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ErniesWidow
And we all need to refer to men with "male pattern baldness" as "the follically challenged"
lamontcranston
The removing of 'troubling' terminology is PR to improve sales. The slave labor is to cut costs. Both make sense under capitalism.
RabidDingo
crocostyle
ngl first one just feels like rage-baiting.
LordNergal
That's 100% what it is. Just like that Community episode about the guy LARPing a Drow being censored.
pointybracket7717
Unpopular opinion: 95% of all this new woke rhetoric is just lip service. And big corps are taking advantage of it
illegalacorn
where do you think you are?
SlightlyAngryAtAllTimes
HoochIsCrazzy
makes sense when you think about which one impacts their bottom line
Sxualhrssmntpanda
They both do. "Woke" image PR from the first to try and bring in more revenue, and cutting costs by using slave labour. Cash is their god.
turkeydonkey
Apple: we fully support using secondary labor in the manufacture of our products.
voodoosuicide
Fucking hilarious
LurkerOfDarkness
Let's just change the word secondary to slave then.
RelativeVelocity
Fuck me, I wasn't supposed to laugh at this, but I did
hopsbro
fractal5
Really need to use the De Niro gif from analyze this
SnxLorde
daily reminder that blacklist comes from a 17th century play about regicides and had no reason to be removed
ADegenFromUpcountry
Sssh! Don't spoil the narrative
lofiloop
But primary/secondary still induces hierarchy. Aren't we against that nowadays?
LightStriker
Problem with Primary/Secondary is it doesn't have the same meaning as Master/Slave when it comes to class interaction.
LightStriker
Like Trunk/Branches, Base/Derived, Parent/Child, etc, are all used for very specific situation.
Crowlands
Performative progressivism is an Enemy of real progressivism.
Crowlands
It is, at best, doing literally nothing. Most of the time, it is used as propaganda by conservatives, and an excuse not to make real change.
AutoFox
I frankly get irrationally angry when I hear about tech companies changing their technical terminology in an effort to make it more >>
AutoFox
>> politically correct. To be clear, this example doesn't actually hurt anything, but some companies go to the effort of editing actual >>
AutoFox
>> CODE, which can lead to major problems with backwards compatibility. Messing with terminology on the machine level is seldom wise.
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
That is exactly what is happening. They're updating the code.
anotherIngloriousHandle
but primary/secondary have totally different meaning
NoGunsNoCats
Oh that's terrible! (Typed on an Apple phone, probably.)
Rifneno
Jesus, I haven't seen master/slave since the IDE days...
gyzmok
I might be misremembering, but I thought it was more used in SCSI
KoRplussomeletters
No, SCSI has device ID (0-15). IDE was always master/slave. In a way it makes sense because the master device had no control over the slave.
ChloeRed
And the silly thing is a lot of setups used both terms. You'd have a primary and secondary IDE chain, each could have master and slave drive
RuBisCO1
Yeah I have no problem with the printer slave computer, no slave labor though thank you.
skinkabamba
Well, one is easy way to score brownie points from wokecrowd and the other would cut into profitmargins
UpsideDownBranana
Client/Server
tennisVoter
But my pronouns are Master or Daddy
beward
how stupid. what next, replacing "black hole" with "your mom"?
Azawarau
All this inclusive language talk is always bullshit from almost anyone that says it. It fails to address the core of any meaningful issue
Lemmingofdarkestnight
Change the language, not the cash flow.
byohzzrd
Play the game, collect the winnings.
tevyethemad
Cant do anything to hurt Capital. Just look at "very progressive" Starbucks' response to a union effort.
TheGriffin
"Working at Starbucks is like being on a train to a Nazi death camp and having a blanket you share with your fellow passengers"
TheGriffin
I'm only slightly paraphrasing the actual statement
aflarge
Remember, if you vomit out enough platitudes you don't have to actually do anything.
aflarge
It's like carbon credits, but instead of """"offsetting"""" your impact on the ecosystem, it's so you don't have to stop enslaving people.
aurora994
I submit that it be changed to submissive and dominant, that should iron out the kinks.
LizardEnterprises
Skr121
Are you an exec speaking off the record?
wellladeedaa
Companies should legally be foreign entities if their products, or pre fabricated resources to be sold, are not within the US
Tesseract09
The products have to be in the US to sell to people... They expect to receive what they paid for, it's not an NFT.
wellladeedaa
I'm so high right now I'm happy with conveying intent
RooGryphon
i prefer made in USA down to the bolts holding it together
BigDaddysMeatWagon
I swear, the only thing I've purchased that's actually made in the USA is gun parts.
SerialElf
Even that you have to watch for.
LordBaneoftheSith
Companies love coming up with random shit they think they'll get good pr for, especially when it makes no sense.
LordBaneoftheSith
Half the time I'm convinced it's intentionally stupid to give the right wing talking heads more to bitch about.
Textuality
I think mostly it's that companies seem terrified of screeching idiots on twitter. They threaten, companies capitulate. It's extortion.
LordBaneoftheSith
Yes, but it's important to remember liberals aren't really progressive, so these corporate types are actively looking for BS they can do
LordBaneoftheSith
that won't effect any of the change real progressives want but will give them something to put in their ads to make them *seem* progressive
LordBaneoftheSith
The same way Pelosi & the dem leadership kneeled in Kente cloth last summer, then turned around and shipped more $ to cops
storebrandproductmascot
The key part is that it costs them no money to do it. Rejecting actual slave labor will lower their profit margins. Terminology won't.
khora
Are we going to remove all references to “black” now, regardless of etymology?
anotherdeadaquarian
technically, there should be different terms for dark skin tones and the concept of the color black. there is weird linguistic baggage in>
anotherdeadaquarian
every language which helps us define the world despite the psychologic effect, but language and social dynamics are way exaggerated today
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
I think its for Gaelic but "Black man" meant devil so they just started calling 'black' people "blue men" instead.
anotherdeadaquarian
that's AWESOME
DukeDarkwood
What will we call black holes? Or Black Friday? Or Jack Black?
whatseventhepoint
Don’t you mean Jack African-American?
LordNergal
Depends; are you talking about stellar remnants, gravitational singularities with no stellar origin, or black suns? Human science 1/
LordNergal
currently lumps all three together as "black holes," though in your defense it's nearly impossible to detect the difference with your 2/
LordNergal
current level of technology. -Your reptilian alien overlords 3/3
DukeDarkwood
Stop pretending you're a reptilian. It's embarrassing. You're an elder god. Own it. Also: 'black suns'?
HardcoreMango
Massholes, stampede-someone-to-death-for-discounts-day and Simple Jack
bl0rpen
Underrated comment right here.
Cyclicus
I dunno, “Thank you, Primary” just doesn’t sound as sexy.
evicshen
I prefer "Mother Son"
electronicbovine
You've been a very good replica.
LurkerOfDarkness
It sounds like something from an 70's or 80's sci-fi movie, and now I want to watch It.
tr3buchet
and that’s why you’ll always be a secondary
khora
Amazon Master
casbott
BurlRavenscroft
I’d have an incognitus winduh
GeneralMinuteman
They're going to replace master/slave with employer/employee.
upfr0mhere
App algorithm / "independent contractor"
TheShaffinator
wait there's a difference
kwilson25j
You can go to jail for that
RestlessVagabond
You say that in future tense like it hasn't already happened.
kwilson25j
I’ve had this question myself for my industry…. Master/slave was the old terminology and I’m not sure what, if any, the new one is.
BetterOffSingle
My company switched to leader/follower and avoidance groups
Sharpteeth
top/bottom
OverpricedCrayon
The 3D software I use for work uses Parent/Child.
skylardarkfox
For database replication it seems to be primary/replica.
icyanddicey
It should be dom/sub.
LordNergal
I find it sad I can't find any Rule 34 of master/slave hard drives.
GreaterDog
Had the same initiative at my company. Host/primary and aux were the suggestions. Most of the other terms didn't have alternatives given
kwilson25j
Primary/secondary is already in use for another system.
ThereItIsISaidIt
Are sub and dom taken?
kwilson25j
No. But not sure that would go over well lol.
KiwiGameDev
Ah come on! We got master/slave already! This is just the same but consensual!
DysgraphicProgrammer
The Master/Slave can refer to a lot of different relationships. Trying to rename makes it obvious that m/s was never a good abstraction.
Jarjarthejedi
Yep. Realistically we need 4 or 5 terms for all the different relationships we pretended were m/s, but that's a hard sell.
DysgraphicProgrammer
Off hand:Primary/backup,supervisor/worker,Original/Replication,Central/periphery, First/second, server/client, origin/cache, speaker/listen
HedonistBeard
It's a hard sell but once you do it you realize that accurate good communication is the root of all good relationships.
poughdrew
There is no standard. Python is parent/worker. I've used producer/consumer. ARM uses... manager/subordinate like the wankers they are.
GadenKerensky
ARM was just fighting for their freedom, CORE were the wankers.
poughdrew
Initiator/Target was used by Fujitsu.
kwilson25j
None of these would work for my job
DamascusFire
This fucking shit has nothing to do with racism
Faulancer
While this is true it is confusing or even hilarious for non-tech people. I had that every time i used the terms when presenting my work.
DiningKruger
Yeah, but damn if it ain't a real good distraction.
witheredspoon
You are right, as long as the money flows they really dont care who they exploit.
Prinzka
Fucking corporate feel-good lip service.
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BigDaddysMeatWagon
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the master/slave and term "blacklist". Not the real, actual slavery in China.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Oh.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
PineappleLoopsBroether
pyroshen
Well it does, when it doesn't affect the bottom line
bl0rpen
The idiot tax bottom line is, and remains unaffected. This company has spent tens of thousands on patents for rounded rectangles ffs.
Jarjarthejedi
I mean, blacklist doesn't (*), but master/slave is terminology born out of that time period. It's completely divorced from those
M1ssPlace
Slavery existed loooong before the new world was even discovered.
Jarjarthejedi
...Ok. Neat. I was talking about the use of master/slave /as computing terminology/, which originated in 1904 based /specifically/ on the
M1ssPlace
Yes, as was I. The term was not specifically based on slavery as it existed in the US. That's quite a leap.
Jarjarthejedi
Sure thing kiddo. Cited source showing it originated in the world of computing based on US slavery systems and explicitly using metaphors
Jarjarthejedi
racial slavery that was well known at the time, but sure, downvote the guy providing actual information because you don't like it. Lol.
Jarjarthejedi
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236752849_Broken_Metaphor_The_Master-Slave_Analogy_in_Technical_Literature
Jarjarthejedi
connotations now, but it certainly originates there. And, frankly, it's dated terminology anyway. Most modern master/slave systems are more
Jarjarthejedi
leader/follower anyway. As a programmer, I can understand not wanting it to change, but there is an enticing opportunity there for better
Jarjarthejedi
(as in /better able to describe what's happening/) language here. That said, "we use slave labor today" Apple trying is a complete joke.
TjD1974
The term slave derives from pretty white eastern european tribes so how is this racist?
NSFWisSuitedForToiletsAtWork
Shhhhhh don't get all etymological. Slavery was bad for black people. Also like all other slaves but you know.
Jarjarthejedi
Because the term /as used in computer science/ originates from the view of American race-based slavery.
Jarjarthejedi
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236752849_Broken_Metaphor_The_Master-Slave_Analogy_in_Technical_Literature
Jarjarthejedi
(ah, always love good old imgur. Upvote uninformed opinions, downvote sourced facts. Never change lol)
Jarjarthejedi
It was /specifically/ intended to have the connotations we consider negative about slavery today, even using the term "runaway slave" in
Jarjarthejedi
its patent application.
Jarjarthejedi
(*) Notably "blacklist", like a lot of other terms that use "black" as "bad" (and correspond with words that use "white" as "good"), is a
Jarjarthejedi
bit problematic, even if the origin isn't /strictly/ racist. That said, again, there are some way better suggested terms here. I /love/ just
FlorbFnarb
Nothing "problematic" about it, because it isn't associated with skin color; "white good, black bad" is universal, and has nothing...
FlorbFnarb
...to do with skin color.
Jarjarthejedi
using "blocklist" instead, as it's honestly clearer what it means and it's close enough to be an easy shift.
PaolaSandiego
I heard that also darkweb is considered problematic. I always assumed that dark/black in those examples referred to shadows /light...
fennecbutt
Problematic? Explain yin yang light dark coming out of Asia before they even really knew that Africa existed. Do you know where this concept
Jarjarthejedi
...Ying/Yang is a great counter-example to the idea that it's universal, as in Asian culture white and black are neither good nor bad.
fennecbutt
Actually likely comes from? Night and day!!! Surprise, surprise, nothing to do with skin colour at all.