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*cries in blaming mental illness*
Jun 13, 2022 11:06 PM
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jammer909
It's a weapon. That is it's purpose.
Lleonharte
propaganda shills protect your fucking rights or you will regret it
DemiDevinmon
They're a cooking tool. /s
PixelSprite64
a tool for starting engines?
LerryV2
I use mine for competition shooting and to collect historical firearms
dsmegst
A major issue is that too many gun guys have turned guns into a macho thing and lost respect for what they really are, a killing tool.
BrazilianThunderPanda
OliverClothesoff70
I own three pistols. I enjoy shooting at paper targets at my local range a few times a year. Other than that, they don't leave my house.
Ironbunny
OP's argument intentionally tries to associate firearms with murder, and ignores defensive and recreational use.
anxiouschickennugget
Thank you for being logical.
jstraw731
When i started driving a car i was told that it was a weapon and to treat it as such. Some people have seemed to lost respect for the 1/2
jstraw731
Of weapons. Be machines or guns or their damn mouth haha
EMHPicardo
TheHappyHermit
Cartoon from 2017... sad that there have been so many since then including MSD HS, Santa Fe HS, El Paso, Oxford HS, Buffalo, Uvalde, & more
PotOfJam
A gun can be a recreation item, many countries allow you to buy a gun for sport, it is the rules around it that are important.
nimdae
I love target shooting. I'm good at it. I still keep in mind what these things are designed for.
PotOfJam
Here in the UK we use .177 air rifles for our target shooting, there are bigger. 22 rim fire, but you need a license. Thoroughly enjoy it.
nimdae
I have big caliber guns. I love plinking with my .22lr. You still practice the same skills. The big guns are more...
nimdae
Monkey brain: "flip switch go boom"
WalksWithNoFear
Then I’ve killed a lot of paper and steel targets back in my day. Does this also make me mental?
Azazellosarmour
Guns do have specific uses the same way tools do. Different ammunition for specialized jobs too. Geese hunters will use a shotgun with
Azazellosarmour
bird shot. The same way bird hunters use special guns murders use special guns that are created for killing as many people as possible as
Azazellosarmour
efficiently as possible. The guns made for killing people efficiently are the guns to ban, ie assault rifles.
lysani
Nobody uses assault rifles in crimes, you're thinking of assault weapon instead. Also, handguns cause vastly more deaths than AR-15s.
Azazellosarmour
Yep, ban the Saturday night specials too. Good suggestion. Over 400,000 guns stolen from cars last year, pistols mostly.
Azazellosarmour
FWIW gunning down children is a crime.
lysani
And an assault rifle was not used in the committing of that crime.
Draqueus
I like to use it as a finishing touch to my Ramen
MrPappagiorgioFromYuma
A tool for killing is still a tool. A lot of tools can be used to kill. But, an insane person with a crowbar can only do so much damage.
MrPappagiorgioFromYuma
Hunted all my life. Shoulder arms should be bolt or pump action. Handguns, max 5/clip. If that’s not enough, ya don’t need to be shooting.
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ejic
What?
tlamstrike
As Kahless teaches us: "A thousand throats can be cut in one night by a running man." Or to put it in more Earthly terms...
tlamstrike
...don't underestimate what a mob armed with 500 tons of machetes can do to an unarmed minority.
abundanceofcreation
A crowbar is meant to pry open things, but can be used for harm.
MrPappagiorgioFromYuma
It’s also a place for Corvids to have a beer or two.
astrangehop
IDK, if I had a crowbar long enough, and a place to stand...
MrPappagiorgioFromYuma
Calicious
Tbh I only have guns in case dumbasses like the Patriot Front actually gain power.
ChallengerDeep
Gun lobby: "Everything but the gun is at fault."
itsthevoiceman
Anyone who's had gun training KNOWS they are only for death. First rule: don't point at anything you don't intend to destroy.
thedudeman519
Exactly.
nimdae
Well, first rule that I've always had hammered in me is treat every gun as if it's loaded. The pointing thing came second, but...
nimdae
...not necessarily less important.
ArkoneAxon
Yep. Treat it as a tool. "Do not plug in the saw until you're ready to cut. Do not put anything near the blade you do not want to cut."
tlamstrike
ArkoneAxon
This. Mocking the idea of "a good guy with a gun" obscures the fact that guns empower people who AREN'T "big manly ubermensch." There's a>
goodtimehadbyall
Ah, so you are for rules that only allow women, oppressed minority group members to have them? That white men have to give them up?
tlamstrike
"God created man, Sam Colt made men equal", or depending on your political views: "Marx defined the classes, Kalashnikov made them equal".
ArkoneAxon
reason why gun control in the U.S. was originally conceived to keep guns out of the hands of blacks (hell,similar laws applied to feminists)
GoatMittens
Means you can have storage/capacity safetystandards for your recreational and hunting weapons without idiots complaining about self defence?
goodtimehadbyall
Nicely ignores the fact that bigots exist everywhere, yet other countries have far more gun control laws, fewer guns , fewer deaths.
tlamstrike
What happens when those bigots gain power and no one has the power to oppose them? When those bigots decide that your ethnic group needs to①
tlamstrike
be exterminated or brought to heel you get the streets of Bucha. My Grandma's family came from that land, fleeing the last time those②
tlamstrike
same bigots decided her ethnic group needed to be conquered and their farms stolen. Never again.③
goodtimehadbyall
Standard laughable circular argument that pretends it is for the poor oppressed groups while ignoring actual events. Horde your guns Trumper
nimdae
That's actually kinda the point of the statement. So long as that violent hateful bigot can legally own guns, then so will I.
dualplains
It's like the argument that the Civil War was about state's rights. Okay, the right to do what, exactly....
Malloon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjsxhYetLM0
Kittynomnoms
Amusingly, even that falls flat. They wanted to force states to make slavery legal. Just the usual "we want freedom, you do what we say."
stsword
it's just a lie. SC complained about New York not allowing slave transport in their state. About letting black men vote. About not 1/2
stsword
2/2 cooperating with the Fugitive Slave Right. "States rights" was code for you cant tell us what to do but we can tell you what to do.
Falkh12
So the classic GQP handbook?
elicansmile
Oh boy, don't tell Apu.
dualplains
"Slavery it is, sir!"
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Gibleteousjack
...to own...very specific... property? My state (Arkansas) made it blatantly clear in a written document the exact reason.
minipancho94
It wasn't states rights though, since no state had the right to make any laws on slavery. It was in the confederate constitution.
mebe21
The whole confederacy copy-pasted the constitution with one obvious change "no state shall pass a law limiting rights to own slaves"
Frozenspokes
To my brother-in-law: I'll give you that it was about states rights if you acknowledge that the right was to own people.
minipancho94
The fun thing is the states couldn't even decide on that. The confederate constitution had slavery in it, therefore states had no right.
cornzilla
Do we have the same BIL? Are we related?!
Frozenspokes
Unfortunately, I think a lot of BILs have the same infection. Faux News syndrome.
cornzilla
Mine pulls the "I'm a libertarian that doesn't pick sides but I'm only going to shit on democrats and deflect when I get called out"sybdrome
thedudeman519
Yea man. I was following Libertarian circles for a few years when I noticed that many of them are just diet Rs, and barely at that.
minipancho94
Othernate
I get what you're saying - fascists are always hypocrites - but it's also perfectly okay to make a system where
Othernate
no one has the right to say, own a human being. Or block health care, human rights, etc. for stupid bigot reasons.
minipancho94
I think you missed the point of the comic. Its just sayingthe "states rights" dog whistle is complete bullshit, since states rights were 1/2
minipancho94
Being limited by their new constitution. That's basically it. It's historical revisionism and systemic racism by entrenched racist. 2/2
VaultGirl69
It also says we the people, not I the person. People don't care about compassion or morality if it inconveniences them even a little bit.
ArkoneAxon
For putting holes in things from a distance. It's not even the most dangerous thing you can legally purchase.
about92dwarves
ArkoneAxon
Koro Sensei was the best teacher EVER. Prove me wrong.
Midgarmerc
Onizuka.
Cranbananarama
Hoped I'd see this.
siegfriedwatson
As did I, I was not disappointed, muahaha
GWJYonder
Dumb Libertarian ex-coworker was found of this. "They are just tools for putting holes in things".
GWJYonder
If I took your guns and replaced them with hole punches would you be happy with that? No. because those are designed to make holes in 2/
GWJYonder
paper in your hand. I have an air rifle, it is designed to put holes in paper, or in animals under 2-3 pounds from a couple dozen 3/
GWJYonder
yards away. It takes 20-30 seconds each time I want to do this. Your rifles are designed to put holes in human-sized animals, from many 4/
GWJYonder
dozen yards away, once or twice a second. You tell me that they are for putting wholes in paper with your smarmy ass grin, but my 5/
GWJYonder
hole puncher and air rifle are tools for putting holes in paper. Yours is for killing human-sized animals, primarily literally humans.
nimdae
Guns have a singular design. Anyone who tries to deflect with “what about cars or knives” are just distracting from the actual issues.
nimdae
When someone does build up this straw man, always respond with what a gun is specifically designed for and never entertain the fallacy.
ImFunAtFunerals
Some guns are specifically designed for competition
cddf
What's the problem with Americans just admitting they fucking love guns, stop hiding behind the constitution and admit your hobby is more
cddf
Important than the safety and lives of others.
myotheralt
While my hobby is important, so is safety. That is why I train. That is why my guns are secured.
nimdae
Honestly, as an American with multiple guns who enjoys target shooting, my hobby is not at all more important than the lives of others.
nimdae
I've hated watching Texas gun laws become more and more lax over the last decade. I'd rather it go the other way.
nimdae
And the same legislators keep blaming things like mental health and then defunding things to actually do something about that.
cddf
America seems like a cluster fuck atm and I feel sorry for the normal Americans just trying to enjoy themselves
kirby422
I'm more for the "inflicting damage" description since shooting an inanimate object isn't killing, etc.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Why would you shoot objects tho? I guess you could shoot a door lock, but that's not what the locksmith does when you've locked yourself out
lysani
By inanimate object they very clearly mean target shooting at a range, so either steel target plates or paper stapled to a wood 2x4 frame.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Why do you shoot at a range? To train to become a better killer. If it's just for the sport of it, great. Use an airsoft gun. No need for...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
a target shooting enthusiast to own guns and ammunition that are capable of and designed for killing people.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Would be irresponsible to risk ricochets or harming s.one behind the door.Guns aren't reliable tools for anything other than maiming/killing
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
And even if the intent is to maim rather than kill there's a non-negligible risk of death,so they're arguably terrible at incapacitating ppl
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
A tool for self-defense.
nimdae
Unfortunately self defense with a gun is statistically rare. A big part of that is lack of training. The public isn't trained for it.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
I don't think it should fall to Joe Shmoe to play judge, jury and executioner for a desperate junkie or a guy trying to steal Joe's TV.
lysani
How do you know that person is only there to steal a TV? What do you do when they suddenly pull a knife and start trying to stab you?
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Seems unlikely unless you confront them instead of calling 911. Even then, burglars typically run when you so much as make some loud noise.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Burglaries happen in all countries. People almost never get stabbed in the process. Only in the US, these incidents often turn deadly and...
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
it's anyone's guess if it's the burglar or the home owner who gets killed in the process. Why? Because there are guns everywhere. Sometimes…
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
it's a presumed burglar who gets shot and it turns out it was a drunk neighbor kid or a spouse who came home at an unusual hour. Or the ...
nimdae
Desperate people can act irrationally, and if they are armed with something lethal, you should be able to defend yourself. This isn't being
nimdae
judge, jury, and executioner, which is why self defense is a defense in court.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
This is a bad faith argument. You know full well we're not talking about someone charging you with a lethal weapon in 99.9% of cases where …
nimdae
"...and if they are armed with something lethal..." does not imply they always do. And you can't always tell, either. If a desperate person
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Yeah, you can never tell. Anyone you meet in the streets could potentially pull a weapon and try to kill you. Shoot them all preemptively?
nimdae
breaks into my house at night and all I see is a shadow of that person because it's dark, I'm not going to ask if he's armed or not.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
people murder another person and claim self-defense. Gun owners fantasize about shooting anyone who breaks into their home or so much as ...
nimdae
My belief is anyone who buys a gun with the intention for self defense is a person who fantasizes about killing, and those are the ones to
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
sets a foot on their property uninvited. Some threaten protesters who walk on public property past their house. Some shoot black teenagers …
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Self-defense uses an appropriate amount of force to protect yourself from harm.There are remarkably few situations that justify lethal force
nimdae
Often, one cannot know what that appropriate amount is until after the fact. Hesitation to act can result in a failure in self defense.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
That's exactly it. Joe Shmoe doesn't know how much force is appropriate to deal with a burglar, so he had better dial 911 & call the experts
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
But then he has to survive and keep the burglar there for however long it takes 911 to show up.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Why would you keep the burglar there? If they leave, great. Danger averted. That's the second best possible outcome.
FiftyShadesOfMascarpone
Joe Shmoe thinks it's justified to shoot through the door because someone tries to open it & then it turns out it was a drunk neighbor kid
BonIvermectin
You COULD change your oil with a gun. I wouldn't recommend it though.
AlrightlyThen
Preety sure you can steer gumbo as well
Isleros
I dunno, if someone came in for an oil change JUST before closing, I just might.
DALLASLAVOWNER
apparently you can also use it to remove headrests
Patient00
Just blast that oil cap to shreds amirite, if you do that you don't even have to change your oil anymore.
petrolhead1987
You can also perform a root canal with a gun, wouldn't advise it though.
Lodrial
Clearly you have never seen the "Kitchen Gun" video-- I'm sure that line of products has an "Oil Change Gun"
AgentAtaraxia
HA HA HA HA! I LOVE YOU, KITCHEN GUN!
IsolatedAsshole
I'd watch that video.
vakler
Just hold it while draining, flushing, fitting filter/gasket, tightening and refilling? Guess I could use it to get a free oil change...
ianrl337
you could stir gumbo as well. kind of the same issue
Bigdragon12
VibratingNipples
And fix the gutter, just fire a few holes in it and problems solved
camn333
One problem solved at least, you'll need to come up with ingenious ways to use guns to solve your new problem after that.
Frederf
*gunbo
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
As a Louisianan I laughed.
CandiedCorn
If a kid was running around hitting people with a stick, I'd blame the kid, but I'd still take the stick away.
Ironbunny
but would you try in a futile attempt to ban sticks?
CandiedCorn
Untwist your panties. No one is "banning" guns. They're trying to limit access and require licensing. Not unlike driving a car.
CelestialOrionX
A ban on firearms will never happen. A ban on those not specified for hunting/protection could. Only a national law would work though.
Ironbunny
2/3 gun deaths are suicides. Of the rest very nearly all are with handguns. Ar15s are a scary red herring.
lysani
AR-15s account for something like 1% of firearm deaths annually, yet they're almost always the *only* type that politicians go after.
shmoogeeoogee
Ok and? A tool still doesn't do anything unless a person uses it.
tlamstrike
The Axon corporation is trying to correct that oversight.
L4t3xs
Nuke is just a tool. Let's sell nukes at wallmart. It's just a tool after all.
TheRockDude
Jeff: "Look man, it's just a tool. I'm not doing anything with it."
YoSamiteSam
The 2A people literally talk about taking over the government and killing the politicians. Anytime someone invokes 2A, that's why.
YoSamiteSam
Depriving you of your right to a representative democracy, you can run for office and vote as long as some gun nut doesn't ice you.
Bigdragon12
But what did you make the gun for? A hammer I'd use to hammer a nail into the wall. A gun is... Well...
TheRockDude
yeah, idk why everyone's so worried about it. like, so North Korea wants to get some nuclear tools, so what? /s
TheRockDude
I guess the dude muted me, but NK didn't even have nukes until 2006. The reason people don't fuck with NK is because they have a shit ton -
TheRockDude
- of artillery pointed at SK cities, not just cuz nukes. Also, "giving bad guys nukes so they can keep terrorizing their own people AND -
TheRockDude
- other nations is actually a GOOD thing" is a weird take but you do you, TexasUberAlles.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Explosives too. But for some reason that is heavily regulated.
truespartangaming
When said tool is specifically designed to make killing (anything) easier, it's a weapon.
nimdae
Semantics aside, a gun is designed to kill. That is its purpose. You can target shoot, etc, but it is a killing tool.
culinarydream7224
And we need to seriously regulate who can own them. Making them available to the general public is silly because the general public...
ArkoneAxon
I'd agree IF we tackled car ownership first. I'm serious - where I live, vehicular deaths and DUIs are a MUCH more serious issue than guns.
LoudBirb
Guns killed more kids/teens than cars in 2020 in the US: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761
ArkoneAxon
I'll see you and raise you: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/17/us-traffic-deaths-hit-16-year-high-in-2021-dot-says.html
LoudBirb
This says vehicle accidents surged by 10% to a total of 42,915 in 2020. In the same year, firearm deaths surged by 15% to 45,222:
culinarydream7224
We have been tackling that issue. Vehicular deaths have been decreasing for decades.
MrAgrijag
You mean the things where you have to have a license, insurance, registration, and demonstrate proficiency with to have?
DorianHyde92
Im fairly certain hitting another vehicle when the aim is to never hit anything would prove most of the world shouldn't drive either
ArkoneAxon
I mean the things that STILL cause massive death tolls every year. Where I live, we have at least one crash per DAY.
MrAgrijag
Where do you live, just give me the sate or whatever the equivalent is if you don't live in the US
myotheralt
But cars aren't designed to be killing machines. How can they possibly have more kills than something specifically made to kill people?
culinarydream7224
....doesn't have a need to efficiently kill anything
Comet260
If the MAGA and Qtard crowd is gonna be armed, then I'm going to be armed. The police are useless and/or MAGA themselves.
MamaRosie
What about people protecting themselves on the street and rising up over a bad gov? I agree more regulations are needed. It's harder to buy-
MamaRosie
A car than a gun rn. So I agree with regulations, but I do think any informed, and educated persons should have the right to own.
culinarydream7224
Whenever people bring up the "bAd GoVeRnMeNt" bullshit.
culinarydream7224
And you're more likely to use a gun on yourself or a loved one than stop a crime. Being told you need one "fOr PrOtEcTiOn" is NRA propaganda
Moose79
I will agree we need more regulation but we kill 250k wild hogs a year and we need to kill 1.8 mil to cap their pop growth. They do 1.5 bil-
Moose79
lion in damage to agriculture a year and we have a major top soil problem in the US right now.
culinarydream7224
The general population does not need to kill wild hogs. That's a very area specific problem
Moose79
"Very area specific" usually doesn't mean it spreads across thousands of miles of territory and costs BILLONS in damages A YEAR
Moose79
The mid west is huge but ok sure https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/wildlifedamage/operational-activities/feral-swine/sa-fs-history
thatoneweirdguynobodyremembers
Except when you're poor like me and have to literally hunt for food. Only people are safe because they don't taste good
CausticLemonEnema
I always imagined a typical fast food fed American would be like fatty pork. It's the medicated ones that would be metallic and weird.
Flowerlady0
Go get your groceries. Others need to stop misusing guns.
MushroomFiend
And people in the US need a car to get places (I'm not talking about what it should be only what is), but you still need to demonstrate 1/2
MushroomFiend
Proficiency and provide insurance if things go wrong.
Akovsky
Or lived in a bad neighborhood like me and got one for self defence.
Azzyryth
Which would be safer once guns are off the streets.
culinarydream7224
There are other ways to hunt and government assistence programs. If you absolutely need a gun, then you can apply for a license
Robidom
Assistance programs? Yeah sure, rely on the same people that lost my family's paperwork to get on the program, and the people that ARE
thatoneweirdguynobodyremembers
Bow hunting rules are different, don't need a license for a hunting rifle, and not everyone is murderous.
DonutThief
Real hard to accidentally kill someone with a hammer.
Ironbunny
my father was, I shit you not, very nearly accidentally killed with a hammer.
DonutThief
Fuck me imgurians are stupid, y'all know this is an argument for gun control right?
Ironbunny
Yes. And it is a stupid ass argument.
DonutThief
That's the point.
anthrolover6
No...no it's not. Why do you think folks have to wear hard hats at construction sites? Little tip it's not because of falling beams.
jstraw731
Because they look cool. Right?
Badprenup
Just because it CAN happen doesn't mean it's anywhere comparable to accidental gun deaths
DonutThief
That's... That's the point of my comment.
Badprenup
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2013/02/paul-broun-says-hammers-and-baseball-bats-kill-more-people-than-guns-is-that-true.html#:~:text=W
truespartangaming
It's a weapon, not a tool.
LerryV2
Its a weapon only when its used as one. A hammer is a hammer till its used to kill someone, then its a weapon.
truespartangaming
A hammer is a tool used for construction etc. A gun is a weapon specifically designed to make killing easier. Period.
thedudeman519
You use guns as hammers?
LerryV2
I use them for target practice, competition shooting, hunting. Lots of things I use them for.
thedudeman519
target practice to hunt better. AKA kill. 2/3 of your hobbies involve being efficient at killing. Not that theres anything wrong with that
justfillingthespace
A tool has a use outside being a weapon. A gun has no such use. Its only use is to kill.
Akovsky
Man I have killed soooo many clay pigeons I tell you what.
vegivamp
"a tool has a use outside of hitting things. A hammer has no such use." No, a weapon is a specialized tool, just like a hammer and a ?.
justfillingthespace
Weapons are an extremely specific category of tools so wholly divorced from the rest that they may as well not be defined as tools.
vegivamp
It is a tool for killing. Any object that is designed to make a task easier is a tool. A gun is a tool designed to make killing easier.
truespartangaming
It's a weapon. Period. Everything else is semantics.
vegivamp
And yes, that means someone thought to themselves "killing other human beings is too hard, how can we fix that?"
lysani
The purpose and use of tools throughout history has changed many times, just like guns can be used for recreation or sport shooting.
vegivamp
I can use a knife like a screwdriver, but that does not change it's purpose.