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I was working as a direct support professional in a home that I believe did not have proper safety measures in place. I was supporting two violent adult men and was left alone in the house for hours at a time. One of the men was known for trying to sexually assault female staff. The other was known for physically assaulting staff. This all happened because he didn’t have the snacks he wanted. First I was cornered in the hallway, then hit in the face, and while trying to block my face he saw the opportunity and bit down hard. Thank god I was wearing a light jacket, otherwise I think I might have a chunk missing from my arm. He didn’t release for a good 30 seconds, as I was pleading for him to let go. After he let go I ran to the office and locked myself in. I called the manager on-call and said I needed to be relieved so I could go to the hospital. At first they tried to tell me no one could relieve me but eventually a VERY pregnant woman showed up. I hope she was safe. I don’t know, I never went back.
At the hospital getting my shots.
The muscle was bruised and sore for 6 months after the bite.
When I first started, an older lady was training me and showed me all of the bite/scratch scars she had acquired over the many years of working there. She warned that I would get bit eventually. Not an “if” but “when”. We are trained for this kind of attack, I thought I could handle myself. I couldn’t believe this poor woman, who loved the men she cared for, still wanted to stick around. Apparently her family begged her to leave the job, but she refused. A couple years later, I see an article that she was found in the bathroom covered in blood and with a broken neck. She died a few days later in the hospital. The family is trying to sue, I haven’t really seen many updates about it. The worst part? He didn’t face any criminal charges and still lives in the same house. I’ve been through a lot with the people I’ve supported over the last decade, but I’ve never ever resented any of them before. I hate this man. Here’s an article of the incident. ETA a better news article: https://www.bluemountaineagle.com/news/the-death-of-bobbie-kolada-part-1-did-somebody-do-this-to-her/article_e7e1ce36-e470-536d-8f41-2fe250edd591.html This is a 5 part series that discusses the journalistic investigation that was completed about the attack on my Co-worker.
MaryAlicexoxo
IN-FUCKING-SANE
VyseN
I once had a patient put me in a headlock and shove his thumb into my eye. I'm a large guy myself, but at that point I couldn't think clearly and just held his hand so he couldn't pull my eye out as he said he would. I can't remember how long it took for me to see out of that eye again, but on bad days I can almost feel the moving thumb scratching the side of my eyeball. I was saved by a work mate who in a panic to save me, punched the patient in the head. That was my New Years night 2021.
zubax
Jesus fuck. Emotional uppercut wasn't on my bingo card today but here we are. I hope you are doing ok mentally. Thats some crazy shit.
LaFlamme4182
Well, I wouldn’t say I’m mentally well but that’s not in relation to this event lol. Thank though, I appreciate you caring for a stranger on the internet. :)
Lunaticsyren
My sister works for what SHOULD be a skilled nursing facility. They fly under the radar and are privately owned so they don't have to pay workers as much as they should be, which is absurd since they charge a ton to keep the residents. She has been physically assaulted before, and I keep telling her to report these things, or leave before she is seriously hurt. They have a "3 strikes" policy ..which I still think is too lenient.
OhIfIMust
Friend told me of a colleague who lost a chunk of her forearm to a bite; dude didn't get his Cheetos quickly enough.
LaFlamme4182
I can’t imagine. A lot of human bites lead to infection and eventually amputation. The guy that bit me had put poop in his mouth not long before biting me. I’m pretty sure the jacket saved me from potentially losing my arm.
HumansArePrettyNeat
These things happen in high-risk group homes often. I'm sorry you had this happen and I'm glad you got away.
Bonana
Very similar company in Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. "Passavant" claims non-profit but is only profit focused.
OhIfIMust
Non-profit just means that the executives take it all in pay.
Krashtestdummy
That bites
kathlTvVillain
Please NEVER go back there, Why is there no security guards there . And that poor woman, may she rest in peace. 🌹.
TheDino
My youngest brother(an adult) is like this at home to my parents and they are considering sending him to a home like that. He's so strong and I had to fight him once, I'm so worried he's going to kill one of my parents before they finally decide to put him in a home like that. I wish there were better options.
tantallous
I applied for this sort of job right before covid lockdowns started. Talked to the person for a while and was still interested but then they said it only paid 11/hr. I'm just like.. this is a worthwhile job and I would be doing something good but I literally cannot afford that. Add in the danger and I don't see how they could get anyone to work there.
GreatOdinsTaint
I used to work in places like this and I have dozens of horror stories. The common factor is that the leadership or management NEVER cared about care staff safety. We were always treated as expendable and when systemic safety concerns were raised we were always blamed for the problem. I had co-workers get held hostage with sharp objects at their throat, stabbed with scissors, sexually assaulted, multiple facial fractures, you name it. These agencies are BUSINESSES and you're just a meat shield.
richardstinks
One staff member on overnight shifts just SOUNDS like a violation, especially in that situation. I've worked solo overnights in shelters, but those folks were living more independently. When it was kids, there were very specific staffing ratios based on age.
In the hospital on the psych floor, we had panic buttons we wore with our badges so we could get assistance at any time.
minipancho94
You see, those things cost $$ and that cuts into shareholder profits. Most of those nurses can't work elsewhere for various reasons, so they'll never complain. And as long as medicare/little Timmy is financing my 3rd yacht, we won't dump his grandma onto the street with all her belongings in garbage bags and lock the doors behind her so she can't even call him for a pick up. I'm sadly not even being sarcastic, just not weaseling around the shit they actually pull. It's vile.
LaFlamme4182
This was during a day shift. They were consistently staffing the house with only one person because there are “only” two residents in the home. Not taking into account the very likely risk of harm that they were well aware of. I wish we had panic buttons.
rbudrick
Nursing homes are famous for having underpaid, overworked staff. My wife used to frequently be the lone nursing assistannt (no nurses or anyone else, just her) for an entire floor, which was always soaked in piss. Oh,but they are fully staffed and clean affff on inspections days, which the state called ahead for to avoid paperwork of a bad review. They knew.
Snooj
My wife used to work overnights in a group home. She was the only one there. It was alternating three and four day shifts so she was there the whole time and had to sleep there at night when everyone else went home. I am happy she is no longer in that field.
Navrodel
It's an unglamorous job that there's never enough funding for - what should be a well compensated public service is instead a private industry that's cutting costs everywhere, especially underpaying and understaffing.
The whole country is running towards skeleton crews because it's "shrewd business" but it really only helps the greedy fucks pocketing the difference. In most industries that's just bound to get people hurt. In medical? It costs lives.
OneCrazyWriter
Yeah, one time I took my tortoises to the vet and he looked at all the scratches and bite marks, and he asked what kind of animal did that. Because he also works at a zoo, and he's never seen such severe injuries. I told him it was humans. Because we worked with 2 staff to eight aggressive individuals.
My facility decided to upgrade the landscaping and chose cobblestones around the house. What do you think happened? If you guessed "the residents started throwing the rocks" you win!
DemSumBigAssRidges
#4 that is a god tier middle finger!
TankTrain
I know right! When op gives someone the finger, they give them THE FINGER!
LaFlamme4182
lol why does it look so long in that pic…
fancygiraph
My wife works with special needs kids she has bite and scratch marks all the time. She usually wears a denim jacket to protect herself. We don’t need the money at all she just does it because she cares for the kids. People in these jobs are paid next to nothing and rarely appreciated.
SedatedSl0th
My wife is permanently 40% disabled because of a similar incident. No biting, but she has permanent hearing loss in one ear and permanent neck damage from him repeatedly slamming her head against the ground. I feel for you.
NotACanadian
Some people just need to be put down.
And I'm really tempted to just put "people" in quotation marks because eating shit, biting and killing people is literal zombie behavior. What sort of life are they able to live?
Samantha4u
Yeah exactly, I don't get the point of keeping people who will just kill others around. If they're in a room freaking out and then someone enters just to *feed* them and they get attacked, I dunno.
Dogs get put down for accidental bites which is horse shit, but these are people not all cognitively there but active enough to murder you.
therenee
I'm with you two, I just don't get it.
NotACanadian
Honestly I think the biggest issue isn't disagreeing that some people just shouldn't be left alive, it's who gets to formally decide this. Even in a cut and dry case like this maybe there's a chance someone is altering their brain chemistry as a way to get rid of them or something.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
There are so shockingly few protections for people in that line of work. It's important and necessary, but the way it's managed is often criminally inept, from state laws governing staffing to individual site administrators not taking their employees' safety into account. I'm really sorry this happened to you and your coworker.
armonis
I worked as graveyard shift as a DSP for about a year. Not a good time. I heard stories like this one pretty regularly. :(
A lot of these companies are on a shoestring budget and also run by people who want to help, but don't understand how to manage resources.
L4t3xs
It does seem the people getting taken care of have more rights than the caretakers. The pay is mediocre at best. If they rape or murder there will be pretty much no consequences for them as they are not liable for their actions while at the same time they have the right to decide for themselves. This is happening in Finland.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Someone violently assaulted a friend of mine years ago and got a slap on the wrist even though a police officer and several witnesses saw it. When he got out he was no less violent. I was at her place helping clean when he opened the front door and let himself in, coming at her with a violent bloodlust. I didn't think, I grabbed a wooden bat her son (he wasn't home at the time) bad left laying about and beat the brakes off him. He's never come around since. If he even sees her in public now he's
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
So scared of her that he just runs the opposite direction even if she's alone. He's terrified of her. Last we heard he's lost everything and just been drinking and crying himself into a stupor, nobody is threatened by him or afraid of him now and it destroyed him.
OhIfIMust
Good.
DJThuglifeSupreme
That’s a Patient Zero pic right there
nicilaskin
I came from Germany working as a Nurse in the USA m i lasted about 15 years and then i just couldn't take it anymore , you are nothing in the usa , not worth any kind of protection , they can abuse you however they want and they will turn it on you so so fast , I am glad i got out , the USA is fucked up in that regard , in how they treat nurses and cna' s
LaFlamme4182
I never thought about how this might not be tolerated in other countries. Every day I’m learning more and more about out why the USA is garbage.
doonerpjenkins
Holy shit. I work for a large non-profit in the IT dept and we support folks like you to make sure your tech is working. The amount of crap you have to put up with is astounding. Constantly understaffed, underpaid, and overworked. Sending virtual hugs.
ROBOTvsMAN
ATDWorks
Wow same here! I actually had a degree in psych, but ended up in IT at a residential behavioral rehab place for teens. I second that, it’s a crazy difficult field and I have a ton of respect for the staff & therapists. You really care, sometimes at your own expense. Sorry for this trauma, you deserve greener pastures
OhIfIMust
And the C-Suite is just raking it in...
LaFlamme4182
I was making $14 an hr for this lol. Thank you. I’ve decided to step away from direct care. I did it for about 10 years. Compassion fatigue is very real.
ladyjigglebutt
Damn. You're amazing in my book, I know I don't have the temperament to work with those sorts of people, I'm too easily frustrated. I'm sorry you had to go through this, it's criminal that they allowed women to work alone around these men, ever.
doonerpjenkins
Yes it is. You take good care of yourself, now ya hear?
LaFlamme4182
You too, thank you. :)
DodyShiratori
The fact that you did it for 10 years is incredible.
If I was in charge, people like you would be set for life, and career politicians would be the ones getting paid $14 an hour.
lighterletter
It's a good case for robots to handle these kinds of patients, humans shouldn't be subject to violent broken folks.
RadonGaming
Unfortunately it's one of the areas robots will unlikely be able to assist with. The very nature of caring for these people is deeply human and we can't program that. :( folding them like a lawn chair though? Maybe.
Joecoin2
Robots aren't advanced enough yet. But they will be.
rebuildingdrizzt3000
I don't mean this rudely. Just advice from a former officer and mental health hospital worker. Next time, don't leave a pregnant woman alone with them, and call the police. They'll get your managers to organize things (hopefully) from a logical perspective.
LaFlamme4182
I wish I had thought to do this. I was so scared and shaking, my husband had to pick me up because I couldn’t drive myself to the ER. My brain wasn’t functioning very well at that point.
rebuildingdrizzt3000
Hey, we all act differently under adrenaline. I'm sorry for your coworker and you. Thank you for getting out and still being with us.
Sarshrimp
Jesus christ. How dare they imply she just fell? Why the hell are they making people (mostly women, I imagine) doing these jobs without ensuring safety with even the minimum standards they are supposed to? Sent a pregnant woman in alone after someone bit you, breaking skin through a jacket??
JohnThatcher
Ooh! I know how to find the answer to this one, actually! Go to a computer and open up a fresh text editor file. Now hold down the Shift key and press "4" three times. The entire explanation will be spelled out in fine detail.
shitheadtookmyname
$$$
fancygiraph
No one else will do these jobs
jackpkmn
Fun fact this isn't new. In 2009 I lived in a group foster home and the staffing ratio was 1 full time staff to 5 disabled adults of needs ranging from fully independent (like myself) to needs round the clock care (the guy who lived in the room next to mine.) It was more like a holding pen for all of us. The guy at the end of the hall hurled a vase down the hall at a female staff member after she rejected his sexual advances. The rest of us barricaded him in his room until police arrived.
spinbutton3
Thank you for stepping and protecting her
jackpkmn
If it makes you feel any better during the removal of his things from his room during the eviction we found out where all our dishes had vanished too. He would eat in his room and then stuff the dirty dishes sometimes with half eaten food still on them into his chest of drawers. He also had the access to the crawlspace in the closet of his room and he had a mountain of moldy dirty dishes down there too. He was the only one doing this but we were all banned from eating in our rooms after that.
spinbutton3
Ugh, what a terrible mess. On the upside...the plates are back
minipancho94
Because they're scum that prey on the week and vulnerable. Almost the entirety if the elder care business in the US is like this or worse. We're talking roaches galore, under staffed, underpaid nurses (most of which are ineligible to work in other fields for various reasons), that simply keep these people "alive" so long as it's profitable. Your family misses a payment or the Medicare stops? They'll dump you on the street the second that bill is 48 hours past due. It's a disgusting grift.
LaFlamme4182
Yeah, they know what happened, but they won’t admit it. I don’t know how they sleep at night. And thank you for appreciating how hard someone has to bite down to break skin through a jacket.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
They sleep on their piles of money.
koolgeeks
At this very moment my sister is dealing with this type gaslighting from her reporting her Director for inappropriate behavior to students. She's had months of dealing with this shit but finally the threads are unraveling so maybe there will be accountability. Sorry you've had to put up with that...
Sarshrimp
Thank you for the time you spent doing this kind of work. It in no way is less than heroic and you definitely were not paid enough nor protected as you should have been.
LaFlamme4182
Thank you, that means a lot.
Sarshrimp
Do you have any suggestions for where one should send an email or call if there is any advocacy to be done for people doing this kind of care work?
LaFlamme4182
The only thing that comes to mind is the National Alliance of Direct Support Professionals nadsp.org.
SneakEFoxxe
That is walking dead zombie levels of bite force
hiyo365
The amount of times I said holy shit and oh my god reading this.. i hope you're recovering mentally and physically. And them not taking responsibility for her assault/murder is just disgusting. Much love to you. <3
SJBSavageInk
Considering how hard my cat has bit me with sharp teeth and not broken skin, for blunt human teeth to break skin... Really fucking hard.
I just can't believe he wasn't charged with assault or that the murderer wasn't. Did they plead insanity or something? Or did they not even press charges?
LaFlamme4182
The company never even reported the event to the police. It was treated as a medical “fall”, despite her still being conscious enough to say it wasn’t before she died. Her daughter ended up being the one to report it. I think the case is still open? I haven’t heard any updates. The family is suing the company for 10million, I don’t know if they will win.
GTimgur
Who is the "they" in this situation? They need badly to be exposed.
LaFlamme4182
I don’t feel comfortable breaking HIPAA, I’m sorry.
Taalii
Does it cover protecting the director/manager? Can they be named and shamed for their sociopathic behavior?
LaFlamme4182
PCL in Medford Oregon is the company. I don’t really feel comfortable saying more than that, as that is public information.
barbaraanne81
My older brother has Prader-Willi syndrome (Uncontrollable eating, severe intellectual challenges) and has type 2 diabetes. He tried to kill my mother over pizza. He had to be tazed to get his hands from around her neck. They can't charge him due to his disabilities.
barbaraanne81
He now lives in a group home. Again. He hasn't acted out physically in about 3 years. He has decided to weaponize urine. It's criminal what they pay staff in these homes. Staff cannot, in any circumstance, fight back. My brother was eating a family size tube of tooth paste. Staff has to rip it from his hands. My brother received a small scratch on his finger. Our family agreed Staff acted appropriately. He was fired and charged with assault.
LaFlamme4182
Jesus Christ…I hate hearing shit like this. It is a true sentiment that staff feel like they don’t have basic rights while trying to protect these people from harming themselves or others.
barbaraanne81
It's all about money. The minute you add for profit management into the mix it's all money. Lower staffing, less support services, Les maintenance. My brother didn't have a working light in his bedroom for 2 months. Staff called facilities and they said to change the bulb themselves. No bulb. The whole thing has to be replaced. If you refuse to spend more than is legally required you make more money. Off of an extremely vulnerable community. Capitalism.
barbaraanne81
Due to some shitty governmental changes in the 80's, all the funding for places equipped to handle violent offenders in the intellectually challenged community went away. So now we are placing Staff in unsafe ratios. Making their jobs as safe as American school teachers.
barbaraanne81
I get why people never look back. As a family member of the violent client. I'm so sorry. I am so sorry that your safety was ignored. I'm glad you are speaking out. Thank you
diezl97
Part of a push to defund and abolish asylums because the bleeding hearts thought they were irredeemably cruel and inhumane. Nevermind the toll it takes on the caretakers and also the patients when they eventually meet their violent end from a would-be victim or the cops.
Like it or not, some people cannot be among the general population. We need to bring asulyms back.
LaFlamme4182
Having worked with people who lived in Fairview in Salem Oregon…I can confirm that atrocities occurred there, as we have access to their historic documents. Just because one person is not safe to live in the community, doesn’t mean everyone with a Developmental or Intellectual Disability should suffer. Most of them are some of the coolest people you’ll ever meet. But some people need to be in a locked down facility with highly trained and strong professionals.
LaFlamme4182
My point being that we absolutely can’t go back to the way it was. But we need something more than we have now.
skipweasel
Digital Signal Processor? Dog-Sniffing Panda? Depressed Sex Puppet?
justsomechickyo
Lol fr like we are supposed to know :p
LaFlamme4182
Direct support professional lol but I’d prefer to be a depressed sex puppet.
skipweasel
Yes - I can see why, too.
LordoftheSpell
skipweasel
elbowdeepinawhateverthatis
We’re all depressed sex puppets on an uncaring god’s fist.
LaFlamme4182
Depressed Sex Puppets is a good band name.
elbowdeepinawhateverthatis
It’s incredible. If skipweasel doesn’t want it, I’m taking it.
Samantha4u
Maybe this is cruel or hateful for me to say, but why do we bother keeping insanely violent individuals around/cared for? I'm not talking just occasional outbursts, but if they are willing to go *this* far, while it is cruel, I don't understand why they are expected to be well taken care of. To me it's almost like keeping a vegetable alive that can kill you.
Maybe this isn't the norm but I've only ever heard about horrifyingly violent attacks from this line of work.
PirateRubberDuck
If there was a chance of the person recovering and stopping being violent etc I would get it, but it is really just extending their suffering and putting people in danger. I have been thinking quite a bit lately about at what point a person is gone due to neurological damage. When do they stop being the person they were?
Snooj
Because there aren't always reasons to put them in prisons and there are *definitely* not enough funds to care for them properly. And not nearly enough people interested in working in the field. My wife used to work in the field and 80% of her coworkers were females and 0% of them (besides my wife) had college degrees. So basically middle-aged women with high school degrees are caring for meds and well being of mentally ill people.
dnd3edm1
should be in prison after he bit someone
diezl97
...and people scream when I voice my support for policies that mental health workers only respond to emergency scenes with the cops.
israelarenazis
ooh, yea, great idea, then the cops can shoot the person having an episode
hey y'all, remember when the cops shot an autistic man having a meltdown, through his caretaker (who was trying to shield him with his body)?
hot take, maybe guns just straight up shouldn't be involved in mental health
ZoidbergIsGreat
So... they are in Canada. We have Peace Officers on site at hospitals to help security with violent patients which I'm grateful for as I've needed their help before. This is the reality of working in psych hospital - i don't come to work to get my shit kicked in by patients. Do not miss psychiatry...
israelarenazis
Right, and do they regularly carry firearms when interacting with pt's?
lizardbones
If cops were trained properly to deal with that situation i'd say sure. but they arent. The number of times ive read about cops actively making the situation worse far outweighs the times they've made it better. and the number of cops ive seen directly comment that the mentally ill should just be shot on sight is insane
MissChickle
Even just having some sort of back up security, as I understand cop presence can escalate things. I guess it all comes down to funding...which is being slashed.
Kiares
Because society decided that shooting worthless people in the back of the head was frowned upon.
Qpnao
You are one stupid motherfucker
Kiares
What's the matter MAGA, feeling attacked?
Qpnao
Lmao no, wtf. MAGA are the ones classifying people as worthless. The head shooting is on its way. Whuch is why you're a dumbass.