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(Oh the irony of this meme format…)
The very first time I could vote, I voted Republican. And the next. And the next. It made so much sense, it was clearly the right choice. I was raised in a conservative home by parents with conservative views. Contrary to what some will say, we were not raised to hate anyone. We were taught to show love and respect to everyone and we tried to do so. The conservative viewpoint was correct, was the only way to view the world. I truly believed that, well into adulthood.
In college I began to seek out voices that echoed my own views, and started listening to AM conservative talk radio. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck… they were saying what I was thinking. They were right. They had the answers. Those dumb liberals, why couldn’t they get on board? Why couldn’t they see that what they believed was wrong? I laughed at their jokes, nodded in agreement with their wisdom, and voted who they told me to vote for. To me Fox News WAS “fair and balanced.” It all seemed so true, so right. So rational. I truly was afraid that the insane overspending by the Democrats would sink the nation, that the gays were poisoning the minds of our youth, and that we were becoming a godless society. I drank the Kool Aid, and I drank it deep.
It reached a frenzy in 2012 when I was so convinced that Obama was the source of every ill that we faced as a nation and that Mitt Romney was the one who was going to lead us back to normality and sanity. Glenn Beck was the talking head of choice at the time and he was so sure that the Republicans would take back the White House that I was SURE it would happen. I told everyone about it. In my mind the election was just a formality.
Unhooking myself from the drip feed of poison that is conservative talk radio made me realize just how destructive it really is. At the time I told myself it was because I was upset that Romney had lost and that I just needed a break. It took some time for my views to shift but year over year I began to formulate my own opinions on things. I stopped looking for news from polarized sources and started looking for what was considered to be center and truly balanced. I started to see how much the things that I had previously believed could be harmful and hurtful, and actively hinder those who weren’t like me. I began to see the injustices that so many deal with on a daily basis that I am fortunate enough to never have to experience myself. And I began to be horrified at how I had viewed the world and what I had helped establish and uphold, either by my action or inaction. I didn’t realize at the time how much of a bullet I had dodged, getting out of that cesspool when I did. There is every chance that I would have been chanting in the cult of the Cheeto with the rest of the MAGA crowd today.
I would not define myself as a democrat, or even liberal. I still hold some conservative views, but those are mostly fiscal. I would say I am center with liberal leanings. I also would not say I will never vote for a conservative again, because I probably will, at least on a local level (I live in Utah so my choices are very limited). But I approach every election, local and national, with much more care. I research my candidates and issues and look for those whose views most align with my own. It just so happens that these days, more and more those candidates are democrats.
I have watched the Republican Party collapse under the weight of the ego of tRump. I have watched the party in this state in particular move so far to the right that they would consider me a liberal. They have abandoned their conservative principles in favor of fascism and devotion to their Dear Leader (just as a side note, my phone kept trying to auto correct “fascism” to “racism”). When your party has pushed Mitt Romney out because he’s not far right enough…
I have a lot more in my head about this that probably needs to come out, and this is likely just screaming into the void, but the main point is that I am glad I got out and got my head straight when I did. I look back on who I used to listen to and what I agreed with and can’t help but feel a sense of deep shame and embarrassment that I ever held beliefs anywhere near what they espouse.
But I would say this: I have so many friends and family members, people for whom I have the utmost love and respect for, who continue to vote red and probably will for the rest of their lives. And I try to engage them when topics arise, and try to help them understand why I feel the way I do about those things that we disagree on. And we will probably never see eye to eye on everything. And for the most part that’s ok. They can have their opinion. That’s what this nation is all about. But I will push back on injustice, on hate, and on discrimination. But I also know, having been there myself, just how real their fears are, and just how deeply they feel them, and how those fears can shape and inform their views. A little love and understanding goes so far. Just as I know I will never be convinced that I am wrong by someone in a MAGA hat yelling in my face, they won’t be convinced by someone wearing a rainbow pin doing the same thing. But a frank exchange of views, without vitriol, without hatred, without personal attacks or preconceived notions about what each other believes, and a willingness to listen and empathize without compromising your standards would go so far in helping avoid the extremes that we are experiencing now, in finding common ground, and moving forward. And not listening to inflammatory sources like cable news or talk radio is a huge step in the right direction.
Vote. Even in a heavily red state like Utah where I know that under the current climate my vote for Harris is swallowed up in the red, I will vote nonetheless. Because hey, weirder things have happened. And how hilariously awesome would it be if enough people who didn’t think their voices would ever break out of the majority, that a Republican stronghold like Utah flipped blue? So I’ll say it again, VOTE.
Most Viral Edit: I’m glad this has resonated with so many people. Please be kind, even to those who think differently from you. You don’t always know why someone holds the views they hold, and to them their fears are rational and justified. Talk, love, and be awesome. Except to Nazis. Fuck them.
Additional Information and Sources Edit: a few of you have asked what I consider to be my balanced news outlets. I get the vast majority of my news now from the AP. I feel like my BS sense is good enough now that I can tell when a story is skewing too far one way or the other, and I’ve always found them to be fairly unbiased. In addition to them I’ll check Reuters from time to time, but they seem to echo AP for the most part. I’ll read NPR for their op ed pieces as they tend to do more “human story” articles than the others do. And BBC is pretty good IMO for an English speaking international perspective. And for local I go to KSL, one of the local news outlets here in Utah. Because it’s Utah, there are slightly more right leaning, but they seem earnest and genuine and I just skip the articles that are obviously skewed. They are much more centrist than some of the other news outlets here though, so I take what I can get.
RockKickass
As a liberal in one of the most gerrymandered district in the nation I feel ya on the voting, but I will do it and I donate to candidates that can win. If you don’t vote, you don’t matter and that’s why politicians rarely think of what young people want but I “think” Gen Z might be more engaged
Frederf
Persistent, consistent, insistent. You can see how it works. The one insight I'd like to inject is that fiscal policy is social policy. The notion that they're separate doesn't withstand scrutiny.
MajorA21
I'm in this post and I'm ok with it. I had a 45 minute commute to college and work so there was lots of right wing radio on in the car. I was listening to Glenn Beck one day and after some ad peddle I snapped out of it. He's there to make money and push his agenda. Then I found places like Imgur and saw that I was dead wrong about a lot of things. I'm a middle aged guy now but I'm embarrassed about where I was even 8 years ago. I'm trying to be better than I was the day before.
kaitco1984
Kind of similar to my track as well. I fell into the thought of “Well, there are bigots on both sides, but at least the Rs might save me some money, right??” Yeah, no. The Left wants everyone to have enough food and clean facilities and enough money to afford decent housing while everyone is treated fairly. The Right wants to kill and/or enslave anyone who isn’t a wealthy, straight white male. Not a hard choice these days.
JustSeinfeldQuotes
I stopped listening to talk radio because I noticed the inconsistencies in what the talking heads were saying. My record is the same as above, but I voted for Clinton because I felt like Trump was making a comeback and I'd never be able to forgive myself if Trump won. I literally made the decision while standing in line, I went there and was planning on voting 3rd party.
itsthesneak
Nice job @op 👏
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rockhydra
Listen to Behind the Bastards ‘how conservativatisim won, it’s basically the rise of the ‘think tank’ and guess who started them? Big money conservatives. Also where student loans came from.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-how-conservatism-won-164063362/
There’s a part two also.
TrueNorthernLights
What I find strange is how the Republicans just straight up lie, and none of their followers question it. Whenever I hear something that seems far fetched, I google it online and read several sources. The Repubs could say the Sun had gone out and their cult would start walking around in the daytime with flashlights.
QuigleyDownUnder
This is like the clown makeup meme but in reverse
HandoB4Javert
L4dead2
I’m in this comment and I like it
jimmythehat1
On the fiscal note, when have the conservatives ever been fiscally responsible with regards to the debt and deficit and growing the economy? How many of the red states contribute more in taxes than they take in? Just saying these conservative policies are far from fiscally responsible and aimed at keeping the working class poor while lining their own pockets and appealing to oligarchs.
Sierrahotel12
Identical to my votes
BadPunsAplenty
Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I also grew up in a conservative household and have been unlearning a lot of assumed things throughout my 52 years on this planet. Well done to you for being aware and thoughful, in the true sense of thinking things through.
2hands
Agreed
ImgurIsOutOfUsernames
Voting conservative "only on local" is part of the problem, though. Good job on your journey, but there is no halfway these days. Also, maybe recontextualize from "liberal" to "progressive," as nothing in the Dem party is really "liberal," but it's all definitely progressive.
Birdnose
You were close, conservatives are a cancer.
Vergenbuurg
It can be really sneaky sometimes... local radio station has an incredibly good selection of great music from the '80s and '90s... except in the morning... if I've accidentally left it on that station last I drove, when I leave for work, I invariably hear their Trumper and Trumpette morning show, spewing hateful MAGA bullshit. I can't change the station fast enough. They try to promote their morning show as "fun and lively" but it's just disgusting anti-left political propaganda.
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HeyMcFly6
My dad was conservative and so are my grandparents, but by today's standards of what a conservative is, they'd be considered too liberal. They believe in fairness and equality and believe to keep religion separate from state, they despise tRump and think he and his followers are evil. I've usually voted blue or 3rd party bc I do my research. I will continue to do so
Nightcaste
There's a guy I work with that has conservative talk radio on all day long. He bitches that he can't retire yet because he won't get enough from social security. He bitches about his health care costs. He bitches about the state income tax on social security benefits. I told him to stop voting for the people that are causing those problems. He flipped out, and the only thing he could manage to articulate was "it's better than the alternative". The alternative being all the bitching...
vericon151
They…. The dumb fuck talk show hosts don’t have answers. They just say things. They will say blah blah is out to get you, take your money, jobs, etc but they don’t say how, or how it’s different historically or show numbers or proof. They are fucking terrible.
Arbitrarynamehere
Voting for a third party still falls into the top half of this meme but congrats on getting out of that regardless
Jefftheonewiththenuke
Fiscal conservative is still a bad take. Look at how the national deficit rises under Republicans. They also raise taxes for the lower and middle class. They give their Corp buddies tax breaks, taking away money that could go to higher wages or infrastructure or social programs. Which all of which would help with other problems in the country. Unless you are in the top 10% or probably more likely top 1%, being fiscal conservative is damaging to you and the country
IgnobleTortoise
You are correct, fiscally conservative might not capture quite what I meant. It would probably help better to say “fiscally responsible.” I believe in a progressive tax system, closing corporate loop holes, and in finding ways to ensure the wealthiest aren’t getting richer while the poorest suffer. I do believe that the free market can typically come up with better, cheaper solutions faster than the government, but it has to be regulated and guarded against monopolies and waste.
khora
"Fiscally responsible" is pretty far from the Republican position (the one they actually govern by). On a state basis the Democrat led states subsidize the fiscal failures in the Republican led states. Government can't be efficient, because there is always the opposing party shouting "waste" if you just buy the first pencil you find instead of spending ten times as much to find the cheapest one.
IgnobleTortoise
You are 100% correct, and I do not consider the Republican Party to be fiscally conservative or fiscally responsible. To me the vent diagram of fiscally conservative and the Republican Party are two separate circles on different sheets of paper in two different rooms.
Arkkeri
You are doing the "fiscally conservative" correctly, which is extremely rare for a person saying they are fiscally conservative.
IgnobleTortoise
I also believe that the taxes that the government does collect should be used in constructive, helpful ways. Our government wastes way too much money on many things, and that’s both sides of the aisle. I support robust, effective programs that will help the people, not shovel money into the pockets of the wealthy elite.
AllGloryToTheDarkLord
The truth is; the term for a fiscal conservative and social liberal is democrats. Liberals and progressives are a small minority within the democrat party. Most of us leftists are independents because Democrats are just GOP-Lite.
Unclescam
It really seems like all talk radio is conservative now...Plenty like to seem centrist but drop in so many conservative dog whistles it's pretty obvious to anyone even half paying attention. So roughly 10% of the audience...if that.
GiantFlyingLabia
Romney wasn’t pushed out for not being far right enough, he was pushed out for refusing to worship their god Trump. Just my two cents. Anyway, congrats on the change, now let’s get you a more progressive mindset.
BurntRamen
Also, the Protestants, evangelicals and Christian nationalists within our government and citizenry of the USA don't consider Mormons to be true Christians. Same goes for Catholics. They generally shun them.
frostybox
potato, potato. That doesn't work real well written, oops.
jillofmanytrades
I too was raised to be conservative and also voted for Bush in 2000, I got out by 2004. I want to challenge your idea of being fiscally conservative. I too hung on to this idea, until I realized that it is harmful as well. I want to be smart with our funds, which means our funds should go to the people to help them. We should not be spending 20% of our money on the military. Studies and actual application shows that giving money to people helps everyone.
jillofmanytrades
Because we have a tiered tax system, we should be taxing at a 90% rate for anything above a million dollars earned. Taxing the wealthy keeps the economy healthy. The government should focus on programs which benefit the people and would be exploitive if handled in private hands: post office, healthcare, etc. Our dollar should be spent towards education as a lot of woes of society can be combated. By doing so. We need to focus more on investing in the future, instead of short-term gains.
realizedagain
The only thing I'm confused about is you were raised to be respectful, how could you have then laughed at Limbaugh's hateful jokes?
IgnobleTortoise
Because the people he was talking about weren’t people, they were liberals. It’s easy to laugh at the nameless and faceless. Different situation when you’re sitting with and talking to someone one on one and realize you’re dealing with a person. People I met and knew who had my respect, and even if they were a liberal I could say “yeah, but they’re one of the good ones.” It took me a long time to realize that respecting people without espousing their views was very different from mockery.
DeadeicPrints
As a former conservative and former Mormon, I also voted for Romney and every conservative candidate since I could vote. Never again. It's so weird (stupid) how blind I was to their fucked up policies.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Romney isn't even one of the bad ones anymore. He's stayed mainly the same but everyone else has gone all in on the cult. He even voted to impeach Trump. Twice.
Sechran
Sad thing is, compared to right now, the Republicans in the days of Romney were bastions of sanity and reason.
SneakyGaryTheSerialHorseDrowner
Romney went from one of the worst of them to one of the best and he's not changed a bit.
FussyZeus
None of us are immune from propaganda. I spent most of my life up into my twenties with my head in my ass, too.
FallenJester
My story too. Except I made the switch during Obama's second election and voted for him due to all the BS.
Although, I was an independent so I too voted 3rd party still in 2016 thinking at least that would allow for federal funding in a 3rd party campaign if the votes were high enough.
Never again, at least not until the gqp is ground into dust.
That all radicalized me.
DeadeicPrints
Unfortunately i was blind all the way until a year into trumps presidency. I didn't vote for him but I defended him on here for a while until my eyes just suddenly opened to how insane everything was. I can't tell you why it happened but it was like someone took a blindfold and ear plugs off me. It felt like a mack truck I'm not kidding. It was literally physically painful.
fantabuloustimewaster
I encourage everyone to spend a day every few months listening to conservative talk radio, just to remind yourself of what a cesspool it is. Last week I did this with my son in the car. The NPR show had an informed journalist asking long, thoughtful questions of an expert who gave long, thoughtful answers. The conservative show was one host, alone in his studio, who spent ten minutes playing an audio clip, saying, "Infuriating. Just infuriating. We've gotta hear that again," and repeating.
capnadorable
Even NPR these days seems to be shifting right on some things, they’ve shaken my trust quite a bit lately. It seems many of the fact based and neutral news outlets are deciding to shift right so as not to alienate some of their listeners and readers. As republicans shift further and further right, they also shift right of center so they don’t get labeled liberal. It’s pretty wild seeing some of the shit NPR has been platforming lately
capnadorable
For instance, after the debate, NPR was posting quite a lot of articles and talking a lot about bidens age, which was definitely a concern, but there was nowhere near the same amount about trumps own age and his constant lies during the debate and how he didn’t answer a single question, they were almost totally focused on how bad Biden did, Trump basically just got a pass.
fantabuloustimewaster
I listened to the debate on NPR. Their immediate post-debate response was to compare it to the 1960 Nixon-Kennedy debate, where people without televisions tended to think that Nixon won, but people with televisions noticed (consciously or not) that Nixon refused to wear stage makeup and photographed much more poorly than Kennedy. I believe the exact quote was that "only if you were reading the transcript would you think that Biden won." Trump, by contrast, was completely unsurprising.
AnonMasterRace
I expose myself to enough crazy in the r/babylonbee comments, thanks.
KittenVonCatsworth
I'm being 100% serious when I say this is why I still follow my racist great-uncle on social media. He repeats and shares every stupid thing he hears on his turbo-right-wing opinion sources, so I always know what bullshit they're currently spinning. My feed will be a delightful Utopia of updates from my friends and community members, and then there's Uncle Jim posting about "Scamala" and DEI and whatever the hell RFK Jr. said recently. It's really helpful for dealing with encounters in the wild.
fantabuloustimewaster
The right-wing noise machine has a sort of catechism about what to be angry about this week and how to shut down liberals about it. When I have avoided that machine for some time and find myself talking with one of its victims, they will sometimes seem to have a reasonable point that hinges on information that I didn't know. But the more I research, the shallower that "information" seems to get. Then I hear another victim reciting the same catechism at me, and I realize it's from the radio.
hygroovy
As a young adult, I held what were considered (in the UK) pretty middle of the road political opinions. Over the last 20 years or so, the opinions haven't changed, but now they're regarded as radical far left.
JohnSmithterms
Yeah as an older brit. This hurts. Thatcher fucked it up big time and we never recovered from it. Kier starmer is diet tory too. Maybe labour will change things but the ONLY big way to improve our lives is to tax the rich. 30% of homes are rentals in many citys. We need more homes and rent controlls. A house price freeze might be good too. We need more food as we import 40% and we need better wages especially in food production. This is what will improve our lives.
TheZommie
it's gonna be fun in another 30-40 years when "hey, maybe we shouldn't vote for someone who hunts poor people down for sport" will be the new radical leftist view point
M4UsedRollout
“Oh, I can’t hunt people for sport, but you can have multiple abortions?”
TheZommie
and by "fun" I mean "dystopian"