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Reposting because Imgur glitched out yesterday, and this is important. They say those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. It's important to note that those who suppress the teaching of history (looking at you, Republicans) plan on repeating it. Don't think it can't happen again, or can't happen here. It can. Look at the worst attendees of a Trump rally, or the J6 traitors.
CloakedFigure
When one member of our party is attacked, we all roll for initiative.
steve1378
Sounds like gazalighting to me....
djangojazz
Reminder that at their core, most conservatives will go back to this if given the chance. Looking at US Republicans and Project 2025 which is made by the Heritage Foundation and truly scary. Not just for US citizens but the effect it would ripple out having a Republic change in a quick manner.
Rocketpocketpants
When I was a preteen, I put together this binder of WW2 that was basically an hourly history of everything from WW1 to the end of WW2. I was obsessed and it is the one thing I regret losing. But, unfortunately it makes me far to aware of everything leading up to the worst parts of the war. I want to believe that things may shake out differently because the internet this time around. But I'll be honest. I'm prepared for the worst, but I hope for the best.
Lance4lot
Well, we in Germany had our "Kristallnacht" and the USA had their Jan 6 Capitol Attack. Now we know the USA would do the same as Germany (and DID!) AND unlike the germans they did so in FRONT of ALL the modern MEDIA + social Media so there's evidence like crazy.
Fedotia
I wasnt aware of that ambassador's murder, but indeed jews who migrated to France turned into very active saboteurs, or "terrorists" as the occupation force called them, who then took hostages among the locals to be put to the firing squad unless arrests were made.
Abrazilian
And the jews learned... NOTHING. They are acting like their opressors. When the tides change, they will be opressed again.
IfIfitsItits
Please don't call it Kristallnacht anymore.
otiumCatulli
A lot of people still really hate Jewish people and they absolutely are fanning the flames of antisemitism right now. They're cynically using the Palestine crisis as a cover. They're taking people horrified by the violence and Using them. You can be anti Israel all day, it's very easy to be anti Netanyahu, but I'm stood here and seeing perfectly reasonable people turn into conspiracy theorists now. Being brainwashed.
ChewyTheWookie
@op the last word of the link got detached and broke it. needs a repair edit. In the mean time https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/kristallnacht
SanshinDojo
Thanks. I’m going to fix it now.
ChewyTheWookie
Now the poor thing is just gone
pyaremohan
"This must never happen again", every time it happens. And will happen.
DarkRedCape
The people who are defeated never change their ideals, they just know they have to bide their time before trying their bullshit again. They stew on the bitterness of their defeat, learn from their mistakes and their ideals become even more twisted. Then, enough time passes, and because people are fickle and have short memories, it inevitably happens again.
justfillingthespace
Our only comfort is that, as the decades go on, their numbers gradually become a smaller percentage of the overall population. But even *that* is only if we remain vigilant.
epistlero
I don't understand people's adherence to their imaginary sky god, if someone points a gun at me ( or a knife, or pitchfork or torch) and asks me if I am "X" religion I would definitely deny it. That being said, violence should not be condoned , yet our species looks at every little thing and asks, "can this be used as a weapon?"
JamShady
Easier said than done in many cases, and for many people it's literally part of their identity. I'm guessing you're an atheist... how well would you pass for [insert religion here] if your life depended on it?
epistlero
L'chaim, praise Jesus, - As-salamu alaikum
JamShady
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't fly! My standard question for asking "ex-Muslims" is to recite Fatiha, which if they were as devout as they claimed to be, they'd know it well from reciting it 17 times a day daily. In all my years of doing it, not a single one has managed it.
Reidsb
I knew a decent amount about this event, but not in detail like this. It was interesting (and saddening, of course), to read.
Huor
Full honour and respect to Germany for keeping these horrific memories alive. Meanwhile, in my Jewish neighbourhood in Canada, we now have police cars permanently stationed outside schools, community centres and daycares.
Gedalya
Terrible that this hate still plagues us even in the US and Canada
trippingthelightfantastic
RobberBaronsBad
The poem doesn't start, "first they came for the communists..." for nothing.
Elgrandeburito
Also a Reminder that we dont call it kristallnacht cause it romanticises what happened.
YouRadicalizedMe
Wow.. I will read this to my son after school.. thank you for the knowledge friend... Peace and love.
KillingTlme
I almost stopped reading when I thought they fucked up the word Program in the first sentence. Pogrom = An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, especially one conducted against Jews.
MarshallDaemon
America wasn't all that sympathetic. Don't forget the time period. There were a lot of Nazis here.
SanshinDojo
Still are. They just call themselves the “Freedom Caucus” now.
PrincessLeliana
Dont post this the israeli's will write it down to follow.
DocBenny
they started taking notes in '48
DdCno1
When they were attacked from all sides? How does this make any sense?
DocBenny
when they started turning Palestine into an ever-smaller ghetto
DdCno1
You have absolutely zero idea about what happened back then.
DocBenny
i've got a pretty good hunch about who is committing pogroms against who.
SanshinDojo
Obvious antisemitism is obvious.
CliffWestern
Correct. Equating Judaism to a government is antisemetic
PrincessLeliana
Remember folks - not wanting genocide means youre antisemitic.
CamperGuy
Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss would disagree. Zionism is a (relatively) new movement, when compared to the entirety of Judaism. "Judaism is subservience to God, that's what it's all about; It's a religion of 3000 years. While Zionism is a mere 150 years. It's a transformation to nationalism; to have a piece of land. It's a political movement; it's a materialistic movement."
DdCno1
Imagine quoting a literally insane person who takes part in Holocaust denial conferences while pretending that he is in any way, shape or form an authority on this topic.
CamperGuy
My apologies, I was not aware he was a holocaust denialist. And I don't think the Israeli Citizens are to blame for any of this. They are as powerless as any of us are with our own government. But that doesn't mean that blindly accepting genocidal actions towards an imprisoned people who have no power over what happens to their own land and aren't free to leave, and are being bombed willing by the IDF, is okay. We are past what any "sane" individual would claim is "acceptable retaliation".
DdCno1
Read this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67327079 Do you think a nation engaging in genocide would go through this much trouble to save civilians?
Gedalya
"Nazi officials disguised the organized nature of the pogroms." Today's Nazis use GoPros to livestream and brag about their pogroms.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
That's the thing though, it's a paper-thin deception. Like how it's obvious to anyone with a brain that Trump and company deliberately provoked the J6 riots, but there aren't official orders saying "Go here and stop the certification."
Pieccentric
"Kristallnacht" is the euphemistic Nazi propaganda term for it, comparing the shards of broken glass from jewish windows to crystals. It is to be called "Reichspogromnacht".
pareidoliaperson
And yet Germany has forbidden most Pro-Palestinian protest groups stating that they're anti-israel. And yet the anti-jewish are still the white nazis.
EmanNiemThcin
Two groups, Hamas and and Samidoun. Let's stick to the facts, shall we? https://www-bundesregierung-de.translate.goog/breg-de/aktuelles/hamas-verbot-2234286?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en And no, this sort of thing isn't limited to palestinians https://www-zdf-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/politik/verbotene-rechtsextreme-organisationen-deutschland-100.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en
pareidoliaperson
Wow thank god palestinians are judged at the same level as nazis!/s Imagine burning a place down so badly you become infamous for burning this place down and then being on the lookout that someone else does not try some of that only because you did. Pandereconomics at its highest level.
pareidoliaperson
Coward posts irrelevant links and mutes. Well thank god. Probably Netanyahu bootlicker
badgesweedontneednostinkingbadges
When someone is abused, they either become an abuser themselves, or they can become someone who fights against abuse in all its forms. Can this be applied to today? (sic)
Aasgeier
Fact #1 It's not called "Kristallnacht" anymore! That's a term coined by Nazi propaganda at the time. It's called "Pogromnacht" nowadays.
TheFishFace
It is still called kristallnacht. The idea that you can't use the terms Nazis cooked up for things just because they were Nazi propaganda is idiotic. It stinks of not wanting to say the name Voldemort.
Aasgeier
It's an euphemism and propaganda term, in no time any comparable with a person's name. It was chosen to convey a certain meaning.
Aasgeier
It's very similar to calling the Holocaust "Endlösung". You don't do that, do you? Believe me, there are decades of discussion on what to call these dreadful events an "Kristallnacht" is one that has long been phased out.
TheFishFace
You are simply wrong to say it has been "phased out". You are *trying* to phase it out. I grew up calling the Holocaust the Holocaust and Kristallnacht Kristallnacht and the Enabling Act the Enabling Act. Linking the original phrases because they use the Nazi phrasing doesn't make an actual argument that it's wrong.
Aasgeier
I see now that this discussion has completely been ignored in English speaking countries. Well, then go on mocking the victims.
TheFishFace
It's the height of arrogance to demand and expect that speakers of other languages undergo the same linguistic debates and draw the same conclusions as whatever happened in your language. It's not mockery; it's just using a different word. Of all the artificial words to replace it with though - Pogromnacht? As if it was the only pogrom? Sounds like you're mocking all the other Pogrom victims through the ages.
EmanNiemThcin
Btw. We call it 'Pogromnacht' now since 'Kristallnacht' is the nazi propaganda term.
harribobs
yes but the rest of the world still knows what it was called and what it was
10dees
says who? Renaming stuff with well-recognized names is generally ill-advised. People know what "Kristallnacht" refers to, "Pogromnacht" people have never heard of.
fishmaceins
What are you talking about? I learned the term Pogromnacht 20 something years ago in elementary schools including the knowledge that the term Kristallnacht should be avoided (as it only focuses on the material damage).
paintingagency
I understand the rationale... I saw the term "Krystalnacht" sort of like "comfort women". It's a ghastly euphemism that somehow only emphasizes the underlying horror. But if it doesn't have that effect, then it has to go.
EmanNiemThcin
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen/wdr-reichspogromnacht-pogromnacht-oder-kristallnacht-darum-ist-die-wortwahl-wichtig-102.html
StillWittyMFs
Who is “we”? I’ve never heard anyone in the Jewish community ever refer to it as Pogromnacht.
EmanNiemThcin
In *your* jewish community, it is a commonly used term in Germany and in the form of "Reichspogromnacht" also endorsed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Council_of_Jews_in_Germany See: https://www.zentralratderjuden.de/aktuelle-meldung/">any">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Council_of_Jews_in_Germany See: https://www.zentralratderjuden.de/aktuelle-meldung/artikel/news/zentrale-gedenkveranstaltung-85-jahrestag-der-reichspogromnacht-1/
StillWittyMFs
Yes. My Jewish community, here in the US. Where some six million of us live. I don’t live in Israel…but I’ve been there a few times and I don’t know any Israelis who call it Pogromnacht. Frankly, I still can’t understand why there is a Jewish community in Germany, let alone one who thinks they can dictate anything to the other 19,850,000 Jews on the planet who don’t live in the place that tried to eradicate us.
TheFishFace
Germans can call it whatever they like in German. In English we'll call it whatever we like it.
graehall
Such a trip that there's literal nazis in positions of power now who hate Jewish folk while supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians
unluckyandbored
They hate brown people more than the jews
CivilizedUndead
Actually, it's more like they belong to a death cult that wants Israel to completely annex Palestine, so their lord and savior can come and kill all non-Christians. They hate brown people and Jews equally.
RARusk
Yep, Armageddon.
pareidoliaperson
Exactly this. I don't trust them for shit. Thumb of rule for these people are: their ulterior motive is always win more votes.
Aish83
Israel has become the new Nazis of this era
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
Also bizarre to me that the so called human rights activists in congress who defend every minority's right to inclusion can literally call for genocide against Jews on the house floor and then whine about censorship like they were MTG.
CliffWestern
Wish you weren't't a liar
anyrandom0
Who said that?
DocBenny
your username speaks truth, you better hope your kids don't see your posts. their opinion of you would greatly suffer
KarateCanine
Israel: *copy pasta time*
DdCno1
Imagine writing such an unbelievably moronic comment just after Jews experienced the worst pogrom since WW2. It is downright malicious.
FearsAndMadness
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Dixinmass
Omg do you condemn hamas ur so anti semitic i cant beleive you wont let me murder 10s of thousands of people and steal their homes.
KarateCanine
Imagine being a genocide supporting shithead. Why don't you give up your land for a Jewish state then? All infrastructure too. Go ahead. Don't want to? Ok, well let's just take it. Give it to them. And put you in this nice little walled settlement and not allow you to work and support your family. But we won't call it a ghetto. HEY HEY HEY! WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY!?!? MAN, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU'RE SUCH AN ANTISEMITE!!! YOU RACIST!!!!!/s
DdCno1
Let's say that's true. Does this justify murdering and raping children in front of their parents? Because that's what Hamas did on October 7. Does this justify blowing up hand grenades in bomb shelters where families tried to hide from rockets fired at them indiscriminately? Does this justify cooking a baby in an oven while raping and then murdering her mother as she had to watch her child die? Does this justify murdering parents and then abducting their children?
KarateCanine
Raping and murdering children and parents has been disproven as false. Recycled Isis footage. All of what you just said is false and disproven. Even by Israeli papers. https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-772181
DdCno1
https://nitter.net/c_kensche/status/1716460163454877958
FailedCrate
Ach, halt's Maul. Spast.
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FailedCrate
Welch ein ignoranter Schwachsinn ist dies? Und nein, ich werde nicht Englisch schreiben bei der Masse an verkappten, ignoranten Antisemitismus.
aslowgiantfart
Ah, so you are anti semitic and think you can hide it in anti Zionism. Here’s a hint; anti Zionism is valid criticism of Israel’s violence and policies. Antisemitism is taking a conversation about pogroms and using it to make a whataboutism to the violent government of Israel, and saying “stay out of this, your people caused this.”
FailedCrate
Welch ein ignoranter Schwachsinn ist dies? Und nein, ich werde nicht Englisch schreiben bei der Masse an verkappten, ignoranten Antisemitismus.
KarateCanine
I may have made a mistake recognising the language. I assumed it was German, or Dutch, who were very pro nazi. So saying 'your people caused this' was directed at German and Dutch history during WW2. Also, being anti-israel and pro Palestine does not make me an anti-Semite. Palestinians, and Arabs in general, ARE Semites. So read a book please. Also, before you say the Dutch weren't nazis, yes they were. They helped round up the Jews gleefully. Their king was a card carrying nazi. 250,000 1/
KarateCanine
Volunteered to fight for the Nazis. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/25/arts/dutch-files-accused-nazi-collaborators.html
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
It's bizarre to me that you can read about this and then turn right around and say "well ok, but that was then, THIS TIME the genocidal hate group that wants to exterminate Jews are the good guys".
SendMeYourBeautifulActsOfKindness
It's exceptionally antisemitic of you to see the crimes and genocide Israel is commiting and to immediately think "those Jews". Israel is the criminal here.
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
I think it's pretty clear Hamas is a hate group.
KarateCanine
And which group is that? The ones living in Jewish run ghettos for 75+ years? No serious party in this is calling for the extermination of the Jews. They're asking for the original plan of 2 states. Independent Palestine. Independent Israel. Because Palestinians have been there for 2500 years, at least. It may not be as long as the Jews claim to the land, but it still counts. And when this all started (after WW1 and 2) there were millions of palestinians to thousands of Jews. So why was it 1/
danielbr14
You are factually wrong. 1.Apartheid is a specific term for the racist system that was in South Africa at the time. 2.There are over 2 million Arabs who live in Israel that enjoy their fully rights as equal citizens of Israel - so not Apartheid like either. 3.Gaza and the west bank were occupied by Jorden and Egypt until 1967 = not 75 years, please learn addition. 4.PLEASE DON'T LIE, Hamas never even once said it wants to live in peace with the Jews or have anything close to a 2 state solution
danielbr14
5. Palestinians couldn't have been living there for 2500+ years, because 2500 years ago, Jews and Israelites lived there. PLUS the term Palestine was only coined by the Romans when they conquered the jews... 6. The reason there were so few Jews at the time was because AGAIN, THEY WERE KICKED OUT BY THE ROMANS. I would highly suggest you brush up on your history...
KarateCanine
Given to the Jews? Why were their farms and villages seized and bulldozed for them to take it? It wasn't them that took it. It was the Ottomans. The Romans. The Greeks. The British. The Persians. The Babylonians. Etc. Why are you ok with colonialism, apartheid and genocide now?
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
It was not "given" to the Jews - they always lived there. Countless Jewish villages and towns were also murdered and displaced, but they resettled instead of playing the continuous victimization game
KarateCanine
The Jewish people weren't the only ones there though. Ever. That's the issue.
IHopeMyKidsDontSeeThis
And the same group that "gave" Israel to the Jews (the UN) also "gave" a state to the Palestinian Arabs (1947 partition plan), but the Arabs rejected it because they decided they'd rather kill all the Jews than have a state.
aslowgiantfart
It isn’t colonialism for an indigenous people to return to their land. If native Americans razed Washington DC and resettled it it would be very violent, but not colonial. I understand it’s easy to look at this through the colonial lenses but unfortunately that lens does not work for this conflict.
KarateCanine
Jews weren't the first people there though. There were peoples before them. Like the Canaanites. Phoenicians. And Like the Assyrians. So it'd be ok for what is now Syria to come in and destroy all the Jewish settlements? And also, it wasn't the Palestinians that kicked conquered the Jews. Your argument is very flawed.