ThislsTheWay
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#afghanistan #kabul #war #taliban
There is plenty of blame to go around for every political and military shitheads in Afghanistan and allied forces abroad but right now and as always it is the innocent people who are going to pay the price for their mistakes with their lives and livelihoods. Suffering never ends for my people. We are hated and unwanted everywhere.
TCGView
Any military that falls that quickly after having US support for 20 years is not even trying. What a fucking waste of life and money.
Farcaster
Biden... and he also negotiated the withdrawal from Iraq that led to ISIS taking over. He wanted the Afghan pull-out to be Sept 11, 2021...
ciscoxing626
Twenty years and 2 1/2 trillion dollars and hundreds of ISAF and allied lives wasn't enough, then I'm sorry, but your country is unfixable
ThislsTheWay
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/world/asia/kandahar-afghanistan-taliban.html?referringSource=articleShare
sarkonas
So after 20 years USA leaves and the country just rolls over for Taliban? JFC, they should have pulled out way sooner.
thedarkcanuck
I have little bits of shrapnel in my body, and this is what we have to show for it
sjg1711350
Oh bugger. All I have is a nice looking rock I found. Seems a bit underwhelming now
thedarkcanuck
Aw man why didn't I think to keep a rock?
zugz003
Just imagine all that US military equipment they'll gain from US tax-payers; thanks Industrial-war-complex! Not like I wanted health care...
anotherdickat
That's all being reduced to scrap, not left for their use. Not that much better, but better.
ciscoxing626
Not just U.S. Taxpayers, Canada ,Australia, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway to name but a few......
thatsbadmmkay
At least they have healthcare...
NKato
We destroyed most of that equipment.
LordHosk
No we diiiiidnnnnt
GadenKerensky
The thing is, populations in Western Nations just grew tired. Millions spent on a seemingly endless war, dead soldiers, with very little >
GadenKerensky
media attention on the actual good things achieved, so there's a prevailing sense of pointlessness. That nothing was achieved, which I >
GadenKerensky
fear has led to a belief that the Middle East isn't worth getting involved with and should be left to its own devices.
ElbowDeepInYourGrandma
America has a responsibility to take care of the local helpers that were so instrumental, they are in so much danger now.
philosoraptor1000
I can agree with this. I'm all for bringing the local helpers here and giving them a green card and pathway to citizenship.
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
And all the vets are dropping like flies, committing suicide left and right
Quenya3675
Pray??? Religion is the shit that caused and feeds the situation.
starsilver13
Anybody else remember China meeting with the Afghan Taliban just 2 weeks ago...and now this? Link below
starsilver13
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/china/china-taliban-tianjin-afghanistan-intl-hnk/index.html
EroticZombiePants
China wants to extend a transportation pipeline through Afghanistan to Pakistan.
Sentay
What's the taliban going to do once it owns the place and kills everyone there won't be any resources left to supply themselves.
frenofafren
There is always money in terrorist training camps.
AFelineMassofEyes
Easy, they'll go back to growing opium.
Sentay
I'm only aware of the cool up and coming drugs I'm guessing Opium is still the drug of choice for the southern hemisphere / parts of asia
Hexeron
No, it's heroin. Made with that opium.
CaldariBob
They're talking with China about mineral rights.
Sentay
Somehow I don't think that'll work for either, since China is absurdly overbearing, and the Taliban is about as unstable as anything can be.
CaldariBob
Well, unless they pay them for security. (By that, I mean pay them to stay the f**k away.)
sjg1711350
This is WW1 level of "what the hell was that all for?"
memnm544
I derive no pleasure in pointing out that Afghanistan has never had democracy. They have always lived under the crudest tribal system.
MouseKeyboard
The same was true of every democracy before they first implemented democracy
memnm544
Your comment made me start thinking. That area has had culture for 4000 years and it is still the same as back then, primitive tribal.
RoyDMercer
Afghanistan will fall faster than Vietnam after we pulled out of there. There is little or no support for a democratic government. Sorry.
myteenyverse
Dude… you were right
happytreeleaf
Don’t apologize, we don’t all blame you personally.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Oh there's plenty of support. Just they ain't the ones with the guns
Naramumu
The thing is Vietnam thrive after and becomes one of south east Asia biggest economy. Afghanistan under Taliban rule on the other hand...
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Naramumu
Why dwell in the past? I said now. They have disposable income to even host F1 race, and that thing is a farce in a country's economy
wintercoat
Yeah, and all it took was a couple genocides and a few more wars!
venomlash
Afghanistan should be a prosperous nation, with all the mineral wealth in its mountains. But instead it'll be a repressive failed state,
IupvoteAussies
Resource curse
venomlash
Sadly, it's been war-torn since long before extensive ore deposits were discovered there I think.
IupvoteAussies
Fair, I guess my point was that resources don't really help the situation
venomlash
fundamentalist warlords despoiling its beauty and squeezing the blood from farmers eking out a meager living growing opium.
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
This is the inevitable result of a poorly planned invasion. Yeah we delayed the inevitable for 20 yr but it WAS inevitable.
ciscoxing626
No it was the state department (as usual) that fucked up the whole thing, giving billions of dollars to warlords and corrupt politicians....
captritchie1
It was not a poorly planned invasion. It was perfectly executed. We should have left when the Northern Alliance took Kabul in 2001.
ExpectedDickbuttGotDickbutt
That would be the difference between “planned” and “executed”.
Rodrodington1
This is what's expected. The Taliban was only able to defeat the cities in 1994 when the Russians cut oil subsides to Kabul.
Rodrodington1
The afghans will cede grown but strengthen their positions.
BrdCdn
Not this time. Kandahar just fell along with many other major cities. Embassies are pulling out of Kabul. I give it a month until they fall.
Rodrodington1
Yeah... We'll see
swedeonamoose
sadly the Afghan military and police got like 0 will to fight, swedish soldiers who helped train them said 10 yr's ago it was a lost cause
KatByte0
Why die for a nation you don't really believe in? It's not like the US and our millitary- these soldiers have seem regime after regime.
NKato
This exactly. There's no national unity. It's just tribes.
chandon1
The Russians started the whole mess years ago
GadenKerensky
This mess started well before that. The region has always been in turmoil, even in Medieval days. But much of the modern strife can be >
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traced back to immediately Post-WW2, and the British are partly to blame too.
xnvv
Yep. Prayer will fix everything.
happyguide
Good thing we spent like 20 years there blowing trillions of dollars! But everyone thinks Bush is cute now so its okay for him at least.
church1101
Inshallah. Am I right?
DukePhelan
If only this had been predicted 20 year ago (it was). Could have saved trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives.
wadatahmydamie
It’s a cursed choice. Constantly be vindicated by history and be angry, or be wrong over and over but also happy because of the delusion?
Brokecattlefarmer
Twenty years ago? Read some Kipling from the turn of the Century. The same thing has happened over there for most of history.
ArchEnemyDemon
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. It can never be conquer nor tamed.
thedarkcanuck
Even the dirt is hostile
TK421isAFK
It can be flattened into a giant glass plate.
baronnapalm
The taliban seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.
philosoraptor1000
That's because they're the only ones who speak a language that the whole country understands.
james40592718
Just a working, tax paying Australian. I am so sorry ?. I have a daughter, and it breaks my heart what is happening in Afghanistan.
mtsmedly
My sister died in Afghanistan working to help them get past the Taliban. While I understand the need for the US to pull troops out 1/?
mtsmedly
After 20 years, there were so many failed opportunities to make things better. The fact that all the rebuilding got outsourced to defence 2/
AimlessSavant
The invasion was a farce, and motivated by the disgusting policies of Cold War CIA. It was inevitably going to fail, regardless of how hard
AimlessSavant
we fought and died for a "democratic" Afghanistan
mtsmedly
Contractors who literally paid off the Taliban to keep their workers safe gave them a source of cash to stay afloat and keep fighting. 3/
mtsmedly
I worry most for the children and girls of Afghanistan who finally had a chance to learn to read and be taught and now their future may 4/
mtsmedly
Stolen from them. Not the US job to be world police, but these people deserve so much better than what they've been given.
ridetheshoopuf
It _is_ the job of US, along other permanent members of security council to be the world police. None have done a good job of that though
wadatahmydamie
Fucking stellar. You should write a post on the subject. If you do, tag me?
ryuChronicles
Afghanistan is a joke , its army and gov. are useless. Less than a dozen Talbian militants so called "conquered" your Zaranj Province..
ryuChronicles
without firing a single bullet because there was no one on the driving seat, no police, no government and definitely no army. I
ryuChronicles
it was there just for grabs. Stop blaming everyone else. You people have no love for your own country. Half of your brigade got bought out..
ryuChronicles
by the taliban as a result they got a bunch of armored vehicles. You guys couldnt even bother learning how to fix a helicopter !! what were.
ryuChronicles
you guys doing. Afghans just wanted fish they never wanted to learn how to fish. Being poor and unambitious is deadly
Glasma
This breaks my heart. There is an entire generation of women that tasted freedom only to be forced back into being husband’s property.
Silnt39
Ah yes. Another war the US walks away from with zero progress made and countless deaths on both sides. Good times.
mardukkur
At least the US isn't spending yet another decade bombing the rubble.
Silnt39
True. Sadly yet another new and improved terrorist organization will emerge and we'll be back at
photosbyian1
And those goat fuckers the taliban are kidnapping girls as young as 12 and marrying them to their soldiers
quade
I mean, the Afghan government only had like 2 decades to prepare for self-rule...
RhetoricalRobot
American taliban still in full swing almost 250 years later.
HootSloot
A NATO approved self-rule*
Sm9yCg
Too busy being corrupt. They learned that from their US masters
Nexus159
Anywhere near the holy land (where they banned the printing press) is going to be fucked over until religion isn't a factor.
schlummi
It is not so easy to build up a nation from scratch, especially with rampant corruption. Takes more time than just 20 years.
iwrotethisonthetoilet
Do you genuinely believe the Afghan government is to blame for the state of Afghanistan?
Bystandr
The corruption between those leaders and the warlords (sometimes no difference) meant they didnt do what was required to keep enough
Bystandr
capability to resist Taliban takeover. This was the inevitable result as soon as support was withdrawn. Its been this way a very long time
Bystandr
there, and before the US arrived.
quade
Also, yes, fuck the Taliban. I'm just saying more should have been done to prepare the Afghani government.
Bearjahud
Slightly pedantic, but just Afghan. Afghani is the currency!
NacLac
They did want help and actively encouraged corruption or the Taliban in private. If they wanted change, it would have happened.
NacLac
They didn't*
LeftRightThere
It’s not like they are taking it by force. The gov now is just giving everything away. I’m convinced they always wanted taliban rule.
baldm0mma
Don't think that's a fair assessment, bud.
ThislsTheWay
Our fucked up leaders looked only after their own self interest and they played with foreign leaders like toys. Foreign leaders didn’t
NewtGinGrinch
You are not hated and unwanted amongst my friends. What action would best benefit your interests at this time?
ThislsTheWay
All avenues to help have been shut. People including my family are trapped. Embassies and borders are closed. Only a golden visa can help.
Cruise1687
Who are these people taking over an entire country and how exactly are we as a global community supposed to stop them?
StrokeTheFurryWall
Are you saying you don't know who the Taliban are or asking for further clarification?
Cruise1687
Clearly a military presence by a foreign country did nothing to help. So what's left to do? How do you stop these people?
ThislsTheWay
Most of the militants are from a very illiterate part of the country who are then used by Pakistan’s intelligence for this exact purpose…
ThislsTheWay
listen to the voices of reason who usually weren’t the most the liked and popular. Instead they aimed to please and looked for good reports
ThislsTheWay
they can present to their donors abroad. Total mismanagement and fuckery on all sides
HornoTostador
This thread should be a stand alone post.
Boondangle40
I'm sorry ☹️, the state of affairs is very sad
JeffGodofBiscuits
I'm just going to guess that there are a select group of politicians and officials that are going to retire very, very rich, somewhere else.
Mechame
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zoobizoobizooo
I dont get why its America's problem at all. Let the rule and destroy themselves if they want to. Why should we step in?
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
Well read a little bit about the country's history and the role the US played in the affairs leading up to today. The US isn't blameless
barnwolf
Still I feel like after two decades of dependence, you should give them more than 2 years heads up that we're pulling out all at once.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
To create a working government, tax system, and infrastructure, and army takes decades. I don't know what people suspected, this outcome >
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
was obvious even if the Afghanistan gov't was 100% not corrupt. They were doomed as soon as we pulled out.
BrdCdn
If they were not so corrupt they wouldn't have fallen like this. They outnumber and outgun the Taliban by a wide margin.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
There is most certainly corruption, and that plays a part of the losses. But it is not the entirety of the losses. For reference: >
IupvoteAussies
We did try for decades, not particularly well, but an effort was made
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
No, we tried for war for decades. A war we didn't even really end. I'm talking infrastructure, post-WWII Japan and Germany "guidance." So >
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
far, that is the only times functioning allied governments have come out of post-war territories, and that took about 30-40 years.
IupvoteAussies
$36B on governance and development (lots lost or wasted) including infrastructure, most of which has been not maintained and/or destroyed