Biology exists as a spectrum due to the complexity of the genome. There is no yes/no in biology...while most nucleotide pairs are identical, there are still a large number of active protein coding pairs that can be different. Ultimately, the results will form a Normal distribution, mirroring what happens at the macro level.
Life is composed of data sets, data set outliers, AND, most importantly, their intermixing or intermingling. In "Biology," as you said, there is no yes/no, there are just possibilities and their expressions or presentations. -_^
Even in Physics, you have calculation and measurement errors to adjust for. Yields in inorganic chemistry will not hit 100%, and in organic chem, yeah, some yields will be 50%.
They didn't. Pretend the genetics are based on dice rolls of 5 20 sided dice. You *could* roll the dice repeatedly, recording all possible combinations and eventually get close to the actual number of combinations, but the smarter thing to do would be multiply the variables to reach the total. It may be that they don't know the exact number of variables, but they know enough to say that it's in the range of 20k combinations.
As the old guy in the room, I find that this puts things in a very clear perspective. Now I can answer when someone asks how many genders are there, I can tell them more than 20k. I needed this.
No one who has passed a high school biology class should believe there are only 2 sexes, and if it's not biologically true then it would follow that it is also not culturally true.
The biological argument is a complete distraction. Biology has no bearing on how we treat each other. It is not a valid reason to tell someone they can or cannot be or do anything. Anyone who calls upon the biology of the conversation is doing so because they don't have a moral or ethical or even logical reason behind their position.
So I didn't learn about human intersex traits until well into my adulthood where it was pointed out to me by an intersex trans woman that I probably was partly androgen insensitive. They also only knew about this because they found out that they were partly androgen insensitive when blood testing for HRT. I'm not defending the bigots I'm just saying that high school biology taught US that sex was a binary and we only found out it wasn't by personally being outside the binary.
There are just 2 though! Just like there are only 2 types of elements (hydrogen and helium), and a tiny tiny percentage of exceptions. Although it does seem that the percentage of exceptions to the sex binary is higher than the elemental binary. What do I know though I am just a hydrogen based life form
There’s a pervasive perception that school is “brainwashing”, “babysitting”, and otherwise mere training to be wage slaves. Kids ignore what they’re taught, randomly guess on tests, and walk out expecting their own clever street smarts to carry them through life.
Then we get posts here about how “tHeY dOn’T tEaCh ThIs In ScHoOlS!” by grown adults who are amazed to hear that history actually happened.
It’s no surprise that kids ignored biology class, too.
That's Conservative propaganda. Millennials are the most educated generation in history, and Gen Z is set to surpass us. Yes, there are a lot of problems and gaps in how education is conducted, but by and large, each subsequent generation is better educated than the previous, which is like the whole point.
I don't know if my school ever really even covered biological sex... We did human anatomy (mostly the names of body systems and memorizing bones), facts about different plants and animals, and I know we did the Punnett Squares thing...
But I think they just kinda assumed that knowing the terms male and female was good enough and never went into detail.
IDK. I went to high school in the Deep South pre-2000 and we definitely covered it. We covered it the same year I got to dissect a shark, which is probably why I remember it.
Well you gotta remember, while much of the south was pretty backwards in those days their insanity really kicked into gear starting 9/11/2001. And I can't say for sure not knowing what school you went to but it sounds like a school with money if you were dissecting sharks. Many schools typically dissect frogs or rats, and schools lacking money (like mine) dissected nothing.
Yeah it's as if different schools cover different things and education isn't universally the same world-wide. Also damn, a shark? All we got is a frog and an eye.
LibranLuvertis
oh for crying out loud
picselator
Only we can know who we are. Some of us know so well that others might get scared. Of ballgowns or fractals.
adamlstf9
Decay exists as an extant form of life.
Roehcai
We cannot kill it in any way that matters.
elbowdeepinagoose
Man… imagine being fungi and having to scroll through the demographics forms to select your info.
Saxytimes
How I feel about my birth year
Nalianna
1854?
lifeisadadjoke
Biology exists as a spectrum due to the complexity of the genome. There is no yes/no in biology...while most nucleotide pairs are identical, there are still a large number of active protein coding pairs that can be different. Ultimately, the results will form a Normal distribution, mirroring what happens at the macro level.
ObjectivePragmatistWithHope
Life is composed of data sets, data set outliers, AND, most importantly, their intermixing or intermingling. In "Biology," as you said, there is no yes/no, there are just possibilities and their expressions or presentations. -_^
lifeisadadjoke
Even in Physics, you have calculation and measurement errors to adjust for. Yields in inorganic chemistry will not hit 100%, and in organic chem, yeah, some yields will be 50%.
SteveD31415
I really want to know how they counted the mating types of that fungus.
BIOSOIB
They didn't. Pretend the genetics are based on dice rolls of 5 20 sided dice. You *could* roll the dice repeatedly, recording all possible combinations and eventually get close to the actual number of combinations, but the smarter thing to do would be multiply the variables to reach the total. It may be that they don't know the exact number of variables, but they know enough to say that it's in the range of 20k combinations.
bloxxing
presumably banned in 'merka.
Nalianna
I believe the left image is actually David Bowie.
flounder35
Yeast biologists: We're cunts who think we're the best. *Self-fallatio nosies*
lx469
are they sure it aint 23329?
iRecommendBooks
23328 comes from combinatorics, not observation
SeenItDoneIt
As the old guy in the room, I find that this puts things in a very clear perspective. Now I can answer when someone asks how many genders are there, I can tell them more than 20k. I needed this.
ExplodingPortaPotty
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EverNotRelevant
Just wait until we open up the field of astromycology!
Leonon
Mi-go!
lifeisadadjoke
My first thought were the Mycon from Star Control. Yours is better.
RumailMaxlowBaronVonAlabasterSerenitydePeriwinkleXXIII
... What?
ThisNameIsMaybeTaken
He's saying he knows more about stars than mushrooms.
AdmiralButtStuff
No one who has passed a high school biology class should believe there are only 2 sexes, and if it's not biologically true then it would follow that it is also not culturally true.
CreativeUncommons
The biological argument is a complete distraction. Biology has no bearing on how we treat each other. It is not a valid reason to tell someone they can or cannot be or do anything. Anyone who calls upon the biology of the conversation is doing so because they don't have a moral or ethical or even logical reason behind their position.
demosteness
Pretty sure every animal’s sex conditions it’s behavior. But humans yeah because we are Gods. Come on dude, sex is a thing we can’t ignore.
demosteness
Human biology or just biology in general? I was taught human biology only implements two sexes.
bestscarface76
So I didn't learn about human intersex traits until well into my adulthood where it was pointed out to me by an intersex trans woman that I probably was partly androgen insensitive. They also only knew about this because they found out that they were partly androgen insensitive when blood testing for HRT.
I'm not defending the bigots I'm just saying that high school biology taught US that sex was a binary and we only found out it wasn't by personally being outside the binary.
KittyKlimt6
Would it, though
Forensickle
There are just 2 though! Just like there are only 2 types of elements (hydrogen and helium), and a tiny tiny percentage of exceptions.
Although it does seem that the percentage of exceptions to the sex binary is higher than the elemental binary. What do I know though I am just a hydrogen based life form
brendino87
But.....but.....hate???
Tarmaccian
People don’t pay attention in school.
There’s a pervasive perception that school is “brainwashing”, “babysitting”, and otherwise mere training to be wage slaves. Kids ignore what they’re taught, randomly guess on tests, and walk out expecting their own clever street smarts to carry them through life.
Then we get posts here about how “tHeY dOn’T tEaCh ThIs In ScHoOlS!” by grown adults who are amazed to hear that history actually happened.
It’s no surprise that kids ignored biology class, too.
joshuasplinth
I taught history to 6th graders for a long time and the WHY was critical.
AdmiralButtStuff
That's Conservative propaganda. Millennials are the most educated generation in history, and Gen Z is set to surpass us. Yes, there are a lot of problems and gaps in how education is conducted, but by and large, each subsequent generation is better educated than the previous, which is like the whole point.
Stolf
You say that. But we are on the breaking point of No Child Left Behind. Shit is looking dire, if you listen to a lot of teachers
CorvidPrime
Yeah, but reread your first sentence… Most of the people complaining about this HAVEN’T passed high school biology.
CorvidPrime
I mean, look at me… I’m a college graduate, and still referred to “your first sentence” when you only HAD a single sentence.
Makerofroads
Its still technically correct. 1 of 1 is still the first
InitHello
I typed this comment with two of my hands.
AdmiralButtStuff
I mean... it's technically correct?
CJAW
Yes, but everyone would call you a nerd if you said "the first independent clause of your sentence"
CorvidPrime
I AM a nerd… Just not a grammatically correct one.
CJAW
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1aGpmaTZwNnNra2xwZnJlZzh2NmVkcm12d3o1eWkxem1hNHVxMW91NiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/A9KfKenpqNDfa/200w.webp
Xenarion
Nope, that is exactly what I was taught in high school. Not everyone was taught the same thing as you did.
FrankRizzo55
Yeah, he's just making shit up
AdmiralButtStuff
Your high school biology class didn't go over the different ways chromosomes could combine? They only stopped at XX and XY?
bestscarface76
Pretty much yeah, except they added that down syndrome exists.
Xenarion
Pretty much, yeah. Hell, even the concept of intersex didn't come in any point in my education. I only learned about it in my mid-twenties.
Badprenup
I don't know if my school ever really even covered biological sex... We did human anatomy (mostly the names of body systems and memorizing bones), facts about different plants and animals, and I know we did the Punnett Squares thing...
But I think they just kinda assumed that knowing the terms male and female was good enough and never went into detail.
squirrelgirl86
I was in honors biology and if we covered that, I certainly don't remember it. It's been 20 years ago is possible, but it's not ringing bells.
AdmiralButtStuff
IDK. I went to high school in the Deep South pre-2000 and we definitely covered it. We covered it the same year I got to dissect a shark, which is probably why I remember it.
Badprenup
Well you gotta remember, while much of the south was pretty backwards in those days their insanity really kicked into gear starting 9/11/2001. And I can't say for sure not knowing what school you went to but it sounds like a school with money if you were dissecting sharks. Many schools typically dissect frogs or rats, and schools lacking money (like mine) dissected nothing.
Xenarion
Yeah it's as if different schools cover different things and education isn't universally the same world-wide.
Also damn, a shark? All we got is a frog and an eye.