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Guns don't kill people. People do, with guns sometimes with guns
So there has been a number of pro and anti gun posts recently and a number of posts stating you can't blame guns for mass shootings. Sometimes those posts on both sides are just retarded and sometimes they have compelling arguments or their respective sides but not blaming guns?
So I live in Great Britain and we have extremely tight gun laws and regulations. It is possible to own certain types of guns but it's not easy.
There are illegal guns here but the number is very low in comparison even when broken down to guns per head.
We had a mass shooting of a primary school in dunblane back in 1996
The Dunblane school massacre was one of the deadliest mass murders in UK history, when gunman Thomas Hamilton killed sixteen children and one teacher at Dunblane Primary School near Stirling, Scotland on 13 March 1996, before killing himself.
Public debate about the killings centred on gun control laws, including public petitions calling for a ban on private ownership of handguns and an official enquiry, the Cullen Report. In response to this debate, two new Firearms Acts were passed, which effectively made private ownership of handguns illegal in Great Britain.
If you want some insight to uk gun laws see the link
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/479794/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_Nov_2015_v16.pdf
I was 16 at the time and remember it well. So when the Sandy Hook massacre happened I instantly thought of dunblane.
I post this because I see on the news, in the papers and on social media plus all the posts on here about mass shootings, police shootings and all the other shootings that occur in the U.S. and in a number of these shootings, the mass shootings at least, the weapons often used are guns like the AR-15 or they are powerful shotguns. I know hand guns are used too. I'm not saying they aren't but we hear about the shootings like Sandyhook and there are many times the shooter has had access to legally bought weapons like the bushmaster Adam Lanza used. Now in his case he didn't own the weapons his mother did. He had access to these guns and in a country like the UK he would not have.
A lot of people say it's not gun control that needs to be sorted it's mental illness but why does it have to be one or the other? Surely it makes sense to combat multiple issues on multiple levels.
I don't want people to think I am totally against guns. I would love to try out a few guns at range and have some fun but I haven't yet. I love the look of the Python and it looks so cool to fire. Plus I really can see for that most gun owners are responsible and careful. I can see for a lot people it is a hobby or collection that they cherish and love but when you have something that is as potentially dangerous as all guns are there is unfortunately arseholes out there that spoil it for everyone else.
I wish it wasn't this way. I wish people could enjoy guns as they want to as passionate past time and if I could hunt here like you can in America I would because as I said I have nothing against guns. Some of the guns I see on here are beautiful. Some are just plain baddass.
But what I don't understand is the pigheaded views of 'Don't blame guns, they don't shoot people, people do'
Whilst they are technically correct, a gun is designed for one main purpose. To shoot. You can say they are just objects but that doesn't mean they are any less dangerous. A toaster (teamtoaster) is an object that can be used to kill but it's not designed to shoot. It's designed to toast. You can't genuinely compare a gun with any other house hold object and say it's not more dangerous because if it isn't it's not a very good gun. It's failing in it's task. A gun has its main goal and that goal is death. No one can truly deny that. If you do you are truly kidding yourself.
I often hear as well the argument that a gun is for protection and they feel safer with one and I also hear the argument that people are more likely to die from their own gun than someone else's and to honest I don't have enough first hand experience to truly understand why you want or feel the need to have that sense of protection but I do not live in a country with guns so easily available. I do however think that a lot of the time these excuses for wanting to have guns still.
I don't understand why so many people come up with often flimsy excuses and reasons. Why not just say 'I like guns. Please don't take away my right to own a gun, I like collecting them' instead. I know I would respect them more.
I know the U.S. will never truly ban guns, guns are part of Americas history. From the Wild West days to the classic American movies like Dirty Harry but there has to be a part of people that understands that may be your average home owner doesn't need an assault rifles. The clue is in the name. Assault rifle. It's for military assaults. Now I am sure some will say they are not assault rifles and to be fair I don't know all about them and I'm not claiming I do.
So I ask you imgur. What do you think? What do you think and what do you suggest?
I don't mean to piss people off or anger anyone. I wish people could have what they want to have with out it being spoiled by arseholes so I ask what would you do if you could?
CaptainAsshole
South park already proved gun control. Everyone needs one
drj37
Also, when people say "I have guns for personal protection". That's exactly what they mean. Your assumption that it's an excuse is bad.
frogglesmash
VeinyFleshtTrumpet
Sincerely needs TL:DR.
billymadison69
Regardless of how good or bad your argument is, nobody is going to take the time to read all of that
Armistice023
I read it all
CaptainAsshole
Wrong fucker!
Lohocla
hahah looked at comment, looked at username, +1 for you. :)
chancesareimmasturbating
It is very true that the AR-15 has negative connotations. I own one and it is not my favorite firearm. Its for shooting and not much more.
drj37
And very rarely used in shootings.
hester4
Really the US violent crime rate is pretty average, and much lower that other large countries like Russia. The media just makes it look bad.
drj37
And it's overall at something like a 30 year low.
drj37
On the gun control V. mental illness debate, with one you're punishing people who have committed no crime and the other you go after (1)
drj37
people who need help and should be protected from themselves. (2)
Armistice023
I have a bolt action M1903 made in 1908. During WW1, it was an assault rifle. Anyway, it's the user that should be punished
exlurker42
Also: Don't get too hung up on "assault", it's a propaganda and marketing term, not a well defined set of qualities in a weapon.
VainyBangStick
As I say I don't know all the details. I go with the general terms.
drj37
That's where most anti-gun arguments fall apart, lack of actual knowledge about guns, existing gun laws, and crime statistics.
exlurker42
2/2 grips for comfort and reducing recoil damage were outlawed as "assault", while ridiculously heavy caliber weapons were not. It's silly.
exlurker42
For example, under our last major gun reform (which expired) barrel cowls (which protect you from handling a hot barrel) and pistol 1/2
exlurker42
My issues with gun control have more to do with shitty enforcement of current laws and outright stupid laws than anything else.
Lohocla
Agreed. Getting past the emotional "i dont like guns" BS is needed before anything meaningful can be done.
exlurker42
If I had seen a bill go through that seemed educated, enforceable and reasonable I'd probably be in favor but I haven't, so I'm keeping mine
VainyBangStick
That's possibly the most clear and concise response I've read on any post. Unlike my post which rambles
exlurker42
It's okay, you do raise valid points and admit to impressions/ignorance where appropriate. I have respect for both.
exlurker42
Side note: I am a gun owner that leans toward moderate on the control issue, if you'd like to talk about it in detail feel free to PM me.
VainyBangStick
I would if the put pm in the damned app! Lol.
exlurker42
The mobile site, as opposed to the app, does still have messaging. Should you need to send one in future.