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I was a Tank Commander
I recently did a post clearing up some questions people had about Tanks and Armored Warfare. A lot of people wanted to know about gunnery, so here we are.
First, a Lesson on Parallax
If you look at the M1-Series tank, you may notice something. The main gun (cannon) and the Gunner's Primary Sights (rectangular box just above the cannon in the picture) don't point in the same direction. This causes something called parallax, where what the eye sees and where the cannon is pointed don't add up.
To compensate for this, the tank uses an incredibly complex computer, and a little device called the MRS.
What is an MRS?
The Muzzle Reference Sensor is a small tube that is used to calibrate where the sights look compared to the cannon. As a tank crew, we can fight with our without our computers (think the movie Fury).
The MRS allows us to quickly calibrate against parallax, shoot straight, and destroy the enemy faster than they can find us.
Oh, and yes. That is a radioactive symbol you see there. It's literally the least dangerous thing about working in a tank.
Bore Evacuators
Watch the gif. Notice something? After the initial explosion (blast envelope), you can see a secondary puff of white gas. That is from the Bore Evacuator, the little hump in the middle of the cannon.
Bore Evacuators help prevent flareback, or gasses pumping back into the turret after a round is fired. It's not deadly, but it can be startling and sometimes dangerous.
Essentially, the initial explosion carries the majority of gas out of the cannon, but a little is trapped in the evacuator. Then, the vacuum effect of the blast pulls that gas out through the cannon. This in turn pulls any leftover debris from the cartridge out of the tube.
The Almighty SABOT
The APFSDS-T (Armor Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarded Sabot-Tracer) is the all-purpose anti-tank round. It is often called the "Silver Bullet," because it will absolutely ruin the enemy's day.
What is a SABOT?
The "SABOT" refers to the petal around the actual projectile, which is a Depleted Uranium (DU) spike. The petals keep the round snug in the cannon so a proper ballistic solution can be made.
How does that work?
The petals fly off as soon as the round leaves the cannon, letting the lawn dart fly off in search of new friends. This guy flights VERY straight and level, and can hit targets well over 2 miles away.
What good is a lawn dart?
In a few words? Kinetic energy.
The SABOT travels at an insane speed (the newer darts break the sound barrier a few times over). That kind of impact tends to get physics all pissed off.
But is it effective against vehicles?
The kinetic energy generates so much heat, it melts the skin of the vehicle and uses that molten metal as shrapnel. A SABOT can kill just about any target.
Effective?
During the Thunder Run, when 1st Armor drove to Baghdad during Gulf War 2, Iraqi armor hid behind berms of sand. Iraq is very flat in large areas, and these berms stood out like sore thumbs. An enterprising tank commander did a "recon by fire," (shoot at something and see what happens), and a second later the turret of a hidden T-72 flew into the air.
The SABOT went through the sand berm, through the tank, blew up the ammo rack, and ripped the top off the enemy tank.
Feel the HEAT
High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds. These are the grandaddies of the ammunition ready rack. Simple (sort of), and made to work every time, these are no longer the primary armor defeating round. Instead, they are used on trucks, armored transports, buildings, and masses up groups of people.
How do they work?
Unlike the SABOT, these are explosive rounds. The "head" of the round is the pressure-sensitive warhead. When it comes in contact with its target, it activates a simple-but-effective method of destruction.
The power of Copper
A small copper plug is super heated on impact. Little known fact: melted copper can melt through a ton of things, and very quickly. The melted copper plug burns through armor, leaving a hole.
Then an explosion fills that hole.
And against a tank?
Yes, but only the older models. T-90's need a little more love than a HEAT can provide.
The Canister Round
The Canister, or CAN round, is a shotgun shell for tanks. It is used to disrupt enemy troop movement. At 300-500m, it is...very effective.
Zombies be gone
It can be used against soft-skinned vehicles, but mostly it is for use against troops on the ground. So zombies. This is how we defeat zombies.
More Questions?
Yes, there are more ammunition types that I am leaving off, mostly because I don't know if they are unclassified yet and I'm not taking that risk.
If you do have more questions, ask me anything.
hoffbox
"Disrupt enemy troop movement" - that's one way to put it...
Steakunit
My grunts know the silver bullet as something else entirely different. And man do they fear it heh.
mikeymike
my dad was a 19k for 20 years. i knew all this stuff already :P no but seriously thanks for posting. armor is awesome.
Mack1986
Fun fact. T80s were more vulnerable to ammo cook off (and losing their turret) then 72s because the ammo storage was above the tracks.
ManKorn
That is fun. +1
grandfalloon
Well, shit. I was all set to go pick a fight with the US Army. I GUESS I'll find some other way to spend my Sunday afternoon.
ManKorn
Can I recommend some light reading? Www.whenthestarsfade.com
MrFancyPanzer
I loves me some armored warfare.
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MrFancyPanzer
Neat.
gunrar
Did the math with average weights and velocities and the round hits with 5705 kJ of force or 5705000 Newton meters.
ManKorn
Wooooo! Science!
bigggblack
I was a tanker at Lewis for four years. Great post!
ManKorn
https://imgur.com/sdTtqDB
sinnfinn86
i’m asking for friend , how should he protect his tanks from these explosive’s. thanks DT
megatrep
not 'zombies,' people who get complete fucked to shreds just when they thought their day couldnt get any worse
Kasai
Do modern tanks use or have an equivalent to HE, and/or HESH rounds?
ManKorn
Yes. OpSec though.
Kasai
Well that makes sense, thanks for the answer.
PersonenschadenImGleisbett
TIL recon by fire ..heh
ManKorn
It's the best.
BrigginAllTheHate
But does it blend?
ManKorn
Depleted Uranium! Don't breath that.
JustJay2k20
Question: What's your favourite non-American tank?
ManKorn
Merkava Mark IV and the Leo 2.
eruditic
Also, flying SABOT petals can also ruin your day
ManKorn
Very true.
BetterAtAltitude
Explain? Also work stories?
LavaAxe
Flying metal debris will hurt. Also just being close to an MBT firing can be very deadly.
Buran
The metal bits that fly off the "main shot" are un-cuddly.
CaptainArminius
I'm assuming that's you with the cigar?
ManKorn
Yes indeed.
CaptainArminius
You look like you love it when a plan comes together.
ManKorn
https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnLtsaXt2sALsyc/giphy.gif
TheIncredibleMrStark
Nice, did you guys really name your tank pew pew?
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abrakadumbass
you look like a PAARNG tanker i knew. got to fill in as a loader on a couple of their company's tanks a few times. (was a 13F) super badass.
TheIncredibleMrStark
Clever. Command shot down 'anal probe' when we suggested it. Stuck with 'adrenaline rush'
RootyTootyDrunkenShooty
The "silver bullet" I know is something TOTALLY different... Ask any dehydrated/overheated marine.
ManKorn
Ask a Marine tanker if he's ever kept a few extra "silver bullets" in the cooler during gunnery.
mikeymike
"It is often called the "Silver Bullet," because it will absolutely ruin the enemy's day." that and because it's literally silver lolol
Debus
I had no idea they still use HEAT rounds, didont the explosive armor blocks kinda make that one useless?
Squossifrage
Well he does say it's used against truck and light armor, not against modern tanks.
ManKorn
Still works like a charm.
fuckPCness
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ImThePastTenseOfDraw
I will use this information about the HEAT ammunition to further advance my tanking career in arma 3. Thanks :p (i had no idea what it was)
ManKorn
A little knowledge goes a long way.
Martinez530
Up vote for arma 3
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Thanks so much @OP. I love these posts.
ManKorn
I'll work on more!
bronsonlug
Why depleted uranium?
virulentspam
Its dense, which concentrates energy, its also flammable which helps, and 1/2
virulentspam
it self forges, which means when/if it breaks when it hits, it turns into more sharp fragments that continue to penetrate. 2/2
virulentspam
Also, other countries like Germany use tungsten instead, which supposedly works just/almost as well. But the US has tons of DU around so...
ps238principal
You used to be a tank commander until you took a SABOT to the knee?
BaltimoresJandro
causality
You don't need to capitalize sabot. It's French, not an acronym.
ManKorn
Old habits. And it could be an acronym. Super Awesome Baddass Ordnance Thing.
ManKorn
I love this comment so much I want to bake it a cake.
DavidBrooker
Question: I haven't seen 'sabot' in all-caps before, even referring to sheathing around projectiles. In military use is it also an acronym?
ManKorn
Just how I've seen it in briefings before.
stoneddavyjones
Just don't steal his sweet roll.
Devkrovil
Lol +1
DontJewishYourOvenWasHotLikeMe
Just one question: Is there Wifi in your tanks? Must be hard to browse Imgur on a mobile connection in a metal shell.
ManKorn
You know what? Surprisingly good reception in there. And I have unlimited data.
ManKorn
You actually can hook up a phone to the intercom to play music.
Markieh
Serious question here.. why is a Leopard 2A4's armor not sloped at all? I mean.. easy pen..
ManKorn
You'd have to ask ze Germans.
ElConservatore
I think I read somewhere that the composite armor Leopards use doesn't work well when the rounds hit at an angle. Possibly Wikipedia.
Sirwonkawonka
I'm gonna need a banana or two for some of these pictures.
ManKorn
I know. I took these before I joined Imgur.
ColdCast
Is there some concern about firing SABOT rounds over the heads of friendly positions because of the discarding pedals? What is the protocol?
ManKorn
The petals can be deadly, so we wouldn't fire main gun overhead unless there was no other choice.
LavaAxe
To my understanding if the friendlies are close it's also very dangerous due to the pressure from the gun firing.
ManKorn
Also true. Blast injuries are no joke.