Advice from a frustrated professional driver

Jul 26, 2017 12:19 AM

Tylendal

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Edit: (As in, stopping and rolling forward again takes maybe an extra three seconds out of your day, not that you should stop and count to three before moving again.)
As someone who drives vehicles that take a good portion of a city block to stop, this one startles me at least two or three times a week. Once or twice a month, I genuinely think someone's about to roll right out in front of me. People stop in the wrong place, and they stop far too abruptly. There's a big difference in perceived intent between a car that's creeping forward from behind the stop line, and a car that just barreled right over that line without even slowing down (to screech to a halt at the very edge of the main road).

This is a bit of a no brainer, but I see it so often, especially on highways. I see cars that would probably crash if the driver in front of them slowed down a bit too quickly, let alone actually hit something and stopped.

As the driver of a wide vehicle who needs the whole lane, it drives me nuts when personal vehicles cut across the empty, "No parking from here to curb" parking lane to turn right, instead of actually getting into the lane, leaving the rearmost part of their vehicle still sitting in the middle lane as they wait for a chance to complete their turn.

I'm not talking about people piling into the intersection at advance greens. That's right up there with mild speeding for things I'm not even going to bother trying to discourage people from doing. This is about lanes with their own dedicated light, where you can only go on the arrow, no waiting in the intersection. People will try and keep piling through 'til the last second. Problem is, once that light turns red, the crosswalk signal starts, so at intersections with lots of foot traffic, cars trying to complete their (late) left turn get cut off by pedestrians, and are then left blocking all oncoming lanes. This doesn't happen all the time, but I definitely see it a few dozen times a year.

Exactly what it says on the tin. Stepping slightly off the sidewalk definitely helps too. It shouldn't in theory, but in practice, a lot of drivers aren't paying too much attention to anything beyond the asphalt. Finally, don't step back and wave drivers on while waiting for traffic to clear? What's even the point of the crosswalk then? Of course, this is only for crosswalks in the middle of nowhere. At a controlled intersection, just go on the light.

So, I did a bit of research, and apparently this is yet another thing that is uniquely a point of contention in the US, while being a complete non-issue everywhere else. Here in Canada, cars built after 1990 have to have daytime running lights. I drive for eight hours a day, and trust me, cars without light are definitely a lot less noticeable, even in bright sunlight.

Now, I'm pretty sure very few people actually do this, but I included it because it's annoying as hell. Had a police officer do it just the other day, then proceed to go zipping down a 50kmh road at what must have been about 80...

This is a big one. People usually know when it's their turn, they don't need you telling them when to go, especially when they're not supposed to be going yet. Same goes with letting people in from side roads. If traffics congested, sure, let a gap open, but if traffics flowing smoothly, keep it that way. They'll get their chance. I've lost count of the number of times I've waited for one last car to pass, only for that last car to stop to let me in, which I would have been able to do if they just kept going. Needless to say, I don't take them up on it, because if they decided to stop waiting at just the wrong time and hit me, I would be entirely in the wrong.

Fuck people who don't signal give me a chance to give you room don't just swerve into me. Also if I signal I'm coming over so don't speed up

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I don't know you @OP, but I love you.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Everyone makes minor errors, amirite? If they do it wrong every time, need to be splain. I don't get angry at errors.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I was in unfamiliar spot, had odd 2x merge lanes w 2x yield, thot i was merging correct. fucked up. Once. Angry horns = Embarrassing.

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Also, if you are going 60mph in the fast lane when there is not a lot of traffic, you are an asshole. Get over!!!

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

I've been guilty of the last one. I learned that on my own after causing confusion a few times.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That first one, always gets me. Been nearly hit going down a street. Now when I drive it, I pretend everyone forgets how to stop.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My biggest peeve is when a large, slow vehicle pulls out in front of me, when there is no traffic behind me for 10 miles.

9 years ago | Likes 68 Dislikes 0

Or when you are just cruising down going the limit and some ass pulls out in front of you. With no one in sight behind or in front of you.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My pet peeve is asshats who use the right turn lane to bypass congestion then try to merge back. If the lights red they block any legit

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Right turners. Just sit there with there signal light on blocking fucking traffic, I let them in because of the people behind them. But fuck

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

My dad was a HGV driver. One of the biggest things to piss him off trying to leave stopping distance between him and the car in front. 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

2/2 He'd create the gap only for some fuckwit to change lanes and move into it.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The drivers that use the left turning lane in the road as a merge lane into traffic flow frustrate me to no end.

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Headlights are not there to help you see, they help others see you. Could not agree more.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

#2 Lucky if people maintain a 2 second following distance. I wish cops gave more tickets that.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Literally I'm always shouting "chill out" when people are coming up to a stop at 60 mph

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I say bitch alot on the road when someone does some dumb shit. I guess i should wash my mouth with soap more often.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I scream at people turning into my lane. They make me slow us both down by acting like they're gonna drive into the side of my car...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Like-- just come to a complete stop! If you inch forward, I'm just gonna fucking slow down and wait.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

People going into the middle turn lane from parking lots at full speed!! I'm going to swerve one of these days.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The last one tho. I fucking hate when people do that at stop signs. Ill sit there for a fucking hour if someone else has the right of way.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Use your hands. Some people won't get it otherwise.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Actually made the front page about a year ago with the last one alone. (Different wording, and it was a puffin). It's my biggest pet peeve.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Im not gonna get tboned by a jackass i thought i saw wave me on and end up having it be my fault because he had the right of way.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Use the on ramp to its fullest potential! Get your ass up to Highway speeds before merging!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I mean, heavy dump truck, okay, I get it if that's not doing 65. But a Buick should not be pulling in front of me at 45 when I'm going 65.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Try someone getting on at 25-30, in front of loaded trucks going downhill...

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also, don't fuck around with big rigs and people hauling trailers. They start and stop more slowly and weigh a lot more than you.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My dad put it as "If you argue right of way with a truck, it won't matter that you're right if you're squashed flat"

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So much shit on i25 and i225 in Colorado

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

My dad got hit by someone who ran a stop sign 25 years ago. He still flinches when someone rushes up to a stop sign.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Trust everyone to drive selfishly, but please keep in the left lane unless overtaking.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I will never trust people to know the rules of the road or to obey them. I grew up in Northern VA

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I've always hated driving to/through North VA/DC/Baltimore, feels as though the cars are going to kill me, and I'm driving a semi.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Three seconds at a stop sign sounds like I'll get rear ended 3 times a week at least.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Don't sit there for three seconds. It just takes an extra three seconds or so out of your day to stop... then roll forward.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Wish people would figure out zipper merging.

9 years ago | Likes 195 Dislikes 4

I'm afraid that is one of the true unsolvable, international problems.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

i wish people would figure out 4-way stops

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Your mom figured out how to merge into my zipper

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

"Left lane closed ahead? Better rush past all these suckers waiting in a neat line in the right lane already and merge at the front!" -Cunt

9 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 18

Well here in Germany that is a definite rule that is taught in drivers ed. Sometimes even Police enforced when important roads are clogges.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's like the definition of a zipper merge

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

Yes, that's exactly what you should do. That's the actual definition of zipper merging...

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

Except... that's kinda what you're supposed to do, for optimal traffic flow.

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Wrong, that's what assholes tell themselves, using as much space previous would be optimal, not waiting for the necessity to merge.

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So, you're wrong. Using the entire merge lane is better for traffic and safety. No use in having an entirely empty lane for no reason

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This is only the case because there are assholes who don't merge when the lane ending signs pop up. The whole reason it's backed up is>

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

No you get over when there's room you don't go to the end and hope there is room and make people break to make room

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And this is why we can't have nice things

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you don't have to "hope" for room if people know how to zipper-merge though. it's safer and more efficient too

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

There's merging lanes for a reason, if you purposefully go all the way to the end of it: dick move & enjoy being parked there.

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why though? If I have an entire merging lane to use, why not use it all?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

It's there for you to find time to merge, not cut in a line.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I mean, I don't actually do it that way (because America), but using the entire merge lane increases overall road capacity and throughput.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's all fine and good but in general not safe. If there's room to do it, fine. If it's bumper to bumper already that's different.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Asshats turning left that just kinda drift into the right lane causes so many collisions when others just wanna make a right on red.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Technically, the people who are making the right on red don't have right of way. They do if their light is green

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They don't unless it's a green arrow. Green solid dot means yield to traffic till safe to turn.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Actually, they do (at least in CA). When turning left, with two left turn lanes, if you start in the left hand one, you must finish in 1/

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

the left hand one too. Someone turning right on red has every right to turn into the right hand lane. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That my be, but I am pretty sure changing lanes in an intersection isn't necessarily legal either. I am talking more than one lane too

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

It's like U-Turns. It's legal if you do it safely... and if anyone was close enough to see you do it, then it probably wasn't done safely.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Your supposed to go 100 feet last I checked before changing lanes (from an intersection that is)

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What irks me most is people impeding traffic in the left (passing) lane, if someone is behind you in the left lane you've failed.

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Sometimes when your 80000 lbs, it takes a little longer than 4wheelers.

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My area has left and right exit lanes on the freeway. I hate when I'm going 5 over and have to exit left, and somebody gets pissed I'm slow.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You haven't driven in upstate NY then. The consensus is you're fine as long as you're passing people.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

That's not just the consensus - that's the law. @Devious11 is incorrect.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

it's not the law if the police refuse to enforce it. many a time where i was stuck behind a truck for miles and cops did nothing

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Was that truck also passing people? If so - he has every right to be there.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

i mean, if barely passing at a couple mph counts as passing. sometimes, not even. trucks will still try to pass while going the speed limit

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not true - the only rule for the left lane is to be going faster than the person to your right, nothing at all about the person behind you.

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Idk about that. When I'm doing 75 in a 65zone on the freeway, I don't feel guilty making people switch to a slower lane to pass me.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

Your user name is wrong. Left lane is for passing, if you're being passed you aren't passing. Get in the right lane.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Your username is right, tho. Get out of your hick town and you'll learn about this magical thing called a freeway with more than 2 lanes.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

If they can switch to a slower lane, that means you could too - and you should.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Not if they're traffic weaving. I've got a right to put a good 2-3 carlengths in front of me at that speed.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Actually, 20-30 car lengths at that speed, and yes, agreed, dicks who weave through people's stopping gaps are... dicks.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(3 seconds at 60mph is 80.4m, cars are on average 4m long, so 20 car lengths is the safe gap at that speed).

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

20-30 car lengths? Lol. You aren't from California

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9 years ago (deleted Feb 7, 2021 5:23 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I'm not sure if this was meant to be a joke, but I completely agree with it. Regardless of speed, if you're not passing someone, move over.

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9 years ago (deleted Feb 8, 2021 4:03 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

That's rather the point - @Devious11 is trying to claim that you should move over no matter what if the guy behind is faster. That's not 1/

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the way it works - the way it works is that if you are passing someone, you have every right to be in that lane, whether someone wants 2/

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to pass you or not. Of course, as soon as you have a gap to move over and are not passing any more, you should, but you are not 3/

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Actually in some states it is law if you are in the left lane and are impeding traffic you can be fined.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You're not impeding traffic if you're overtaking someone.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you're keeping 11 car lengths distance on the highway (length/10kph) you're gonna piss a lot of people off

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It's only 55m at 110 km/h or just under two seconds.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Around Indianapolis, it's difficult to keep 1-2 car lengths off of people at times.

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Distances can be hard to judge on the highway. It's really not that far at all.

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That's fair, it definitely feels like half that distance if you use the two 1000s rule, but I've never measured it

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As someone who drives a large truck occasionally: I hate making turns when cars think the "stop" line is the "Stop well past this line" line

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I love that, because I'll make my turn anyways. Either they back up, or I'm popping my brakes until they move.

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Or when you take two lanes for a turn, and they sneak right up into your kick-out area.

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We have a glorious little intersection in Bergen. If you cross the line you WILL block any bus coming around the corner.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Aaaand there is nowhere else to go than onto the sidewalk to get out of the road for the bus. I see people do that at least once a week.

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That safe following distance one drives me crazy.. tailgaters everywhere on the freeway.

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Urmehgad California drivers.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

literally pretty much every state

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

In Los Angeles 4inches constitutes the proper distance between cars on the freeway for other people not to merge in between.

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Fuck them they're behind you. Not your problem

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Until you get rear ended when traffic slows. That is my problem.

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Sounds like you should scan ahead/further more often

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Then don't sit in the left lane

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If the speed limit is 60, and I'm already doing 70, there's no reason for someone to tailgate me. You wanna speed even more? Go around.

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Often I get tailgated even when I'm pushing 10 miles over the limit, and I'm never in the left lane unless I'm passing

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I don't brake check, but I absolutely slow down when someone rides my ass.

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The only time I'll slightly ride someone's ass is when they're going 60 in a 65 in the very left lane. Move to the right if you want to slow

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Then go around them. Like I understand it's bullshit, go the speed limit, especially if you're in the fast lane, but ass riding ain't cool

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And could end up hurting a lot of people if things go wrong

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I'm a passenger with second hand road rage. They get a pair of middle fingers out the window.

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In Austin. So many close calls because people going 50 just stop on the interstate. Have to stop in 1000 ft without getting ramed myself.

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I only do it when I know the guy next to me is going to cut me off. It annoys me though when I do back off far enough it happens anyway

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Always drive with my headlights and foglights on, fyi foglights are not the same as brights.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

No, foglights only when it is legitimately foggy. I wish everywhere ticketed for foglights on clear days.

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What the hell is wrong with foglights? They're dull orange lights that point at the ground. They're like... the least offensive of lights.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

If it isn't foggy, but the roadway is wet, it causes a reflection off the road that is distracting, which is why it is ticketed many places.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Most cars nowadays (mainly in the US), come stock with foglights that are as bright as some high beams.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Dingdingding. And they aren't needed when it isn't foggy, and if the roadway is wet, it causes reflections that are super obnoxious.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In my country fog lights are bright lights (not high beams), we don't have those orange lights you talk about.

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Sorry OP, but as long as I don't have a red arrow or red light, I'm turning left whether or not there is a green arrow, that's the rule

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And those who do will have right of way over those making right on red's. If their light is green, then they have RoW

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"This is about lanes with their own dedicated light, where you can only go on the arrow"

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yes, even if I'm in that lane, and there is no red arrow, but there is a green light, you can turn if it's clear

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Then, that lane doesn't have a dedicated light, where you can only proceed on the arrow. OP didn't mean "left when clear" lanes.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

there could be a green arrow, but not a red one. i would still be allowed to turn. downvote me all you want, that's the law where i am

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Again, that means that lane doesn't have a dedicated light, i.e. a red arrow. If it just has a green/green+yellow arrow, it's a shared light

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