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Saw this thread on Twitter talking about the whole thing. Found it quite revealing. Figured I'd share it here.
Link: https://twitter.com/PostCultRev/status/1428584131835748359?s=19
KoolInternetCat
Not gonna lie, that was really interesting, thank you
amyrose
A David Tennant OnlyFans ?
Bristlecone42
Hooray for actual information!
mroranges
I really recommend people read the NYT article referenced. It's an important read. IMO it's unfair to use it as a crux for the argument here
JamBarn
That’s what everyone who’s read into this says. I don’t trust Twitter at all.
Thanshin
It's also great to keep it in mind for the next few weeks, and everytime the topic is mentioned, show off superior knowledge.
KoolInternetCat
pareidoliaperson
TL;DR
Sasarious
Meh even big companies took a blow, good thing pornhub purge all their videos because I doubt they can afford the server space anymore.
atat23
Onlyfans really should have had the verifications in from the start, taking advantage while they could
dekket
They do. It's a long process too. But with MCs new rules they'd have to vet each and every new piece of content.
atat23
Ah, thanks for the info
dekket
They'd also have to watch all live streams fully, to ensure nothing illegal ever went on. Naturally, this is unfeasible.
urbanfire
As much as I hate the Christian narrative, I have cringed too many times on pornhub with videos that feel like the girl is doing it against
urbanfire
her will. As in every divisive matter, I'm expecting this to become highly political with few to none real solutions.
iNeedMoreSpaceOnMyPhoneSoiMadeThisAccount
It is a fetish to some, which only makes it all the more controversial
NomDeImguerre
Sick & tired of American conservatives. They're a bane on the entire planet.
BryanLaserEpee
Not just conservatives for this, Americans in general are still extremely uptight about sex.
Erdanya
It's honestly kind of astounding sometimes.. I'm pretty reserved in many ways, but GOD the puritanism sure still runs strong over there.
ddd0
...but created the most sexualized media landscape on the globe at the same time... like... wtf?
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
So, conservative.
whatcouldbemoredelicious
I will sit here and talk about all and any sex you want you soppy vagina. Americans arent anything in general other than human. Racist fuck
Cravanicus
Hi, United States citizen born and bred here. “American” isn’t a race. We’re the biggest melting pot in the world soooo, simma dahn nah.
CraftyGiant
you mean nationalist?
BryanLaserEpee
I'm American you dumb fuck
ahorseelbowdeepinme
Taking away legitimate ways of doing this work doesn't stop it, just sends it further underground away from regulations that keep it safe!
Iusethisreallylongusernamebecauseihavenocluewhatusernametouse
Holy shit it's almost like prohibition never works. Just creates black markets
newsguycraigevans
And that's ok with the conservatives that want it gone. The less safe it is the happier they are, it allows them to say it isn't safe
LoTRFanatic42
Just like with abortion laws.
Shineupordown
Yeah we are really regressing to stone age of old farts banning sex. Meanwhile real child pedophiles like Trump and Gaetz are not in jail
TrayfromCoW
trump is a bellend, i agree. but your saying hes a peodophile now. source? or just another bs claim?
trinityj1
He was credibly accused of raping a 13 year old and deeply connected to Epstein. Google it.
TrayfromCoW
accused is not guilty. When the left realise this, they have a great chance to actually chamge things
JamBarn
…you really must be young. there’s more erotic material available to more people for free than at any time in history so that’s not true
ReptarsGhost
It’s time to boycott MasterCard and visa! Oh…wait… goddamnit. They’re about 70% of all global card transactions
Thornaxe
Pornhub could release their own payment processing service. There’s enough adult content to get that off the ground.
ChibiYui
If only they'd done that before burning it all down. Little point now, except maybe as an act to save others from their fate?
sirfanciesadrought
Duopoly. Worse than monopoly.
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ChibiYui
Visa hasn't threatened OnlyFans yet, they DID actively participate is causing the PornHub situation though, didn't they?
parasztarcal
Theoretically they can get fucked for 10% of their yearly profits if they're caught processing payment for illegal porn so they prob will.
jimicus
Only 70%? The only other card provider in the U.K. is Amex, and they’re a bit player. Is the rest of the world radically different?
ArcosNoodleLifter
China uses mostly apps like WeChat. I needed to install it when I was there because a lot of vendors didn't even accept credit cards.
jimicus
How do you get your money into WeChat?
ReptarsGhost
The market concentration ratio of these near monopolies are wild
ReptarsGhost
Def varies by country. I’ve worked in finance and these figures check. This number came from Google search but links to the research report
ReptarsGhost
https://www.cardrates.com/advice/number-of-credit-card-transactions-per-day-year/
LaronX
As a European. I never use one. Paypal and my Bank card do all I need. I know PayPal isn't great either. But what do you need it for?
Corrodias
PayPal is even worse; it won't do business with any sex-related content at all. It's full prude.
parasztarcal
I've only ever had two bank cards in europe, and one was issued by Mastercard, the other by Visa, so I don't even know what else is there.
LaronX
I use a so called Girocard (formerly EC) and you can pay in pretty much every store with it. I think it's a German state run thing as far1/2
LaronX
As I know Neither visa or MasterCard have there hand in it, but I might be obvious to it 2/2
parasztarcal
According to wikipedia they're co-branded with both Visa and Mastercard, so they might have issues if they went against them.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Debit cards are much less likely to come with zero fraud liability policies, which leaves you more vulnerable to financial losses /
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
/if debit card fraud occurs.
dekket
"haha I knew you'd come around" - BitCoin
comacomacomacomachameleon
this is the point of decentralized finance. Visa could say "nah" and kill a business... should they be that powerful?
ReptarsGhost
Hereticscholar
You can pay for things with bitcoin, and they even got a card payment system now.
EverNotRelevant
Yeah, no. This burnt porridge is bad, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna switch to eating dried shit.
TakuanSoho
"Oh yeah I bought $1000 in BitCoin ! But what I am gonna do with those $1347 ? I should really think on how to invest those $428 !"
MrMineHeads
Bitcoin is horrible for the environment and it is not money.
MaladaptedMedic
Fluctuates too much to be a real currency. I spent $30 on drugs 10 years ago. Would’ve been worth tens of thousands at its peak. Still mad
Freyja33
Kristof is such a piece of shit, glad people are finally calling him out for stuff like this.
jgil79
Asking for a friend.....Are there any ethical porn sites?
JamBarn
Nope because the very profit motive guarantees exploitation.
xizar
"Traffickinghub"? Sounds like a sketchy version of pornhub.
3PiecesOfBread
I’m still trying to figure out why dudes aren’t just beating off for free.
Couchwarrior1337
You'd think we'd have learned from prohibition and the war on drugs that trying to ban these things only makes them move underground.
B99Reactions
When the real lesson is that you cant trust people without education to make the right choices for their health, physical or mental
JamBarn
…but nothing has been banned.
starlordwasmyslavename
Law teacher here. Until there’s evidence that these changes aren’t working (literally been less than a year), I’m all for these changes.
starlordwasmyslavename
legal sex work is important, but so is keeping our kids safe front trafficking, and most of it is from porn so why not start there?
starlordwasmyslavename
Choosing between “online freedom” and lowering demand for trafficking porn is a no brainer
JamBarn
I’m going to put this out there…you don’t have to be pro-porn or prostitution to be sex positive.
labyrinthconvention
https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war-pornhub
lunchbeers
I get it, but nobody is being punished. MC is distancing itself from an industry where exploitation is known, but that cant/wont address it.
5exyPanda
This change will only hurt the industry and punish the independent and armature creators. This is exactly what you do if.you want more
dherik
That’s their entire point
5exyPanda
Sex trafficking, not less. Now armature creators will be forced to go to sketchy "studios" to try and get paid for content.
SteveMND
I know you meant "amateur creators," but "armature creators being forced to go to sketchy studios" is too good to complain about.
CraftyGiant
it's long way of saying sculptor.
ddd0
That's... intentional. The groups doing this want porn to become as shady as possible so they can put a blanket ban into law w/o resistance.
Crowlands
Just as the Rapeublican party wants.
sirfanciesadrought
This! Exactly.
dekket
Or build their own platforms.
znuff
And get paid how? :) payment processors will deny them the rooms required to take payments.
StarscreamAndHutch
Wasn’t crypto invented for this sort of thing? Make a multi-pass porn card. Blackjack and hookers, etc.
namAehT
Honestly it would be the best bet, but AFAIK there's no easy way to do recurring payments with BTC or ETH. Though it looks like there 1/2
dekket
No. If you post your own content only, that would mean you moderate the content, thus abiding my the rules.
znuff
But then they (payment processor) have to do that work too. Or you, as a content creator will have to provide proof of records.
Inyourmomsasscot
Cryptocurrency is a viable alternative.
BrockEffingSamson
I think you are wildly overestimating the adoption rate of cryptocurrencies.
GoodEarthBetweenMyToes
What about a cooperative model? They do it for commodities (think Green Giant, Ocean Spray, etc.) Work could still be performed off-site.
JamBarn
PayPal.
dekket
PayPal uses payment processors, incl Mastercard on the backend, so no.
DeadlyWanderer
PayPal hates sex workers and will lock their accounts out of the blue.
maddshakes
I don’t know. Prohibition didn’t lead to better crime.
CraftyGiant
i mean. stock car racing would tend to disagree but maybe you just forgot the /s
newsguycraigevans
You forgot the /s
Hereticscholar
This comment is hilarious either way you ment this. I'm either laughing with this great joke, or at this incredibly ignorant statement. Lol
thelenlikeafelon
Verifying people in sex videos is absolutely necessary to reduce sex trafficking. The counterargument is that the lobbyists are Christians?
JustSomePersonThere
This is fucking infuriating. And of course uncritical internet dipshits are playing into the misinformation by creating memes blaming OF.
FartBoxExtract
This is Imgur, no time for critical research, just emotional reactions based on very little info.
Ricobe9
OF has a lot of the blame on this. It all began with an investigation that found they were bad at moderating some illegal content. It was
Ricobe9
People that had worked in moderation at OF that spoke out.
TheElusiveEnchilada
Interesting. I would have thought it was just too much unmonitored CP and revenge porn.
Ricobe9
It kinda is. This tweet thread is fully correct. The real story is that BBC discovered they were bad at moderating some illegal content
znuff
That's what they want you to think. Truth be told, CP and Revenge Porn is less than 0.1% content out there. CP is traded on "the dark web"
Septcanmat
Ok but 0.1% of the content is still a HUGE amount.
StanielRonathan
And Facebook is a far bigger distributor of them that nobody dares to attack
anjeer
Children have been making money selling illegal sexually explicit content. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57255983 This isn't "dark web" shit.
mroranges
This is misleading bullshit. The Kristof article mentions Trakffickinghub literally once to corroborate numbers. I read every word of...
mroranges
and there are no "anti-sex" or religious undertones. It highlights just how rife the internet is with underage ppl forced into...
mroranges
porn and how it ruins their lives, and how little porn sites and search engines do to stop that cycle. To turn what is an important exposé..
mroranges
Into essentially a rant about how people hate sex work is really, really selfish and misguided. I'm all for protecting sex workers but...
mroranges
using that NYT article as the genesis of her argument is slimy. Go read it yourself and see if it doesn't change how you see this thread
Pheehelm
I can't find any justification to his claim that Exodus Cry is anti-semitic. In fact they express anti-anti-semitic views: (1/3)
TheActualDonKnotts
Sometimes really shitty groups don't put their shittiest beliefs right on their front page for some strange reason. Shocking I know.
Pheehelm
(2/3) https://exoduscry.com/blog/shiftingculture/pornhub-cashes-in-on-racism-and-anti-semitism/
Pheehelm
(3/3) The "naturally" makes me suspect he's the type who just assumes anyone with the Wrong Kind of Opinions is also automatically racist.
Ablargasaurus
Thanks for looking into that! I don't know any of the names involved other than the main companies, so I appreciate some fact-checking.
CraftyGiant
he was wrong, and non factual so maybe get your facts elsewhere.
StanielRonathan
Exodus Crys is a ministry of the International House of Prayer, Kansas City- IHOPKC's founder Mike Bickle is a notorious anti-semite; he's-
StanielRonathan
professed his mission is to convert Jews and that Hitler was sent by God, Ted Cruz touted being endorsed by him. Exodus Cry has greatly-
StanielRonathan
revised their website to hide their ongoing affiliation to IHOPKC and even had themselves scrubbed from the Internet Archive to do so.
bril350
That anti porn group is run by very typical right wing karens. Anti-semitism isnt a crazy assumption
Asteroidrules
Great but it's still an unfounded assumption until evidence supporting it is presented.
Whiskeyjelly
How does one get the job of previewer of live streams? Asking for a friend.
autodidacticcortex
I volunteer as tribute!
colt64
Have a buddy who does IT for a cam company. He had to watch four hours of a guy doing the helicopter to find a bug in their player.
lemmonjello
lol amazing. that truly sounds super boring
BoobsAreSoMuchFun
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pareidoliaperson
Nobody's going to be naked tho buddy. (Unless I forgot what I just read)
ghostinthesnow
I cannot even begin to tell you how you do not want that job.
ILoveSpicyPeople
I’m sure your joking, but how does anyone stomach the job of filtering out CP & rape/revenge porn? That sounds horrific.
hopsbro
I'd be concerned about anyone asking for that job because I'd assume they want a legal way to watch CP. Id be down to watch revenge/rape tho
hopsbro
Which is probably an equally concerning statement to many
zephyruk
I fucken downvoted you and upvoted you, you sick reasonable person.
hopsbro
I have a rape fetish, both ways. Cant help it. Obviously we need to scrub the actual bs off the web cause that's horrifying.
ThePastmaster
Revenge porn I could do. Rape... Maaaybe. CP would he difficult to say the least.
Outlavv
Revenge porn is just regular stuff uploaded or revorded without participant consent. Not inherently violent or horrific to watch
colt64
Bet it'd still feel gross after a full 8 hours of finding and deleting it.
ChrisWsrn
You don't want this job. I quit a a cyber forensics job after I worked my first CP case. It is really fucked up stuff.
Leithoa
*CAM (child abuse material)
TheElusiveEnchilada
Yikes. Honestly, as much as I want to learn/practice more forensics, I hear these stories and get creeped out.
ChrisWsrn
Cyber forensics is interesting. Problem is some people are monsters.
SnakuPlisskin
I was fascinated by the technology side of it but my professor's stories made certain I wouldn't choose it as a career.
JustChargeYourDamnPhone
That’s the problem with most forensics. Finding out what some people are capable of is hard on your world view. Psychopaths look/act normal.
AgamemnonsMemes
Apparently people who work these kinds of jobs need TONS of downtime because of the things they see destroying their mental health.
Hexxxxxxxxx
Id love a storyline post...
ChrisWsrn
I can not give one. I signed a NDA for that job. Also I only did 4 cases total with them. 2 were data recovery while 2 were full analysis.
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
As a former stripclub bouncer, it took 3 days for naked dancers to stop being sexual. 10 years later I'm still not turned on by nakedness.
ThePastmaster
I'm the same. Only seen one person naked IRL. It's just nudity.
ioangoci101
Commiserations...
FancyFeastAdvocate
I think that's actually kind of good. Nudity is so over sexualized in the US.
theyear1500
I was a bouncer for private party strippers company and ya you get over it really quick.
mustardburp
I get it if it's(nudity) within a work context that you no longer feel arousal. But does that extend to your personal life as well? Sorry...
mustardburp
...that is a very personal question to ask, so please feel free to ignore it.
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
I'm bi. I prefer womanly shapes over manly. Being naked isn't inherently sexual to me. Nakedness in nd of itself isn't a fantasy any more.
thegarts
I’ve seen my wife naked for 25 years and still enjoy it. Just saying.
Yotarian
Yeah but was it ever in a workplace with a purely transactional environment, or was it in a romantic setting?
thegarts
Only when we role play.
ireallydontcareman
Remove the emotion and it doesn’t feel the same I’m sure
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
This is it.
justhereforthemimes
You know how ppl think everyone should work retail/food service at some point? I now think everyone should work in a stripclub
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
Dealing with drunks isn't so bad. Deaing with the entitled is harder. Dealing with drunk entitled strippers, eell i got hit more by dancers.
abobeaver5772
Part of that is they can get away with hitting you. Patrons know/think you will beat them up and call the cops
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
This is true. I was very patient with my customers and tended to talk people down. Roadhouse rules and all
justhereforthemimes
I just meant so that nakedness wouldn't be equated with sexuality anymore, but I do see your point
imadethisaccounttotellyouthis
Intent helps. Naked wife is nice, naked wife giving me the look, instant turn on. Naked stripper giving me the look? She wants a tip.
ImgursLibertarian
Not nearly as interesting, but, I worked on top of the world's strongest magnet (45T) for a month with steel toed boots, and now...
lemmonjello
dude composite is the way to go
ImgursLibertarian
Oh I know... but I had the chance and I took it.
ImgursLibertarian
everything else is just kinda like... watching reruns of full house.
sageandonions
Wait, I'm waaaay interested. Tell the story. Why were you on a magnet, why were you wearing magnetic shoes, how much were you getting paid?
thedarknesssurroundsme
.
ImgursLibertarian
lol. I was a masters degree level engineer working on a prototype magnet. Made $44K/yr. I wore them because it was FUCKING AWESOME.
JonnyTightlips
I work with MR...super powerful magnets are neato and very useful
ImgursLibertarian
NMR? MRI? ICR? Those are typically very "cool" magnets.
JonnyTightlips
MRI...biggest I've seen is 7T, with full bore. Higher ones are narrow bore that can't fit whole patients or for animals
ImgursLibertarian
I did a first order design for a Nb3Sn based 15T head scanning MRI. $30M in JUST conductor.
EverNotRelevant
It's past time we decriminalized sex work in the US.
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EverNotRelevant
I'm not familiar with the Dutch system, but I'm pretty sure they're an example of legalization, not decriminalization.
vegivamp
It's past time the world criminalises organised religion. All of them.
Khazuki
good luck with that. Decriminalizing sex work doesn't come close to top priority for your shit hole country.
JamBarn
And why would it?
ILikeChocolateAndRaspberries
It's past time US catholic talibans stop dictating their twisted views on the entire fucking world...
naomiMoonBeast
Thank you have been saying that for awhile now.
starlordwasmyslavename
Agreed. While I do believe pornhubs change is good, an actual step would be regulating it to deal with demand
jabike2424
And marijuana. Well most drugs actually.
Metalbawkses
Legalize it all, and treat addiction as what it is, a disease
abobeaver5772
Probably also underaged porn consumption. Keep the 'no public advertising' rules but I mean. Their is no reasonable way to control it
abobeaver5772
So all it really does is harm the porn industry in general by creating liability concerns of selling to minors
idiotsonfire
What I'd love to see is that we start criminalizing the talibangelicals, but that'll never happen. America wasn't founded as a christian nation, but it became a christofascist one very quickly after the last of the founders died.
vinny8boberano
Decriminalize sex work, and being a sex worker. Penalize every other aspect that isn't promoting the health of the workers.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Couldn't a site simply use Mastercard processing for purchase of completely tame "sexy time bucks" as a go between for liability?
EverNotRelevant
I think that might qualify as money laundering.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Only if the money is illegally obtained. In this case you're just paying for only fans currency.
PithyCommentBelow
Gotta get rid of the religious nuts. Take their teeth away. No real change until that happens.
lemmonjello
good lord I imagined a gestapo like force literally taking teeth from the religious nuts... Im down.
whitebbwolf
right. Just after u legalize abortion
EverNotRelevant
Abortion is already legal. The current troubles are with accessibility.
Metalbawkses
But that's gonna upset sky daddy
eratosthenesearth
It has to be done right. The Dutch example is not good. Estimates of the number prostitutes varies by 10,000, meaning that testing is not >
NoFather
The country is backwards sexually and bends over to Puritans so wouldn't count on it happening anytime soon. Can't even teach proper sex ed.
pareidoliaperson
Did this law of yours abused enough rights of black people? →NO→ it's not time. → YES → ok it's time, but also bc white people want a share.
TheAngryMarineBiologist
Unfortunately the separation of church and state is just a tagline at this point, half of the US is run by conservative zealots and madmen
EricAndresmoleonhisleftbuttcheek
Once all the puritan Christians are out of power, then we might actually get a crack at a decent society of people.
HippDeutschMan
It's past time the US gets its shit together in most things... Just saying.
TheRickest
In line with everyone else in the world.
SuicidalThrillbillyturnedLunaticChillbilly
It's past time for anything at this point. Climate change has just been appointed the title of Grim Reaper. We are fucked.
kmikl
Start with the metric system. They've been fucking the dog on a sane measurement system for too. Fucking. Long.
outthere987
I’ll go one step further. It should be legalized, taxed and regulated
popefool
Full legalization creates more problems for sex workers than it solves. Decriminalization is the preferred solution.
EverNotRelevant
Nah. Big problem with legalization is it creates thresholds and hurdles and bars to entry.
JamBarn
Can’t have it both ways.
EverNotRelevant
...No? You can decriminalize without legalization. I don't know why you think it's impossible.
JamBarn
That lasts hardly any time at all. Decriminalization always leads to legalization. That’s entirely the point of decriminalization.
outthere987
Thats a problem that can be mitigated, and its a fair trade to increase safety and reduce sex trafficking.
EverNotRelevant
Decriminalization already does that. Legalization shifts power away from the workers and toward employers.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Never gonna happen with the soft theocracy we have.
idiotsonfire
Soft? There's absolutely nothing soft about it. How many atheists are in congress right now? One? MAYBE? Probably zero. How many Christians?
StarscreamAndHutch
Soft headed people.
RedBeardedGentleman
in a country colonized by prude puritans? GL with that...
JamBarn
Puritans don’t deserve that. They were very sex positive within a marriage and drank tons of cider that they made.
Mahabazu
Right, "sex positive" so long as its: not prostitution, not homosexual, not outside of wedlock, and certainly not if its "sodomy."
JamBarn
Yeah, what year was that again?
Mahabazu
When they punished sexual relations outside of marriage? Or when they imposed their self righteous interpretation of acceptable sex?
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
First mandate all sex workers need to hold a gun to appear on camera, then watch anyone try to stop them.
slipmagt
It's past time we remove a lot of these religious groups as well.
ScaryTransgenderPersonInTheRestroom
This.
CyanideBreathMint
Make them pay taxes, at least.
jeeps005
remove?
DaringSteel
Sherman.
PathologicalLier
P. Sherman 42 Wallabyway, Sydney
afatrollofmyown
Why these religious groups are considered so legit and have more power to do this is te real baffling part.
CyanideBreathMint
Seriously? They're considered legit because they have $.
flistdumpnumberonemillion
they all vote
ddd0
Yesn't, this is about influencing the freedom of contract of companies (amex etc.), why exactly amex&co are not like utilities no one knows.
CyanideBreathMint
They vote w/$, that's the biggest part of the problem.
JamBarn
If you’re baffled by that then you don’t know what’s going on and probably never will.
ILoveSpicyPeople
This is a great post, I believe what she’s saying, but I’d love some sources on, “getting sex workers killed” etc..I’d like more information
TisIChenoir
I remember when Tumblr closed it's adult content, there werr quite a few prostitutes that were legitimately scaeed because they lost their
TisIChenoir
Screening process so they couldn't filter out creeps and unsafe people. There was some talk about a hike in the number of murdered
TisIChenoir
Prostitutes due to that but I don't know if it was real or nit though.
ILoveSpicyPeople
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
CraftyGiant
moving sex work from on cam to in the backseat of a car or in a rando hotel room is for sure way more dangerous.
sweetnaivety
That's just an assumption, explained in the tweet where they say sex workers will be forced to use shady and dangerous methods now
tedharris02
This is a opportunity for Crypto payments (especially fee-less or low fee ones) to become more established
Ricobe9
No. It'll only open up for more criminal activity
DancesWithHedgehogs
The rise of an ill to perpetuate another ill. Sounds great.
J0NY5
Did you get your information about crypto from glancing at a crappy newspaper headline, I wonder?
DancesWithHedgehogs
No. Environmental damage caused by crypto farms is real. Are you unaware?
Asteroidrules
Well it is already the preferred payment method of sex traffickers.
WhoeverSmeltItDealtIt
What was that Mr. Gaetz?
cactusjuiceitsthequenchiest
LupusLilium
The issue with the current crypto currency systems are they're far too unstable to make it worth it long term. If a company pays out to you
LupusLilium
say weekly on contributions from fans. Fans could have paid in a total of 500USD in that week, but by the time you get paid out you're
LupusLilium
now getting paid ~100 because the crypto market took a sudden tumble. Crypto doesn't need to replace banking systems, it needs to get on par
LupusLilium
with them and have actual backing along with a stable transfer rate.
bshodokai
Figured someone from the 'crypto currency solves everything's would chime in
imonlyhereforusersubmitted
But it literally could solve this -
tedharris02
I'm more of a 'cryptocurrency could be used as means of payment' guy but ok
Einbrecher
Even if they started accepting crypto today, it wouldn't change the calculus or the result.
CopiedAndPasted
What alternatives to prevent trafficking besides vetting are there? Real stories of people put on PH against their will are heartbreaking
CraftyGiant
this isn't porn hub.
Asteroidrules
There really is just vetting and enforcement, as much as denialists refuse to admit it sex "work" is reliant on trafficking and exploitation
Scahrossar
Taking the whole industry out of a legal grey area means you can take steps to actually tackle the real problems.
Septcanmat
That doesn’t answer the question, though. Unless anything goes, you’ll still need a way of distinguishing between acceptable and
Septcanmat
unacceptable sex work. What is the solution? And this isn’t me arguing against legalizing sex work, but we can’t act like “make it legal”
Septcanmat
is the start and end of the solution. What’s the next step?
ChibiYui
Sending droids down to the planet?
soulsource
Unions. I'm at least partially serious here.
TheOvy
I'm sex positive & read the Kristof story: There were REAL cases of revenge porn & underage sex on PornHub, and *something* had to be done.
preparationh67
And this isnt argue against that at all so whats your point?
preparationh67
And to be clear I read the rest of your comments that dont actually disagree with the OP so like wut?
TheOvy
I feel the OP railroaded over very real issues to focus on the Christian narrative, as if the lack of that narrative wouldn't have resulted
TheOvy
in the same situation. Even without Puritanical bullshit, I think Pornhub and CC companies would've responded the same way. The evangelical
TheOvy
right is certainly an obstacle to sensible sex work policy that is the next step to fixing the problem, though.
TheOvy
And while sex workers should have legal & safe avenues to make their living, there needs to be SOME oversight to ensure others aren't being
TheOvy
exploited or taken advantage of. I'm unsure if CC companies are the right way to do this, but obv OnlyFans isn't willing to do the work that
TheOvy
it takes, so hopefully some other sites are willing. We want an FDA to maker sure our food is healthy to eat and drugs safe to take, we
TheOvy
should obviously have some oversight to ensure that sex work is safe and consensual, too. Maybe the real answer is actual legislation that
TheOvy
decriminalizes sex work and creates the regulatory apparatus to protect sex workers. But given the GOP, that isn't going to
imnotsureaboutthat
Or ya know, sites have an obligation to ensure they don’t host illegal material. People are free to make a new onlyfans that uses similar>>
waluigiknowsyourehigh
Lmao, exactly
imnotsureaboutthat
Vetting as pornhub.
dekket
You didn't read properly. They'd have to manually vet each and every piece of content uploaded. That will cost boatloads
imnotsureaboutthat
Is that what pornhub does? Their strategy seems to work
JanglesPrime
Looks like the people who started this are not satisfied with even that. They still are calling for Pronhub to shut down. Give these people
JanglesPrime
And inch and they take a mile.
Sasarious
Its physically impossible, thats why by its roundabout way of banning something.
dekket
Precisely
m5nuzwr2gh10
Exactly! Have we as a society decided that online Porn is a righteous and healthy thing?
Jenvas
Imo it's similar to smoking and drinking. Certainly bad for you, but an adult can decide to consume it anyways.
m5nuzwr2gh10
Social media and modern marketing have handcuffed our ability to choose.
B99Reactions
Think we’ve learnt there might be a new definition for what an adult really is considering the lack of culture and education leading to this
CraftyGiant
how is it bad you puritanical fool...
Jenvas
lol, I'm certainly not puritan. Addiction to porn is a thing and can have a bad effect on ones sexlife.
CraftyGiant
So you advocate for bringing back prohibition right?
bril350
Except onlyfans doesnt have that problem. As far as ive heard
Septcanmat
Except, frankly, any site on the internet that lets anyone upload content, is going to have this problem and needs to have a way of
Septcanmat
preventing it.
Ricobe9
It does. It's what started this whole thing. A BBC investigation that found cases of underage girls, beastiality, exploitation of homeless
B99Reactions
You think people look around at what goes wrong while theyre simping around in onlyfans. If they ignore the problem then it doesn’t exist
Ricobe9
And other stuff where OF weren't good at moderating it like they should. That's the real reason credit card companies pulled away
SIGMA920
Every site that allows users to upload content will miss something even if they catch 99% of the illegal/TOS breaking uploads. That's just a
SIGMA920
reality of how that works. That doesn't mean you nuke everything.