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"My thoughts on R vee Wade are all we need to do to prevent people getting an abortion is tell young men that if they contribute to an unwanted pregnancy they must then submit to an involuntary vasectomy so they don't contribute to another unwanted pregnancy."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5U6tTVvE34
Going to read this immediately.
The real story of The United States is not democracy, it is Race.
Per Jane, this book will "shiver your timbers".
Jane's reading list: https://janeelliott.com/bibliography
NlGHTW0LF
Seeing her wearing a shirt with her own quote reminds me of this
Copperbrat
BuriedSquirrelNuts
Do they still use the "boys will be boys" defense?
WeMistbornsNeedNotMakeSense
Racial, sexual, social ... prejudices are just commitment to ignorance in general
Entitlement
I want a shirt with the same quote
Iaimtomisbehave
#3 https://newsbeezer.com/as-the-latino-vote-accelerates-texas-republicans-are-calling-for-further-restrictions/
iusedtodream
More attention needs to be on this book
iusedtodream
Liberals. Gays. Ladies. Buy a fucking gun. Today. Learn to use it. Learn to clean it and load it and fire it. Today.
McPuffinStuff
"But I don't wanna evolve" - racist cunts everywhere
fevel
How about tagging this post as political. I come to Imgur to relax and escape the misery of the world. Not to get more US dumpster fire shit
iusedtodream
I'm sorry the loss of my human rights has interrupted your entertainment.
myfirstandlastpostever
Or the fact that if it can happen in the States, we’re all at risk. It emboldens others with similar feeble ideas
fevel
Yes, it is tragic. But to be constantly bombarded with this is not good for mental health.All I ask is that you tag so people can opt not 1/
fevel
To have to be confronted with this American centric missery ever damn time we open Imgur. Is that too much to ask?
picaro616
post your own “feel good” content, or maybe just ignore anything that has political vibes. you can almost always tell from the thumbnail.
fevel
Everyone has to be bombarded with your opinion even at the cost of mental health, because you are too self righteous to use a tag? Got it.
picaro616
“bombarded” “self righteous” … ok
CosplayComet
I've never understood why mandatory sterilization isn't part and parcel to a rape conviction...
Volpe42
Its probably off the books due to "cruel and unusual punishment" or some bs like that
enybi
Because wrongful convictions are more common than you'd think and have a significant element of racial bias.
Mmmmmagic
Because they can't even think of sacrificing a man's bodily autonomy.... that would be taking away their rights ?
Raoin
I would if I could trust the American justice system
GadenKerensky
Same reason people are against the death penalty; innocent people get screwed by flaws in the system.
SuckerOfFun
There are definitely some circumstances where it seems like a fitting punishment, but not all. There's always a bit of a gray area.
Cavalrysword
Look at the number of rapists in elected office. And those are just the ones that got caught.
CosplayComet
How about we make that a disqualifying event? You know, to avoid having shitty scumbags in office?
hamdensoedefraslayer
I beleove ot has to do with it not preventing repeat offenses i.e. it's not their dick that makes them commit rape, but their brain.
vakler
American? Yeah we've done/do that. Chemical castration is still sentenced. As a rape survivor, I do not condone forced bodily mutilation.
vakler
And my rapist brutally mutilated me.
thetickcannothaveaspoontoobig
AndyS1234
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#United_States
AndyS1234
TL;DR: Because eugenics is awful. American forced sterilization programs directly inspired the rhetoric of the nazis and resulted 1/2
AndyS1234
In thousands of "unfit" people (disproportionately poor black and brown women) undergoing dangerous unnecessary medical procedures 2/3
AndyS1234
Without their consent or in many cases with out their knowledge. 3/3
thevortexmaster
I gotta assume it's because some people are innocent? Kinda like the argument against the death penalty
polarbearbaby
Not even close. Vasectomies are reversible.
only90skidswillgetthis
Vasectomies aren't going to keep people from assaulting. You mean castration, which is not reversible
AxolotlInATopHat
They're possibly reversible. It's more likely successful than a tubal ligation reversal but far from guaranteed & more invasive 2 reconnect
lljkstonefish
Sometimes, maybe, if you're lucky.
thevortexmaster
True but it loses effectiveness. After 20 years it is less than 10% effective.
Gaelwyn
I think you mean castration. But it’s because we believe that people have a right to bodily autonomy, even horrible people like rapists.
CosplayComet
....the Supreme Court doesn't seem to agree with you
Gaelwyn
Maybe. Or maybe that was a really far fetched interpretation of the 14th amendment. Even pro-abortion justices have said so, like RBG.
enybi
Do we want to treat them as an example of how to act though?
CosplayComet
An example of bad faith acting, maybe.
animatronicChristmasChickens
Forced sterilization is a hair’s breadth from eugenics. You don’t fight right wing injustice with right wing rhetoric
iusedtodream
Vasectomy is a 15 minute reversible procedure. Pregnancy is not. Why are only women being held totally responsible, and punished?
JohnSatclaire
If you think anyone is discussing something as minimally destructive as vasectomy in this context, you're adorably clueless. Think neutering
Othernate
It's not always reversible, no. And who would reverse it? Would you need a court order? The whole thing is fucked.
Othernate
I agree rape is awful, and so are unwanted pregnancies - but you don't fight fascism with eugenics my dude.
7chickens123000
I wrote similar to this, that we should be working as well to prevent rape and incest, not focus only on abortion that is invasive and
7chickens123000
Not without emotional pain. Everyone jumped down my throat!
iusedtodream
You fucking stupid men. When it's your balls you care, but a woman's entire life is less than spit. Well then, to hell with you all.
animatronicChristmasChickens
I got a vasectomy 20 years ago. I get that violence feels good and what’s good for the goose, etc. but this is not good for goose or gander
animatronicChristmasChickens
You know shit. I had a friend almost die bc her doctor would not recommend an abortion for a fetus _he_ told her was not viable. Get bent
lljkstonefish
For the last fucking time, it's SOMETIMES reversible, MAYBE. And the longer you leave it, the lower the chances are.
iusedtodream
Golly, sure don't want to have something forced on your body, huh? That's wild. Fight with women for our bodily autonomy, too.
lljkstonefish
Sure. I fight with women all the time. /s
iusedtodream
Yeah, I caught that vibe.
NekoKamiGuru
Gee wizz , it never was and never will be about bodily autonomy for you . you dropped the mask on this one and you can never go back.
NekoKamiGuru
The chances of a vasectomy being reversed depend on several factors .
NekoKamiGuru
1: there is a specific method of performing a vasectomy to increase its chances of being reversible.
NekoKamiGuru
And an old style vasectomy has a MUCH lower chance of reversibility, and some surgeons only do the older operation for familiarity reasons.
NekoKamiGuru
2: The length of time between the vasectomy and the reversal also effects the success chance.