omg ... boy, did you 'muricans leave out a lot of sh1t from this story ... low GDP growth, HYPERINFLATION, shortages and hunger ... guys, please consult other sources and get yourself a balanced opinion on all of that ... Allende's Chile catastrophe is often tought as a cautionary tale of "how to not run a country"
Communists didn't send all our factories and technical know-how to China. Corporate CEOs did...so they could make a tiny bit more quarterly profit to impress Wall St. and get huge bonuses. Companies sold out the American working class and yet we continue to reward them with greater and greater tax breaks. Insanity.
And the vast majority in the US is still too brainwashed to realise that capitalism is what made things like Epstein and Trump, fascism etc. possible. Fascism is just an extention of the capitalist system.
the ills of authoritarian leftist government are precisely because the people in charge never unlearned the "factory settings" that were indoctrinated into them by capitalism. de-indoctrination from the propaganda peddled by monarchs, magnates, and missionaries (e.g. "humans are inherently greedy," "queers and kinks are evil," "hierarchy is human nature," etc.) is a deeply necessary first step towards genuine progress.
Those are all tools used by the powerful to keep the masses angry at each other so they don't look up. The powerful will do that no matter what the system is. The only way to negate it is to make sure there is no singular sector that is allowed to dominate the others.
Free market capitalism gives too much power to the wealthy. Communism gives to much power to the government. The two need to check each other.
Private sector can't handle healthcare? Give it to the state.
You say /s, but that's literally what happened (except maybe some teachers). Problem for them is, most of our information is peer-to-peer now. For better (socialist enlightenment) or for worse (anti-vaxxers), they don't have absolute control over our information anymore.
I grew up in an american "western ally" country and was indoctrinated that america was the best, Disneyland, Hollywood all the T.V shows. Now I see why Americans are consistently battered with the exceptionist message, if they ever woke from that dream they'd realise it was a nightmare. (Bonus, my step father, a giant of a man, still wakes up screaming and lashing out in a jungle that isn't there over half a century later...sometimes my mother gets injured by accident...thanks American)
As a proponent of capitalism, what frustrates me about this tendency (though it's not restricted to *only* capitalism) is that it's incredibly anti free-market. People who earnestly believe that capitalism can (not must, but can) produce a better life for the majority of people, and who believe that free markets are an essential part of that, should support variety of different economic systems, where people can choose what system they are in. If capitalism doesn't win, it shouldn't.
It's a free market of ideas of how an economy should be run, it's not a literal free market, but if nationalized economies outperform free markets, then they should.
I think you're missing my point - yes, the nationalized economy *is not free*. But the nationalize economy competes against every other non-nationalized economy in the world market, and *that* competition is free. A corporation itself is not a free market within the company, but its competition with other corporations is what constitutes the market. A nation may not be a free market, but its economy competing with others is.
UnlimitedTrickPony
omg ... boy, did you 'muricans leave out a lot of sh1t from this story ... low GDP growth, HYPERINFLATION, shortages and hunger ... guys, please consult other sources and get yourself a balanced opinion on all of that ... Allende's Chile catastrophe is often tought as a cautionary tale of "how to not run a country"
LespritDeLescalier22
It is the heart of US policy to use fascism to preserve capitalism while claiming to be saving democracy from communism .
ATLandNerdy
At first I thought he was going to ask me if I wanted to look like a thicky thicky dum dum
StubbDubya
Was an eye opener for me, as to why most of the world hates the US.
DoingDogsWork
Communists didn't send all our factories and technical know-how to China. Corporate CEOs did...so they could make a tiny bit more quarterly profit to impress Wall St. and get huge bonuses. Companies sold out the American working class and yet we continue to reward them with greater and greater tax breaks. Insanity.
OhJeezImWildin
And the vast majority in the US is still too brainwashed to realise that capitalism is what made things like Epstein and Trump, fascism etc. possible. Fascism is just an extention of the capitalist system.
ontarioOT
If anyone wants to learn more, "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein is a good read.
UncleRat
Another book is "Legacy of Ashes," the first volume of the CIA's history.
teumessianfox
Doot.
Illinifan88
Communism is just as bad as capitalism. Both make it far too easy for power to accumulate with the few.
We need something in the middle. A balance of control between private and public. And it needs CONSTANT maintenance via a robust democracy.
Europe is probably the closest to this right now, but even there, private sector still has too much.
VinchVolt
the ills of authoritarian leftist government are precisely because the people in charge never unlearned the "factory settings" that were indoctrinated into them by capitalism. de-indoctrination from the propaganda peddled by monarchs, magnates, and missionaries (e.g. "humans are inherently greedy," "queers and kinks are evil," "hierarchy is human nature," etc.) is a deeply necessary first step towards genuine progress.
Illinifan88
Those are all tools used by the powerful to keep the masses angry at each other so they don't look up. The powerful will do that no matter what the system is. The only way to negate it is to make sure there is no singular sector that is allowed to dominate the others.
Free market capitalism gives too much power to the wealthy. Communism gives to much power to the government. The two need to check each other.
Private sector can't handle healthcare? Give it to the state.
Gotcha44
The US has never been a good guy. Lately though, it's just reeeeeally becoming apparent.
Nim449
but but but our teachers, our approved history textbooks, our Hollywood movies, and our leaders *told* us we were the good guys!!! /s
Gotcha44
18booma
You say /s, but that's literally what happened (except maybe some teachers). Problem for them is, most of our information is peer-to-peer now. For better (socialist enlightenment) or for worse (anti-vaxxers), they don't have absolute control over our information anymore.
Whoisthisdoctorwho2000
I grew up in an american "western ally" country and was indoctrinated that america was the best, Disneyland, Hollywood all the T.V shows. Now I see why Americans are consistently battered with the exceptionist message, if they ever woke from that dream they'd realise it was a nightmare. (Bonus, my step father, a giant of a man, still wakes up screaming and lashing out in a jungle that isn't there over half a century later...sometimes my mother gets injured by accident...thanks American)
sitenickname
Capitalism cannot let people see a different system that works better.
For capitalism to survive it must kill off anyone and anything that threatens it.
pgdave
As a proponent of capitalism, what frustrates me about this tendency (though it's not restricted to *only* capitalism) is that it's incredibly anti free-market. People who earnestly believe that capitalism can (not must, but can) produce a better life for the majority of people, and who believe that free markets are an essential part of that, should support variety of different economic systems, where people can choose what system they are in. If capitalism doesn't win, it shouldn't.
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pgdave
It's a free market of ideas of how an economy should be run, it's not a literal free market, but if nationalized economies outperform free markets, then they should.
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pgdave
I think you're missing my point - yes, the nationalized economy *is not free*. But the nationalize economy competes against every other non-nationalized economy in the world market, and *that* competition is free. A corporation itself is not a free market within the company, but its competition with other corporations is what constitutes the market. A nation may not be a free market, but its economy competing with others is.