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That guy who once ran track in the Olympics
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Realitea
I think she's meant to be an inspiration for trans/gay people becUse she isn't afraid to be who she wants to be.
vowofloudness
Looked at another way: even somebody rich and successful can't just be who she wants to be without a giant media circus.
Frogapus
A person who is willing to publicly stand tall against a tide of shitheads that condemn them for what they are: seems pretty heroic.
BearwMeB
She is a hero in many trans peoples eyes. Caitlyn is inspiring others to become their true selves, and that's important.
PrairieSquid
Exactly! Just look at her eyes, so much brighter and more alive. A good friend of mine is a transman, and when he got his top surgery it 1/2
PrairieSquid
3/4 personality, her inner self just as much (if not more) than being amazed by her reveal and her beauty. But her beauty is great too^.^
PrairieSquid
2/2 was very similar. His edigness was gone and he was more himself than I'd ever seen him before. Wish people would focus on Caitlyn's 2/3
Banjostory
Opening yourself up publicly to the kind of ridicule and abuse that she's undoubtedly getting is a feat worthy of praise.
vaudvillain
It may not be much to our generation, but to our parents, Bruce Jenner was THE MAN. It will be interesting to see how they internalize this.
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
Exactly. She's breaking so many stereotypes about gender and transgender behaviours, it's all kinds of wonderful.
badandymk9
It's important for TG people to have role models. A trans person in the sun for a news cycle isn't going to kill you.
NS83
He should be in jail for killing a lady, not getting a TV show
Frogapus
People get really upset when too much of one thing comes up in their feeds. It's very taxing to have to look at something several times.
LJCobb
I takes a lot of guts to do what she did in the public eye and I know there are young transgender people who feel less alone now.
chocbuttons
Well it's made BBC News do an article to educate people about trans community. This is positive. It's massive publicity!
Stybba
This giant spectacle makes it easier for less sensational people to live their everyday lives without seeming as odd or out of place.
WooeeooIlookjustlikebuddyholly
It's important because she is inspiring others to become their true selves. She is a hero in many trans people's eyes.
Stybba
Are you trans? And if so would you mind explaining the entirety of who you are? And in less than 140 characters, plz.
WooeeooIlookjustlikebuddyholly
What? No I'm not. Who I am has nothing to do with it. But I realise that she can be a role model for lots of people who have a hard time 1/2
Stybba
I was being facetious
ScrewWhatYouThinkIUpvoteSelfies
A little trans girl in my town committed suicide after her parents abused her. Caitlyn might make ppl stand up to parents like that.
TBBs
figured the comments were going to be a train wreck, i'm pleasantly surprised. way to go, everyone
wildflowur
I agree. Still makes me mad this got enough upvotes for fp though
therealishjohnnyblaze
Um. She*
NordeinDeath
He*
DrunkFlamingo
Ffs, she's publically doing it to raise awareness, fucking twit.
kilimanjarox
It's not about the transition, it's about all the acceptance and favor the public is giving. It's hope for the others who
kilimanjarox
Have been too scared to do it or come out to friends and family. They feel like they should have been born the other gender and have been
kilimanjarox
Forced to live in the body they don't love or feel is quite theirs, but have had to hide it their whole life. She's the hero they've needed
staplestapler
I don't care about Caitlyn at all, but the fact that a trans person is shown in a positive light is awesome, whether she deserves it or not.
StonecutterNumberOne
She almost instantaneously became an icon for a group of historically marginalized people. Seems pretty heroic
peaceandpenguins
Her and Laverne Cox are arguably the most iconic transgendered people right now, but Caitlyn is the first to transition publicly. Hero.
sheepysheepy
Preach. But to be a grammar nazi, it's "transgender" not "transgendered". It's an adjective, not a verb so no past tense ⁽ˢᵒʳʳʸ⁾
peaceandpenguins
Thanks.
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
Cox toured Canadian universities this year, only $2 a ticket to share her story and preach equality. She was an amazing speaker.
oyoyo
Pretends supporting transgender people and their rights 100%. Uses masculine pronouns for a transgender woman... Next.
NordeinDeath
No one is obligated to call you what you want them to call you.
Moocat
It's just the same as "I'm not racist but black people are violent/lazy/terrible etc." that usually gets posted on here and upvoted.
largehadroncollisions
Fairly certain OP uses 'he' for pre-transition Bruce and 'she' for Caitlyn.
oyoyo
Which is disrespectful for a transgender person. OP also Calls her a guy in the title. So "100%" my a**. -edit-
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metachromatism
Since we're on this train, drop the ED ending, it makes in a verb & implies change. Transgender never needs an extraneous "-ed" at the end.
oyoyo
Crap, my bad, comment deleted. For what it worth, I didn't even realize I wrote it this way, english is not my mother language. Thank you !
metachromatism
http://www.transstudent.org/infographic4small.jpg
xboxnolifes
He used she for current Caitlyn and he for past Bruce.
metachromatism
She was assigned a gender at birth that didn't correspond with her gender identity. Sex and Gender are not synonymous.
xboxnolifes
Although she may have always felt herself to be a woman, she presented herself as, and was recognized as, a man in the industry. She even...
xboxnolifes
...made it clear, when asked when if would be appropriate to address her as a 'her', during an interview. Because I this, I feel that the...
metachromatism
The point being, she was always she. Caitlyn has always been a woman, shes just now public with it.
metachromatism
Her transition or any aspect of her physicality does not validate her gender identity. She has always been a woman.
funsizedperson
Suicide rates for trans people are proportionately higher than in any other population. Caitlyn is giving hope to people around the world.
Honorius77
transgender operations have not statistically reduced suicide rates.
metachromatism
Also homicide rates, and they are higher for transwomen, and even higher for transwomen of colour.
fallowfox
its legal in i think almost all of the american states to kill a transwoman as part of the Trans Panic Defense.
1spodaspakers
It seems ridiculous to you because you don't understand how much it means to others. There is so much more than "just having the money"
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1spodaspakers
I have heard a number of opinions from trans people, including that. I'm sorry and I'm sure it's not easy to watch, in your shoes
RoseFaery
OP: "Wah, there's someone who's not entirely like me & easily relateable to me getting attention, Wah!"
staplestapler
Actually, good point. The trade-off for all that money is being in the spotlight all the time. And as a trans person that sounds like hell.
popau
I don't get that point at all, she told her family about this decades ago and it's not like she didn't have the money as an olympic athlete
Puffmax
I couldn't care less about this whole Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner thing, now Sepp Blatter stepping down? That's important news.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
I recognize all those names from article headlines I found too uninteresting to read
DishonoredUser
Lol yeah a game of soccer is obviously more important than acceptance of trans individuals.
ShaveAndAHaircut
Thank you for properly using that phrase..."couldn't care less". Bless your heart
MrJamesKPolk
Yes! Finally someone actually makes sense!
FearsomeFoursome
This religious person on my FB made like 3 post about it and each post was like a paper long. Read the first few lines then dubbed it TL:DR
owiseone
Eh is it really? The reason he resigned now instead of before the elections is so that he can just be replaced by one of his cronies.
thornus67
I like the theory he resigned because he saw Canada's extradition laws to the US and realized next week's Cup can't have the Prez not there.
supremecx
Since the crimes committed are not tax-related, Switzerland has an extradition treaty with the US, if that was the idea he'd be screwed
thornus67
My understanding is Swiss law does not allow them to extradite Swiss citizens, which Blatter is. Canada would not have that exemption.
fouaurore
It doesn't really seem like you support transgender people 100% as you fail to see how this whole "thing"1/2
fouaurore
is another step in getting others to understand what they stand for but that's just my unpopular opinion..?¯\_(ツ)_/¯2/2
wildflowur
Not totally unpopular. I agree with you!
earlywormy
Well, it is kinda a gigantic publicity stunt. If someone wants to transition, they shouldn't let society stop them.
ColonelOfTruth
1 It's extremely questionable whether we should "support" transgenderism by praising and accepting it, though; in my opinion, shared by many
ColonelOfTruth
2 if not most leading psychiatrists (will link articles) transgenderism should be approached with caution and as a likely mental illness.
ColonelOfTruth
3 Our society likes to equate transgenderism with LGB, but this is almost certainly a foolish and even dangerous notion - one that has
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4 helped to promote an act, gender reassignment, that has been repeatedly proven to dramatically increase (10-20x) the rate of suicide
ColonelOfTruth
5 amongst those considering the surgery and even higher relative to the rest of the population. I get that we want to be accepting, and
ColonelOfTruth
1 On a related note: cultures that include a "third gender" or have a looser gender binary have significantly lower rates of dysphoria and
ColonelOfTruth
2 reassignment surgeries. Which would greatly suggest that gender dysphoria is, in fact, a social construct.
ColonelOfTruth
These would include Hawaiian, Indian, German, etc.
Catfactory
It's brave to transition publicly. That's what's worthy of respect. Other than that it's just something to talk about around the watercooler
Chocolatesporks
Yeah but she didn't have much of a choice about it being public, because of her connection to the Kardashians. Obviously it's better 1/2
Chocolatesporks
that she did choose to make it public, rather than getting stalked by paparazzi and such, but it would have been public either way.
cutiepatootie
Exactly, so that makes it hatred for her. Still very courageous and inspiring for those who want to take the leap.
LadyMcCormick
Exactly, getting people to talk about the issue and learn about it who normally would not is a great thing
whatthefackisthis
This this this this this this this.
JimmyCannon
I've worked with too many TV personalities to think it's bravery. Quite the opposite.
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PrairieSquid
2/2 his own skin, the edginess is gone. So yeah, transitioning can lose you EVERYTHING, including your life/health because of bigotry.
PrairieSquid
One of my good friends is a transman, and I met him about 6 months before he got his top surgery (double mastectomy). He's so happy in1/2
PrairieSquid
So many trans folks who begin to transition are often in dangerous situations (people a horrible, especially to trans folks, it's horrible).
PrairieSquid
Because trans people have an EXTREMELY high rate for being victims of assault and murder for transitioning, or not passing well enough, etc.
RedXdeR
So do black youths in poverty stricken neighborhoods. This is not a driving point for this argument.
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
plus 80% of trans people have attempt suicide before coming out, she is a hero. she's telling them it will be ok and they can get through it
TheGardenNymph
I agree. She's breaking down barriers and forcing it into the public eye, and thats important. It has nothing to do with the Kardashians.
Ezzybells
I didn't even realise till this post she had anything to do with the Kardashians. But in saying that I haven't paid it much attention.
LvAllen
Except that if she wasn't connected the Kardashians, this news would make page C-6 below the fold.
whyteraven74
She was actually more in the public eye before she married into the family. Took over a decade to get back into it.
LvAllen
No. She was really famous as an Olympic champion, and spent the next 20 years trying to cash in as much as possible on that fame. D-list.
ayoungerdumberronswanson
Olympic champion was a *he*. Competed in men's events.
whyteraven74
Except she made a lot of money outside of all that. And hey if someone offers you $20,000 to do commentary on a track meet you take it.
kantorr
There is nothing brave about switching genders. That is a gross misuse of the word.
Catfactory
The amount of shit they put up with for doing it publicly definitely requires some courage and fortitude.
whyteraven74
We have people who spend their lives trying to be who someone else wants to be, seems it takes a bit to be yourself.
kantorr
No, i think people throw around words like hero and bravery too carelessly. Is getting your nuts chopped off really a great deed?
RedXdeR
When the runner up for the award does not have a choice to live how he does.
whyteraven74
Except there is no runner up for the award.
RedXdeR
Especially when you do it of your own volition. That's what gets me he did all of this by choice and lives comfortably and is wealthy.
whyteraven74
Heroism involves choice, that's what makes it what it is.
Moocat
Coming out and being positive about one's body in the face of shitheads like you is pretty damn heroic.
kantorr
Yep hero of the internet. A title of 0 value to anything that matters.
whyteraven74
It's not ridiculous if you happen to be trans and struggling and see someone do it and say what she's said.
VelvetSin
Exactly. People who are famous and open about trans issues pave the way for trans people who aren't famous to be treated better.
NohnPhixion
Yea cause people decide whether or not to be a bigot by the actions of celebs.
co8alt8itches
that's literally how many people work. especially in the U.S., celebs are payed more attention to than family to some people.
p75369
This. Everyone needs a light at the end of the tunnel, especially those going through such a difficult period in their lives.
WebDevJewelerReptileLover
It is very ridiculous when you think our president spoke about this over the 2people receiving the MOH
Manateechica
True, however....Laverne Cox and other trans activist are better role models over all. I wish it was someone who had a better rep.
lemeny2805
I agree. Famous and well liked people such as NPH, have made coming out as gay easier. More power to you all!
TimTamFlimFlam
Exactly. If you're ever in a tough situation, you can look at Caitlyn with pride and say
Geo80
Who is Caitlyn Jenner and what did she say?
BareLulz
Spending butt tons of money to conform to cis gender norms doesn't make you a hero, it's rad she's publicly transitioned but there's alot 1/
BareLulz
that's really problematic. Some of the language has been pretty whack. Her privilege (wealth/class/race) hasn't been acknowledged really.
JadisAnn
As a trans person - no, she's another person with enough money to make everything go exactly how they want.
asymmetricalheart
She has the platform to reduce stigma surrounding the subject, I applaud what she has done
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khuan
Because the majority of transwomen don't get to instantly transition into being a beautiful woman and get shit for it every day.
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khuan
Where did I say she should be denied anything?
GirlX
If it was just about money she would have transitioned when she tried to back in the 80s. It's hard for reasons other than just money.
tpeg2140
As a trans person, stop tearing down our brothers and sisters. She is brave to do this publicly and question the conversation on transness.
whyteraven74
Go everything exactly how they want, except the first 65 years of her life.
Chernobyl56
Fuck that attitude. If trans person who has a voice currently can do it, it can give other trans persons a voice as well.
khuan
But it doesn't give any other trans people a voice. It gives visibility which is great but it only gives her a voice.
Chernobyl56
Every movement starts with figureheads. Unfortunately you need influential people, or fantastic speakers, to get traction.
khuan
And she is a horrible figurehead imho.
khuan
And being a figurehead doesn't give anyone a voice. You've moved the goal posts.
raynre
3 months ago- "I don't want to make this into a big thing." 3 days ago, plastered all over the news. "What she's said." is a crock of lies.
Frogapus
Or she changed her mind. Human beings have been known to do that, after all.
raynre
Just remember that when everyone's complaining about presidential candidates changing positions from week to week.
Frogapus
Totally. The new flavor of the week will rotate in and everyone will be talking about Rand Paul in a fist fight with Kanye West or something
whyteraven74
Or maybe it's the media just following along, this hasn't happened before. Lana Wachowski transitioned totally out of the public eye.
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whyteraven74
Accept Jenner doesn't have anything to do with them now, and look up how long he and Kris were married before anyone ever paid attention
raynre
I MIGHT agree, except they're giving her a new reality show. Which judging from the K family is about as exploitative as you can get.
whyteraven74
Except she's her own person, and this all has nothing to do with them. The interview with Diane Sawyer was the exact opposite of explotive
raynre
Which, again, would have been fine had she stopped and done the rest in private as she said she would. But money's on the line, so...
Emperorkrulos
But Caitlyn Jenner still votes Republican, which adversely impacts other trans folk that aren't rich. Laverne Cox is a better role model.
republicanstuckintheUK
Not to generalize an entire group of people or anything.
khuan
Elected republican politicians are absolutely horrible on lgbt issues and economic issues. Lets not pretend otherwise.
republicanstuckintheUK
I'll agree with you on the former and vehemently disagree on the latter.
khuan
Fair enough. The former is most important in this context. I find the dems to just be horrible on economic issues.
remnant55
Believe it or not, republicans don't sit in a congressional underlair, plotting the death of superman and how to oppress minorities.
khuan
Of course not. They o their evil plotting in regular congressional offices just like all politician. The open abhor lgbt folks.
aselfdefeatingattitude
They don't. They just so happen to vote for the people who do harm those people with their policies.
goldensky
It sure seems like it sometimes.
Emperorkrulos
they don't need to plan their bigoted policies, it just comes naturally to them.
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whyteraven74
But plenty of people transition who don't have much money. Money only matters so much.
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whyteraven74
How well someone passes depends on a lot of factors, some people have a much easier time of it than others.
1spodaspakers
While it may create tension now, wouldn't you agree that increasing public support can lead to policy that makes it more affordable?
RedXdeR
By policy I assume you mean a state level decision would make plastic surgeons, etc., charge people less for their expense? Don't think so.
whyteraven74
Or have insurance cover at least some of it
Bend3
Yeah probably not going to happen for a long long time. officially it would still be categorized as "cosmetic" therefore no coverage =/
perpetuallylove
I think that pop culture is the tip of the iceberg of changing public perception and public culture. It's a start to more common discussion
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
80% of trans people will attempt suicide before coming out.U really don't think this huge display of support, pride, and acceptance is good?
khuan
A display of support for someone who can afford to meet traditional beauty standards is not support for all transwomen.
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
You put trans in the public eye, you get people to understand that being trans is not a choice, and surgery becomes medical instead of (1)
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
for trans people. I have also heard Caitlyn is starting a organization for exactly this cause- the help finance trans people in various ways
madethisaccounttopostthingsicantonmyother
elective, then more insurance companies support/ countries with universal healthcare do,which then allows transitioning 2 be more affordable
almightymakerofthings
Your pronouns are all sorts of confused.
gwaur
My native lang has just one word for he/she so I mess them up all the time in English.And with trans people there's an extra level of confus
ayoungerdumberronswanson
I think that's the point
dropkicknanna
ThatCookieGuy hit the nail on the head. They didnt confuse the pronouns at all
iamthechicken
OP is feeling uncomfortable and needs to be consoled because OP can't get over OPself
ThatCookieGuy
"He" for past tense, and "she" for present tense. Caitlyn was referred to as a male for a long time.
makemepancakes
AP and NYTimes style guides both state it is correct to use the currently identified pronoun for past-tense. So Bruce would still be "she."
ThatCookieGuy
And that's what I would have called her.
Mozzeltoff
Usually it's considered polite to refer to them as their identified gender in all tenses. Many feel that they were always that gender.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
I don't care about being polite, I care about being accurate. "She" will always be a he end of story.
ThatCookieGuy
Agreed. That would help her to feel like a woman, which is important.
SluttyToast
That is correct.
CorruptedLife
but incorrect because she wanted to go by he until the actual change. right? idk
SluttyToast
But she's going by Caitlyn now, so that means it's she from now on.
Bro49
But when you refer to Bruce, you say He, and She for Caitlyn. Bruce made it happen, so I don't really think the meme is incorrect.
gamblingpoet
No, you are wrong. http://www.glaad.org/blog/glaad-responds-vanity-fair-cover-featuring-caitlyn-jenner-releases-updated-tip-sheet
co8alt8itches
Still, it's polite to use the newer pronouns at all times, even in reference to the past. While she did used to be called Bruce, she could 1
co8alt8itches
have always thought of herself as Caitlyn, or at least a female. many trans people think of themselves as the gender they id as both pre 2
Meradactyle
THANK YOU. When in doubt use 'they, them'
metachromatism
There isn't doubt here, Caitlyn has been clear that she is a woman and her pronouns are she/her. When in doubt, listen to people.
Meradactyle
I know quite a few people who don't identify with female or male pronouns and they prefer 'they, them'.
Meradactyle
I'm not speaking about Caitlyn. I know there isn't doubt with her. I'm speaking about transgender individuals who don't disclose their sex.
metachromatism
Agreed, under that mentality then we should always use they/their for all people until we know their preferred pronouns 1/2
metachromatism
Not just those who we think 'look' trans 2/2
Meradactyle
That's what I said, but in different words. Why am I being downvoted, again? What's wrong with using 'they, them' when in doubt? FFS.
lolbtw
No! Singular vs plural is important. Use one if you must. Just like il Elle and un. We have the words people! Use them!!!!!
Meradactyle
Uh, I AM using words. I'm using 'they' and 'them'. It's the correct way to go about addressing individuals who don't want to identify.
lolbtw
I also think using a plural is more appropriate for people with multiple personality disorder. Not for simple gender neutrality
potatjo
Most people who identify as agender/genderqueer/gender neutral etc use they/them or xe/xem, they/them is fine, and technically correct, here
lolbtw
It's plural for a singular person. I totally see the need for gender neutral pronouns. I don't see a reason to refer to one person as plural
Meradactyle
I also think we're arguing about the same thing, but with a different approach hahha
Meradactyle
I personally feel that people who identify with the male or female sex should be addressed with male of female pronouns. However, the ones
Meradactyle
who do not, should be addressed with gender neutral pronouns. Boom. They and them.
AssimilateMe
Rich people make strides for others all the time. Look what Bill Gates has done for science. Jenner is a great icon of success for trans ppl
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AssimilateMe
What I mean is the rich can do more than the average guy, but it can end up having a positive impact on everyone.
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AssimilateMe
I don't understand. Ppl should be more sensitive to the transition process and not think Jenner's case is the typical transition?
Manateechica
But Jenner has such a fake rep overall. I just wish it had been a more morally sound famous person :/
AssimilateMe
Yeah I can see that. Wouldn't it be cool to get to a point where trans is so accepted that ppl know not to judge the whole group by 1 celeb?
Manateechica
Right!! Heck..get to the point where we judge NO group by the actions/experience of 1 celeb/person :)
khuan
If we wait for the perfect representative to come along we'll be waiting forever.
Manateechica
Yea I know. I am just not into the whole Jenner fam in general. But guess Trans in the mainstream news period is good.
khuan
I am not either. I think there's all kinds of problems with all of this, but it's better than her not coming out, personally and publicly
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AssimilateMe
I hope you and your trans friends can achieve your goals too. The surgeries can only get cheaper and better with time. Good luck!
leemufc13
She didn't do it for you or your friends. She did it for herself.
GreaterDog
Social acceptance can be good even if medical procedures remain expensive, right?
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cyno01
Barely an issue? You sound like you live in a very large and progressive coastal city, theres still a lot of bigots and morons in between.
Thatgirlarlyn
My brother is currently transitioning, and he had a little old lady yell at him when he was at a park. However accepted it is, I don't (1/2)
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Thatgirlarlyn
Think it's accepted enough. I was kinda happy to see someone who transitioned being celebrated. Not personally trams though (2/2)
StooooooooooooooooooooooopHammerTime
Why do you think that the operations should be made more affordable? They are major surgeries they cost what they cost for a reason. 1/2
khuan
They should be affordable because they aren't elective no matter what you may think. They are a real necessity.
StooooooooooooooooooooooopHammerTime
I disagree. I support anyone that gets one but I don't see it as a necessity and that's where we disagree on our opinions.
anakhasilver
"It's not necessary for you to get your broken leg fixed, therefore it's elective to me."
StooooooooooooooooooooooopHammerTime
And as great as they are for the person I see them as elective and the price shouldn't be subsidized by other people. 2/3 (adding another)
StooooooooooooooooooooooopHammerTime
I had jaw surgery that improved my life but it wasn't "necessary" and insurance didn't cover it because I could have lived without it 3/3
khuan
If it improved your life then it should have been covered.
IShouldBePregnantByNow
I'm not from the States. I don't know why this person gets so much publicity compared to others? Were they famous before or something?
ishigoto
Kardashians, that's about it.
Banjostory
Won a Gold medal in the Olympics in the midst of the Cold War and became something of a national icon because of it.
Typohime
While Caitlyn was still Bruce she stuck her dick in hella crazy.
lucidcute
Yes. Gold medal from Olympics.
Gonvin
He was once considered the greatest athlete ever because of his Olympic record but idk anymore
PyrosHaveMoreFun
The person who wins the decathlon is usually considered the greatest athlete in the world for a year or two
cutiepatootie
Money helps, but the celebrity makes it so much harder to come out. Also, she is setting an example for other people. Good on her!
Malorak
It's even a big thing in Germany. Fucking lord...
Malorak
Not insulting you, by no means, just saying how ridiculous this is.
MisterJellyBean
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+is+bruce+jenner
jchawks08
Yes
DinoKebab
He was an Olympian but I get the feeling he's more famous from the Kardashians, which is pretty sad IMO.
wfwood
the family is famous in general because of being overly publicized. i think its to help sell their brandname.
Usernamer
Your username is going unnoticed with these replies and it deserves credit. +1 my friend
buhbee94
Wasn't hein the Olympics or something?
cowcannon
why aren't you pregnant now?!
climbinguy
Some Americans worship celebrities and there's just enough of them where even the most menial things they (celebrities) do make the news.
PunchyFromCleveland
I am American and, unfortunately, I am embarrassed of quite a few of the people who receive massive publicity in the US.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
He's Kim Kardashian's step dad who happens to be arguable the greatest athletes of all time, so it's especially bizarre to see >>
metachromatism
She
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
>> someone who was the epitome of male athleticism who'd apparently struggled with gender identity. It breaks the mold/stereotype.
icantbelieveijoined
Wheaties!!! http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/omg/2015-06-02/86f6ef50-094d-11e5-b12d-09542c6a78d6_Bruce-Jenner-Wheties-box.jpg
Conboss
My friend who happens to be gay is KILLING our school over anything gay, and this is killing our school. God...
Equreuil
Olympic athlete, now married into the Kardashian family - who are famous simply for being rich. That I don't get
KlaatuBaradaMumbleMumble
He was an olympic athlete.
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demonjester1515
No. At the time, Bruce Jenner was a male Olympic athlete. Caitlyn Jenner has never competed in the women's Olympic events.
thornus67
Cassius Clay won the title from Sonny Liston, but Muhammad Ali won the rematch.
batmaam
Well to be fair she was still Bruce back then.
peaceandpenguins
But even though she was believed to be a man, she's always been a woman, even if just on the inside.
batmaam
I see your point, but I didn't say a man; I said Bruce. And she was Bruce back then, regardless of how she felt on the inside.
bthec
As an American, I have no idea who this is.
megatronmeg
I applaud you.
bthec
Thank you! I applaud you too, megatronmeg!
ImAnSJW
This is not something to applaud.
warick
Same here. He was famous less than a decade before I was born.
GdSvThQn
Quite possibly the greatest athlete of all time, it makes me sad that this generation doesn't know that.
trapdoor
She's OJ Simpson's lawyer's ex-wive's ex-husband, she's famous because said lawyer's daughter made a sex-tape.
minabear
How about her being an incredibly talented athlete and gold medal olympian? Yeah... that.
GinevraPotter
You know she was famous before that, right?
Totaljester
News media want views, and cover it because people will talk about it, and b/c ppl talk about it, they will cover it.
TheWorldMayNeverKnow
As an American I don't know why anyone even cares about him,
lpooptoomuch
Bruce Jenner was the only one of the Kardashian group that actually deserved a spotlight. The rest are just attention whores.
gallopingwanker
yeah he pooped on a walrus.
AbrideNotBought
It's like the show, Towie.
anerek
I'm from the states and have no idea who s/he is. I don't really care either. I'm sick of hearing about it every day.
swatz
I am, and I kind of knew the name, I guess from the Olympics, but that's about it. This crap has gotten really annoying. I'm glad he can <
swatz
>make those life choices here, but I'm tired of hearing about them.
AnnieBahde
It's kim kardashian's step-dad. And he won the gold medal in the olympics in the 70's and was on wheaties boxes.
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AprilShaw
Well the respectful and accepted thing to do is always use the new pronouns - she/her/etc
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AprilShaw
Just think of it like a (non-trans) name change, she wasn't a different person or anything before, just called something else.
exerticusnovem
I like how you call him he, call him what he is a man. He has a penis.
exerticusnovem
News and media calling it... She Her ect
GdSvThQn
You make it seem like it wasn't that big of a deal, he was one of the greatest athlete of all time.
WhiskeyTangoFedora
Now he is on Fruity Pebbles box.
dangermint
I thought his pebbles were removed. Maybe Froot Loops is a better choice?
IShouldBePregnantByNow
Alright, thanks. Good to know.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Wouldn't the PC thing to be to call whoever Kim's step-mom at this point?
peaceandpenguins
Not PC, but the humanly decent thing to do.
SquirrellyWhirly
I thought I read in an article that despite being a woman, Jenner is still their dad? But I don't know how all this works, it's confusing.
Alozar
Rather, was.
bthec
wtf is a kardashian.
FunKeyBayBee
A hobbit.
axelasdf
It's like a Vulcan but all expressive about it's emotions.
iliketokeepitsimplestupid
It's some sort of parasite. Doodle it. You'll just tempt them.
iliketokeepitsimplestupid
A parasite.
CrimsonNirnr00t
You won't be a better person by looking in to it.
newyorknyc
Wtf is a German muffin.
SomebodyStoleMyCarRadio
Kanye West's wife
nopost
A hobbit?
Majorjackov
Bless your soul
forgotmyusernameagain
A deadly tumor
kJerAFK
wtf I didn't know he was an olympian...
StarvingGarbage
That's sort of sad
kJerAFK
how is that sad?
geckogirl34
Was an olympic gold medalist. Then was on a TV show with all the Kardashians. Transition is tough but everything is easier with money.
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geckogirl34
Not sure what you mean but thanks.
seeingsalty
Wealth and class are the true privilege. Always has been, always will be.
DefaultImgurUsername
Also already have a reality TV show off his own that will make him/her even more money
ArdentSlacker
So that's why she's in such great shape.
FlatPlutoSociety
Easier with money, certainly. I wonder if things like this are more stressful with fame, though.
geckogirl34
Possibly.
Griffy11
Except being poor.
kohrah
good job dodging the pronouns :)
geckogirl34
I've been around the transgender community for almost 10 years now. I'm pretty good at either using them correctly or omitting entirely.
MosDeaf
I thought he was also tied into OJ's trial- his lawyer or something?
geckogirl34
The Kardashians come from Johnnie Cochran partner in the OJ trial Robert Kardashian. That helped gain their family some fame.
whyteraven74
Only some parts of it are easier with money.
friendlyneighborhoodanesthetist
I see you avoiding those pronouns, @geckoperson34
geckogirl34
I've known a few trans people in my life and they tell me pronouns are a big deal.
AlesiaAisela
For some, and then there are those of us that are pretty chill and don't make a fuss of it
geckogirl34
True seems that way for every group, somethings are a big deal, some aren't. Still I enjoy meeting all the LGBT people.
veronicamarsdestroyerofworlds
This argument makes zero sense. How does her being rich negate the point she's making, IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE?
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Misora
This post confuses me. It's like he's saying that Jenner went through all that cause he was bored and rich. Not cause she wanted to be her.
Manateechica
Because it makes it seem not as "genuine"...a lot of poor trans people can't relate b/c this will never their reality.
emmuppet
They're reality will hopefully be to be supported for who they are
emmuppet
Fuck, *their
Manateechica
Yea true. Hopefully.
hotxbuns
Frankly, anything that gets the plight of trans people attention is okay with me, as a trans person.
MostDefinite
Can I ask you something?
hotxbuns
Uh, sure, go ahead.
MostDefinite
sorry for late response! My initial feelings are that people in the trans community might grow up feeling inadequate by societies' (1/2)
MostDefinite
standards. Caitlyn made huge contribution to trans community! However, do you think it might add to trans youth feel inadequate w/o surgery?