And, ironically enough, each of them has this in common with all the other nationalist movements in the history of mankind. Their belief in their unique superiority is the least unique thing about them, and their belief they're set apart from all the rest of humanity shows how much they're a part of it.
Deep down they know it’s their angry unfuckable mediocrity that causes the desire to cling to any delusions of exceptionalism impervious to scrutiny. Snowflakes in a land of make believe. Simultaneously victim, and alpha depending on which one alleviates more growing pain in any given situation.
It is insane to be proud of where you were born. Having gratitude for it makes sense; there are objectively 'better' countries to live in for personal wellness, happiness, etc. Patriotism is dumb, nationalism is dangerous.
Patriotism isn't the same as nationalism, and I can see there being point to patriotism. Being proud of your country, of your "tribe" is not a bad thing. Just so long as it doesn't extend to putting other people down.
Competition is a super powerful motivator, and can be healthy.
Nah. I'm not proud of literally everything it's ever done, but there are still good things happening, and I'm proud of my country for doing them, and proud for my part in them, however small.
A compliment, isn't an exhaustive search to determine true good or bad. It's recognizing some, often small, thing.
I'm proud of the scores of people I've seen at no king rallies, those are my country men and women, fighting for a better America. I think that's a fair thing to be proud of.
I’ve never seen civic nationalism be called ‘tribal’ nationalism…that’s an odd old timey way to put it. Poster pretty clearly favours Descartes over Rousseau in the age old philosophical debate.
All five of those words have separate and distinct meanings, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Civic nationalism is an accepted term usually used in conjunction with ethnic nationalism or religious nationalism. Tribal nationalism is gibberish.
jnmjnmjnm
“Chosen people”, if you will.
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There are worse descriptions out there.
Garwoodxx
It also scapegoats minorities inside its borders. This is a strategy to distract as well as establishing primacy of the ruling group.
TheDefective
NinjaCongo
Oh so spot on! Arendt ftw!
Gogoglovitch
And, ironically enough, each of them has this in common with all the other nationalist movements in the history of mankind. Their belief in their unique superiority is the least unique thing about them, and their belief they're set apart from all the rest of humanity shows how much they're a part of it.
Eyeetsass
Deep down they know it’s their angry unfuckable mediocrity that causes the desire to cling to any delusions of exceptionalism impervious to scrutiny. Snowflakes in a land of make believe. Simultaneously victim, and alpha depending on which one alleviates more growing pain in any given situation.
localdisturbance
patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel
Az663
I tend to say this about politeness.
RedDeadPrevention
It is insane to be proud of where you were born. Having gratitude for it makes sense; there are objectively 'better' countries to live in for personal wellness, happiness, etc.
Patriotism is dumb, nationalism is dangerous.
TheDefective
Az663
HeresYourSauce
Patriotism isn't the same as nationalism, and I can see there being point to patriotism. Being proud of your country, of your "tribe" is not a bad thing. Just so long as it doesn't extend to putting other people down.
Competition is a super powerful motivator, and can be healthy.
DutchBoeremeisie
Yes, I've always understood patriotism to be positive and different to nationalism (negative).
NinjaCongo
As implied by your handle. The difference between a healthy and an unhealthy patriotism is exactly the pride, rather than gratitude.
Az663
Uh. Given the mechanics of how nation states work and function, you must live in a particularly singular paradise to be proud of it.
HeresYourSauce
Nah. I'm not proud of literally everything it's ever done, but there are still good things happening, and I'm proud of my country for doing them, and proud for my part in them, however small.
A compliment, isn't an exhaustive search to determine true good or bad. It's recognizing some, often small, thing.
I'm proud of the scores of people I've seen at no king rallies, those are my country men and women, fighting for a better America. I think that's a fair thing to be proud of.
ghornby
I’ve never seen civic nationalism be called ‘tribal’ nationalism…that’s an odd old timey way to put it. Poster pretty clearly favours Descartes over Rousseau in the age old philosophical debate.
jnmjnmjnm
Yours is “civic”; theirs is “tribal.”
Works the same with “religion” and “superstition” or “mythology”.
ghornby
All five of those words have separate and distinct meanings, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Civic nationalism is an accepted term usually used in conjunction with ethnic nationalism or religious nationalism. Tribal nationalism is gibberish.
jnmjnmjnm
I understand the distinction some people make. I just don’t think it is as big a difference as they do.
ghornby
If you make up new meanings to existing words no one who knows the actual definitions of those words will know what you’re trying to say.