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Making Nuclear Bombs at Los Alamos in the 1940's was top secret, highly dangerous and safety procedures were almost unknown. One plutonium–gallium alloy bomb core, known as the "Demon Core", was responsible for the deaths of at least two scientists and probably many more.
21 August 1945, Harry Daghlian accidently dropped a tungsten carbide brick on the core releasing a large dose of neutron radiation, he died 24 days later.
21 May 1946, Louis Slotin was doing an experiment where the two halves of the core are brought close together to start a very weak short lived chain reaction that can provide valuable data. Unfortunately the screwdriver he used to keep them apart slipped and the halves slammed together causing a "prompt critical" reaction and a visible burst of hard radiation. He immediately grabbed it and threw it on the floor but everyone in the surrounding area, including five scientists and the guard outside, were heavily irradiated.
The guard and three of scientists were released form hospital a few days later and the others were in hospital for several weeks.
Louis Slotin lasted 9 agonizing days with severe radiation burns before dying.
The core that had been intended for a third nuclear strike on Japan was never used and later melted down.
Havengrad
Closest thing in to a truly cursed artifact of the modern era, a haunted sword? Nah, how about mouth that kills people if it closes.
malfunctionm1ke
Rip
cannon4747
Demon core: when scientific curiosity meets extreme stupidity, and nuclear physics decides to play deadly peek-a-boo with unsuspecting researchers.
ZDan
Best presentation of this story by far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ayVMf6Xmc
nsaspyingonuranus
They did not know ... so yeah, fucked around and found out. RIP
pre1989
The early era of nuke was scary as hell .See all the shit Rocky flats did and the many other fuel plant in terms of wast and worker health
redtails2649
They gonna be ok?
sfbiker
They knew it was dangerous, but were also in a bit of a race to be first.
thundercactus
The first? Slotin died in 1946! The bombs had been dropped and Japan had already surrendered!
gummyloaf
I know a slug sphere when I see it. That’s where the demon core got it’s power.
PitoVerdeDeHULK
And that’s also how they discovered Nuclear clean energy
thundercactus
nuclear reactors came 4 years earlier, and they're *ridiculously* clean if you look at the GWh produced vs the damage done.
jayhaJapeLord
He's buried in my home city of Winnipeg Canada. I'm told he's buried in a lead coffin because his body was so irradiated.
ph4i1
Oh yeah, build the radioactive device right at junk level. Fuck you and your descendants lol.
Dracinon
Theres an SCP based off of this
landran
FYI making a demon core out of a black hole is how you make a literal doomsday device
spinthedial
Should have used a philips instead of a flathead.
joechristo
minant
I like the Stargate SG-1 episode based on this, too: 5x21, Meridian, the first episode to show Kelowna and Jonas Quinn.
jpparkenbone
Kyle hill has a fantastic series call half-life histories that includes the demon core. I would recommend those videos to anyone.
gotcl2
Holy shit I knew this guy frOm my hometown life
razorgirl1066
This happened in Idaho in the 1960s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1
pre1989
That is one of the more intersting non weapons ops ..Esp the question on was it murder etc
FlyingTigerRose
Holy fucking shit!
CambreathdTheSecound
That guy was an idiot. He was repeatedly warned not to use a screwdriver. They had proper wedges for that experiment, but "nah it's fine"
Malak224
Yup but it’s a good showcase of how dangerous radioactive objects can be. Even scientists early on were careless with it.
CambreathdTheSecound
True they where, but this guy new better. He just committed suicide with extra steps. For a look in to danger and the oldtimers additude:
CambreathdTheSecound
I highly recommend https://www.amazon.com/Ignition-Informal-History-Liquid-Propellants-ebook/dp/B076838QS2
CambreathdTheSecound
lol new=knew
nyarlathotep777
The accidents actually make the core more powerful. Each time it becomes more radioactive, since the experiments involved enrich it.
thundercactus
So when they say "enriched" is it a mix of Pu239 and U238? If criticality experiments turn more U238 into Pu239, then does it also...
thundercactus
reduce the amount of Pu239 in the core?
nyarlathotep777
I’m not sure tbh, but I believe enriching Pu creates less stable isotopes of Pu, and enriching uranium makes isotopes like U-238 and U-239
thundercactus
Uranium ore consists of U238 and just 0.7% U235. Enriched uranium is just isolating the U235 to higher concentration. Whereas Pu239...
thundercactus
(nuclear bomb plutonium) is created by irradiating U238 with neutrons in a breeder reactor, then chemically removing it from the sample.
ADegenFromUpcountry
Oh man, there are much worse stories than Slotin’s. You should read some of the IAEA reports on industrial accidents involving radiation ??
pre1989
Oh yeah that is a rabbit hole to fall into for sure ... Esp the ones with the lost sources that people though was magic cause they glowed
dissonantcognition
Oh yeah. The face paint.
captainhappen
Read "atomic Accidents" by Mahaffey. Holy shit...
ningela126
No hold at my library for the audiobook. I'll start it tomorrow, thanks for the recommendation!
captainhappen
It's a little dry in the beginning but once you get to the early cold war buckle the fuck up
EntropyReign
I support switching from fossils fuels to nuclear where it makes sense. I'm usually reminded of this though:
hirosjimma
What is this text? What is it called? Where can I learn more? I really like the way it's written.
EntropyReign
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-time_nuclear_waste_warning_messages text developed for far future warnings. Interesting challenge to do
thundercactus
I know people always focus on disasters, and where to store nuclear waste. But interestingly enough, people don't draw comparisons at all.
thundercactus
In terms of GWh produced vs environmental damage, nuclear is ridiculously clean. And in terms of waste storage, the argument is that the...
thundercactus
waste is dangerous for "thousands to millions of years". But compare that to some types of industrial waste;
thundercactus
beryllium is the most biotoxic element on the planet, and it's toxic *FOREVER*. Where do we dispose of beryllium?
Alvatore
The rainforest, probably.
ParaBellumOutfitters
Context: People trying to figure out how to warn other (future) civilizations of radioactive waste. The oppressive architecture is cool too
davemUnderscoreOr
We ignored every warning from every ancient civilization and happily dug their sacred ground. I expect nothing different from the future.
garyoldmansdiary
Richard Feynman became depressed after his work there. It seemed everything was pointless with nuclear destruction inevitably coming soon.
khora
He later became a famous critic of rubber rings.
ObiHaiv
If you've never read "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman," I highly recommend it.
PoppinLochNessHopster
I'd say the creation of those weapons did more for peace than anything, no one dares attack each other openly anymore out of fear of MAD.
garyoldmansdiary
Formalized automated response systems were only put in place much, much later than Hiroshima and political thinking about war adapted at /
garyoldmansdiary
about the same pace. For a long time, the thinking was that nuclear war might be winnable for whoever struck hard and first.
frischcode
Dramatized. https://youtu.be/AQ0P7R9CfCY
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NordicusMaximus
Such a good movie. Lots of star power in it. It even has Dr. Cox from Scrubs as the base doctor.
confanity
This series is also a dramatization! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZIjbX1gj88
six2midnight
I've never seen this. In putting that on the list.
WhiskeyTangoFedora
You will not be disappointed, its a really good movie.
DreadPierateRoberts
Going to watch this week
Redbeard54
Same here
clanhannan
Brutal scene
LasciviousHedgehog
Slotin was warned repeatedly that he was being stupid and dangerous but ignored his bosses. They didnt have their dosimetry badges on.
sandpirate
I'm surprised LANL hasn't leveled Los Alamos yet. The amount of stupid dangerous crap that has happened there is crazy
LupusLilium
Have they even gotten their permits or licenses or whatever back yet? Last I heard they were on some sort of restriction for shit safety.
thundercactus
Died of his own arrogance. What an asshole. Fermi should have knocked him out for his own safety.
oilgod
Yeah, accounts of this "accident" reference his repeated carelessness and disregard for standard safety precautions...
funnyguy10
He fucked around and found out
olatoClickMonster
But he wrote it down so he stienzed!1!
JiffyGee
I think they also called this “tickling the dragons tail”.
pseudopseudonym
I've heard that too.
HoneybadgersDoCare
I recommend looking up Kyle Hill's "Half-Life Histories" on YouTube for more info on this & similar events https://youtu.be/aFlromB6SnU
PantsOfGlory
Kyle Hill does a great job researching and presenting.
icookfoodandfightfire
glad someone posted it, every video in that series is amazing
secretsoysauce
Such a good and eye opening series. The human factor is the most dangerous of any endeavour.
Masonrig
This should be the top comment. His telling of the story of this core is absolutely fascinating.
NottSure0
1After the screw driver slipped everyone started to run put of the room. Slotin made everyone stay where they were and mark the spot on...
NottSure0
2 the floor in chalk to better record the dose they received in relation to the core. Scary shit man. Fuck you I quit.
Malak224
To be fair the damage was already done after he tossed the core.
QtheM
Early chemists essentially bathed in benzene and toluene while handling it, leading to many premature cancer deaths. And remember Mrs. Curie
marthafarquar
Worked on steamships in the 80's and we would dump buckets of Hydrazine into the feed tank with boots and a boiler suit as our only PPE
OneGuyWithSixGuns
Is this Curie any relation to the NPC Companion Curie in Fallout 4?
HoneyBiscuit
Please Google Marie Curie. Yes Curie in Fallout 4 is named after her.
SuperLuigiBrothers
Jesus Christ...
OneGuyWithSixGuns
Hey man, I was just curie-ous. Sorry for not getting the memo. Geez.
SuperLuigiBrothers
Didn't get the memo about one of the greatest scientists to have ever lived... ???
OneGuyWithSixGuns
Im reading about her now, it's very intriguing. But I looked at your other comments, and now i don't feel bad, anymore. Thanks, Sweety!
IWouldLikeToGetOffThisRideNowPlease
Way to really dig into that pun under pressure, +1 for you friend
OGServersNET
Marie Sklodowska Curie*
Weblord
Thank you. While there was probably no ill intention, calling her "Mrs" Curie may be seen as undermining her importance to science.
Yellowdart49
I'll remember her and the Alamo fondly
itsthevoiceman
You can forget the Alamo, tho.
Yellowdart49
But, they always tell me to remember it
itsthevoiceman
Meh
graehall
That or remember it was actually about Texans fighting Mexicans so they could own people. Because Texas was & continues to be awful.
TheCriticsWereConciseItOnlyTookFourLines
Especially after they moved it
PaulHurley
Early? We were bathing in benzene in the 80s still and still use toluene freely.
iforgotmypw
Apparently we still bathe in benzene, recently found in most sun tan lotions, from another ingredients breakdown
WhistlePig
As someone in the environment consulting world, this makes my skin crawl. Those are two chemicals we look for often. They're very bad
PaulHurley
I see it mostly in oil refinery labs. And it's mostly down a sink to a collection sump. So not as bad as I made it sound
Kratoffel
I mean, atleast it smells nice, unlike methanol
torturnight
Come on. Methanol smells better than toluene.
JustitiaetFortitudo
Hard disagree.
Kratoffel
Your Taste in solvents disgusts me
itsthevoiceman
What're your thoughts on water?
YourIceCreamMan
Sound ON: (Perhaps one of the most chilling pieces of video ever filmed- Oppenheimer post-test)
Barasu
Also Oppenheimer was in his mid thirties
TheMaXX37
I can hear this without unmuting. Listened to the audio of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm5fCxXnK7Y probably 2 dozen times at least.
YourIceCreamMan
OK. Watched the whole doc- Wow! So much to say about it; but what struck me most is the haunted looks in the faces of the scientists. Thanks
TheMaXX37
Genuinely glad you enjoyed it! :)
YourIceCreamMan
"There is a weight that few men in history have had to bear". Watched the 1st 2 minutes- Will return for the rest when time allows. Thanks!
TheMaXX37
Glad I could aim you towards a great doc. I enjoy it from start to end. I haven't fact checked it but my gut says its mostly true. I hope.