeslature.
Castriff
I believe they're referring to midterms
Bartheda
so like exams or something?
SomeDetroitGuy
Nothing at all that can stop the investigations or prosecutions
gandalfgaybeard8
I know a drugstore cowgirl
kindpanda
I feel like this disaster is pretty far from beautiful
ProperPlanningPreventsPissPoorPerformance
Is she afraid of getting bored?
bigeasy44
No, but amber is the color of her energy.
UrbanShire
Is she always running from something?
Miph120
Plenty of things ignored I take it?
LocalPumpkinHero
Do you try to be not like that?
sfrinlan
Are you saying that amber is the color of the investigation's energy?
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
is this a cultural reference?
sfrinlan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUFSB2plwzM
mudgula
311 has grassroots for this investigation
bob3dod
DOJ is different than the congressional committees. 311 days is def a concern, but not for DOJ actions. I hope...
theLASTromanNJ
If they want to be viewed as unbiased they have 311 to get a Republican (Liz Cheny) to make a criminal referral
bob3dod
In a more civilized age maybe but minds are made and the RiNO label is applied. I'd prefer civility but process is all we have now.
theLASTromanNJ
Oh I don't agree with it, that is what I have been reading/hearing/seeing
bob3dod
Gotcha. A speedy, unbiased, civil, bipartisan resolution to all of this would be nice though.
MagnorCriol
They won’t ever be viewed as unbiased. The way the Magidiots work is that anyone disagreeing is automatically an enemy, no matter what.
theLASTromanNJ
Oh I agree, idgaf about politics, you break the law regardless of party you pay the price, end of story
TongueWagger
There are reasons to distrust Garland’s DOJ. Slaps on the wrist for 1/6 insurrectionists. Individual #1 could have been indicted 1/21…
Ricobe9
It's kind of a dilemma though. Indicating him too fast, cold give a bigger chance for him to get a mild punishment. A lot has only been
Ricobe9
Discovered much later. On the other hand, waiting can only make him continue his cult propaganda.
michaeloberg
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
MajorPoopyPants
The majority appear to be getting short probation sentences and small fines. A lot of plea bargains for the minor offenses are being made.
only90skidswillgetthis
Why would we distrust Garland, whose supreme Court seat was taken away by Trump?
walnutbreath
He is a member of the Federalist Society. I don't trust any of those slimy fucks.
michaeloberg
There are 750+ arrested and they are still working up the food chain. Only around 50 sentences so far so too early to judge I think?
NKato
Too much faith in the DOJ. What needs to happen is a parallel investigation into the leaders, not just working up the food chain.
B3N15
How do you think investigations work? Where do you think the evidence on the leaders is going to come from?
NKato
Considering that the Commission is uncovering the relevant evidence faster than the FBI, and we haven't heard a peep from the feds about a-
NKato
- search warrant on any of these parties that have been subpoenaed, it gives me a reason to believe he FBI/DOJ is not taking this seriously.
JerryManderring
circlebreaker
Is treason a capitol crime in the US? The MFer is as guilty as a weasel caught in the hen house. Hang 'em.
mrthewhitee
I believe capitol punishment is reserved for the kind of "betrayed to foreign gov" kind of treason. But insurrection is kind of unprecidentd
circlebreaker
It's sedition instead, maybe? Not sure about the legalese, not a lawyer or legal scholar over here.
juxtacation
I feel like he had the “betrayed to foreign government” thing down though, also.
michaeloberg
It gives me great satisfaction that he is freaking out (see his latest screeds - lots of preemptive attacks on what he knows is coming)
GerberLegalTeam
What's a screed?
michaeloberg
"A screed is a long, boring speech or piece of writing with a bad attitude, like a rant." Trump is still posting his BA in "press releases"
JerryManderring
I really really hope so. It would be so joyous globally to see democrary in the US protected and criminals punished
RottedOnion
He'll dodge until he's back in power then be untouchable again.
PutItInNeutral
If another Republican gets into the White House, they will pardon any wrong doing too.
Sniffmeenob101
He's not getting back in .
theredfox64
Marking this, hopefully I remember 2024 to come back and see my hope. 90% twitter will let him back on
BigDaddysMeatWagon
I hope you're right, but there's still a giant Trump store 20 miles from me, and he hasn't been barred from running.
wiltsjunk
The problem is that if the gop takes control of the House after the 2022 elections, the Jan 6 committee will go away.
ACMech
The Jan 6 committee is just a political stunt, what matters is criminal prosecution
wiltsjunk
I disagree. It brings alot out in the open for the public to see
ACMech
Congress has so much more to actually accomplish, this is about wanting me to vote against Reps, how about wanting me to vote for Dems?
wiltsjunk
The House Jan 6 committee is not preventing a democratic agenda from getting accomplished. Not having the votes in the Senate is the problem
mardukkur
The House commission is parallel to but separate from the FBI investigation. There's reason to suspect a lot of house subpoenas are just...
mardukkur
identifying material of interest for the FBI that they already have legal access to.
SomeDetroitGuy
The DOJ is not part of that.
PaintedSlate
That would be a setback, for sure. Voters ultimately hold the most important role when it comes to saving democracy, so focus on voters.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
The GOP is busy trying to suppress them, though
PaintedSlate
And they'll suppress more every chance they get. Now is the best remaining time to act. Failing will make future action even harder.
commentsonlytruethings
Untrue. Gerrymandering and winner-take-all state election rules renders a citizen's vote moderately useless. Focus on voting reform.
PaintedSlate
Voters still matter the most, even now. Especially if what you want is election reform, which I agree is top priority.
GerberLegalTeam
The guy explicitly mentioned that assumption and argued against it in the post.
LordOfTheFattys
This was my reaction too. Like, did you skim the middle? lol
Corrodias
No, he said that the DOJ investigation can't be derailed by congress. He didn't say that congress couldn't stop its own evidence gathering.
Corrodias
The DOJ's rights to compel the production of evidence are significantly more limited, as I understand it. Congress can just do it.
GerberLegalTeam
I see.