Sep 16, 2019 3:34 PM
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SexualSandwich
Always enjoyed bill burr comedy
hardytardigrade
They've been edgy for years but this new focus on attacking oversensitivity is a new approach. But yes, the world has changed. It does that.
GravyTrainOnBiscuitWheels
Agreed. Although I watched both specials yesterday and found Chapelle was a little whiny about today's sensitivity while Burr exploited it
JustinBoz
Chappelle did change though, and for the worse. Burr changed too, but to call out his own behavior more often, which heightens the punchline
TheGriffin
That's part of the point. They aren't changing.
mardukkur
Chappelle always had an element of his comedy that punched down, and it was always the worst, least funny thing about his act.
harper54
w00tberrypie
Ireadtoomuch
Chappell shifted from telling jokes to anicdotal opinions. Had to stop half way though wasn't laughing and I wasn't upset 'at dem lgbqt'
kluang
WineAndRevelry
Killing Them Softly is still Chappelle's best stand up special.
kepattRunner
TAKE IT EASYYY - you’re on third street
nmhurley
I mean when your right you really are right
You’re*.. I did take basic English in elementary school
Downtake
No officer Dave Chappelle couldn’t have done that, I saw him master baiting in his window from 2:30 to 2:36 while holding today’s paper.
RideTheStimutacs
Hot take: His sketch comedy was much better than all of his standup.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Worst part of that show by far was his lame bits between skits
PaulVolcker
I....didnt know I couldn't do that
PoIluticorn
Wasn't that joke on Platinum Series Comedy?
thatFamilyMan
Dave, dave it's the god damn cops
Dave.....im gonna race him
MyBallsAreAsSmoothAsEggs
Apparently the police have been beating up negroes like hotcakes
1LostPuppy
See, this is why you need to have a white friend. Because when shit goes down, someone needs to talk to the cops.
Well, let's sprinkle some crack on him and get out of here
TheManWithTheSevenScars
?1
nfamouskingsley
Open and shut case Johnson
MiyagieOne
That sick bastard even hang pictures of himself around this house...
TheGreatWizpoo
All i know is that i liked em before and still like em now
TheBeastRabban
Hear, hear.
puddin151
i just watched both of their specials last night and enjoyed them thoroughly
ChaoticEnigma1121
"We are gathered here today to make sure everyone eats. If not each other, food." The literal opening words to one of Richard Pryor's sets
notsgnivil
“Becoming more sensitive” = less tolerance for racism, misogyny, transphobia and other bigotries.
XeononSolomon
People say sensitive. I say people have become more aware of other peoples issues and find it inappropriate to joke about that sort of thing
I havent seen the new Netflix special yet
NitherNor
But it's most important to joke about things found to be inappropriate.
Grimdude
It's this. "Sensitive" is just their way of making it sound like a bad thing
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Correct.
As someone with a fuckload of issues, the way I deal is by joking as much as possible. If you don't like jokes... don't watch the special.
Josefbugman1543
The problem is that you might not have watched it, but HOLY FUCK are you expected to have a take on it. See for instance, this post.
I refuse to have an opinion just because someone else wants me to.
I wasnt going to. Burr, Chappelle, Carlin. Their comedy was never funny to me.
Fair enough.
Galdrack
I mean that's legit the point of critics though. To watch something and review it. Very few people who wouldn't be interested in the show>
haven't watched it because if this. There's way more people crying about criticisms of the shows than crying about the show.
meganly
I think there’s a difference between dark humor about yourself and your experiences vs about other people and experiences you haven’t lived
DamnedAustin
Yeah, there's a fine line between "offensive" comedy and punching down on people or groups who are marginalized. The former is usually (1)
tolerated (see Tosh, Jeselnik, etc...) because you can be offensive without being tone-deaf or malicious about it. The latter usually (2)
doesn't go over very well because you're just being a mean-spirited asshole. (3/3)
snootchieebootchies
And some people find that funny and some don't. And that's ok. Tho You do realize you and others who have your same opinion can not watch it
While that's true, historically speaking, performers in the second category just don't tend to attract many fans.
I like you.
ScrooblyDoobles
1. I’m getting pretty tired of comedians constantly whining about how sensitive people are tho. It’s a small number of people on Twitter and
2. Clickbait journalists looking for views. It’s so overblown. Say what you want, who cares if some cracked out SJW isn’t happy about it:
Agreed. These specials are huge smash successes, so things can't really be THAT bad. Not like they were when you got arrested for obscenity.
mialynneb
Exactly. They bitch about it to sold out shows, so.
People who talk for a living get scared when people respond to their speech. Comedians, pundits, politicians whine about this the most.
experiencemike
I think it's because of what has the most traction. At the moment, being offended is a huge topic, thus it has traction. This negatively 1/2
Impacts the comedians scores as a result. It's not a direct correspondence to sjw's specifically, but they do hold power in media. 2/2
Sasarious
They are literally being paid millions yet acting as if they are being shunned at the door.
trytoburymeimseedling
They get big money and so many of their jokes are just complaints! Both spent too much time talking shit about “feminists”
RdizzyC
Many modern comedians acts depend on this victimhood mentality.
JapAnus
The problem is a loud minority can ruin you. Like how they fucked with Kevin Hart.
GinoTheIntern
By what metric has Hart been ruined?
SomeCrazyNerd
Kevin Hart's jokes were digusting and a large number of people agreed upon that
ihatesociology
Yeah and now Kevin Hart has been totally expelled from Hollywood as a result./s
yungsachi
Louis CK
Sexual misconduct is a lot different than making an offensive joke. I like CK a lot, but he probably deserved what he got.
jerner15
Honestly I've seen more things online about the articles and people complaining than the actual complaints in the first place
Deathwing777
There's been a few articles from certain websites getting upset with them.
TheRumpusGumpert
The internet magnifies things. Most of the time with "controversies," almost nobody gives a fuck.
BenKrauter
It was primarily the critical reviews on RT, which at Dave at a 0% score after his special released. That's the cause of all this.
Nobanob
In Edmonton they were building a freeway around the city forEVER. When they finished a work programmed a sign to say "we done birches"
Angry news articles for days. As far as the online community went, it was a funny jest, and well received
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
Yeah, this is the complaining I've been seeing.
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
It's always this. One twitter person says something and suddenly the victim complex comes out.
ToniToobsocks
Entire videos on YouTube ,the young Turks , the rotten tomato score , various articles online are all complaining.
DefinitelynotEricTrump
rotten tomatoes is a bit funky because the critics they usually use dont review Netflix stand up specials so thinkpieces got overrepresented
Fuckweasel
It's like the 'vegan hate' thing. I see more shit from non-vegans *about* vegans than the other way around.
And I've seen memes about it for over a month now, like my goodness anti sjw's have become more annoying than SJWs ever were
They always were.
SarcasticComment
Lucky. Google wrongfully assumes this is what I am interested in and has been feeding me nothing but complaint material about comics.
Did you click on the articles about the complaints? Maybe that's why google thinks you're interested in the topic?
Honestly, I click on a lot of stuff. In 10+ years of monitoring, they have no idea if my searches are serious, sarcastic, or contradictory.
Tristanisawesome
But it doesn't matter. You click. That's all they care about. They don't care about your deep down tastes in things. They care about clicks.
Fair enough, which is why I framed this in regard to the content I am seeing despite my sincere lack of interest.
nicholmikey
This is how reporting works now. A small minority complains, write an article as if it was a large group. Then later write another article -
- Calling out the first group. It generates outrage that can be converted in to ad revenue. You can double dip the chip.
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
This post is the first thing I've seen about either special. To be fair I tend to avoid safe spaces for the think skinned bitches.
nobodysheretoday
Majority of complaining I've seen are straw men arguments against "PC culture".
chewybacon
Good.
MadOatmeal
Cheesecakecrush
The media is trying to create what they're writing about. Very common these days.
legion275
The reason is that you wont hear it on places with voting systems cuz the average person doesn't seem to hold that view but does criticizeit
This isn't a "hard to swallow pill" so much as a "heavily biased opinion with a potshot at opposing viewpoints".
GorillaPowers
I have seen ZERO actual complaints.
Have you tried google? Buzzfeed and a number of other sites wrote articles about it.
iamthisguy247
I keep wondering this. Has there been an outpouring of hate on Chappelle’s special. With the exception of the RT rating I haven’t seen it>
YoutubeArchivist
Vice flat out told people not to watch it.
dewoodysautowreckin
Yes vice wrote a take down of it before it was even released.
Jukior
Twitter flooded with people who now hate dave chapelle. At least my feed was
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
Critics hate it and the consumers enjoyed it.
Neither side is "technically" wrong. Critics think his recent special was flat compared to his older material but the average 1/2
consumer doesn't really understand the joke besides "haha funny"
AxelBeingCivil
That's not hard to swallow. I was an awful person ten years ago. I've grown and learned a lot about my failings since then.
Sphinct182
"Are my jokes hackneyed? No, it is the audience who is wrong."
maathimself
Check out their Rotten Tomatoes scores. The audiences love the new specials, it's the critics that have a bone to pick.
They may be separate on RT, but in reality, critics are part of the audience just like anyone else.
TheGame21x
As if the audience scores aren't being manipulated by people leaving positive "reviews" just to "stick it to the SJWs".
Irishda
Audiences loved Twilight too, so I guess you're just being a sensitive SJW if you can't handle it
crann
The thing about comedy specials is that people who will naturally enjoy them are pretty much the only people who will watch them. BUT 99% is
still pretty impressive.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I mean, to be fair, that's kinda their entire job.
The audience score is obvious bullshit though? 99% doesn't set off any flags?
Yes, any fact that disagrees with your opinion is obvious bullshit.
Freeflare
See, fanboying is ok as long as you understand you're doing it.
There isn't a piece of culture in history that 99% of people like. Be real
TheFoxCouncil
Isn't it likely that it's been flooded by fans who are trying to push back against the 'outrage' by giving it good reviews?
That's not what I said at all though. Don't be like this. You can admit 99% is suspicious it's not that hard
Azathought
Not really suspicious. Most people who write reviews with the right opinions are accepted as critics, those who have the wrong opinions 1/
Yeah, the fact that a so-so comedy special has a 99% audience score doesn't mean the critics are wrong, it means people are rushing to (1)
defend him from critics because they're fanboys and want to "stick it to those SJW snowflakes!" (2/2)
mann0311
I agree 99% is a reaction but ita not cause stick to the snow flakes although im sure there were people who did it for that.
I think its clearly from the initial reactions from articles from vice and twitter outrage. The converse reaction to that was way larger.
InternetAnonymityplz
It's so-so in your opinion. I agree 99% is inflated, but I don't agree that it's inflated as you seem to based on word choice. I thought
it was quite funny.
HOOMANGUY
More like we became better people and they didn't
MileHighLivin
lol.
kakivara
I think you absolutely nailed the mindset of the people who get offended at anything and everything. Yeah, I guess you're just "better".
Yup. "Am I out of touch with comedy? No, it is the comedians who are bad people."
tacticusprime
I mean, comedians also used to joke about beating their wives. It's telling that Bill Burr admits he doesn't do race jokes because 1/
they aren't true. He points out that they are old hat and boring but he also specifically says they aren't true. It shines a light on 2/
what a lot of comedians think *is* true. That transpeople aren't people. That victims of sexual violence are just whiners. It's interesting.
YES THANK YOU. comedy includes opinion. It is not meaningless and everyone knows this.
Amen! Comedy has to contain a grain of truth for people to find it funny. People who shout "Gay!" at things to get a laugh can only do (1)
so if people think being gay is something to laugh at. The joke doesn't work if they yell something like "Brunette!" or "German!" since (2)
those things aren't the subject of mockery. (3)
fruityrainbowsprinkles
I love Dave but it's getting old. He's basically still saying the same type of shit over and over. Time to get some new jokes.
He won't. Mainly because people like the OP are, to coin a phrase, signalling their virtue by supporting his "bold and edgy" stance.
It's edgy chic. Take something serious, do it unseriously. Pretend it has no impact. Repeat
The thing is, if it's turned on them and someone wears a shirt saying "Republican tears" it's suddenly THE END OF DAYS!
Carp46120
That is because we don't have much to cry about these days. There would be no reference. Political comedy has to ridicule something actual.
Chapelle fans...would be offended by a shirt against republicans? Or are you just lumping together everyone you don't like?
Some fans might. Certainly the alt-righters using his content for propaganda would have reservations.
I'm not, but in the same vein that people get all angry when it's "Them" being targetted. A shirt saying "Down with Cis?" be okay instead?
BrazilianThunderPanda
Burr & Chappell are like those business that blame millennials for killing shit, when in reality they’re not adapting to changing culture.
bChrispy
Wait, what? Bill Burr has put his specials on Netflix since forever.
Yeah, but that culture is shit.
realistichorsegonadbehavior
...said every single person in history when culture changes.
Puritanism has been tried before and can fuck off along with the regressive shits who want to bring it back with a new-age spin.
Eat shit.
NickCyronek
Changing into a bunch of over-sensitive snowflakes...
[deleted]
Why not? What’s wrong with a healthy discussion?
So...they're immune to criticism?
No one's saying they changed though? They're saying it's just not funny anymore. People are rightfully pointing out Chappelle is stale now
atkinsongl
How is he stale? That shit was hilarious!
Those people are entitled to their opinion. I personally thought his new special was great. I don't know why people can't just agree to
They pretty much all do eventually. Young
Cosby was hilarious til he went TV. Carlin (words you can't say on television) was too til he got woke. Foxworthy, Larry the Cable Guy....
Those people need to move on then and not worry about what other people like. Just let people enjoy things.
bout2callbovice
It's just critique. It's just like saying "I thought S8 of Game of Thrones was bad." Comedians are the thin-skinned ones who can't take it.
It's this. Seinfeld bitching that he can't book college gigs is a him problem not a society one
Absolutely. I'll bet Jaboukie Young-White or John Mulaney have no problem playing college shows.
Ppl like Dave and Burr want to tell stale jokes or pander to an anti-SJW crowd but can't handle it when people call them out for being lazy.
No, that's not it. The criticism is not that their jokes are stale or lazy. And I didn't think so watching the special, either.
Taxonomyanomaly
I never see these so called “over-sensitive SJWs” I only every see people complaining about them... suspicious.
kheltan
agreed. Ever read the book Trigger Warning? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMgMr0JcYJ4
DamnYouMongorians
Oh, they're out there. Can't avoid it in Seattle.
onlysingalone
It's because you dont have to deal with them on a daily basis, if you were in my neighborhood, you would be horrified
It is very very real man....
zemthemattress
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59ngpb/you-can-definitely-skip-dave-chappelles-new-netflix-special-sticks-and-stones
youcantdothatontv
You could have just liked to vice.com in general and that would have been enough
I have met a few, its trippy how out of touch with reality they are
That's because their definition of "over-sensitive" is "anyone mildly against me being an asshole with no concept of social consequences".
I made the mistake of looking up Chappelle on Google, and found several sjw's writing articles about he's now "problematic" and shit
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
I see them all the time here on imgur and social media, and thats not even leaving my couch
GreatOdinsTaint
Depends on where you're at. I work in mental health and boy oh boy are they rampant. I think it's rare among regular folks.
quesofundido
The "anti PC"/"don't tread on my freedom of speech!!" crowd needs things to blame to so their sensibilities aren't revealed to be worthless
DickGenie
Check out the usual suspects--Vice, Buzzfeed, etc. Rotten Tomatoes early on gave a 0% score. Dude, just google and you'll see more.
Shmeadicus
They definitely do exist. Be thankful you don't encounter them. They're as awful as they sound.
pronoun
Google it, there are literally pages of articles.
illegalmangos
I think it’s fine to play around w the line like most comedians do. I didn’t like Chappell’s stuff cause his jokes are w mal intent attimes
DRUMS11
Come over to Reddit and cruise through some select subreddits - these people exist and they're nuts.
ThirtySix
Their extreme is still much better than the other extreme (basically 4chan). On the spectrum of SJW to 4Chan, id rather be closer to the SJW
I'd rather not be on either extreme, but then I get labeled an eNLiGhTeNeD CeNtRiSt.
If you're going to cite Reddit about nuts, you can't just cherry-pick, because there are a LOT of "select subreddits" on the other end.
GGCrono
They're a boogeyman. Someone to point at and complain about because you're getting called on being an edgelord.
Thats not true at all ive been around people who legitmently dont like chappelle after his specials.
DannycakesOW
That's not true though, they're just not interacting with you and your social bubbles. They're very real and more common than you think.
CheekyBreeki
"but what about my free speech!?" - KillTheJews1488
Honk honk
ReverseCard
Found the fash. Cool. See they're actually real, which is like really sad
Where'd you find him or her? I've never come across an actual fascist.
Found the /pol/ user.
Nah I don't fuck with that shit.
*scum
I love Dave. He's one of my favorite comedians of all time. But the trans joke in the last special sounded like someone else. Only time...
CrazyGuyOnABike
His views on trans people have always been garbage.
aleakyhousesinks
This guy gets it. I like Chappelle but I wish he wouldn't encourage or spread his own ignorance and confusion about trans people
...I've ever cringed watching him. It's not a big deal, I was just put off by it. When you have a public platform, people...
...hear what you say, and they repeat it. That's one reason he stepped away for a while, people coming up to him and his family in public...
...screaming lines from his show, even if it was inappropriate, and even if it wasn't something a white person should be repeating. When...
...I see him making that trans joke, I see a bunch of people he does not like and he does not agree with politically screaming it at trans..
...people, or even Asians. The wrong people will be repeating that one. That's why I didn't like hearing it. Now there's encouragement...
TheRealAlpharius
Miguelxdz
Great straw man dude, good quality fallacy.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Holy fucks that’s good. Burr literally didn’t make it one minute without saying “are you triggered”. So disappointed.
Commenting so I can find this again later. Also: https://twitter.com/dorrismccomics/status/1110937838441451524
HeroOfKvatch1
It's you! The hero of Kvatch!
By azura, by azura, by azura!
Well this is fucking great.
xKaraKx
60 iq comics
warlockaflocka
So he is being censored yet paid heaps to perform said offensive jokes? I don't see how he's being censored in any way
Attempted censoring
PaladinAstro
Unbarring
Hey, quick thing, you know that the Imperium are the baddies right? So is everyone else, but still.
Xaldyn
That sounds like heretic talk to me.
v
The point is the Imperium are the good guys by virtue of being less bad for *humans* than all the other options.
Dagordae
No, the point is that EVERYONE is the bad guys. The opening blurb is not subtle, the Imperium’s just as bad as everyone else. 40k has no
Good guys, just bad guys and other bad guys(with more spikes). The Tau are the closest you get to a good guy faction, and they’re utterly
Did I miss something? Who is this Imperium? Romans?
carrotsonfire
Tau are pretty good for humans. The rumours about sterilisation are just Imperial propaganda.
Disagree. If our only means of survival is Fascist theocracy then everything good about humanity is already dead.
But 'everything good about humanity' isn't dead, it's gained sentience and is trying to take over the universe.
MagusUnion
misterbeppo
And people being generally less cool with making fun of LGBTs is a... bad thing?
Every group deserves to be made fun of for something. He didn't make fun of their defining characteristics though, that wasn't the joke.
He kinda did. What do you think that I identify as asian joke was making fun of?
I think the point was how unusual it can seem when men identify as women and vice versa.
AnAsOfYetUnidentifiedIndividual
"He's not making fun of transpeople for their defining characteristic he's just making fun of the way people identify as a different gender"
Yes "unusual" when "men" "identify" as women. Do you see what's leery about that?
I don't get your point. He was "acting asian" for the joke. Would it have been better if he did the usual white guy voice to make it work?
He was pointing out that it's a funny situation when someone decides they were born in the wrong body. That there's humor in it. But yeah,
he was joking about the defining characteristic of the Ts.
"The ts" is a very slurr-y way to refer to people
Dude you just said he wasn't.
84rabbitgti
Honestly i feel like im going crazy these days, i cant handle how sensitive ppl are. It makes me even more vulgar then i would have been.
cutedeadfox
I can see that at work. It's crazy
Don't be so sensitive you pussy.
So you can’t handle how sensitive people are? Almost like.. you are too sensitive?
HonestBendersOrphanarium
Than*
"It's your fault I'm an asshole!"
Newlife5454
Aye, fuck you, mate.
Bruhbeans
Meh, it's mostly social media posts and clickbait articles that promote this image. In real life I haven't noticed a difference
remko
This. Stop getting your news from Facebook, MSN and other social media with 'news feeds'.
To put it in perspective. Some people are currently upset with a child eating demonic murder clown not being enough of an LGBTQ ally.
herkyth
Explain how pennywise is a hater please
There have been more than enough articles written about this for you to go to the source, and read what the authors have to say.
But I’m lazy and we’re best friends. Halp
Fine. Basically the evil murder clown hunts these characters like everyone else. Uses their personal fears surrounding being LGBTQ.
Probably because you're not funny and no one likes you
opetchas
People were always offended, just now we have platforms to hear them on a larger scale.
SprungLake
The internet lets you see who's offended. People don't really say if they're NOT offended by something
Well in some ways they do, but they usually do so by directing it at those who were offended by calling them SJWs, overly-sensitive, etc.>
CarnivorousRabbit
Maybe we should start. I'll begin: I'm not offended by this idea.
CaptainWolfsburg
I'm so not triggered that I need an unsafe space.
GreasyFartKnocker
Also not offended
I, too, find myself whelmed.
TalkingSnake
Could that make you the sensitive one?
Very well could be, but for every action in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction.
FourLegsGood
In your case it would be an overreaction, daffodil.
Self-control is a thing.
Yeah, if you are an object. Generally, humans are capable of regulating their behavior rather than relying on reflexive contrarianism.
So... "why did he take a really long detour mocking trans people to make an asian joke" is enough to have you behave rudely to other people?
No, this humour is just scratching the surface. Its the intolerance of not being able to express ideas because they conflict with theirs.
Its the same as it ever was really. You can say whatever you want but if you talk shit about trans people and rape victims, people aren't 1)
But he is able to. He clearly did just then.
When I disagree with a performer, I get to have my opinion just as you do. And I think Chappelle's trans bit was hackey and his jokes ---
SexualSandwich
Always enjoyed bill burr comedy
hardytardigrade
They've been edgy for years but this new focus on attacking oversensitivity is a new approach. But yes, the world has changed. It does that.
GravyTrainOnBiscuitWheels
Agreed. Although I watched both specials yesterday and found Chapelle was a little whiny about today's sensitivity while Burr exploited it
JustinBoz
Chappelle did change though, and for the worse. Burr changed too, but to call out his own behavior more often, which heightens the punchline
TheGriffin
That's part of the point. They aren't changing.
mardukkur
Chappelle always had an element of his comedy that punched down, and it was always the worst, least funny thing about his act.
harper54
w00tberrypie
Ireadtoomuch
Chappell shifted from telling jokes to anicdotal opinions. Had to stop half way though wasn't laughing and I wasn't upset 'at dem lgbqt'
kluang
WineAndRevelry
Killing Them Softly is still Chappelle's best stand up special.
kepattRunner
TAKE IT EASYYY - you’re on third street
nmhurley
I mean when your right you really are right
nmhurley
You’re*.. I did take basic English in elementary school
Downtake
No officer Dave Chappelle couldn’t have done that, I saw him master baiting in his window from 2:30 to 2:36 while holding today’s paper.
RideTheStimutacs
Hot take: His sketch comedy was much better than all of his standup.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Worst part of that show by far was his lame bits between skits
PaulVolcker
I....didnt know I couldn't do that
PoIluticorn
Wasn't that joke on Platinum Series Comedy?
thatFamilyMan
Dave, dave it's the god damn cops
PaulVolcker
Dave.....im gonna race him
MyBallsAreAsSmoothAsEggs
Apparently the police have been beating up negroes like hotcakes
1LostPuppy
See, this is why you need to have a white friend. Because when shit goes down, someone needs to talk to the cops.
WineAndRevelry
Well, let's sprinkle some crack on him and get out of here
TheManWithTheSevenScars
nfamouskingsley
Open and shut case Johnson
MiyagieOne
That sick bastard even hang pictures of himself around this house...
TheGreatWizpoo
All i know is that i liked em before and still like em now
TheBeastRabban
Hear, hear.
puddin151
i just watched both of their specials last night and enjoyed them thoroughly
ChaoticEnigma1121
"We are gathered here today to make sure everyone eats. If not each other, food." The literal opening words to one of Richard Pryor's sets
notsgnivil
“Becoming more sensitive” = less tolerance for racism, misogyny, transphobia and other bigotries.
XeononSolomon
People say sensitive. I say people have become more aware of other peoples issues and find it inappropriate to joke about that sort of thing
XeononSolomon
I havent seen the new Netflix special yet
NitherNor
But it's most important to joke about things found to be inappropriate.
Grimdude
It's this. "Sensitive" is just their way of making it sound like a bad thing
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Correct.
ChaoticEnigma1121
As someone with a fuckload of issues, the way I deal is by joking as much as possible. If you don't like jokes... don't watch the special.
Josefbugman1543
The problem is that you might not have watched it, but HOLY FUCK are you expected to have a take on it. See for instance, this post.
ChaoticEnigma1121
I refuse to have an opinion just because someone else wants me to.
XeononSolomon
I wasnt going to. Burr, Chappelle, Carlin. Their comedy was never funny to me.
ChaoticEnigma1121
Fair enough.
Galdrack
I mean that's legit the point of critics though. To watch something and review it. Very few people who wouldn't be interested in the show>
Galdrack
haven't watched it because if this. There's way more people crying about criticisms of the shows than crying about the show.
meganly
I think there’s a difference between dark humor about yourself and your experiences vs about other people and experiences you haven’t lived
DamnedAustin
Yeah, there's a fine line between "offensive" comedy and punching down on people or groups who are marginalized. The former is usually (1)
DamnedAustin
tolerated (see Tosh, Jeselnik, etc...) because you can be offensive without being tone-deaf or malicious about it. The latter usually (2)
DamnedAustin
doesn't go over very well because you're just being a mean-spirited asshole. (3/3)
snootchieebootchies
And some people find that funny and some don't. And that's ok. Tho You do realize you and others who have your same opinion can not watch it
DamnedAustin
While that's true, historically speaking, performers in the second category just don't tend to attract many fans.
XeononSolomon
I like you.
ScrooblyDoobles
1. I’m getting pretty tired of comedians constantly whining about how sensitive people are tho. It’s a small number of people on Twitter and
ScrooblyDoobles
2. Clickbait journalists looking for views. It’s so overblown. Say what you want, who cares if some cracked out SJW isn’t happy about it:
hardytardigrade
Agreed. These specials are huge smash successes, so things can't really be THAT bad. Not like they were when you got arrested for obscenity.
mialynneb
Exactly. They bitch about it to sold out shows, so.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
People who talk for a living get scared when people respond to their speech. Comedians, pundits, politicians whine about this the most.
experiencemike
I think it's because of what has the most traction. At the moment, being offended is a huge topic, thus it has traction. This negatively 1/2
experiencemike
Impacts the comedians scores as a result. It's not a direct correspondence to sjw's specifically, but they do hold power in media. 2/2
Sasarious
They are literally being paid millions yet acting as if they are being shunned at the door.
trytoburymeimseedling
They get big money and so many of their jokes are just complaints! Both spent too much time talking shit about “feminists”
RdizzyC
Many modern comedians acts depend on this victimhood mentality.
JapAnus
The problem is a loud minority can ruin you. Like how they fucked with Kevin Hart.
GinoTheIntern
By what metric has Hart been ruined?
SomeCrazyNerd
Kevin Hart's jokes were digusting and a large number of people agreed upon that
ihatesociology
Yeah and now Kevin Hart has been totally expelled from Hollywood as a result./s
yungsachi
Louis CK
ScrooblyDoobles
Sexual misconduct is a lot different than making an offensive joke. I like CK a lot, but he probably deserved what he got.
jerner15
Honestly I've seen more things online about the articles and people complaining than the actual complaints in the first place
Deathwing777
There's been a few articles from certain websites getting upset with them.
TheRumpusGumpert
The internet magnifies things. Most of the time with "controversies," almost nobody gives a fuck.
BenKrauter
It was primarily the critical reviews on RT, which at Dave at a 0% score after his special released. That's the cause of all this.
Nobanob
In Edmonton they were building a freeway around the city forEVER. When they finished a work programmed a sign to say "we done birches"
Nobanob
Angry news articles for days. As far as the online community went, it was a funny jest, and well received
TheHorseShesElbowDeepIn
Yeah, this is the complaining I've been seeing.
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
It's always this. One twitter person says something and suddenly the victim complex comes out.
ToniToobsocks
Entire videos on YouTube ,the young Turks , the rotten tomato score , various articles online are all complaining.
DefinitelynotEricTrump
rotten tomatoes is a bit funky because the critics they usually use dont review Netflix stand up specials so thinkpieces got overrepresented
Fuckweasel
It's like the 'vegan hate' thing. I see more shit from non-vegans *about* vegans than the other way around.
jerner15
And I've seen memes about it for over a month now, like my goodness anti sjw's have become more annoying than SJWs ever were
V1K1NGFVNERAL
They always were.
SarcasticComment
Lucky. Google wrongfully assumes this is what I am interested in and has been feeding me nothing but complaint material about comics.
jerner15
Did you click on the articles about the complaints? Maybe that's why google thinks you're interested in the topic?
SarcasticComment
Honestly, I click on a lot of stuff. In 10+ years of monitoring, they have no idea if my searches are serious, sarcastic, or contradictory.
Tristanisawesome
But it doesn't matter. You click. That's all they care about. They don't care about your deep down tastes in things. They care about clicks.
SarcasticComment
Fair enough, which is why I framed this in regard to the content I am seeing despite my sincere lack of interest.
nicholmikey
This is how reporting works now. A small minority complains, write an article as if it was a large group. Then later write another article -
nicholmikey
- Calling out the first group. It generates outrage that can be converted in to ad revenue. You can double dip the chip.
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
This post is the first thing I've seen about either special. To be fair I tend to avoid safe spaces for the think skinned bitches.
nobodysheretoday
Majority of complaining I've seen are straw men arguments against "PC culture".
chewybacon
Good.
MadOatmeal
Cheesecakecrush
The media is trying to create what they're writing about. Very common these days.
legion275
The reason is that you wont hear it on places with voting systems cuz the average person doesn't seem to hold that view but does criticizeit
RideTheStimutacs
This isn't a "hard to swallow pill" so much as a "heavily biased opinion with a potshot at opposing viewpoints".
GorillaPowers
I have seen ZERO actual complaints.
Deathwing777
Have you tried google? Buzzfeed and a number of other sites wrote articles about it.
iamthisguy247
I keep wondering this. Has there been an outpouring of hate on Chappelle’s special. With the exception of the RT rating I haven’t seen it>
YoutubeArchivist
Vice flat out told people not to watch it.
dewoodysautowreckin
Yes vice wrote a take down of it before it was even released.
iamthisguy247
Jukior
Twitter flooded with people who now hate dave chapelle. At least my feed was
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
Critics hate it and the consumers enjoyed it.
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
Neither side is "technically" wrong. Critics think his recent special was flat compared to his older material but the average 1/2
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
consumer doesn't really understand the joke besides "haha funny"
AxelBeingCivil
That's not hard to swallow. I was an awful person ten years ago. I've grown and learned a lot about my failings since then.
Sphinct182
"Are my jokes hackneyed? No, it is the audience who is wrong."
maathimself
Check out their Rotten Tomatoes scores. The audiences love the new specials, it's the critics that have a bone to pick.
RdizzyC
They may be separate on RT, but in reality, critics are part of the audience just like anyone else.
TheGame21x
As if the audience scores aren't being manipulated by people leaving positive "reviews" just to "stick it to the SJWs".
Irishda
Audiences loved Twilight too, so I guess you're just being a sensitive SJW if you can't handle it
crann
The thing about comedy specials is that people who will naturally enjoy them are pretty much the only people who will watch them. BUT 99% is
crann
still pretty impressive.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I mean, to be fair, that's kinda their entire job.
Grimdude
The audience score is obvious bullshit though? 99% doesn't set off any flags?
maathimself
Yes, any fact that disagrees with your opinion is obvious bullshit.
Freeflare
See, fanboying is ok as long as you understand you're doing it.
GinoTheIntern
There isn't a piece of culture in history that 99% of people like. Be real
TheFoxCouncil
Isn't it likely that it's been flooded by fans who are trying to push back against the 'outrage' by giving it good reviews?
Grimdude
That's not what I said at all though. Don't be like this. You can admit 99% is suspicious it's not that hard
Azathought
Not really suspicious. Most people who write reviews with the right opinions are accepted as critics, those who have the wrong opinions 1/
DamnedAustin
Yeah, the fact that a so-so comedy special has a 99% audience score doesn't mean the critics are wrong, it means people are rushing to (1)
DamnedAustin
defend him from critics because they're fanboys and want to "stick it to those SJW snowflakes!" (2/2)
mann0311
I agree 99% is a reaction but ita not cause stick to the snow flakes although im sure there were people who did it for that.
mann0311
I think its clearly from the initial reactions from articles from vice and twitter outrage. The converse reaction to that was way larger.
InternetAnonymityplz
It's so-so in your opinion. I agree 99% is inflated, but I don't agree that it's inflated as you seem to based on word choice. I thought
InternetAnonymityplz
it was quite funny.
HOOMANGUY
More like we became better people and they didn't
MileHighLivin
lol.
kakivara
I think you absolutely nailed the mindset of the people who get offended at anything and everything. Yeah, I guess you're just "better".
Azathought
Yup. "Am I out of touch with comedy? No, it is the comedians who are bad people."
tacticusprime
I mean, comedians also used to joke about beating their wives. It's telling that Bill Burr admits he doesn't do race jokes because 1/
tacticusprime
they aren't true. He points out that they are old hat and boring but he also specifically says they aren't true. It shines a light on 2/
tacticusprime
what a lot of comedians think *is* true. That transpeople aren't people. That victims of sexual violence are just whiners. It's interesting.
SomeCrazyNerd
YES THANK YOU. comedy includes opinion. It is not meaningless and everyone knows this.
AxelBeingCivil
Amen! Comedy has to contain a grain of truth for people to find it funny. People who shout "Gay!" at things to get a laugh can only do (1)
AxelBeingCivil
so if people think being gay is something to laugh at. The joke doesn't work if they yell something like "Brunette!" or "German!" since (2)
AxelBeingCivil
those things aren't the subject of mockery. (3)
fruityrainbowsprinkles
I love Dave but it's getting old. He's basically still saying the same type of shit over and over. Time to get some new jokes.
Josefbugman1543
He won't. Mainly because people like the OP are, to coin a phrase, signalling their virtue by supporting his "bold and edgy" stance.
SomeCrazyNerd
It's edgy chic. Take something serious, do it unseriously. Pretend it has no impact. Repeat
Josefbugman1543
The thing is, if it's turned on them and someone wears a shirt saying "Republican tears" it's suddenly THE END OF DAYS!
Carp46120
That is because we don't have much to cry about these days. There would be no reference. Political comedy has to ridicule something actual.
MileHighLivin
Chapelle fans...would be offended by a shirt against republicans? Or are you just lumping together everyone you don't like?
SomeCrazyNerd
Some fans might. Certainly the alt-righters using his content for propaganda would have reservations.
Josefbugman1543
I'm not, but in the same vein that people get all angry when it's "Them" being targetted. A shirt saying "Down with Cis?" be okay instead?
BrazilianThunderPanda
Burr & Chappell are like those business that blame millennials for killing shit, when in reality they’re not adapting to changing culture.
bChrispy
Wait, what? Bill Burr has put his specials on Netflix since forever.
NitherNor
Yeah, but that culture is shit.
realistichorsegonadbehavior
...said every single person in history when culture changes.
NitherNor
Puritanism has been tried before and can fuck off along with the regressive shits who want to bring it back with a new-age spin.
realistichorsegonadbehavior
Eat shit.
NickCyronek
Changing into a bunch of over-sensitive snowflakes...
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BrazilianThunderPanda
Why not? What’s wrong with a healthy discussion?
TheGame21x
So...they're immune to criticism?
Grimdude
No one's saying they changed though? They're saying it's just not funny anymore. People are rightfully pointing out Chappelle is stale now
atkinsongl
How is he stale? That shit was hilarious!
InternetAnonymityplz
Those people are entitled to their opinion. I personally thought his new special was great. I don't know why people can't just agree to
Carp46120
They pretty much all do eventually. Young
Carp46120
Cosby was hilarious til he went TV. Carlin (words you can't say on television) was too til he got woke. Foxworthy, Larry the Cable Guy....
kakivara
Those people need to move on then and not worry about what other people like. Just let people enjoy things.
bout2callbovice
It's just critique. It's just like saying "I thought S8 of Game of Thrones was bad." Comedians are the thin-skinned ones who can't take it.
Grimdude
It's this. Seinfeld bitching that he can't book college gigs is a him problem not a society one
bout2callbovice
Absolutely. I'll bet Jaboukie Young-White or John Mulaney have no problem playing college shows.
bout2callbovice
Ppl like Dave and Burr want to tell stale jokes or pander to an anti-SJW crowd but can't handle it when people call them out for being lazy.
kakivara
No, that's not it. The criticism is not that their jokes are stale or lazy. And I didn't think so watching the special, either.
Taxonomyanomaly
I never see these so called “over-sensitive SJWs” I only every see people complaining about them... suspicious.
kheltan
agreed. Ever read the book Trigger Warning? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMgMr0JcYJ4
DamnYouMongorians
Oh, they're out there. Can't avoid it in Seattle.
onlysingalone
It's because you dont have to deal with them on a daily basis, if you were in my neighborhood, you would be horrified
onlysingalone
It is very very real man....
zemthemattress
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/59ngpb/you-can-definitely-skip-dave-chappelles-new-netflix-special-sticks-and-stones
youcantdothatontv
You could have just liked to vice.com in general and that would have been enough
puddin151
I have met a few, its trippy how out of touch with reality they are
RideTheStimutacs
That's because their definition of "over-sensitive" is "anyone mildly against me being an asshole with no concept of social consequences".
JapAnus
I made the mistake of looking up Chappelle on Google, and found several sjw's writing articles about he's now "problematic" and shit
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
I see them all the time here on imgur and social media, and thats not even leaving my couch
GreatOdinsTaint
Depends on where you're at. I work in mental health and boy oh boy are they rampant. I think it's rare among regular folks.
quesofundido
The "anti PC"/"don't tread on my freedom of speech!!" crowd needs things to blame to so their sensibilities aren't revealed to be worthless
DickGenie
Check out the usual suspects--Vice, Buzzfeed, etc. Rotten Tomatoes early on gave a 0% score. Dude, just google and you'll see more.
Shmeadicus
They definitely do exist. Be thankful you don't encounter them. They're as awful as they sound.
pronoun
Google it, there are literally pages of articles.
illegalmangos
I think it’s fine to play around w the line like most comedians do. I didn’t like Chappell’s stuff cause his jokes are w mal intent attimes
DRUMS11
Come over to Reddit and cruise through some select subreddits - these people exist and they're nuts.
ThirtySix
Their extreme is still much better than the other extreme (basically 4chan). On the spectrum of SJW to 4Chan, id rather be closer to the SJW
Azathought
I'd rather not be on either extreme, but then I get labeled an eNLiGhTeNeD CeNtRiSt.
RideTheStimutacs
If you're going to cite Reddit about nuts, you can't just cherry-pick, because there are a LOT of "select subreddits" on the other end.
GGCrono
They're a boogeyman. Someone to point at and complain about because you're getting called on being an edgelord.
mann0311
Thats not true at all ive been around people who legitmently dont like chappelle after his specials.
DannycakesOW
That's not true though, they're just not interacting with you and your social bubbles. They're very real and more common than you think.
CheekyBreeki
"but what about my free speech!?" - KillTheJews1488
JapAnus
Honk honk
ReverseCard
Found the fash. Cool. See they're actually real, which is like really sad
JapAnus
Where'd you find him or her? I've never come across an actual fascist.
CheekyBreeki
Found the /pol/ user.
JapAnus
Nah I don't fuck with that shit.
CheekyBreeki
*scum
V1K1NGFVNERAL
I love Dave. He's one of my favorite comedians of all time. But the trans joke in the last special sounded like someone else. Only time...
CrazyGuyOnABike
His views on trans people have always been garbage.
aleakyhousesinks
This guy gets it. I like Chappelle but I wish he wouldn't encourage or spread his own ignorance and confusion about trans people
V1K1NGFVNERAL
...I've ever cringed watching him. It's not a big deal, I was just put off by it. When you have a public platform, people...
V1K1NGFVNERAL
...hear what you say, and they repeat it. That's one reason he stepped away for a while, people coming up to him and his family in public...
V1K1NGFVNERAL
...screaming lines from his show, even if it was inappropriate, and even if it wasn't something a white person should be repeating. When...
V1K1NGFVNERAL
...I see him making that trans joke, I see a bunch of people he does not like and he does not agree with politically screaming it at trans..
V1K1NGFVNERAL
...people, or even Asians. The wrong people will be repeating that one. That's why I didn't like hearing it. Now there's encouragement...
TheRealAlpharius
Miguelxdz
Great straw man dude, good quality fallacy.
YourMomsNewBoyfriend
Holy fucks that’s good. Burr literally didn’t make it one minute without saying “are you triggered”. So disappointed.
GGCrono
Commenting so I can find this again later. Also: https://twitter.com/dorrismccomics/status/1110937838441451524
HeroOfKvatch1
TheRealAlpharius
It's you! The hero of Kvatch!
Sphinct182
By azura, by azura, by azura!
DamnedAustin
Well this is fucking great.
xKaraKx
warlockaflocka
So he is being censored yet paid heaps to perform said offensive jokes? I don't see how he's being censored in any way
xKaraKx
Attempted censoring
PaladinAstro
TheRealAlpharius
NitherNor
Unbarring
Josefbugman1543
Hey, quick thing, you know that the Imperium are the baddies right? So is everyone else, but still.
Xaldyn
That sounds like heretic talk to me.
PaladinAstro
NitherNor
The point is the Imperium are the good guys by virtue of being less bad for *humans* than all the other options.
Dagordae
No, the point is that EVERYONE is the bad guys. The opening blurb is not subtle, the Imperium’s just as bad as everyone else. 40k has no
Dagordae
Good guys, just bad guys and other bad guys(with more spikes). The Tau are the closest you get to a good guy faction, and they’re utterly
Carp46120
Did I miss something? Who is this Imperium? Romans?
carrotsonfire
Tau are pretty good for humans. The rumours about sterilisation are just Imperial propaganda.
Josefbugman1543
Disagree. If our only means of survival is Fascist theocracy then everything good about humanity is already dead.
NitherNor
But 'everything good about humanity' isn't dead, it's gained sentience and is trying to take over the universe.
MagusUnion
misterbeppo
And people being generally less cool with making fun of LGBTs is a... bad thing?
kakivara
Every group deserves to be made fun of for something. He didn't make fun of their defining characteristics though, that wasn't the joke.
SomeCrazyNerd
He kinda did. What do you think that I identify as asian joke was making fun of?
MileHighLivin
I think the point was how unusual it can seem when men identify as women and vice versa.
AnAsOfYetUnidentifiedIndividual
"He's not making fun of transpeople for their defining characteristic he's just making fun of the way people identify as a different gender"
SomeCrazyNerd
Yes "unusual" when "men" "identify" as women. Do you see what's leery about that?
MileHighLivin
I don't get your point. He was "acting asian" for the joke. Would it have been better if he did the usual white guy voice to make it work?
kakivara
He was pointing out that it's a funny situation when someone decides they were born in the wrong body. That there's humor in it. But yeah,
kakivara
he was joking about the defining characteristic of the Ts.
SomeCrazyNerd
"The ts" is a very slurr-y way to refer to people
SomeCrazyNerd
Dude you just said he wasn't.
84rabbitgti
Honestly i feel like im going crazy these days, i cant handle how sensitive ppl are. It makes me even more vulgar then i would have been.
cutedeadfox
I can see that at work. It's crazy
mardukkur
Don't be so sensitive you pussy.
Taxonomyanomaly
So you can’t handle how sensitive people are? Almost like.. you are too sensitive?
ReverseCard
HonestBendersOrphanarium
Than*
AxelBeingCivil
"It's your fault I'm an asshole!"
Newlife5454
Aye, fuck you, mate.
Bruhbeans
Meh, it's mostly social media posts and clickbait articles that promote this image. In real life I haven't noticed a difference
remko
This. Stop getting your news from Facebook, MSN and other social media with 'news feeds'.
SarcasticComment
To put it in perspective. Some people are currently upset with a child eating demonic murder clown not being enough of an LGBTQ ally.
herkyth
Explain how pennywise is a hater please
SarcasticComment
There have been more than enough articles written about this for you to go to the source, and read what the authors have to say.
herkyth
But I’m lazy and we’re best friends. Halp
SarcasticComment
Fine. Basically the evil murder clown hunts these characters like everyone else. Uses their personal fears surrounding being LGBTQ.
Irishda
Probably because you're not funny and no one likes you
opetchas
People were always offended, just now we have platforms to hear them on a larger scale.
SprungLake
The internet lets you see who's offended. People don't really say if they're NOT offended by something
iamthisguy247
Well in some ways they do, but they usually do so by directing it at those who were offended by calling them SJWs, overly-sensitive, etc.>
iamthisguy247
CarnivorousRabbit
Maybe we should start. I'll begin: I'm not offended by this idea.
CaptainWolfsburg
I'm so not triggered that I need an unsafe space.
GreasyFartKnocker
Also not offended
PaladinAstro
I, too, find myself whelmed.
TalkingSnake
Could that make you the sensitive one?
84rabbitgti
Very well could be, but for every action in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction.
FourLegsGood
In your case it would be an overreaction, daffodil.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
Self-control is a thing.
Dagordae
Yeah, if you are an object. Generally, humans are capable of regulating their behavior rather than relying on reflexive contrarianism.
TalkingSnake
So... "why did he take a really long detour mocking trans people to make an asian joke" is enough to have you behave rudely to other people?
84rabbitgti
No, this humour is just scratching the surface. Its the intolerance of not being able to express ideas because they conflict with theirs.
aleakyhousesinks
Its the same as it ever was really. You can say whatever you want but if you talk shit about trans people and rape victims, people aren't 1)
V1K1NGFVNERAL
But he is able to. He clearly did just then.
TalkingSnake
When I disagree with a performer, I get to have my opinion just as you do. And I think Chappelle's trans bit was hackey and his jokes ---