How is this not a movie?

Jul 21, 2017 5:44 PM

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During the Second World War, 2nd Lt. Charlie Brown was a B-17 Flying Fortress pilot with the 379th based out of Bomber Group at RAF Kimbolton, England.

His B-17F was called “Ye Olde Pub” and it's first mission was a bombing raid over Bremen which targeted an aircraft factory in December 1943. Having dropped their payload, Ye Olde Pub was badly damaged by some of Bremen's 250 flak guns. Having lost one of their four engines, with another badly damaged, one of the flak gun destroyed the planes plexiglass nose, exposing the crew to an air temperature of -60 C. Ye Olde Pub thus lost it's place in the formation and was attacked by a dozen fighters for over 10 minutes until they moved onto other targets. All but 3 of their machine guns (from the 11 available) froze due to the low temperatures. They were sitting ducks.

Most of the crew were wounded: the tail gunner, had been decapitated by a direct hit from a cannon shell. Brown was wounded in his right shoulder. The morphine syrettes onboard froze, complicating first aid efforts by the crew, while the radio was destroyed and the bomber's exterior heavily damaged. The onboard compass was damaged and they were flying deeper over enemy territory instead of heading home to Kimbolton.

After flying over an enemy airfield, a pilot named Franz Stigler, was ordered to take off and shoot down the B-17F. When he got near the B-17, he could not believe his eyes. In his words, he “had never seen a plane in such a bad state”. The tail and rear section was severely damaged. He could see the remains of the tail gunner.

The nose was smashed and there were bullet holes everywhere. Stigler upon seeing the plane recalled the words of his commanding officer during his time in North Africa. “If I ever see or hear of you shooting at a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself."

Despite having ammunition, Franz flew to the side of the B-17, protecting them from spotters and flak guns on the ground. Stigler looked at Brown who was scared stiff and struggling to control his damaged and bloodstained plane. Aware that they had no idea where they were going, Franz signaled at Brown to turn 180 degrees. Franz escorted the stricken plane to and slightly over the North Sea towards England. He then saluted Brown and veered away, back to base.

When Franz landed he told his C.O. that the plane had been shot down over the sea, and never told the truth to anybody. Brown managed to fly 250 mi (400 km) across the North Sea and land his plane at RAF Seething and gave a full report. The crew were ordered to not mention it. It would humanise the enemy if word got around.

In 1986, the then-retired Lieutenant Colonel Brown was asked to speak at a combat pilot reunion event called a "Gathering of the Eagles" at the Air Command and Staff College at Maxwell AFB, Alabama. Someone asked him if he had any memorable missions during World War II; Brown thought for a minute and recalled the story of Stigler's escort and salute. Afterwards, Brown decided he should try to find the unknown German pilot.

After four years of searching vainly for U.S. Army Air Forces, U.S. Air Force and West German Air Force records that might shed some light on who the other pilot was, Brown hadn't come up with much. He then wrote a letter to a combat pilot association newsletter. A few months later, Brown received a letter from Stigler, who was now, a business man, living in Canada. "I was the one", it said. When they spoke on the phone, Stigler described his plane, the escort and salute confirming everything Brown needed to hear to know he was the German fighter pilot involved in the incident.

They, and the surviving crew of Ye Olde Pub, met in the USA at a 379th Bomber Group reunion in 1990, together with 25 people who were alive - all because Franz never fired his guns that day.

Brown and Stigler became close friends and remained so until their deaths within several months of each other in 2008.

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NCIS had an episode that featured a side story that was loosely based on this. Cool.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It so should be movie and if done right a great one!!!! This goes to show there is still hope for the human race and we aren't animals.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Here's a good interview piece on them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRKQvmT3Xhs

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This has been hanging up in my Dad's house my whole life. It reminds me to have honor and treat even my enemies with respect.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

In due time. Hollywood seems to be running out of ideas anyways.

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 1

Hollywood hasn't had a fresh idea in decades. Best films are from overseas.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Because this story isn't as good as Transformers 17.

9 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 0

Probs as good as Dunkirk

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"No one cares about your dumb war plane story, grandpa! Call me when it has alien robots or something."

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This is a truly amazing story.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

War is hell, but even in the darkest of times, light sometimes gets through

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

It is a book. "A Higher Call"

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Sabaton created a song about this story known as 'No Bullets Fly' https://youtu.be/x02g4-XT_VU

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

One of my favorite bands! I always upvote Sabaton!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

"A higher call" is the best book I've read in a while. And yes, there is a movie being planned based on it

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Soldat was pretty good. About a young nazi rising in the ranks to general staff. Thinkin about killing hitler then gets captured by ruskies

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I agree with the title.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That was an amazing story.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Tl;dr but I'm pretty sure there already is a movie about Charlie Brown

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Read the book. It's called "A Higher Call", and it's really, really good.

9 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 0

It is amazing. Movie adaptation is supposedly in the works

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Are they going to do the thing they do with EVERY war movie and spend 3/4 of the time fucking around with a romance sub-plot?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Just downloaded it. Thanks for the recommendation, sir.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Awesome suggestion, thank you.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I happen to be reading this right now :)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wow talk about a bad day

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Think he's got a fish on the poll..

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Fish always bite when you're not looking

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

either that or someone off to the side is sticking a fishing rod in his ear.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

People seem to forget that many soldiers in the axis were just that soldiers, not Nazis, not an evil boogyman to be feared, but an equally

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 3

Terrified foot soldier not unlike on the allied side.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

You have a Sabaton song about it. No bullets fly - https://youtu.be/S9Xj7q-j9Ow

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I knew someone would post it!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

What an amazing read

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Netflix would do it.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

why is ben affleck on the top right

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Actually thought he looks more like jason sudeikis

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I saw Humphrey Bogart slowly turning into Affleck every time I looked.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you for seeing that too

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

...yep, I'm crying. War is shit.

9 years ago | Likes 185 Dislikes 5

Damn onion ninjas!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

It's actually really fun when you start getting shot at but to be honest most of the time is boring as fuck so yeah it is shit.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Also chopping onions.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Same, holy shit, that was amazing.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Me too. I'm in a crowded dining room sopping up my stupid face.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

The biggest part about this is that they didn't report it because it would humanize the enemy. All ads for the war were racist, lewd, 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

In boot camp you are taught to dehumanize the enemy. How else can you teach 18 yo to fight . I don't think praising the Luftwaffe works .

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Truth

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Absolutely untrue, while being horrible to the other countries. People didn't have internet before, many believed the propaganda. Fueled war

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

No Bullets Fly by Sabaton commemorates this - well worth a listen

9 years ago | Likes 190 Dislikes 1

.............

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

https://youtu.be/efxs-Hp0QEw

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Dot: listen to this awkwardlee

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A lot by Sabaton is worth listening to. Ghost Division, Primo Victoria, White Death, they're brilliant pieces.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Leaving my dot so I may return ->.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

...if you like Sabaton.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sabaton is just the best

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm so glad someone mentioned this. Absolutely amazing.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

. <~~ for later use

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My 26 year old son keeps recommending Sabaton. Gonna have to give them a shot...

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Sabaton is great for bringing light too almost forgotten heroes from wars long passed. Inmate 4859 is a great example

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Cheeky. But seriously, DO IT

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Sabaton did many songs like this. Look up the circumstances behind "Hearts of Iron" About the 9th and 12th armies of the Wermacht.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Or The Last Stand with the swiss guards protecting the pope

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Or White Death about the legendary Finnish sniper.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Or "through Hell and back" about Audie Murphy's battle with what came to be known as PTSD and drug abuse.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

or a personal favorite of mine soldier of three armie about Laurie Allen Torni i.e Larry Thorn

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

That's amazing, thank you for posting that. Imgur's been very interesting for me this morning, but this one gave me goosebumps as well.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Make it happen write a script and see who bites.

9 years ago | Likes 262 Dislikes 0

There is the whole issue of war crimes associated with the bombing of Germany that makes this tricky (VIII bombers part took in OP Gomorrah)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's a good idea, Charlie Brown

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I mean it's an interesting quick read but there's just not enough story for a movie

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's already a book which was an awesome read. Adaption maybe?

9 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

Yeah. That's the ticket.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Sorry if I missed it, but what is the title of the book?

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

A higher call

9 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Thanks. Absolutely reading this!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Make it so

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Maybe this is a stupid question but if their defense was literally freezing, why not drop altitude as a last resort?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Fighters. At high altitude in thin air they can't manoeuvre well, putting heavy bombers on a more equal footing.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Fuel to return to England might have been an issue, a lower altitude would've burned more fuel up.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Anti air guns

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