"Quietly" no he was very proud of announcing it actually. Anything to make him seem slimy and deceitful. They'll try to spin him fulfilling campaign promises as trickery.
A quick estimate of the number of elementary school students is 900,000 (AI estimate for what it is worth). That $700 million is about $778 of additional funding per child. To cover the education of a child for one year. Teacher salaries, school infrastructure, supplies, etc. A gross oversimplification to be sure but seems like such a small amount for education...
I told my mom that he opened a pet pantry so low-income families could get free food for their pets. She asked where he was getting the money. I said taxpayers. And she was pissed about that.
They even included a picture of a black man clapping to drive home the racism. Everyone caught reading the Post in public should be pointed at and mocked.
They call educations budgets bloated but has no issue with spending $1.5 trillion every year on the military terrorist state. That the problem right there.
Public school budgets getting an increase = bloated and mismanaged by local government. Military budgets getting an increase to pursue more R&D contracts = absolutely necessary for the current threat environment. I mean, what even is a 'bloated' PUBLIC school budget?
Imgur comment sections are not representative of the population at large. I promise you plenty are reading this dogshit Murdoch rag and taking it as gospel.
"The New York Post is an American conservative[3] daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City." "In 1976, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp bought the Post"
So, like, when does the sky start falling down? It was explained to me these feats were impossible. Can a man really just ignore the oligarchs, and serve the people?
You know what’s telling? How the conservative talking point of can’t keep throwing money to solve problems only works on things they don’t like. I have yet to hear them say to stop throwing money at policing since more money doesn’t solve problems.
The only bloat ive ever seen is really with the Admin, and honestly its not fully their fault imo. Its the government grant system that they use. Admins only goal is to get as much money as possible for schools, gov wants students to hit preset metrics(attendance, test scores, etc) they list out in order to get said grants. So admin makes arbitrary systems designed to maximize the chance they can get them at the cost of educating students in ways that actually help them learn. Shits fucked, yo.
The Post is definitely coming at it from the wrong angle, but on average the US spends more $ per pupil than other countries with much worse results. But a lot of that budget goes to bloated administrative salaries and sports programs and not actual education. IDK why my high school needed six vice principals to act like security guards with degrees and not back up teachers.
Damn. How many students did your high school have? Mine (in Ontario, so a bit different situation) had 3 VPs for ~2k students, and students were assigned to a VP from entrance to graduation.
Oh wow, that's a seriously topheavy org. Very american to add more admin to improve outcomes, and not add more workers (i.e. teachers). I think they just assigned us based on alphabetical blocks.
Meh, some of them are. But that’s often due to bloated administrative staffing. Spend per pupil is pretty high in this country and there’s little correlation between that spend and results.
A word like 'bloated' is a philosophical judgement, an opinion. The only inherently bloated budgets are those of for profit industries that comp executive private jet travel. Unless the superintendent has a private jet the school pays for their budget isn't bloated. That being said it is very possible administrative staff salaries could indeed be bloated compared to teachers and other ops staff.
Eeeehhhhh... NYC spends more per student on public school than anywhere else in the US, on top of having more students than anywhere else in the US. It *is* an enormous budget, and it *is* concerning that the results aren’t better after spending all of that money. It’s not insane to think there could be bloat in there. What’s insane is cutting it without knowing what the bloat is, or how to actually get good results. Get the results first, optimize efficiency after.
(Also, while it’s not *insane* to think there might be bloat in there, that’s far from a guarantee. It’s not as though anywhere else is doing better with less. It might just be that education needs to cost vastly more than people think; in fact, I strongly suspect that’s more of it than “bloat.” But we won’t know that until we figure out what actually works, which we haven’t yet.)
Schools should be palaces. Competition for the best teachers should be fierce. And teachers should be paid like professional athletes under free agency.
My government teacher years ago pointed out that education is usually in the top 3 line items for budget, and so people who don't understand statistics like to use that as their "proof".
In a way they are. Most school districts are very top heavy. That is, they have a lot of highly paid administrators that never set foot in a school. The front lines are anemic.
good chance the nypd has a surplus of money that can be redirected to something that will actually help reduce crime. I'm sure they'd have no objection to something like that (/s on this part and it makes me sad). its truly nice to see an elected politician not merely trying to make good on their promises, but shit stomping everything obstacle in their way of making things better for everyone... everyone other than those who profit off of suffering and exploitation.
Well, I can tell from this comment you've never been to a high school in the South. If you say "defund schools" out loud you'll hear cheers most likely. If you say "defund high school football" you'll probably hear the sound of weapons being loaded or the carnal growl of a flabby-jowled throat.
Its certainly more pronounced at the college level, but a lot of public high schools spend full teachers salaries on coaches who only have to teach two gym classes or something, i remember having to fundraise for new band uniforms to replace the 10yo ones we had while the (losing) football program got a new stadium, i think they just fundraised for a better scoreboard than the school would buy em.
Maybe using that money to hire someone to teach six math classes instead of one gym class and one health class would be putting that money to better educational use?
Maverickaura
"Quietly" no he was very proud of announcing it actually. Anything to make him seem slimy and deceitful. They'll try to spin him fulfilling campaign promises as trickery.
MioTaalas
Do you know, how much Finland, with less than 6 million people spends on public school?
Tad under 9 billion euro (10.2 billion dollars)
Do you know how many people live in the New York CITY?
8.8 million.
How much do they spend on public school in New York?
38 billion dollars a year...
Yeas, this one time I'm wondering why is it so horridly expensive in comparison.
I do wonder if more money will actually solve the issues that they have... :/
boxak
A quick estimate of the number of elementary school students is 900,000 (AI estimate for what it is worth). That $700 million is about $778 of additional funding per child. To cover the education of a child for one year. Teacher salaries, school infrastructure, supplies, etc. A gross oversimplification to be sure but seems like such a small amount for education...
Aranon1183
I told my mom that he opened a pet pantry so low-income families could get free food for their pets. She asked where he was getting the money. I said taxpayers. And she was pissed about that.
dynamojoe
They even included a picture of a black man clapping to drive home the racism.
Everyone caught reading the Post in public should be pointed at and mocked.
SixSixxtySix
To be fair, that is actually Kamar Samuels, Chancellor of NYC Public Schools. https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/leadership/nycps-leadership-and-offices/chancellor
Cthulhuonabike
He is the only one genuinely trying to do the job
CelestialSea
Bet they've never called a police budget bloated.
ansiichan
so still less than that cunt in chief spawn just lost gambling on bitcoin, fun
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Education is just the most important public shit that will ever happen to your kids, no sense in wasting money on it.
Osiricus
They call educations budgets bloated but has no issue with spending $1.5 trillion every year on the military terrorist state. That the problem right there.
SkinnerTBD
The cops are going to abduct his wife at some point, you know. Probably around the time people start talking about their bloated budget.
datphone777365
Man good thing they dont report the nypd budget....
VitaminJay
5th largest military budget *in the world*.
datphone777365
Exactly. 5TH
wherethehorriblethingsare
Hey Post, what would you describe our military budget as?
magicrhombus
Anemic.
freakdiablo
"Too lean for the current global threats."
Otomasoteraph
He could revive a dead body and it still will be bad
maybeamonster
"liberal necromancer continues to flout the proper order of god's creation"
doctorId
The NYP is just mad because if people become more educated their readership will plummet.
organiclife3
Public school budgets getting an increase = bloated and mismanaged by local government. Military budgets getting an increase to pursue more R&D contracts = absolutely necessary for the current threat environment. I mean, what even is a 'bloated' PUBLIC school budget?
LangleyofMappe
I wonder whether the New York Post ever considers the billions sent to 'Israel' is bloated.
Magjee
They might call it goated
friarRat
He is definitively a public servant.
Filanwizard
Maybe someone should ask the NYP to look at the national defense budget before talking about bloat in a school budget. 1tn dollars now that is bloat.
FellaWithUmbrella
Meanwhile it’s ok that Trump wants to add $500 billion to Pentagon’s already bloated budget, that they can’t even pass an audition of.
Arenlor
That's 739.38 per child. https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.php?instid=7889678368
stonebreaker6
I wouldn’t even wipe my ass with the NY Post, much less read it.
Onetonmanwithaspoon
The NY Post isn't even fit to lie my cat's litter box. Why are people taking anything they say seriously is rather stupid.
slopwizard
Line the box with that garbage and the cat would start hissing at black people for no reason
richardstinks
Everyone is dunking on the NYP here in the comments. Nobody is taking them seriously.
InfocalypseRising
Imgur comment sections are not representative of the population at large. I promise you plenty are reading this dogshit Murdoch rag and taking it as gospel.
Clockworkdancerobot
Sadly other people, MAGA supporters do.
Frodyne
Just so we are all on the same page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
"The New York Post is an American conservative[3] daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City."
"In 1976, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp bought the Post"
Frodyne
So, yes... Garbage owned by one of the worst people ever.
Eyeetsass
So, like, when does the sky start falling down? It was explained to me these feats were impossible. Can a man really just ignore the oligarchs, and serve the people?
veronicablood
since his name came up
kriswinters
"bloated". I would expect nothing less from the NYP.
LanceSackless
“The police are underfunded” The NYP also, probably
halo00to14
You know what’s telling? How the conservative talking point of can’t keep throwing money to solve problems only works on things they don’t like. I have yet to hear them say to stop throwing money at policing since more money doesn’t solve problems.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Compared to the 10 Billion war 10 Billion ice 10 Billion Trump 10 Billion congress pay 10 Billion Elen 10 Billion corp accounts, it is too much.
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
"I bet those children even have PENCILS"
Feralkyn
[under my breath] what the FUCK
michiyl
"Why aren't these pupils stacked like crates? They can still breathe, this is so inefficient!"
Luvlyquants
& desks? :)
Targe0
I bet they aren't even going hungry at school.
SpikesGuns
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Yjk1MXB6YmlyY2czMnV5b2hndnc5NnEzczA2ejI0d2N6YWM0bWFlNyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/NBBpZ1MFgP0u4UlcXT/200w.webp
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
"Helping CHILDREN?????? *RAAAAAAGE*" - Republicans
Hexidimentional
god forbid the americans educate their children
TheMightyMollusk
*GOP forbid
breakingcode
It DOES wreck a lot of people's plans if we do, but sadly they've had a 50+ year head start on DESTROYING US education.
karashu2000
My sister in law went to Christian schools through high-school and you would really think god does forbid teaching the children with what she knows.
SavageDrums
Poor* Americans
certainlynotaserialkiller
the GOP spent the last 50 years stopping that very thing.
MrHappyDude
Around the same time things like brown vs board of education happened. That's where the push for private schools started
arrbos
but it's so much CHEAPER to let other countries educate theirs, and then import them as immigrants and treat them like shit.
SpartaWolf117
US public school budgets are many things... 'bloated' is not a word I would use to describe them.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
and it’s that sort of shameful commitment to facts, this gross adherence to basic reality, that means you’ll *never* work for the New York Post.
MrImmaculate
It's a New York Post headline... they're a right wing, yellow press of the most egregious sort.
admiralawesome4213
The only bloat ive ever seen is really with the Admin, and honestly its not fully their fault imo. Its the government grant system that they use. Admins only goal is to get as much money as possible for schools, gov wants students to hit preset metrics(attendance, test scores, etc) they list out in order to get said grants. So admin makes arbitrary systems designed to maximize the chance they can get them at the cost of educating students in ways that actually help them learn. Shits fucked, yo.
Fuckimgurcunts
Starving to DEATH
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
Conservative Murdoch Family Controlled News Outlet Makes Conservative Headline Against Public Schools
Shocking
cyno01
The Post is definitely coming at it from the wrong angle, but on average the US spends more $ per pupil than other countries with much worse results. But a lot of that budget goes to bloated administrative salaries and sports programs and not actual education. IDK why my high school needed six vice principals to act like security guards with degrees and not back up teachers.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Damn. How many students did your high school have? Mine (in Ontario, so a bit different situation) had 3 VPs for ~2k students, and students were assigned to a VP from entrance to graduation.
cyno01
1 frosh, 1 soph, 2x jr, 2x sr VPs for ~1500 total.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Oh wow, that's a seriously topheavy org. Very american to add more admin to improve outcomes, and not add more workers (i.e. teachers). I think they just assigned us based on alphabetical blocks.
Joecoin2
I can assure you that indeed, aome public school budgets are bloated.
brownribbon
Meh, some of them are. But that’s often due to bloated administrative staffing. Spend per pupil is pretty high in this country and there’s little correlation between that spend and results.
OneMoreLime
A word like 'bloated' is a philosophical judgement, an opinion. The only inherently bloated budgets are those of for profit industries that comp executive private jet travel. Unless the superintendent has a private jet the school pays for their budget isn't bloated. That being said it is very possible administrative staff salaries could indeed be bloated compared to teachers and other ops staff.
lozeldatkm
Maybe in the sense that a beached, decaying whale carcass could be considered 'bloated.'
dragoonwraith
Eeeehhhhh... NYC spends more per student on public school than anywhere else in the US, on top of having more students than anywhere else in the US. It *is* an enormous budget, and it *is* concerning that the results aren’t better after spending all of that money. It’s not insane to think there could be bloat in there. What’s insane is cutting it without knowing what the bloat is, or how to actually get good results. Get the results first, optimize efficiency after.
dragoonwraith
(Also, while it’s not *insane* to think there might be bloat in there, that’s far from a guarantee. It’s not as though anywhere else is doing better with less. It might just be that education needs to cost vastly more than people think; in fact, I strongly suspect that’s more of it than “bloat.” But we won’t know that until we figure out what actually works, which we haven’t yet.)
azgrak1
Schools should be palaces. Competition for the best teachers should be fierce. And teachers should be paid like professional athletes under free agency.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Bloated is used by the greedy Republicans who don't want to use taxes on people but to buy raping kids.
rdmage11
My government teacher years ago pointed out that education is usually in the top 3 line items for budget, and so people who don't understand statistics like to use that as their "proof".
robpaschal
In a way they are. Most school districts are very top heavy. That is, they have a lot of highly paid administrators that never set foot in a school. The front lines are anemic.
Renza0
good chance the nypd has a surplus of money that can be redirected to something that will actually help reduce crime. I'm sure they'd have no objection to something like that (/s on this part and it makes me sad). its truly nice to see an elected politician not merely trying to make good on their promises, but shit stomping everything obstacle in their way of making things better for everyone... everyone other than those who profit off of suffering and exploitation.
thisistheusernamethatneverendss
Um excuse me, I hear they are paying all their employees a living wage PLUS benefits and a pension. It’s not sustainable! /s
pdarkfred
The people by and LARGE, yes, the school systems? Nah, only the athletic departments are.
SomethingAlmostClever
Are you stupid?
pgdave
Colleges generally aren't funded the same as public schools, and public schools rarely have huge athletic department budgets.
Affray
1)Our reality is going to get so dark once the greedy people realise they could fund public school lunches and athletic programs in order to
Affray
2)pre-train and supplement their future high school/college sports stars/money bags. They could because empathy, but they would have by now.
pgdave
Man, yeah - it would be terrible for kids to be given athletic opportunities and food. The horrors...
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Well, I can tell from this comment you've never been to a high school in the South. If you say "defund schools" out loud you'll hear cheers most likely. If you say "defund high school football" you'll probably hear the sound of weapons being loaded or the carnal growl of a flabby-jowled throat.
pgdave
The athletics might have disproportionate amounts of the budget but they don't have particularly large budgets.
cyno01
https://www.texaspolicy.com/these-are-texas-top-10-most-expensive-high-school-football-stadiums/
cyno01
Its certainly more pronounced at the college level, but a lot of public high schools spend full teachers salaries on coaches who only have to teach two gym classes or something, i remember having to fundraise for new band uniforms to replace the 10yo ones we had while the (losing) football program got a new stadium, i think they just fundraised for a better scoreboard than the school would buy em.
pgdave
Oh no, a full teacher's salary! Like, 90k a year?! How will the town ever afford that wildly bloated expense?!
cyno01
Maybe using that money to hire someone to teach six math classes instead of one gym class and one health class would be putting that money to better educational use?