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Time Doesn’t Exist
There’s also the idea that time doesn’t exist at all, which was wholeheartedly argued in the early 1900s by a philosopher named J.M.E. McTaggart. According to McTaggart, there are two different ways we can look at time. The first, called A-Theory, states that time has an order and flows along a path; in this version of time, it’s possible to organize things as they happen. There’s a progression of events from the past to the present to the future.B-Theory, on the other hand, states that the passing of time—and time itself—is a complete illusion, and there is no way to objectively assign events a particular order. This version of time is seemingly supported by our memories, which tend to recall events as individual pockets of time, not as an overall flow or passage of time.Take both these theories into account, and it proves that time doesn’t exist because in order for it to exist, there needs to be a continuous change in events, the world, or in circumstances. The B-Theory is by its own definition not a reference to the passage of time, and there is no unfolding change. Therefore, time doesn’t exist. But if the A-Theory is accurate, that too suggests that time can’t exist. Take a moment in time—say, your 21st birthday. At one point, this was a point in the future, but this same moment will someday exist in the past. Since a moment can’t be past, present, and future, McTaggart says that theory is contradictory and therefore impossible—along with time itself.
Four-Dimensionalism And Block Universe Theory
The theory of four-dimensionalism and block universe theory are connected by the idea of time as an actual dimension. In four-dimensionalism, all objects exist in four dimensions rather than three, and the fourth dimension, time, can be thought of in terms of the other three dimensions. Block universe theory imagines the entire universe as a dimensional block made up of slices of time. It has width, depth, and height, and for everything and every event that has a measurable duration, there are essentially layers of time that form its whole. Every person is a four-dimensional object that exists in layers of time—there are layers of time for infancy, for childhood, for adolescence, and so on. Time doesn’t, in itself, exist in such a way that there’s a past, present, and future, but each point within the block is any one of those three things in reference to other points of time. The block universe theory also leaves room for the idea of infinite time, both past and future, by saying that the dimensional block can extend into infinity in either direction. What it doesn’t leave room for is change in the future—since the occurrence of the events in the block of time already exist, the future has already been decided.
The Oddball Effect
Occasionally, we hear stories of someone who’s in a life-threatening or terrifying situation in which they swear that time slows down. It’s often when we’re faced with an event that’s happening on a massive scale, or when something completely unexpected occurs; it’s such a widespread phenomenon that there’s been a lot of discussion on whether or not we’re really experiencing time slowing down to allow us to process all the information we’re being confronted with. Researchers first looked at what it would mean if time really did slow down for us. We would be able to see things in greater quality, and we’d be able to pick out greater details as images flashed by us. The brain tends to blend stimuli together into one event, as long as that information is received less than 80 milliseconds apart. So if time slows, we should recognize stimuli as separate events. Participants in the study were shown a series of flashing numbers to determine the point at which the brain overcame time and made it impossible to distinguish the different numbers in the series. Once they were tested for their baseline, they were then asked to do the same thing while being dropped from a 46-meter (150 ft) tower. Then, they were also asked to watch other people fall from the same tower, and estimate how long those falls were in comparison with their own. When asked to time their own fall, participants estimated that it was about 36 percent longer than the falls of the people they were watching. That, coupled with the results showing that people weren’t any better at identifying numbers when placed in a situation that made them theoretically experience slowed time, suggests that it’s not the moment that’s slowed down for us, but our recollection of it. While it would have an amazing practical benefit if we could experience slowed time, it’s now hypothesized that it’s something in our memories that makes terrifying events seem to last forever.
Khronos, Kronos, and Father Time
Before Greek philosophers took a crack at explaining time, there was a mythological explanation, and that explanation includes the original figure of Father Time. Before there was anything, there were the primordial gods Khronos and Ananke. Khronos was the god of time, imagined as part man, part lion, and part bull. Ananke, a serpent, wrapped around the egg of the world in a symbol of eternity. Khronos also shows up in Greco-Roman mythology, where he’s depicted as standing within the wheel of a zodiac. Ungoverned by time, he can be either an old or young man, much like today’s images of Father Time and the baby of the new year. Khronos was the father of the titans and is often used interchangeably with Kronos, who was also associated with time. Kronos was the titan responsible for de-throning and castrating his father, and who would later be killed by his own son, Zeus. It was Khronos who was responsible for the progression of time through the seasons and through the years from the very beginning, but the things that happened to men and women within that time were the domain of someone else.We largely relate to time by what happens to us in its passage. We grow up and then we grow old. That life cycle of man wasn’t the domain of time, but of the Moirai. Klotho spun the thread of life, beginning the cycle for everyone. Lakhesis measured how long the thread would be, while Atropos cut the thread. The Moirai would foretell future events as well, suggesting that destiny had already been written. Although the gods controlled the passage of time throughout the seasons, the Moirai were in charge of things happening within it, such as Persephone’s return to her mother Demeter in the summertime or her months with her husband during the winter.
We’re Not Good At Telling Time
Time seems like it would be one of the easiest things to wrap your head around when it comes to discussing the physics of space, time, dimensions, and everything that goes along with them. We’re not really that good at even telling time, though, and we have the track record to prove it. On one hand, there’s sidereal time, which is the time measured by the placement of the stars and the Earth’s rotation. That obviously varies quite a bit, though, so we also have the solar day. That’s based on the amount of time it takes the Earth to make a single rotation on its axis, which is also pretty varied. That’s why we need to take a solar year and average out the length of the rotations to come up with our system of time.Earlier in the 20th century, though, scientists and astronomers discovered that the Earth’s rotation was slowing down. They created Ephemeris Time to account for that, which was phased out in 1979. Then there was Terrestrial Dynamical Time, which was more precise and is based on International Atomic Time. This was discontinued in 1991, when it was technically renamed Terrestrial Time.And if keeping track of time zones seems complicated, even today the positions of the stars and other solar bodies are used in conjunction with Terrestrial Dynamical Time, but with the rest of the world on Universal Time as its practical standard, there needed to be a way to convert the two—that’s Delta T.In other words, we just have no idea what to do with time, even though we use it and live it every day. The most apparently straightforward of all questions regarding time isn’t straightforward at all.
Part 1: http://imgur.com/gallery/ZRaZR
Source (Apologies for not adding it to the first one, as it was rightly pointed out by some helpful Imgurians!): http://listverse.com/2015/01/07/10-mind-blowing-attempts-at-explaining-time/
syrinissa
Hooray for Metaphysics on Imgur! Also McTaggart's 'M' is also McTaggart. Cause of some weird family relation marriage stuff lol
xzyzzy
look, can we just agree that time is weird as shit
manslut
http://www.timecube.com/
CarltheMexicanWhoopingLlama
TIL that Dr. Who did an incredible job of explaining time. It really IS all wibbly-wobbly. :)
DontBeAFool
Fuckin' upvotes
TheGreatLordLucifer
How do they work?!?!
werdCAsquared
I'm imagining fuckin' downvotes would have on bondage and a safe word of Oklahoma
diregamer
C'mon you are an imgurian. Clearly it would be 'rotten banana' which i mean who gets off on that? wait nm i remember the last ruffcats. sry
hoboindenial
Douglas Adams has the right idea. http://inspirably.com/uploads/user/11911-time-is-an-illusion-lunchtime-doubly-so.png
timeisanillusion
Im relevant!
HellerHiwater
Kind of have a buzz. Commenting so I can read later when sober.
Cassiraa
Where's www.TimeCube.com
tactactacooo
Favorite to read later.
haneulyoats
favorite and forget* you mean
flamingflamingo
I stopped reading at the first one. The first is probably a legit theory but it was paraphrased so badly that I didn't understand it.
raphidae
The quantum wave function of the entire universe does not fit time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%E2%80%93DeWitt_equation
raphidae
Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_time
MrTittyKaka
And don't forget the land before time. Or time after time.
Grehgous
But if time isn't real, how does my alarm know when to go off OP?
Cavalish
I hate the "Time isn't real" theory cos it means I'm already dead, and I like being alive.
BlackHoleSHadows
So are you not going to mention anything about the physics of time like General Relativity or Time dilation? Those things are really cool.
Samsang
Time is pretty much a dimension. You don't arrange a meeting without giving a place (in 3 dimensions) and a time (the 4th dimension).
jjmarshmallow
Your phone is a pocket watch.
NotSoSmartAlek
mind.blown
TheGoodTheBadAndTheImgurian
Time is a great song guys. I fuckin love Pink Floyd!
driveslow
Time caught me slepin
Tefal
I never got the point of it when I was younger. Then I turned 30 and took a time arrow in the knee.
remalle
Tickin' away, the moments that make up a dull day...
ireadyouremailz
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
SuomiOnHyva
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown...
Batuffolo
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your hometown
Syncroincity
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
DancingPanther
Then there's Dr. Who.......
Bob423
It's more like a big ball of...wibbily wobbily...timey whimey...stuff.
AxelYamanaka
And then there's zelda, where time is whatever you want it to be whenever you need it to be that.
flamingflamingo
For the last time, he's just the Doctor. "Doctor Who" refers to the eternal question of his missing name.
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DancingPanther
I like you
TheTrekkieWhovian
You beat me to this. I like mentioning this anytime someone "corrects" another on his name.
theproudestmonkeyyouveeverseen
I was halfway through typing the same exact thing when I noticed it had already been done.
JettKaiju
You are technically correct... The best kind of correct.
micksy
J.M.E. McTaggart didn't come up with that theory. He plagiarised it after I thought of it just now.
icanthandlethetacos
My phone says it's 11:01 though.
Pumpkinbot
Y'all motherfuckers need Akatosh.
Flashback0180
White gold trity
DickMercenary
Only affects Talos worship. Akatosh is accepted as a god (though by different names) in most cultures.
paintedgreenmushrooms
Mara be praised!
MnemonicMonkeys
alternatively for elves: Auri-El
ExoticVibe
Auriel, Auri-El, Akatosh. Doesn't matter how you say it is, and always will be the soul of Anu (The everything).
introducedspecies
Anuiel is one I think they say as well.
sheogorathda
I prefer Stendar when its the eight and one
honeyboob
Who or what is Akatosh?
Pumpkinbot
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akatosh
honeyboob
How bout a TL;DR version for those of us who doubt it'll ever come up in a test
ExoticVibe
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Auri-El
ExoticVibe
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Akatosh
TheStormThief
PRAISE TALOS!
farmerJon990
PRAISE HELIX!
maybeyourface
damn faithless imperials
AnimalSlaveHolocaust
Hail Sithis!
HotSake
Where were you when the dragon broke?
Pumpkinbot
I want to say "Punching Akatosh in the face", implying I caused the Warp in the West, but I already made myself out to worship Akatosh, huh?
Lozorien
This is metaphysics. Einstein's Space-Time explains it all (and is weirder).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS46DZe5usY
meccit
This! I skimmed it for some science but only saw a load of new-age crapola... Ctrl-F Einstien and here we are
feedusfetusfaheetas
I find these posts fascinating ... Thank you!
Zeetoois
Of all of these, I find the 4-Dimensions theory the easiest to grasp.
Zeetoois
(Still not easy; I meant to say that I find it the most logical)
NotSoSmartAlek
travel at c in space, do not age in time. Something like that.
Zeetoois
Exactly. Logic and science and shit. :D
NotSoSmartAlek
It makes relativity more sensible! your velocity is a set vector, and the more the vector increases in the 3 space dimensions (speeding up)
NotSoSmartAlek
the more it decreases in the time dimension (time dilation). the set vector is probably equal to c for everything, thus photons, which
GapingHeadwound
Philosophy is great and all but this is mostly tripe and it's why you should science. Also...
GapingHeadwound
if I'm not mistaken we use pulsars to measure time because they're the most accurate timekeeper we've found so far.
GapingHeadwound
when we find a more accurate way to measure time it makes former methods obsolete. It's NOT that we "have no idea what to do with time"
Kur111
Well, just like gravity and some other concepts of physics we know it's there but we can only guess why. That's the point.
GapingHeadwound
Indeed! However, when speculating on the "why" it's still rather important to be impartial and accurate about the "what" and "how"
guminski
Science comes directly from philosophic ideas... Try learning something new without ever saying "what if..." or "maybe"
GapingHeadwound
you could replace the word "time" with the word "space" in all of the above and it would be equally meaningless
GapingHeadwound
Heh. Heh heh. That was a little joke. LAUGH YOU HUMORLESS PEASANTS
waitwhereamI
Maybe I'm missing the point, but some of these don't really seem to address "time" the property of the physical universe. Instead they seem
gewalt
I missed the point because i was not high when reading this. clearly targeted at people under the influence of a substance.
waitwhereamI
Given the posts inconsistencies in defining time, I'd wager it was written by someone under the influence.
waitwhereamI
Maybe for, as well, but that's far from the only target. No, the target audience is any human that does things besides play CandyCrush
waitwhereamI
And FarmVille in their free time.
causality
This is a list of philosophical horseshit that has absolutely no bearing on reality whatsoever.
shekles
Testify.
AmpsterMan
Amen.
IWRITEEVERYTHINGINCAPS
CORRECT. FROM A SCIENCE POV WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIME IS. IT'S IS MERELY THE CHANGE IN MATTER CAUSED BY THE FUNDAMENTAL FORCES.
jarebdude
Through my studies in mathematics I have arrived at the same conclusion as described in Four-Dimensionalism And Block Universe Theory.
waitwhereamI
That's the only way that time actually makes any sense to me. I think of it kind of as the stack in a computer, in that
jarebdude
The way I understand it, nothing random exists. So everything must flow into the next moment. A very logical and explainable progress.
swizec
The problem with this is explanation is that free will cannot exist. And without free will, why do we keep people accountable for stuff?
jarebdude
Free will does exist inside the realms of a non-random world. Your brain functions in a very specific way. It reacts to stimuli.
swizec
That's why I prefer the probabilistic rather than deterministic explanation of the universe. Predictability and logic, but with wiggle room.
jarebdude
The act of choosing doesn't mean not predictable. Your brain is wired in a specific way, so each combination of stimuli can be understood...
waitwhereamI
With each "time step" of physics, the resulting transformations are "stored" above all previous "time steps," and it just grows,ad infinitum
waitwhereamI
Obviously that's not entirely accurate to reality, as it effectively simplifies the universe into a stack-based simulation, but that's
waitwhereamI
How it functions in my head. I suppose just as possible is the idea that the positions of objects are not "known" from one state to another
shekles
That's a pretty reasonable model actually. It holds up just fine until you start look at quantum time, which is some zany shit.
waitwhereamI
Anything "quantum" just confuses the hell out of me. I don't understand it, and I don't understand how some people can.
shekles
Heisenberg himself once said "anyone who claims to understand quantum physics is wrong."
waitwhereamI
To address the brains perception of time. IMO those are two very different things, and one cannot explain another, as one is the measurable
MFKG
Your definitely missing the point
waitwhereamI
You're*. care to elaborate as to how?
waitwhereamI
State of the universe and its contents with reference to the previous states of the same universe, while the other is a biological process
waitwhereamI
For efficiently perceiving, encoding, and storing, the state of objects in our direct observation, again with reference to their previous
waitwhereamI
States. IMO this is like confusing the neurons which encode position and rotation in our brains, with physical transformation of objects.
Catfactory
Some of these apply to both, or use the one time to analyse the other. 1/2
ThatJerkYouKnow
Well said, wait. For example, the perception of time slowing down has nothing to do with real time. The same can be done for size 1/2
iPretend
That being said, LSD is one hell of a drug.
Catfactory
2/2 There's some arguments for the view that any conception of 'physical' time is necessarily limited by the 'biological' time.
FightnDoug
These are great theories and all but this here says the opposite
InY0Face
I fall for this wayyy too often
SirJimmothy
Just how many times do I have to call bullshit http://imgur.com/AxU3dPP
berrytan
My goodness it actually does! -Mind Blown-
driveslow
Pff, that's not your real name.
RigidAirship
williamsavage
This joke is getting old.
boobsarethebreast
Very.
aquraiumRoy
i almost cant keep track of how old it is
AxelYamanaka
that's because it has no age, because age requires time, which is in itself an illusion.
aquraiumRoy
so I can't keep track of it??
AxelYamanaka
correct, you cannot track what is not there to be tracked. Though, perhaps you can. Perhaps that which cannot be tracked is simply that whic
crazypicsandstuff
Time is an illusion brought about by memory. Minutes are a relative unit of measure and have no more substance than an inch or a liter.
IronStark78
we know time exists because things change in the space we live in based on our previous actions and can't be changed once done.
ThatOneGuyThatSaysThatOneThing
Then we go smaller, true unit of time based on the oscillation of bonds in a particular atom.
HighFivesAlot
Ooo I like you.
itsybitsyspider
This is fine and dandy and all but I doubt my boss would buy any of this if I tried to use it to explain why I was late for work.
CPatricoo
Until you measure it.
crazypicsandstuff
And how do you measure it? Every unit of measure is simply relative motion. An hour is not a thing we are passing through.
IWRITEEVERYTHINGINCAPS
YOU NEED A SCIENCE BOOK.
CPatricoo
Wow so deep. No, son. As in the actual of concept of math for mass concept does not technically align to concepts of time.
Koantum
Time is not synonymous with the units used to quantify it, just as is so with space.
crazypicsandstuff
So you can quantify time? If you've managed to do that, I suggest you contact the Nobel foundation. You're peace prize awaits.
CosmosPreserve
As Koantum said, by using units. "1 second" is defined as a certain number of vibrations of a certain cesium isotope IIRC.
Koantum
You quantify time in the same way that you quantify space, by describing it with units.
crazypicsandstuff
Nope, space is a field and not an empty void. Inches do not exist. We quantify something by interacting with it, not imagining it.
Koantum
Quantification is abstraction and relies totally on units. You seem to be misunderstanding what the word quantify means.
Goodwolf
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
Eskandar
As a retail employee:
Pumpkinbot
"Lunch break? Haha, you're funny. Also not getting paid today." - Wal-Mart, probably.
DoctorCatDog
There it is
Goodwolf
Well somebody had to say it. :)
Goodwolf
PS, just saw your Christmas selfie. Congratulations on being one of the very few to make my jaw drop.
DoctorCatDog
Oooo thanks :D
Goodwolf
No, thank *you*. ;) Also, where were you that had a Piggly Wiggly? They once were huge back home, but I thought they were defunct now.
FoxEarFetish
You made me smirk like a dumbass. Have your +1.
aldegard
Zaphod?
Goodwolf
Close! Ford Prefect actually said it.
aldegard
you know, i was deliberating whether\or before I replied, 'cause these aphorisms are more Zaphod's style and for me Ford is 2nd to him with
aldegard
2 these retorts. But even this can be a blundered memory of a time when I was obsessed with this masterpiece. tnx for bringing me back then.
Goodwolf
Well, Zaphod and Ford were semi cousins and shared three mothers... so close enough.