Nov 8, 2014 12:17 PM
ImSynnical
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cyanide_&_happiness
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MisterM069
....shit, you got me.
NotThatNickClegg
I say we start killing kids.
ihaveaplansocunningyoucouldputatailonitandcallitaweasel
*flu shots fired*
Nas160
I didn't know someone else posted it before me, I just saw it on explosm.net and thought you would like it. since vaccines are controversial
Cheesecakecrush
Population wouldn't be an issue if we'd get interstellar space travel already you slow ass scientists
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
This comic has aged like a fine wine
Clitastrophe
http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_kendall_demo_a_needle_free_vaccine_patch_that_s_safer_and_way_cheaper
ballbagmaguire
Cyanide and Happiness. Putting in the man-hours to study the science of what you need.
Toolazyforclever
Boats and hos.
dragonraven13
Gotta have me
MrGubbmintMan
Ah, this hits different from 2021.
rriverhawk
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mass-sterilization-exercise-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-u
DJWolfy
Better yet let's stop paying for old people's health care and take all of their will money :D
Slots
Take warning labels off too.
SwampPaladin
The labels are not to keep you from dying or getting hurt, but to stop the company from getting sued.
AmArschdieRaeuber
True
Steelflight
All's I'm sayin' is n'aam sayin', n'am sayin'?
PattiMichelle
Well, except that your kids unvaccinated kill my kids....
BruisinBAnthony
Hopefully
BramPoel
REPOST
pikmints
unless the actual cyanide and happiness website is reposting their own stuff, this is new. This is today's comic.
i have seen it in usersub before
Rosisen
I first read it as vacations instead of vaccinations.
uninquisitor
the world is not overpopulated. CITIES are overpopulated. there is a difference.
Bent0916
This. Gettin real tired of people with no knowledge of economics or sociology saying we're overpopulated when half our food is thrown out.
Not to mention how much free space we have, how much tech we've yet to exploit, improvements in all of the above areas, etc.
Syng42
That 'free space' is called nature and we have already taken too much of it away from animals. We need stop having so many damn kids.
girlfiend
Yes, and the large population of the cities is becoming too much for the global food supply. Doesn't matter where they are. There's too many
KaiserFredVIII
With the rapid increase in socioeconomical status of people in underdeveloped countries, resources are increasingly strained. If the world+
isn't overpopulated already(protip: it is), it will be very soon.
An article from May 2013 published in the PRSB talks about the subject, and Collapse, by Jared Diamond has great discussion on the subject.
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
Malthusians, being wrong since 1798, they never take into account new technology and the fact that richer people have fewer kids
Relying on New Technologyâ„¢ to save our asses is kinda dangerous. Malthusian collapses have happened multiple times in systems where people+
it is a limited amount of resources available, that is being increasingly depleted all around the world.
overused their resources and couldn't replace them well enough. And richer people also consume more, MUCH more. The problem isnt population+
goodjobmyfellowman
Thanks, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey
Solkanarmy
if only there were a vaccine against being fucking stupid
jcarn
If only there were a vaccine against vaccine circle jerk posts on imgur
Dispari
Wouldn't work, stupid people avoid vaccines.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Cyanide.
(hah)
Felixohg
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Funeralopolis
Most countries that get vaccinated are not overly populated. Only that area of China and the surrounding areas contribute to over population
convictedmelon
Fair enough..
qaaaaa
Do we really need to repost Cyanide and Happiness comics the day they are released?
TitansAllTheWayDown
does it matter? its funy and noones seen it yet unless youve been to the site...
How else would people get free internet points except by plagiarism
Nalianna
Yes, yes we do.
purpleseadragons
For his reason, that's a valid point
PoorlyContrivedUsername
https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lye4d8xP271qg2vwko1_500.gif
WowSuchDoge
Why is it in black and white ? GO AWAY TUMBLR
Anything in black and white is art. So, it's art.
ICannotDecideOnAUsername
*Takes dick pick* *Opens photoshop* Alright, time to make some art
Why isn't there an inspirational quote on it if it's art then ?
I think overpopulation is pretty inspirational. Like, look how far we've come. Lots of people had sex and now we're too many. Beautiful.
Ozzythezombi
I'm totally agree with this gif. Seriously , we're so many that we are destroying the planet and all that's live on it ( even us).
ChimingIn
Interstellar was pretty good.
I didn't see it :/ The last episode of "Planet of the apes", is the best exemple i have but also the more extrem.
Arhem correction , "The road" is the best exemple of the destruction of the planet by us . ( Sorry Al Gore )
I'm sure there's a sentence in there somewhere
I have a bad english, sorry :x But it's getting better is guess.
Hey, it's better than my...any other language
Yeah sure (even if that's kind of sad )... don't try french or i will have the opportunity to get my revenge :D
I agree too, but how can we stop overpopulation without suffering and/or dictatorship level laws?
Hum,i don't thinks we have to critic laws in the first place in this situation.It's more about mentality, that's why plague is one solution.
You can't kill people and you can't really tell them they can't have kids
Aimanfire
Good job on changing the subject
ZeroDarkJoe
Over - population is a myth
LegendaryMoonlightSculptor
Over minus population is a myth, yes.
ImgurMontoya
Yes, it is. Overcrowding is a problem, but not overpopulation. The two are very different. (Cities are crowded. The Earth is not.)
Glyd
This. We have the resources to adequately feed and house everyone, but greed and selfishness exists sadly.
Exactly. We have a resource mismanagement problem, not an overpopulation problem.
Empire385
Lazy people also exist sadly.
KingOfTheInterwebz
Sounds like Inferno, by Dan Brown. Go read it. It makes an awful lot of sense.
Barackrifle
GREAT read! It's sitting across the room from me now, might re open it. :)
flapperfemmefatale
i really liked that book. and i wouldn't be particularly sad if it happened in real life.
Agreed. As I said, it's almost scary how logical it all sounds.
comedownstairsandsayhello
That book was great, overpopulation scares the shit out of me now though!
torreypines
The movie is coming next summer, can't wait to see people's reaction
Pixie0422
Hope it's not as botched as Davinci Code.
mediumsizedtittycommittee
Well, I know what book I'm reading next. Thanks!
CaptainMinnette
Is if weird that I predicted the virus would do that really quickly? Kinda wasn't that great of a book for me for that reason. :/ oh well
Catfactory
Not *that* much sense. Overpopulation is a popular worry, like Y2K or 2012. Birth rates tend to decline as longevity increases.
It is not really comparable to those two, as overpopulation and overconsumption of resources IS a pretty serious worry. The last couple of+
Many industrialized countries have birthrates lower than sustainable. There aren't too many people - it's lifestyles that are unsustainable.
Overconsumption is a serious worry, but it's not strictly correlated with population. Sustainable development isn't the same as fewer people
It isn't necessarily correlated, but it can be. As the population of countries like China, South Africa, Brazil and others get higher levels
China+India to not want to be developed. See what kind of response you get.
for the near future. To change that we'd need radical changes in culture and technology, but just try asking the 2.6 billion people of
of resource consumption per capita on level with that of developed countries, with their massive populations, things are looking pretty grim
zxms
Actually...Bill Gates has argued that vaccines lead to better health in third world countries which drops the birth rate. Because 1/2
demiandub
Healthier people also lead to less orphants,healthier workforce =>greater wealth => reduced childbirth rates
aShogunNamedMarcus
Steve Jobs argued how unfortunate it was for kids in third word countries to have their midlife crisis and puberty at the same time
OrcSkinSuit
Yeah then he employed them so they'd have jobs at least
quantumpacket
And then he made sure they wouldn't die. Him = 1 World population = 0
Mauvai
True... eventually. But there's a lag between the two, in which there is a population boom
jsktrogdor
That's been a known thing for decades. Bill Gates didnt argue it, he just told you about it.
drob1974
He also argued that if they do a really good job on things like vaccines it would quell our supposed overpopulation problem. See Ted Talk.
That pretty much lines up with the 5+ year old comment you just replied to, yes.
Mmmmkay.
Only problem is that the biggest killer is indoor pollution due to cooking with fires, vaccines can't prevent that
LogicalPeanut
Demographic Transition Model. Look it up.
HalloweenAintTillManana
Ya but I want lower populations in first world countries.
fufuwewe
pretty sure they don't have children because they want them... its called no protection
aburnpoth
Actually they have so many children because the death rate is so high and the more they have some will survive to work for the family
Americans in the 1800's didn't have protection and there wasn't a population explosion
yaix
It's not "Bill Gates has argued"! There is actual research into this. Birth rates drop when a society becomes richer and healthier.
ratfinkfuck
look billgates is hella rich so he must know what he's talkin about
benbergstein
Hans Rosling has done lots of work on infant mortality/fertility rates/population growth: http://www.ted.com/speakers/hans_rosling
nwawr
Are toasters who get stolen by danquans dad 2/2
thegrammargestapo
It's a fucking joke. Stop commenting on it as if it were making a legitimate point.
pointlesssteel
It is true that higher standards of life = fewer children as far as I know o:
But then 1 million people a year wouldn't die due to reusing needles
I've shared that link, sometimes with Tinyurl, dozens of times and no one has ever upvoted or commented on it before XD I think people1/2
2- just like bitching about people who dont like vaccines and/or needles and dont care about doing anything to solve problems with vaccines.
Lemmesmash
I think that may correlate with efforts to empower women through education, therefore giving them power over their reproductive cycles.
HateWinslet
For real. Go back 4 generations in my family tree and the women are giving birth nearly every year. No thx.
fencerman
It all goes together: the best birth control is economic development, the best economic development is educating men and women.
healthier children = fewer "attempts" required to have a kid that makes it into adulthood. Not sure how well the theory holds up IRL but 2/3
BerwynBrewyn
IOW, forced injections for population control. You know who else...
Eowyneb
It holds up. In countries where the health care system has gone up the birthrate has gone down. If your baby live no more trys for babys
Ireallydonthaveanyideawhattonamemyself
I read statistics somewhere how birthrates stopped dropping over the years while mortality rates decreased.
bochikiniki
it doesn't hold at all. Giving women higher education and jobs does
punnsylvania
I had a bio professor who said that was why people had so many kids in the 19th century and before, so I'll believe it.
meowneko
It sounds good in theory but I think it would take a few generations to take effect. Big families have become part of their culture.
mwmillertime
Drpurrpurrpurr
Healthier people are more economically stable, and higher economic classes have lower birth rates.
isthatsmoothjazz
Go back to 19th Century UK, people had lots of kids due to high infant mortality rates. Now European countries have dwindling populations
Berethian
It's more about education than vaccination. An educated population tends to have fewer children.
RandomImgurian
Yeah that's pretty much what happened in the western world too.
VodkaReindeer
Is there science on this? Richer people have fewer kids and vaccines, so maybe it's the money that's lowering the number of "attempts".
fonzei
Busy working, no time for kids
baronridiculous
It's hard to un-conflate the data. Richer, more vacs and higher education go together, hard to tell what's causing lower birth rates.
Ombleo
Or maybe fewer kids lead to being richer? Remember guys, correlation does not imply causation. Nice thought though.
anubisfike
Having lots of kids is not why poor nations are poor. Nice thought though.
Imaybegotthis
This does work, but there is a ~30ish year gap for the culture to change where they have like 5 kids, but none die. So brief superpopulation
Wealth means you have fewer kids because there's no need to have kids. If you're poor and live in a poor nation kids mean future security.
nurseirony
Maybe more education means understanding on birth control....fewer kids.
ChrisPrattsTinyNipples
Poor people have lots of kids because fucking is free and makes people happy. This is a worldwide fact.
TheCoinFlip
no it's not.
Poor people have lots of kids because they are poor, not because they have more sex than wealthier people. 2/2
thecolonels
It's been hypothesized that this is a biological imperative to maximize survival of our species in harsh conditions.
Imonlydoingthisforthefoodporn
And having surviving kids leads to less fucking. Trust me on this.
KnasKalas
And condoms be expensive
STpatricksLILbitch
Fun fact. A hooker in India costs less than a condom. Source: read that shit somewhere
That's not why they have lots of kids. It's because of security. The more kids you have the likelier it is that someone takes care of you. 1
InnocentValley
That's not only in poor places. It is a general fact worldwide.
It holds the most true for poor people. In the west we have pensions, subsidised healthcare etc. We don't need help from our kids, as much.
ehhhTINA
Plus there's a cultural belief in many developing countries that more children = higher social status.
ILieForPoints
Have lots of kids. Because one of those kids might make it big in Hollywood. Then who's paying the bills? Hollywood kid.
this has lead to Gates being misquoted by anti-vac morons about vaccines reducing the population
RoomTemperatureCoffee
That sounds like Gates making up bs on the fly to support his point. I'm pretty sure letting disease run rampant would slow growth more.
YourDailyKayli
So you've studied it then? Or is it just your gut feeling?
LouiseWenn
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies#t-4911
Felman
We need to lose god in order to save ourselves. All this time we thought we needed religion to save us. Guess we had it backwards
TresusIbor
We need to lose idiots in order to save ourselves. God isn't the problem. It's the people that claim to be doing his work that are.
ConstipatedUnicorn
The reason the birth rate is high is due to the fact that most of the children die at a young age. I think you'd still have roughly the..1/2
..same amount of children who make it to adulthood because, even though less children are being born, there's a lower infant mortality rate.
wam3483
That's interesting, I didn't know any of that.
SlothlsMySpiritAnimaI
Theoretically, this is true. Children are considered to be inferior goods i.e. Better standarts of living = less children. But 1/2
It is pretty much impossible to predict the future reliably... 2/2
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodRussianSerialKiller
Human Geography at work
jacijo
This is legit. There's a lot of evidence that says developed countries population growth plateaus after a certain point.
RIPFuturama
And then they drop (most developed countries, look it up) then then they plummet (japan).
PoeKneeTa
Would that plateau by 1.7 billion people in China's case? Or 1.3 billion for India?
LessThanHumbleScott
Everyone insults the anti-vaccine people and here I am afraid of needles.
ProfessorFlora
in a similar situation myself. really ought to get it, but herd immunity probably has you covered--that's supposed to help sick/old but yea.
CPolofVancouver
There's a difference between being afraid of needles & refusing to recognize the success of vaccines
KidGokuOmega
That's something completely different. +1 for Plot Twist
HaughtyHottieWithHotTea
I just slept through the free flu vaccination clinic at my college. Feeln' pretty foolish
xDownSetx
I am horribly afraid of needles too, but I toughed it though every vaccine shot. I've yet to have blood taken though, I'm 28. Noooooooooope
MornieAlantie
When I joined the army. They needed a vial of my blood. I was panicking so hard that I nearly passed out until they got the smelling salts.
SkittleE
I've only gotten my blood taken once because I'm young, but I'm weirdly fascinated with blood, so I liked it. Besides the ouchie, I mean.
hoofbeatsandsnowflakes
I'm horribly afraid of needles and have needed a lot of blood taken. I'm 21 and I cry every time. Also for every shot. It's embaressing
The theory holds up quite well IRL as one of the major reasons they have so many children is due to high mortality rate.
faiora
Well, also because more kids means more people to carry water home and go work and make money to feed the family.
themintycrab
Hello and welcome to Ireland, former home of subsidence farming and of the ridiculously large family.
parrest
I thought one of the major reasons they have so many children is because they can't stop fucking and don't use contraception.
That as well as the fact that they want to be taken care of when they get old.
MagpieChristine
If you need 2 kids to take care of you in your old age, and only need to give birth twice to get that, population would go down.
IAmTheRealNervozaur
Everybody wants to be taken care of when they're old, not just people in 3rd world countries.
The only possible way for many people around the world to secure their wellbeing in the future is to have as many kids as possible 2/2
The point is that poor nations lack the same welfare we are privileged to have in the west and other developed regions. 1/2
MisterM069
....shit, you got me.
NotThatNickClegg
I say we start killing kids.
ihaveaplansocunningyoucouldputatailonitandcallitaweasel
*flu shots fired*
Nas160
ImSynnical
I didn't know someone else posted it before me, I just saw it on explosm.net and thought you would like it. since vaccines are controversial
Cheesecakecrush
Population wouldn't be an issue if we'd get interstellar space travel already you slow ass scientists
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
This comic has aged like a fine wine
Clitastrophe
http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_kendall_demo_a_needle_free_vaccine_patch_that_s_safer_and_way_cheaper
ballbagmaguire
Cyanide and Happiness. Putting in the man-hours to study the science of what you need.
Toolazyforclever
Boats and hos.
dragonraven13
Gotta have me
MrGubbmintMan
Ah, this hits different from 2021.
rriverhawk
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mass-sterilization-exercise-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-u
DJWolfy
Better yet let's stop paying for old people's health care and take all of their will money :D
Slots
Take warning labels off too.
SwampPaladin
The labels are not to keep you from dying or getting hurt, but to stop the company from getting sued.
AmArschdieRaeuber
True
Steelflight
All's I'm sayin' is n'aam sayin', n'am sayin'?
PattiMichelle
Well, except that your kids unvaccinated kill my kids....
BruisinBAnthony
Hopefully
BramPoel
REPOST
pikmints
unless the actual cyanide and happiness website is reposting their own stuff, this is new. This is today's comic.
BramPoel
i have seen it in usersub before
Rosisen
I first read it as vacations instead of vaccinations.
uninquisitor
the world is not overpopulated. CITIES are overpopulated. there is a difference.
Bent0916
This. Gettin real tired of people with no knowledge of economics or sociology saying we're overpopulated when half our food is thrown out.
Bent0916
Not to mention how much free space we have, how much tech we've yet to exploit, improvements in all of the above areas, etc.
Syng42
That 'free space' is called nature and we have already taken too much of it away from animals. We need stop having so many damn kids.
girlfiend
Yes, and the large population of the cities is becoming too much for the global food supply. Doesn't matter where they are. There's too many
KaiserFredVIII
With the rapid increase in socioeconomical status of people in underdeveloped countries, resources are increasingly strained. If the world+
KaiserFredVIII
isn't overpopulated already(protip: it is), it will be very soon.
KaiserFredVIII
An article from May 2013 published in the PRSB talks about the subject, and Collapse, by Jared Diamond has great discussion on the subject.
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
Malthusians, being wrong since 1798, they never take into account new technology and the fact that richer people have fewer kids
KaiserFredVIII
Relying on New Technologyâ„¢ to save our asses is kinda dangerous. Malthusian collapses have happened multiple times in systems where people+
KaiserFredVIII
it is a limited amount of resources available, that is being increasingly depleted all around the world.
KaiserFredVIII
overused their resources and couldn't replace them well enough. And richer people also consume more, MUCH more. The problem isnt population+
goodjobmyfellowman
Thanks, Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey
Solkanarmy
if only there were a vaccine against being fucking stupid
jcarn
If only there were a vaccine against vaccine circle jerk posts on imgur
Dispari
Wouldn't work, stupid people avoid vaccines.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Cyanide.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
(hah)
Felixohg
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Funeralopolis
Most countries that get vaccinated are not overly populated. Only that area of China and the surrounding areas contribute to over population
convictedmelon
Fair enough..
qaaaaa
Do we really need to repost Cyanide and Happiness comics the day they are released?
TitansAllTheWayDown
does it matter? its funy and noones seen it yet unless youve been to the site...
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
How else would people get free internet points except by plagiarism
Nalianna
Yes, yes we do.
purpleseadragons
For his reason, that's a valid point
PoorlyContrivedUsername
https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lye4d8xP271qg2vwko1_500.gif
WowSuchDoge
Why is it in black and white ? GO AWAY TUMBLR
PoorlyContrivedUsername
Anything in black and white is art. So, it's art.
ICannotDecideOnAUsername
*Takes dick pick* *Opens photoshop* Alright, time to make some art
WowSuchDoge
Why isn't there an inspirational quote on it if it's art then ?
PoorlyContrivedUsername
I think overpopulation is pretty inspirational. Like, look how far we've come. Lots of people had sex and now we're too many. Beautiful.
Ozzythezombi
I'm totally agree with this gif. Seriously , we're so many that we are destroying the planet and all that's live on it ( even us).
ChimingIn
Interstellar was pretty good.
Ozzythezombi
I didn't see it :/ The last episode of "Planet of the apes", is the best exemple i have but also the more extrem.
Ozzythezombi
Arhem correction , "The road" is the best exemple of the destruction of the planet by us . ( Sorry Al Gore )
PoorlyContrivedUsername
I'm sure there's a sentence in there somewhere
Ozzythezombi
I have a bad english, sorry :x But it's getting better is guess.
PoorlyContrivedUsername
Hey, it's better than my...any other language
Ozzythezombi
Yeah sure (even if that's kind of sad )... don't try french or i will have the opportunity to get my revenge :D
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
I agree too, but how can we stop overpopulation without suffering and/or dictatorship level laws?
Ozzythezombi
Hum,i don't thinks we have to critic laws in the first place in this situation.It's more about mentality, that's why plague is one solution.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
You can't kill people and you can't really tell them they can't have kids
Aimanfire
Good job on changing the subject
ZeroDarkJoe
Over - population is a myth
LegendaryMoonlightSculptor
Over minus population is a myth, yes.
ImgurMontoya
Yes, it is. Overcrowding is a problem, but not overpopulation. The two are very different. (Cities are crowded. The Earth is not.)
Glyd
This. We have the resources to adequately feed and house everyone, but greed and selfishness exists sadly.
ImgurMontoya
Exactly. We have a resource mismanagement problem, not an overpopulation problem.
Empire385
Lazy people also exist sadly.
KingOfTheInterwebz
Sounds like Inferno, by Dan Brown. Go read it. It makes an awful lot of sense.
Barackrifle
GREAT read! It's sitting across the room from me now, might re open it. :)
flapperfemmefatale
i really liked that book. and i wouldn't be particularly sad if it happened in real life.
KingOfTheInterwebz
Agreed. As I said, it's almost scary how logical it all sounds.
comedownstairsandsayhello
That book was great, overpopulation scares the shit out of me now though!
torreypines
The movie is coming next summer, can't wait to see people's reaction
Pixie0422
Hope it's not as botched as Davinci Code.
mediumsizedtittycommittee
Well, I know what book I'm reading next. Thanks!
CaptainMinnette
Is if weird that I predicted the virus would do that really quickly? Kinda wasn't that great of a book for me for that reason. :/ oh well
Catfactory
Not *that* much sense. Overpopulation is a popular worry, like Y2K or 2012. Birth rates tend to decline as longevity increases.
KaiserFredVIII
It is not really comparable to those two, as overpopulation and overconsumption of resources IS a pretty serious worry. The last couple of+
Catfactory
Many industrialized countries have birthrates lower than sustainable. There aren't too many people - it's lifestyles that are unsustainable.
Catfactory
Overconsumption is a serious worry, but it's not strictly correlated with population. Sustainable development isn't the same as fewer people
KaiserFredVIII
It isn't necessarily correlated, but it can be. As the population of countries like China, South Africa, Brazil and others get higher levels
KaiserFredVIII
China+India to not want to be developed. See what kind of response you get.
KaiserFredVIII
for the near future. To change that we'd need radical changes in culture and technology, but just try asking the 2.6 billion people of
KaiserFredVIII
of resource consumption per capita on level with that of developed countries, with their massive populations, things are looking pretty grim
zxms
Actually...Bill Gates has argued that vaccines lead to better health in third world countries which drops the birth rate. Because 1/2
demiandub
Healthier people also lead to less orphants,healthier workforce =>greater wealth => reduced childbirth rates
aShogunNamedMarcus
Steve Jobs argued how unfortunate it was for kids in third word countries to have their midlife crisis and puberty at the same time
OrcSkinSuit
Yeah then he employed them so they'd have jobs at least
quantumpacket
And then he made sure they wouldn't die. Him = 1 World population = 0
Mauvai
True... eventually. But there's a lag between the two, in which there is a population boom
jsktrogdor
That's been a known thing for decades. Bill Gates didnt argue it, he just told you about it.
drob1974
He also argued that if they do a really good job on things like vaccines it would quell our supposed overpopulation problem. See Ted Talk.
zxms
That pretty much lines up with the 5+ year old comment you just replied to, yes.
drob1974
Mmmmkay.
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
Only problem is that the biggest killer is indoor pollution due to cooking with fires, vaccines can't prevent that
LogicalPeanut
Demographic Transition Model. Look it up.
HalloweenAintTillManana
Ya but I want lower populations in first world countries.
fufuwewe
pretty sure they don't have children because they want them... its called no protection
aburnpoth
Actually they have so many children because the death rate is so high and the more they have some will survive to work for the family
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
Americans in the 1800's didn't have protection and there wasn't a population explosion
yaix
It's not "Bill Gates has argued"! There is actual research into this. Birth rates drop when a society becomes richer and healthier.
ratfinkfuck
look billgates is hella rich so he must know what he's talkin about
benbergstein
Hans Rosling has done lots of work on infant mortality/fertility rates/population growth: http://www.ted.com/speakers/hans_rosling
nwawr
Are toasters who get stolen by danquans dad 2/2
thegrammargestapo
It's a fucking joke. Stop commenting on it as if it were making a legitimate point.
pointlesssteel
It is true that higher standards of life = fewer children as far as I know o:
Clitastrophe
http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_kendall_demo_a_needle_free_vaccine_patch_that_s_safer_and_way_cheaper
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
But then 1 million people a year wouldn't die due to reusing needles
Clitastrophe
I've shared that link, sometimes with Tinyurl, dozens of times and no one has ever upvoted or commented on it before XD I think people1/2
Clitastrophe
2- just like bitching about people who dont like vaccines and/or needles and dont care about doing anything to solve problems with vaccines.
Lemmesmash
I think that may correlate with efforts to empower women through education, therefore giving them power over their reproductive cycles.
HateWinslet
For real. Go back 4 generations in my family tree and the women are giving birth nearly every year. No thx.
fencerman
It all goes together: the best birth control is economic development, the best economic development is educating men and women.
zxms
healthier children = fewer "attempts" required to have a kid that makes it into adulthood. Not sure how well the theory holds up IRL but 2/3
BerwynBrewyn
IOW, forced injections for population control. You know who else...
Eowyneb
It holds up. In countries where the health care system has gone up the birthrate has gone down. If your baby live no more trys for babys
Ireallydonthaveanyideawhattonamemyself
I read statistics somewhere how birthrates stopped dropping over the years while mortality rates decreased.
bochikiniki
it doesn't hold at all. Giving women higher education and jobs does
punnsylvania
I had a bio professor who said that was why people had so many kids in the 19th century and before, so I'll believe it.
meowneko
It sounds good in theory but I think it would take a few generations to take effect. Big families have become part of their culture.
mwmillertime
Drpurrpurrpurr
Healthier people are more economically stable, and higher economic classes have lower birth rates.
isthatsmoothjazz
Go back to 19th Century UK, people had lots of kids due to high infant mortality rates. Now European countries have dwindling populations
Berethian
It's more about education than vaccination. An educated population tends to have fewer children.
RandomImgurian
Yeah that's pretty much what happened in the western world too.
VodkaReindeer
Is there science on this? Richer people have fewer kids and vaccines, so maybe it's the money that's lowering the number of "attempts".
fonzei
Busy working, no time for kids
baronridiculous
It's hard to un-conflate the data. Richer, more vacs and higher education go together, hard to tell what's causing lower birth rates.
Ombleo
Or maybe fewer kids lead to being richer? Remember guys, correlation does not imply causation. Nice thought though.
anubisfike
Having lots of kids is not why poor nations are poor. Nice thought though.
Imaybegotthis
This does work, but there is a ~30ish year gap for the culture to change where they have like 5 kids, but none die. So brief superpopulation
anubisfike
Wealth means you have fewer kids because there's no need to have kids. If you're poor and live in a poor nation kids mean future security.
nurseirony
Maybe more education means understanding on birth control....fewer kids.
ChrisPrattsTinyNipples
Poor people have lots of kids because fucking is free and makes people happy. This is a worldwide fact.
TheCoinFlip
no it's not.
anubisfike
Poor people have lots of kids because they are poor, not because they have more sex than wealthier people. 2/2
thecolonels
It's been hypothesized that this is a biological imperative to maximize survival of our species in harsh conditions.
Imonlydoingthisforthefoodporn
And having surviving kids leads to less fucking. Trust me on this.
KnasKalas
And condoms be expensive
STpatricksLILbitch
Fun fact. A hooker in India costs less than a condom. Source: read that shit somewhere
anubisfike
That's not why they have lots of kids. It's because of security. The more kids you have the likelier it is that someone takes care of you. 1
InnocentValley
That's not only in poor places. It is a general fact worldwide.
anubisfike
It holds the most true for poor people. In the west we have pensions, subsidised healthcare etc. We don't need help from our kids, as much.
ehhhTINA
Plus there's a cultural belief in many developing countries that more children = higher social status.
ILieForPoints
Have lots of kids. Because one of those kids might make it big in Hollywood. Then who's paying the bills? Hollywood kid.
zxms
this has lead to Gates being misquoted by anti-vac morons about vaccines reducing the population
RoomTemperatureCoffee
That sounds like Gates making up bs on the fly to support his point. I'm pretty sure letting disease run rampant would slow growth more.
YourDailyKayli
So you've studied it then? Or is it just your gut feeling?
LouiseWenn
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies#t-4911
Felman
We need to lose god in order to save ourselves. All this time we thought we needed religion to save us. Guess we had it backwards
TresusIbor
We need to lose idiots in order to save ourselves. God isn't the problem. It's the people that claim to be doing his work that are.
ConstipatedUnicorn
The reason the birth rate is high is due to the fact that most of the children die at a young age. I think you'd still have roughly the..1/2
ConstipatedUnicorn
..same amount of children who make it to adulthood because, even though less children are being born, there's a lower infant mortality rate.
wam3483
That's interesting, I didn't know any of that.
SlothlsMySpiritAnimaI
Theoretically, this is true. Children are considered to be inferior goods i.e. Better standarts of living = less children. But 1/2
SlothlsMySpiritAnimaI
It is pretty much impossible to predict the future reliably... 2/2
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodRussianSerialKiller
Human Geography at work
jacijo
This is legit. There's a lot of evidence that says developed countries population growth plateaus after a certain point.
RIPFuturama
And then they drop (most developed countries, look it up) then then they plummet (japan).
PoeKneeTa
Would that plateau by 1.7 billion people in China's case? Or 1.3 billion for India?
LessThanHumbleScott
Everyone insults the anti-vaccine people and here I am afraid of needles.
ProfessorFlora
in a similar situation myself. really ought to get it, but herd immunity probably has you covered--that's supposed to help sick/old but yea.
CPolofVancouver
There's a difference between being afraid of needles & refusing to recognize the success of vaccines
KidGokuOmega
That's something completely different. +1 for Plot Twist
HaughtyHottieWithHotTea
I just slept through the free flu vaccination clinic at my college. Feeln' pretty foolish
xDownSetx
I am horribly afraid of needles too, but I toughed it though every vaccine shot. I've yet to have blood taken though, I'm 28. Noooooooooope
MornieAlantie
When I joined the army. They needed a vial of my blood. I was panicking so hard that I nearly passed out until they got the smelling salts.
SkittleE
I've only gotten my blood taken once because I'm young, but I'm weirdly fascinated with blood, so I liked it. Besides the ouchie, I mean.
hoofbeatsandsnowflakes
I'm horribly afraid of needles and have needed a lot of blood taken. I'm 21 and I cry every time. Also for every shot. It's embaressing
TheCoinFlip
The theory holds up quite well IRL as one of the major reasons they have so many children is due to high mortality rate.
faiora
Well, also because more kids means more people to carry water home and go work and make money to feed the family.
themintycrab
Hello and welcome to Ireland, former home of subsidence farming and of the ridiculously large family.
parrest
I thought one of the major reasons they have so many children is because they can't stop fucking and don't use contraception.
anubisfike
That as well as the fact that they want to be taken care of when they get old.
MagpieChristine
If you need 2 kids to take care of you in your old age, and only need to give birth twice to get that, population would go down.
IAmTheRealNervozaur
Everybody wants to be taken care of when they're old, not just people in 3rd world countries.
anubisfike
The only possible way for many people around the world to secure their wellbeing in the future is to have as many kids as possible 2/2
anubisfike
The point is that poor nations lack the same welfare we are privileged to have in the west and other developed regions. 1/2