He demonstrated in a very modern way how you could defeat pikes with sword. Maybe he watched: How Roman tactics OBLITERATED enemy spear units https://youtu.be/9X1En_N_4RA?t=82
Probably censor, the way he seized up instead of collapsing too, proper hit on the back of the neck like that? But Idk, I'm not a doctor but there's a reason they tell you to protect your head AND neck
Grandpa been around the block and rode in a couple rodeos or got lucky. Perfect swing right to the sweet spot. Kind a guy who you might see wearing a cauldron as a hat.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm pretty sure we just watched a dude die or at least live the rest of his life as a vegetable. Both arm and leg movements like that indicate brain damage, and rather severe at that.
Fucking terrifying to see. Good for everyone to know to recognize, check breathing and pulse and stay ready to administer CPR. Rough fucking PSA to stumble across.
Don't administer CPR, you will leave your friend immobilized under most circumstances. Spinal/nervous system injury means call 911 and do not touch them under any circumstance. {Sorry- sorry- sorry} Scout coming through, and I assume something better has been discovered since I learned.
I know there's open debate on the topic, different regions teach different standards and the old standard of prioritizing stabilization of the spinal column is being phased out in favor of assisting circulation, kind of like the standard to give rescue breaths is too. Next decade standards might shift again, unfortunately we don't have data to work off of until people are hurt. :<
Oh dang! That dude took a tall dive into a shallow pool! Go all christopher reeves! Rollin with the hawkins! After rewwtching he could be with reeves and hawkins!
Boys on the Side (1995) - Whoopi Goldberg as Jane Holly: Did I hurt him? Jane: What do you mean did you hurt him, you hit him with a bat! You hit him in the head with a baseball bat. He's dead.
"Decerebrate posturing indicates brain stem damage, specifically damage below the level of the red nucleus (e.g. mid-collicular lesion). It is exhibited by people with lesions or compression in the midbrain and lesions in the cerebellum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing#Decerebrate
It definitely was... taking out a leg, or the arm with the knife would have been enough... A full force swing from over his head, at the other guy's head... excessive.
Looking at the vid, I would wager he had no idea he picked a fight with 3 people and frankly that they only swung once and kind of half assed, well that is his lucky day.
Not only outnumbered, but out-ranged. Dude has a 4 inch blade and facing off against 3 guys with quarterstaves. This was never going to end well for him.
You can analyze this all about ranges of weapons and such but the real moral here is don't attack someone with friends that are willing to go to bat for you.
its stupid to go up against a spear unless your really know what youre doing, and its still very stupid to do. its unbelievably stupid to not know what youre doing and going up against several spears that have you surrounded.
Spears are terrible in isolation. If pre-slug there really wanted to fight instead of just posture he would have grabbed it with one hand and pulled it towards and to the side of himself - spear holder then has two options: 1. Let go, meaning no weapon or 2. Hold on, meaning he gets pulled into stabbing range.
This was nothing to do with spear/polearm vs knife but idiotic tube warden vs 4 not idiots
You sound very confident in your extremely faulty understanding. Spears work very well in isolation. It’s takes a skilled person with a sword or similar to take down a moderately competent spear user.
The real downside to spears is they are a pain to carry around or do anything other than fight with.
The reason spears are often seen in groups in historical context is that they go from strong to OP with numbers.
Spears remained the default weapon for most of human history for a reason.
I've fought in mock medieval battles, my experience is very different to yours. Knock it to the side, step inside range, and it's all over unless they rapidly backpedal, and even then they are off balance. In this instance it's not even a proper spear, it's more like a large staff, which is even more limited.
Spears were used in large groups because they require very little training, are cheap to produce, and are effective in large numbers *particularly* against cavalry and charges.
Oh, had the knife guy actually attacked then he could have taken 2-3 of them out easily. That pipe was a terrible choice of weapon that just accidentally got a crit success.
It is hard to say exactly what would happen here as there was only the one attack that was made in earnest and I doubt that anybody had any actual training in a weapon.
It's entirely likely that the guy with a pipe might break the guy's rib while the knife guy charges in and stabs him. Knife wounds are no joke - like they say, in a knife fight the loser dies in the street and the winner dies on the surgeon's table.
Quarterstaffs are light, quick, responsive weapons. That pipe is none of those. I am not against staves, just those in particular.
A knife is also a bad matchup against an unexperienced staff user. They can just dive inside your effective range and stab you repeatedly to death in moments. His friends would barely have time to react before he would be mortally wounded.
My qualm is not with the skill of the individuals, even though that also factors, but that the metal pipe on display is clearly a very suboptimal weapon unlike normal staff weapons.
Ignoring that they got a lucky hit in, they would arguably be safer and more effective just using their fists and feet.
Look how awkwardly they wield the pipes. Look how he could not keep hold it up and drop the tip to the ground. Look how slow the strike from behind is as if its a massive object.
Those things are heavy, slow and unwieldly and the guy with the knife is like a step or two away. Have you seen how quickly a normal person can stab with a knife? Once in the stomach is already a critical injury, 10 times? You are lucky if you live long enough to see an ambulance.
Any time you see a blow to the head dropping the recipient in one go, there’s a strong chance you’re looking at a TBI. With an object as aweapon? Almost a certainty.
Based on what looks like is gonna turn into a decerebrate posture as soon as he hits the ground, damage to the brain stem at least. He's probably not living a good life now, if he did survive.
Did some Lonely Digging and found the dude had a concussion and potentially a broken jaw - according to community and local updates. Worker wasn't sued or prosecuted as it was a case of 'lawful self defence and public intervention'
Hopefully not but also, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Either way that was a solid hit and he went to sleep, and that's never a good sign for the sleeper.
Gotta love armchair doctors analyzing a few seconds of video like they have the radiology department in front of them, or even know what they're talking about short of hearing "fencing pose" in passing.
Trauma doctor here. It's called "Decerebrate Posturing" (fencing pose is different) and your somewhat snide comment against the people saying, TBI over "a few seconds of video" is off the mark. That's a potentially mortal brain stem injury. It's obvious from the limbs, hands, and feet in the last couple of seconds of video. Anybody who has taken first aid should recognize it, as well as fencing pose. Decorticate Pose can be more subtle, but those 2 are easy and obvious.
1. Fencing pose was said as its the usual reference people immediately say on stuff like this, hence the "in passing" part, as people repeat buzzwords they hear often.
2. Yes, armchair Imgur / reddit doctors diagnosing things off a few seconds of video is off the mark. There's a reason unlicensed / out of jurisdiction medical diagnosis is something actual doctors don't do, full stop.
3. There's a potential for basically anything here. Justifying a medical diagnosis from a few frames is poorly
Wait, what's the difference between decerebrate and fencing? I'm not familiar with decerebrate posture. I can go google it if you don't feel like trying to explain in 500 characters as well.
Look into the Glasgow Coma Scale, this could be a score of 3, worst possible score, already near dead, from 3-15. Heart and lungs might arest, be prepared to administer CPR.
I have a little bit of formal education on this matter and a single still image of that involuntary, reflexive posture is frightening. If you see it get the subject immediate medical attention, that life might already be beyond saving but immediate intervention could be their only hope.
Love the story Les tells, about how they opened for U2 and the U2 fans where shocked about the "Primus sucks" shouts and said "How rude, give them a chance.", not knowing that's the official way Primus Fans show their love for the band.
StopTheWorldIWannaGetOff
So, on the upside: a happy ending. The dude didn't die. Concussion and maybe a broken jaw. Worker wasn't sued or prosecuted.
jerusalemspider
Rule number one of a knife fight: don't.
Rule number two: don't show your blade to the opponent until it's inside them.
villasonico
a hard reset
Jaysen
"Goodnight Gracie."
VodkaReindeer
He demonstrated in a very modern way how you could defeat pikes with sword. Maybe he watched:
How Roman tactics OBLITERATED enemy spear units https://youtu.be/9X1En_N_4RA?t=82
Pinky135
Man, your comment was ripped by a bot, got downvoted and the bot is the top comment... This is ass.
BillHubbard
Why does his head turn grey...?
iamthemurray
Probably censor, the way he seized up instead of collapsing too, proper hit on the back of the neck like that? But Idk, I'm not a doctor but there's a reason they tell you to protect your head AND neck
vampire49
idiotsonfire
Its a really, really dogshit camera. Also could be artifacting from uploading.
idiotsonfire
Or a censoring artifact.
jwalker1330
[windows-power-off.wav]
zeacorzeppelin10
https://youtu.be/Gb6XdhEqPVc?is=IRgDO5sgxdNYdEum
KAPTKipper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENa4dTrnMsc
slightlybrokenegg
Grandpa been around the block and rode in a couple rodeos or got lucky. Perfect swing right to the sweet spot. Kind a guy who you might see wearing a cauldron as a hat.
slightlybrokenegg
Okay I watched it again. He definitely knows what he is doing. Just the stance before he jumped into action is pure aura.
sevro77
Stealth polearm build is OP.
sjester42
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm pretty sure we just watched a dude die or at least live the rest of his life as a vegetable. Both arm and leg movements like that indicate brain damage, and rather severe at that.
antikytherion
Fucking terrifying to see. Good for everyone to know to recognize, check breathing and pulse and stay ready to administer CPR. Rough fucking PSA to stumble across.
sjester42
Don't administer CPR, you will leave your friend immobilized under most circumstances. Spinal/nervous system injury means call 911 and do not touch them under any circumstance. {Sorry- sorry- sorry} Scout coming through, and I assume something better has been discovered since I learned.
antikytherion
I know there's open debate on the topic, different regions teach different standards and the old standard of prioritizing stabilization of the spinal column is being phased out in favor of assisting circulation, kind of like the standard to give rescue breaths is too. Next decade standards might shift again, unfortunately we don't have data to work off of until people are hurt. :<
fformulaa
Oh dang! That dude took a tall dive into a shallow pool! Go all christopher reeves! Rollin with the hawkins! After rewwtching he could be with reeves and hawkins!
zeacorzeppelin10
Hes gonna need some coloring books
fformulaa
I want some tastey crayons!
AHundredBillionBottles
Boys on the Side (1995) - Whoopi Goldberg as Jane
Holly: Did I hurt him? Jane: What do you mean did you hurt him, you hit him with a bat! You hit him in the head with a baseball bat. He's dead.
Arguile
I want this with the windows turning off sound
vampire49
About halfway through I thought knife guy was going to get nutted.
drums4lyfe
Pipe down over there!
zeacorzeppelin10
Clang
Hootykai
Now that we have your attention...... do you have an extended car warranty?
EatYourSoylentGreenAndShutUp
Aluminium
karcain
oh, they killed him. fun.
moonshadowkati
How can you tell?
OatmealChocolateChipCookies
"Decerebrate posturing indicates brain stem damage, specifically damage below the level of the red nucleus (e.g. mid-collicular lesion). It is exhibited by people with lesions or compression in the midbrain and lesions in the cerebellum." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abnormal_posturing#Decerebrate
hyperchondriac
Brain stem damage tracks. The blow lands at the base of his skull.
Jamnew60
Goodnight Shirley.
revasseur
Does anybody know what he's saying?
flordelasantillas
Worst case spinal cord injury, fracture of one or more cervicals. For sure he'll have a super headache.
Miller16of16
It was the humane thing to do.
ScrippyChan
Should've just given him a nice, firm poke to the gut, instead of giving him all that fucking time to THROW the knife.
antikytherion
Disarm, disable with minimum force necessary. This was likely excessive force, difficult to watch.
GoneThenBackAgain
It definitely was... taking out a leg, or the arm with the knife would have been enough... A full force swing from over his head, at the other guy's head... excessive.
ScrippyChan
Yup.
SocoFox
Hit him so hard he turned grayscale.
InfocalypseRising
More crucially don't start a fight when you're outnumbered three to one
rockmanx853000
Better have eyes on the back of your head
revasseur
There are at least five pipe wielders there.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
(lightheartedly)
DSREX
Looking at the vid, I would wager he had no idea he picked a fight with 3 people and frankly that they only swung once and kind of half assed, well that is his lucky day.
karcain
doesnt matter if its half assed when its a 6 foot lever to the back of the head
DSREX
Yeah if he did put effort in it, it would be evidence at the trial.
unluckyandbored
Not only outnumbered, but out-ranged. Dude has a 4 inch blade and facing off against 3 guys with quarterstaves. This was never going to end well for him.
massdefect3
Dropped like a turd from a tall cow’s ass.
Casually
You can analyze this all about ranges of weapons and such but the real moral here is don't attack someone with friends that are willing to go to bat for you.
killergrooves85
We need to put this one into Deadliest Warrior for an in-depth exploration.
zeacorzeppelin10
You can to the wrong neighborhood!
cokebot9000
FrankGrenadine
“Go to bat”. Nice
Casually
I realized the pun as I was typing it and decided to proceed with it anyway.
gingen
Embrace the pun! For there is nothing to fear.
HydraNine
Flanking bonus.
aslum
Yeah I feel like the Odds were the determining factor here - I wouldn't want to fight 7 guys with knives even if i was armed with a huge pipe.
ProjectDA
its stupid to go up against a spear unless your really know what youre doing, and its still very stupid to do. its unbelievably stupid to not know what youre doing and going up against several spears that have you surrounded.
Agouti
Spears are terrible in isolation. If pre-slug there really wanted to fight instead of just posture he would have grabbed it with one hand and pulled it towards and to the side of himself - spear holder then has two options: 1. Let go, meaning no weapon or 2. Hold on, meaning he gets pulled into stabbing range.
This was nothing to do with spear/polearm vs knife but idiotic tube warden vs 4 not idiots
frozenlake247
You sound very confident in your extremely faulty understanding. Spears work very well in isolation. It’s takes a skilled person with a sword or similar to take down a moderately competent spear user.
The real downside to spears is they are a pain to carry around or do anything other than fight with.
The reason spears are often seen in groups in historical context is that they go from strong to OP with numbers.
Spears remained the default weapon for most of human history for a reason.
Agouti
I've fought in mock medieval battles, my experience is very different to yours. Knock it to the side, step inside range, and it's all over unless they rapidly backpedal, and even then they are off balance. In this instance it's not even a proper spear, it's more like a large staff, which is even more limited.
Spears were used in large groups because they require very little training, are cheap to produce, and are effective in large numbers *particularly* against cavalry and charges.
bekkayya
tend to agree. theres a reason they went and make spikier spears with more sharp bits
jsexton
More quarterstaff than spear but the point (ha!) stands.
69thStPepper
It was an iffy prospect one-on-one if the guy with the pipe was serious about it, doing it surrounded is just insane
Casually
There are many stories that end with someone doing a headcount on the number of friends someone has on hand and deciding to back down.
BarryTheCyborg
And multitudes more where they don't!
CSG3041250
yes but sane people rarely wield knives against aluminum pipers
Dasnekones
Oh, had the knife guy actually attacked then he could have taken 2-3 of them out easily. That pipe was a terrible choice of weapon that just accidentally got a crit success.
abmoraz
We all roll a nat-20 at some time
Paintedmithra
The Quarterstaff would like a word. If at all competent you could mess up a guy with a knife easily.
Casually
It is hard to say exactly what would happen here as there was only the one attack that was made in earnest and I doubt that anybody had any actual training in a weapon.
pgdave
It's entirely likely that the guy with a pipe might break the guy's rib while the knife guy charges in and stabs him. Knife wounds are no joke - like they say, in a knife fight the loser dies in the street and the winner dies on the surgeon's table.
Dasnekones
Quarterstaffs are light, quick, responsive weapons. That pipe is none of those. I am not against staves, just those in particular.
A knife is also a bad matchup against an unexperienced staff user. They can just dive inside your effective range and stab you repeatedly to death in moments. His friends would barely have time to react before he would be mortally wounded.
Paintedmithra
Note I said "competent". I've messed around with a staff for a bit and would have felt confidant in that situation I'd come away unscathed.
Dasnekones
My qualm is not with the skill of the individuals, even though that also factors, but that the metal pipe on display is clearly a very suboptimal weapon unlike normal staff weapons.
Ignoring that they got a lucky hit in, they would arguably be safer and more effective just using their fists and feet.
ChippinStrata
Aluminum pipes would have all of that? And he could just jab to the face and fuck him up
Dasnekones
Look how awkwardly they wield the pipes. Look how he could not keep hold it up and drop the tip to the ground. Look how slow the strike from behind is as if its a massive object.
Those things are heavy, slow and unwieldly and the guy with the knife is like a step or two away. Have you seen how quickly a normal person can stab with a knife? Once in the stomach is already a critical injury, 10 times? You are lucky if you live long enough to see an ambulance.
This matchup is not even close.
ThatOtherGirlYouKnow
I hope not, but... Could legit be dead based on strike location.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZDAwZDlpZmtvanRoZTB2Y3d1em43N28zbzF1aHZreXVqMGlwZzhwZyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Y7Oklui6yB1uMHxfjp/200w.webp
Bigemedic
The posturing is concerning, yes.
countbassy
He’s not dead! He’s restin’
DocZero
pining for the fjords
Atraun
Immediate posturing… definite serious head injury
LordHosk
He's not dead, hes exhausted time to throw a pokeball at him.
JohnSatclaire
These things happen when you wave a deadly weapon around.
CobraCommander1981
Homeboy introduced a deadly weapon into the mix. If he is dead, that's on him.
pyroshen
Yes, it was likely deserved, but I don't really wanna watch people causally die.
SchmuseTigger
100%. They way he was knocked out the absolute least and minimum would be some form of brain damage and a possible broken skull.
lynxrufuscalifornicus
Any time you see a blow to the head dropping the recipient in one go, there’s a strong chance you’re looking at a TBI. With an object as aweapon? Almost a certainty.
RichardPenne
They guy that hit him probably did not mean to kill him.
ImurevJourhein
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1dG1sdDZybTdzcjhvcHBmZnQxYmYyYmkyODlzempwZHZncWJud2QwZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/cO39srN2EUIRaVqaVq/200w.webp
The11thPlague
Yeah, I really did not need to see that.
zeacorzeppelin10
I hope not, I got this from reddit
xL0opx
Based on what looks like is gonna turn into a decerebrate posture as soon as he hits the ground, damage to the brain stem at least. He's probably not living a good life now, if he did survive.
StopTheWorldIWannaGetOff
Did some Lonely Digging and found the dude had a concussion and potentially a broken jaw - according to community and local updates. Worker wasn't sued or prosecuted as it was a case of 'lawful self defence and public intervention'
zeacorzeppelin10
Ouch.
ADHDinkubus
Hopefully not but also, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Either way that was a solid hit and he went to sleep, and that's never a good sign for the sleeper.
The11thPlague
Hitting that spot means hitting to kill.
veroniDiver
Decerebrate posturing. If he's not dead, he is in a very bad shape.
fractalsphere
Yeah notice the way the feet and hands curl in? That's a brain trauma injury.
The11thPlague
Brain stem, the thing you need to breathe.
sapphirelabsx
Gotta love armchair doctors analyzing a few seconds of video like they have the radiology department in front of them, or even know what they're talking about short of hearing "fencing pose" in passing.
mozi4042
Trauma doctor here. It's called "Decerebrate Posturing" (fencing pose is different) and your somewhat snide comment against the people saying, TBI over "a few seconds of video" is off the mark. That's a potentially mortal brain stem injury. It's obvious from the limbs, hands, and feet in the last couple of seconds of video.
Anybody who has taken first aid should recognize it, as well as fencing pose. Decorticate Pose can be more subtle, but those 2 are easy and obvious.
sapphirelabsx
1. Fencing pose was said as its the usual reference people immediately say on stuff like this, hence the "in passing" part, as people repeat buzzwords they hear often.
2. Yes, armchair Imgur / reddit doctors diagnosing things off a few seconds of video is off the mark. There's a reason unlicensed / out of jurisdiction medical diagnosis is something actual doctors don't do, full stop.
3. There's a potential for basically anything here. Justifying a medical diagnosis from a few frames is poorly
Moose79
Sense when do you need to be a doctor to determine
Head hit hard = brain not happy
Atomic2
Is he on here? Is he taking medical advice from imgur comments? Nobody is pretending to be a doctor here, just having a conversation.
Frostedjakes
This is decerebrate posturing which indicates a severe upper brain stem injury, not a fencing response.
One does not need to be a doctor to tell the difference, nor to recognize it for what it is.
wabitgirl
Wait, what's the difference between decerebrate and fencing? I'm not familiar with decerebrate posture. I can go google it if you don't feel like trying to explain in 500 characters as well.
sapphirelabsx
Whatever you say bud, good to know telehealth has evolved to the point of diagnosis on 17 frames.
sapphirelabsx
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MGwyZGhoNGUxbHZzcWxjNDRta3ljem51dW1jZDVjcGdlMW1vYjFvbCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/CCnGOgUZPKnXSmCrnS/200w.webp
antikytherion
Look into the Glasgow Coma Scale, this could be a score of 3, worst possible score, already near dead, from 3-15. Heart and lungs might arest, be prepared to administer CPR.
antikytherion
I have a little bit of formal education on this matter and a single still image of that involuntary, reflexive posture is frightening. If you see it get the subject immediate medical attention, that life might already be beyond saving but immediate intervention could be their only hope.
PutItInNeutral
So I kissed him upside the cranium with an aluminum baseball bat.
My name is Mud.
RibbleTPibits
https://i.imgur.com/ylb0HDk
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
Six foot two, and rude as hell
I got to get him in the ground before he starts to smell
My name is Mud
zeacorzeppelin10
It makes a muffled clink
ferso
Primus sucks
Futurespike
My my, if it isn't Aloysius Devadander Abercromb himself...
HandoB4Javert
Foiled again.
flashums
Blum, blum, flap. Blum. Blum. Flap.
wiregeek
INSERT BASS PLAYER ACTUALLY BEING FUCKING USEFUL FOR ONCE HERE
lpooptoomuch
what do you call this then?
wiregeek
That's RHCP, they are not mortal men.
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
Flea is the only bassist legally qualified to do this. He has earned that right.
digitreal
Primus sucks.
PutItInNeutral
This guy knows.
steelundecided
Herb. You're Late.
bigleciezki
Love the story Les tells, about how they opened for U2 and the U2 fans where shocked about the "Primus sucks" shouts and said "How rude, give them a chance.", not knowing that's the official way Primus Fans show their love for the band.
azazyel
Thanks for your opinion, oh and for you
MapleSyrupMafia
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
IgnatiusTheSaint
LinemanMatt
azazyel
wouldn't be the first time
Orein
All you need to know to understand the joke is that Primus sucks.
MustardDuck
It is a tricky one. From a more civilized time.