I am overcome by my own suffering, and the immense desire to bathe the world in the blood of fascists and billionaires, some small hope of sanity taking the reins.
kirk didnt change anything, its just the lastest excuse. it wont stop unless the GOP decides to stop, even then. they would lose control of the extremist. they arent gping to do that. the threat of violence wont end unless the GOP is ended and the fragments stopped.
Sadly, there are a lot of examples of what the "U"SA will look like, but it'll be its own example for future generations of how a struggling country was turned into a nightmare.
On a personal level, it took me over 20 years to learn to cry again and not stifle it. And even then, I still have to remind myself that it's okay. I used to cry at sad things a bunch when I was little. Then I got told to not be a baby and man up. At age 9. Took me until my 30s and when I found stuff that made me cry, it was way harder and for way longer than it probably should have been.
I've spent the last 3 years working on improving myself, and learning to live with my autism. And my every attempt to make meaningful connections with new people have failed.
It's so hard to maintain motivation when the people I care about don't see or acknowledge it. And it's hard to have confidence in yourself when you have zero successes to back it up...
Something else I learned — not panicking or having a response to a panic-inducing traumatic event is a sign of severe past trauma! Here, my "being cool under intense pressure" is just because my childhood was a trauma-filled wonderland!
Wait that is so sad is this real for most men? I mean I guess a lot of guys don't talk about their feelings with their male friends, but surely they have a mother, a girlfriend or any type of listening ear they can turn to?
I cope by making jokes. Then if I get serious with someone I thought I could trust... they think I'm joking so... yeah. Plus, I'm seen as the old guy, 52, that doles out the comfort and advice, nobody to really talk to.
Im 42. I didnt have anyone for a very long time. I moved halfway across the country at 33. Met a whole new friend group of men that actually gave a shit about each other and then met my wife that encouraged me to talk about feelings. We ask each other everyday how we are actually doing today. It took a while to begin to open up but it has helped tremendously. Before that, bury it down and keep going.
Speaking for myself as a 43 year old man, I didn't have a person, male or female, until just recently. I dated, I was even married at one point. I knew it was wrong to keep it to myself, but I couldn't break free from the cycle. Even knowing it's toxic, doesn't always make it easier. I was lucky to find a woman who makes me feel safe, but not every man finds that person.
Hi miss. Masculinity whether toxic or otherwise is not something that is supported. Men and young men especially have fewer places to turn to than ever before.
Its only kind of a joke, but what outlet is there for a safe space for young men to learn to be men?
The YMCA doesn't exist for men anymore.
The safest spaces online don't exist. Their all breeding grounds for toxicity, grooming or both. Mothers don't care. Father's don't care. Where should they turn?
I actually found out for the first time that my dad was proud of me for how I took care of my family and how hard I worked for them.. in a eulogy from his oldest friend.
I'm slowly overworking myself at work and at home to take care of my kids and depressed wife and dealing with the knowledge that my birthday will be forgotten again this year... so average.
I was so glad to have my therapist to confide in for the past two years, on a weekly basis. Now that the therapy is coming to an end i see her less and less, once a month now and it feels like such a loss. I have no one else i would trust as much as her.
This hits a little hard. I've been going through mental struggles and don't talk too anyone. Because when I cry im weak. When I yell im abusive. Its just better to be quite.
Hell nah, a compliment would help though. I only get compliments when I make flirty jokes with other male managers at work. And then we both compliment each other lol
I'm better than I've ever been. But unfortunately doing the work, addressing your trauma, getting on the right meds, and owning your shit can put relationships into perspective. I feel better, but I'm hurting more.
With sudden involuntary separation, there's so much pain and anger and sadness and just... unimaginable amounts of loss, though they're still *physically* there and choosing not to share their energy with you...
It's what so many of us men were taught and shown that from young age, marriage was the end goal, the point. Having a partner was all you needed.
She invited me to a classical music concert at the end if the month.
Solely because her new lover can't go.
I suspect she is trying to breadcrumb me because I have started dating (just to meet new people)
And maybe to use jealousy on her lover.
I'm going, to show she has no power over me. And to plant the seed that if he is okay with her going to a concert with her husband, he can't care all that much about her.
I don't know how many different ways I can say it, but No. No we are not. By and large the overwhelming majority of men (like, 80-90% or more) are struggling deeply simply with a complete lack of emotional education. None of our fathers had it, none of their fathers had it and it's been a silent cornerstone of keeping the entitled patriarchy in place by hobbling our abilities to express ourselves in ways we feel others understand, leading us down dark roads of emotional isolationism.
i do have that education. and trying to encourage and share even a little bit of it with my friends is like offering tools and solutions to a brick wall
Some guys are hungry for change and extremely grateful for help, & totally ready to do the work. However, it feels like a lot of men are like, "No, emotions are women stuff so I need a woman to fix all of my emotional problems with blowjobs and scalp massages and telling me I'm perfect!". I struggle to even comprehend that level of entitlement and yet that's the bar they've set. Emotional work is WORK and life will continue to SUCK unless YOU DO THE WORK.
"Emotional isolationism." Yup. Don't want to burden friends constantly. Can't be fully open with family for a myriad of reasons. I'll just be stoic and introspective, alone.
Speaking as a man who got that emotional education and knows how to express himself about his feelings and struggles: Still fucked. Still not okay. Society still burning one's will.
I got that emotional education and I thought I knew how to express myself but then I had a breakdown when I thought I was fine because apparently I don't even know how to express myself to myself.
Echoing this. All the feels, asking the questions, articulate, vulnerable and still a man's man. Guess what? Partners don't know how to manage it or communicate their own needs in an emotionally intelligent way.
Trust me, it's all the Gens. I'm a young 57 yo male, and my partners have ranged from 38 to 58. Not saying we don't have our own issues, but holy smokes, women are not exactly sure what they need. All of it and none of it, depending on the minute....
So don't think you're wrong, but I think the opposite is true at the same time. I can't speak to anything other than cishet, but I think of men and women seeing the same thing from opposite ends of a prism. Or a bell curve. Bell curve is kinda good... They both agree on the top of the curve, but not how to get there. Boom, nailed it, first try.
So PCP (great username btw). I absolutely agree with your analogy. Even writing out initial statement left me sitting there trying to put the words together. It's definitely part of the frustration in any relationship, friendship or even child parent connection of the opposite sex. Just know we're frustrated, but we're trying.
The problem is, people don't really care, or maybe they do, but not enough... I'm going through a rough time with my father's dementia and the toll that is taking on my life. It's so much work, and stress and sadness and I talk about it with my friends at band practice a lot. Now I've been informed that if I continue to bring this "negativity" into the band, I will be kicked out. My friends are getting sick of hearing about it, after 3 years of this. Yes I should go to therapy but I can't afford
Through depression, ptsd, and broken friendships, I've learned a few things. Everyone has their own limit for listening to troubles. Friends aren't therapists, often have their own issues, and want to hang out to get away from everyday problems. Try not to bring your mental distress to your bandmates AT band. ASK them if they have the mental energy for you to talk about heavy stuff, and when's an ok time. Don't forget to thank them after, and let them know they've helped ease your burden.
That, I don't know if it's different for women, I hope so, and I don't want to come off as some sort of incel, because I find their ideology abhorrent, but men don't really have any inherant value, in this patriarchal society. We are only valued for what we can contribute. Labour or money or time spent. People only seem to care about me in terms of what I can provide for them. That's how my dad treats me, that's how my boss treats me, that's how my bandmates treat me. No amount of cliches
Or positive affirmations or "you are enough, you have value" statements and memes can change this, because the reality of it is apparent all around me. Most men have had this jarring experience of being TOLD over and over again that we should feel safe to open up and talk about our feelings, but when we actually DO that, everyone runs for the hills and it damages our relationships and its just kind of... not worth the social costs it incurs.
It's exactly this. There have been studies done on it as well. People hate it but it's partially due to the fact there's "female empowerment" everywhere you look and quite literally nothing about men. All men are really looked at for is what they provide. Look at dating and how people literally pass up on others based on what their occupation is or their salary. As you said, we're told we can open up and such but the second you do that everyone rolls their eyes at you.
Then you're told how they have so much worse problems. Especially if you open up to a woman.. they start going off usually about how terrible it is to be a woman. Funny enough I've seen a lot of trans men that go through a weird problem of losing that privilege they never knew they had. As a woman they were allowed to talk about anything.. as a man they're not allowed at all really. They actually think it'll be so great as a man and realize how lonely and isolated it is.
I think it's good and necessary that there is female empowerment and feminism and all that stuff. We shouldn't have to tear women down just to get what we need as men. It shouldn't be one or the other. There should be room in society for both men and women to have their own unique problems listened to and addressed. I hate that men's issues get hijacked by mysoginist groups like incels and MGTOW, because then our issues just get associated with these assholes and dismissed by mainstream society.
prindagelfnubkins
less so everyday
npcburner8888
I want to laugh. But I know if I show this to a friend of mine, he will adopt this as his response to anyone asking him how he's doing.
smoldix42069
Could be better. Would be cool not to have ww3 though.
Davros4213
I'm more worried about Civil War 2 right now.
smoldix42069
Oh that too.
TheMellowMoron
Guess we get to have both! https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cWVjZjB0b3B1NzBsejJvZjB6YzFpaHF2eGViNThleTFreXBweG94aiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/cKmOD1XTZyOUfcbBzp/200w.webp
Nismu
GiantSquanchy
Tchernobog
God damnit, take your upvote
KommanderKayriel
I am overcome by my own suffering, and the immense desire to bathe the world in the blood of fascists and billionaires, some small hope of sanity taking the reins.
GreyKnightTemplar666
I mean, I'm adjusted and content I guess. I'd be a lot happier if we didn't slip into a Christian nationalist country though.
MantisTobagganMD
That'd be pretty rad, if we didn't slip into a Christian nationalist country. Pretty cash money, if that did not fuckin happen.
LjubljanaJeNajlepseMestoNaSvetu
Have you considered emmigrating? We are looking for bus drivers, farm.hands and chimney sweeps
jbrightmans
"You try to raise your kids to be secular humanists but these showbiz types keep shoving religion down our throats." -Simpsons, season 16, ep 8
muliphen
Don't forget authoritarian! Though generally this Venn diagram has a significant overlap.
OldnFatBobba
Whoa there, buddy. You forgot *White Supremacist* Christian Nationalist *late-stage capitalist* country *under a kakistocracy*.
larndt31411
Are you me? Because.. same..
MrBoopyPutthole
Slip?
chewybrian
I think that's kind of a done deal at this point. I hope I'm wrong, but (gestures broadly...)
GreyKnightTemplar666
Yeah, since the Kirk death, I think they are going hardcore to finish the trump takeover
ProjectDA
kirk didnt change anything, its just the lastest excuse. it wont stop unless the GOP decides to stop, even then. they would lose control of the extremist. they arent gping to do that. the threat of violence wont end unless the GOP is ended and the fragments stopped.
chewybrian
They never took their foot off the gas since the last election. What would be left after 8 years of Vance? Not rights, intelligent debate...
michiyl
Sadly, there are a lot of examples of what the "U"SA will look like, but it'll be its own example for future generations of how a struggling country was turned into a nightmare.
Ijustwantquiet
Once you realize no one cares about a man's struggles, why should I care about a world that denigrates men so often.
porcinechoirmaster
What's that line? Ah, yes.
"I'm alright."
KumquatKarl
I get it man. Cause I'm alright, too.
netutoring
No, but most of us have learned, one way or the other, that nobody really cares.
netutoring
On a personal level, it took me over 20 years to learn to cry again and not stifle it. And even then, I still have to remind myself that it's okay. I used to cry at sad things a bunch when I was little. Then I got told to not be a baby and man up. At age 9. Took me until my 30s and when I found stuff that made me cry, it was way harder and for way longer than it probably should have been.
malfunctionm1ke
I 'm fine...
EggFooYung
FartingWiener
Banatine
No, I'm tired.
I've spent the last 3 years working on improving myself, and learning to live with my autism. And my every attempt to make meaningful connections with new people have failed.
It's so hard to maintain motivation when the people I care about don't see or acknowledge it. And it's hard to have confidence in yourself when you have zero successes to back it up...
zagibu
How can you be okay in this world?
SrPootStank
It's possible.
TheMellowMoron
fuckin HOW
SrPootStank
For me it's staying drug and alcohol free, and Taking antidepressants.
TheMellowMoron
weed. lots of weed.
ragnosdarth
Fuck if I know
ignotoCiResto
couldnt find a male version
thatdudeyousawthatoneday
No, I'm definitely not. But if you ask, "Nah, I'm fine".
DigitalDruid255
ballsoutflyer
I'm surviving.
Athol
Just hoping the thread I'm hanging on to will hold out a bit longer
MightyUrto
Okay? as in good? No. No fucking way. Tolerating? Meaning, 'I can hang onto this and not lose my shit', yeah.
MightyUrto
Something else I learned — not panicking or having a response to a panic-inducing traumatic event is a sign of severe past trauma! Here, my "being cool under intense pressure" is just because my childhood was a trauma-filled wonderland!
MuffinProof
evildicemonkey
080080
MissyBumblebee
Wait that is so sad is this real for most men? I mean I guess a lot of guys don't talk about their feelings with their male friends, but surely they have a mother, a girlfriend or any type of listening ear they can turn to?
fastjeff
I cope by making jokes. Then if I get serious with someone I thought I could trust... they think I'm joking so... yeah. Plus, I'm seen as the old guy, 52, that doles out the comfort and advice, nobody to really talk to.
SackTheRipper
Im 42. I didnt have anyone for a very long time. I moved halfway across the country at 33. Met a whole new friend group of men that actually gave a shit about each other and then met my wife that encouraged me to talk about feelings. We ask each other everyday how we are actually doing today. It took a while to begin to open up but it has helped tremendously. Before that, bury it down and keep going.
Sennox
Especially parents will Tell you to "man Up"
SackTheRipper
"Hey dad, I feel like I have a serious injury to my arm"... Man Up
NaroxSG
Speaking for myself as a 43 year old man, I didn't have a person, male or female, until just recently. I dated, I was even married at one point. I knew it was wrong to keep it to myself, but I couldn't break free from the cycle. Even knowing it's toxic, doesn't always make it easier. I was lucky to find a woman who makes me feel safe, but not every man finds that person.
080080
toxic masculinity makes it so the only relationship a man can have with a woman is sexual in nature.
CheapWine
Hi miss. Masculinity whether toxic or otherwise is not something that is supported. Men and young men especially have fewer places to turn to than ever before.
Its only kind of a joke, but what outlet is there for a safe space for young men to learn to be men?
The YMCA doesn't exist for men anymore.
The safest spaces online don't exist. Their all breeding grounds for toxicity, grooming or both. Mothers don't care. Father's don't care. Where should they turn?
CheapWine
Hmm I can't seem to change a typo.
*they're where appropriate in the last paragraph.
spaghettron3000
37, can confirm
enderite
Yup. Got no one. And I’m married.
enderite
I actually found out for the first time that my dad was proud of me for how I took care of my family and how hard I worked for them.. in a eulogy from his oldest friend.
His like a gut punch.
enderite
Hit*
EdelwoodHikes
I'm perfectly fine.
Clayman8
We're all fine, bro. Hey look a paper bag! Brb got to...uhh.... check whats inside.
TheDudeanator
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Zjh6aXVoc3Y2anNyeGg3amU5cGRxOTU2YTRvYnV0eHlwaTRtbGltcSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/PjU0WtzRVbQUO4qe6v/200w.webp
Zixtank
It's okay, brother. I'm fine too.
4Astaroth
It's okay brother. Let's stay fine. I'm fine here with you.
TheMellowMoron
how'd the weather up there on that pedestal of denial?
NotoriousBAS3000
Yeah well, not everyone lives in 'Murica
EdelwoodHikes
It's okay.
TheMellowMoron
fair. well. enjoy it for me, I suppose.
IWasACatAllAlong
Hey who keeps dropping all these tears on my head? Stop it.
J1m8ob
I'm slowly overworking myself at work and at home to take care of my kids and depressed wife and dealing with the knowledge that my birthday will be forgotten again this year... so average.
080080
Arkturus
I was so glad to have my therapist to confide in for the past two years, on a weekly basis. Now that the therapy is coming to an end i see her less and less, once a month now and it feels like such a loss. I have no one else i would trust as much as her.
willy0200112
This hits a little hard. I've been going through mental struggles and don't talk too anyone. Because when I cry im weak. When I yell im abusive. Its just better to be quite.
ForPriestSake
Hell nah, a compliment would help though. I only get compliments when I make flirty jokes with other male managers at work. And then we both compliment each other lol
overflowin2718
I'm better than I've ever been. But unfortunately doing the work, addressing your trauma, getting on the right meds, and owning your shit can put relationships into perspective. I feel better, but I'm hurting more.
Justanotherimgurbrowser
Men are conditioned by society to only rely on one person for emotional support: their partner/spouse.
This is also why breakups and divorce affect men significantly higher than it affects women.
The suicide rate for men is through the roof in this world.
All we want is to be held and told everything is gonna be okay, but nobody wants to do it.
My (soon ex) wife was great at this, until she found a younger man she fell madly in love with.
I lost my wife, my life and myself.
Rebuilding.....
TheMellowMoron
I feel you, my brother. I wish you better luck at rebuilding than I have found.
Justanotherimgurbrowser
I'm trying real hard.. every step forward is met with two steps back.
All I want is my life back.
TheMellowMoron
I know my dude. I know you do. I did too.
With sudden involuntary separation, there's so much pain and anger and sadness and just... unimaginable amounts of loss, though they're still *physically* there and choosing not to share their energy with you...
It's what so many of us men were taught and shown that from young age, marriage was the end goal, the point. Having a partner was all you needed.
That was always a lie.
I'm sorry, my brother. Truly.
I hope you find peace someday.
Justanotherimgurbrowser
I hope so too.
But it will be hard.
She invited me to a classical music concert at the end if the month.
Solely because her new lover can't go.
I suspect she is trying to breadcrumb me because I have started dating (just to meet new people)
And maybe to use jealousy on her lover.
I'm going, to show she has no power over me.
And to plant the seed that if he is okay with her going to a concert with her husband, he can't care all that much about her.
CobainsSarcoma
yes, but also oh god no.
TheMellowMoron
I don't know how many different ways I can say it, but No. No we are not. By and large the overwhelming majority of men (like, 80-90% or more) are struggling deeply simply with a complete lack of emotional education. None of our fathers had it, none of their fathers had it and it's been a silent cornerstone of keeping the entitled patriarchy in place by hobbling our abilities to express ourselves in ways we feel others understand, leading us down dark roads of emotional isolationism.
Sandyundertones
I don't think it is 80-90%. Maybe 70-80%, but more have it than you would expect.
Guidocat
Are you one of the middle aged men with high emotional intelligence and other men you can be vulnerable with?
OldnFatBobba
*ahem* https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1OGo2dDRxeXBlb3RoN3F5YnJkbXQ2cmtncnA0dGgzeTlnMWh3djB0ZCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/BpnkuY1i2rBpm/200w.webp (/s)
080080
quaggie
I see more and more active fathers, which I think is a good sign.
michealangleo
i do have that education. and trying to encourage and share even a little bit of it with my friends is like offering tools and solutions to a brick wall
Saturniidae
Some guys are hungry for change and extremely grateful for help, & totally ready to do the work. However, it feels like a lot of men are like, "No, emotions are women stuff so I need a woman to fix all of my emotional problems with blowjobs and scalp massages and telling me I'm perfect!". I struggle to even comprehend that level of entitlement and yet that's the bar they've set. Emotional work is WORK and life will continue to SUCK unless YOU DO THE WORK.
NickRivieraMD
Good news is, we can learn. But yeah it's a shit legacy and we've done it to ourselves (as a group).
Silversalvation
"Why are you crying? *checks notes* 6 year old? Man up!" "You like cute things? What are you? Gay?" "Why are you complaining? You sound like a woman."
NickRivieraMD
Well said.
pwnedbill
Yeah.
VagabondEngineer
Yeah..
Sypurist
Yeah...
TheMellowMoron
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1d3lmNXBteGQyM3VkMDlkOWkxNjM4amliZ2xzaTV0dTF5bzA0YzI0YyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/AwwgxQblzRW0V5sFfO/200w.webp
anlkeynz
All boys high school was the worst for this
NodYourHeadToThis
"Emotional isolationism." Yup. Don't want to burden friends constantly. Can't be fully open with family for a myriad of reasons. I'll just be stoic and introspective, alone.
minqapoc
Speaking as a man who got that emotional education and knows how to express himself about his feelings and struggles: Still fucked. Still not okay. Society still burning one's will.
WellAckchually
I got that emotional education and I thought I knew how to express myself but then I had a breakdown when I thought I was fine because apparently I don't even know how to express myself to myself.
NodYourHeadToThis
Same, man. I can express it well, it's the recipient that can't hang.
ChicanoBatman
Echoing this. All the feels, asking the questions, articulate, vulnerable and still a man's man. Guess what? Partners don't know how to manage it or communicate their own needs in an emotionally intelligent way.
melaniesgrace1
thanks for your honesty. fucked up genx woman over here!
BoobJiggle
Congrats on this single comment boosting your total points by 50%! lol
ChicanoBatman
Trust me, it's all the Gens. I'm a young 57 yo male, and my partners have ranged from 38 to 58. Not saying we don't have our own issues, but holy smokes, women are not exactly sure what they need. All of it and none of it, depending on the minute....
GloveFullaVaseline
So don't think you're wrong, but I think the opposite is true at the same time. I can't speak to anything other than cishet, but I think of men and women seeing the same thing from opposite ends of a prism. Or a bell curve. Bell curve is kinda good... They both agree on the top of the curve, but not how to get there. Boom, nailed it, first try.
ChicanoBatman
So PCP (great username btw). I absolutely agree with your analogy. Even writing out initial statement left me sitting there trying to put the words together. It's definitely part of the frustration in any relationship, friendship or even child parent connection of the opposite sex. Just know we're frustrated, but we're trying.
Rhythmaster
The problem is, people don't really care, or maybe they do, but not enough... I'm going through a rough time with my father's dementia and the toll that is taking on my life. It's so much work, and stress and sadness and I talk about it with my friends at band practice a lot. Now I've been informed that if I continue to bring this "negativity" into the band, I will be kicked out. My friends are getting sick of hearing about it, after 3 years of this. Yes I should go to therapy but I can't afford
MissKittyKatKat
Through depression, ptsd, and broken friendships, I've learned a few things. Everyone has their own limit for listening to troubles. Friends aren't therapists, often have their own issues, and want to hang out to get away from everyday problems. Try not to bring your mental distress to your bandmates AT band. ASK them if they have the mental energy for you to talk about heavy stuff, and when's an ok time. Don't forget to thank them after, and let them know they've helped ease your burden.
Rhythmaster
That, I don't know if it's different for women, I hope so, and I don't want to come off as some sort of incel, because I find their ideology abhorrent, but men don't really have any inherant value, in this patriarchal society. We are only valued for what we can contribute. Labour or money or time spent. People only seem to care about me in terms of what I can provide for them. That's how my dad treats me, that's how my boss treats me, that's how my bandmates treat me. No amount of cliches
Rhythmaster
Or positive affirmations or "you are enough, you have value" statements and memes can change this, because the reality of it is apparent all around me. Most men have had this jarring experience of being TOLD over and over again that we should feel safe to open up and talk about our feelings, but when we actually DO that, everyone runs for the hills and it damages our relationships and its just kind of... not worth the social costs it incurs.
eventide215
It's exactly this. There have been studies done on it as well. People hate it but it's partially due to the fact there's "female empowerment" everywhere you look and quite literally nothing about men. All men are really looked at for is what they provide. Look at dating and how people literally pass up on others based on what their occupation is or their salary. As you said, we're told we can open up and such but the second you do that everyone rolls their eyes at you.
eventide215
Then you're told how they have so much worse problems. Especially if you open up to a woman.. they start going off usually about how terrible it is to be a woman. Funny enough I've seen a lot of trans men that go through a weird problem of losing that privilege they never knew they had. As a woman they were allowed to talk about anything.. as a man they're not allowed at all really. They actually think it'll be so great as a man and realize how lonely and isolated it is.
Rhythmaster
I think it's good and necessary that there is female empowerment and feminism and all that stuff. We shouldn't have to tear women down just to get what we need as men. It shouldn't be one or the other. There should be room in society for both men and women to have their own unique problems listened to and addressed. I hate that men's issues get hijacked by mysoginist groups like incels and MGTOW, because then our issues just get associated with these assholes and dismissed by mainstream society.