May 29, 2020 1:28 AM
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Gremlynn4023
if he's anything like my 12 year old with twitchy trial and error platforming, be prepared to lose him for a week and buy a PS5 at launch.
GiantSquanchy
Nintendo hard
jmckay83
When he breaks the TV, know it is your fault.
TheCheshireKhajiit
Brutal.
Gastroboi
Oh man that is cruel. I had that as a kid and I never managed to finish it.
penut61
I still play Ninja Gaiden 2 on 360. The best
ChefSpecialSauce101
I told my wife we could go to disneyland if she beats ff7 and gets a master summon materia!
LucidPariah
That's a reward in itself! You should have told her she had to beat the weapons instead
Goldenbeer
Ruby weapon alone is a pain. Watch them try to figure that out without Google, like most of us had to.
Sigge1981
Eh. Just beat Emerald and done. Much faster than mastering all red materias
Yeah, fuck master summon
deadmonkeycannon
Let him play Bionic Commando and at least let him have a chance.
GunGunTrio
That's one of the few NES games that I actually beat.
bendaresall
Love Bionic Commando NES. Can't beat the Gameboy version though.
JambaJews
Has to be the hardest game in history
bigdix69420
I just beat this. Man act 6 is just awul
theyar
6-2
I think it literally took a friend and I 3 or 4 ish hours just to beat that part. Memorization is so key in NG
narutosenpia0
,
TheLaziestRaccoon
Dagren
You're soooo cruel! You might as well have laughed in the child's face! Wait... Ninja Gaiden? I think that's child abuse nowadays! :)
SickGirl01
My 6 year old loves "old fashion" Mario.....
Omnomnomicon
Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written.
Lostedge
I call BS. The first few levels are easy. It only ramps up at the last level.Biggest issue is dying on last boss and being sent 3 level back
I think I made it to the 2nd level on Festers quest once! (uncle Fester from the Adams family) game genie doesn't even work on that game!
slotheroll
DjNeHi
Man I wasn’t bad at that game...but beat it? Not a chance.
ellid006
Ghosts n Goblins, both times
SeismicCoin
give the kid a chance at least!
Sharkshavemouths
Do you want to have a PS4 for forever? Because that's how you get to have a PS4 for forever.
flosser
Haven't bought any game system since the PS1 back in 1996.
tantallous
i have a ps3. i'll get a ps4 after the 5 comes out probably. :D
HypnagogicHallucinations
Exactly
QSteele
My son is 9 and I am eager to have his start playing console games. But he has to earn it. To do this, he needs to (2)
start with SNES and beat 3 games on each gen before he can move to the next.
Zerf2k2
What? I have the exact same rules at our house! :D
Iwannaseeit
This sounds a bit like gatekeeping and a way to make them hate video games imo. Did you have to beat games you didn't like/care about?
I figure this way he'll have a solid background of game mechanics and evolution with a good learning curve.
DownVoteVerifier
Poor kid, at least start with consoles made in the 2000s.
abraxa
Why? Those older consoles have awesome games. With PS2/GC and similar, companies began to trade gameplay for graphics bling, which sucked.
dontrike
To me that started when the XBox came out, while graphics did improve it seemed like Microsoft pushed that need to look pretty more.
Lakalaba
Just do your son a favor and see about hooking it up to a monitor with low latency. The lag on non-CRT tvs is terrible.
Selfieattacksquad
Lol alladin or lion king.
vuickb6
Getting out of the cave of wonders is a pain in the ass!
nil3x5
Lion king was the worst.
1mazrim
so much nostalgia for aladin, gotta get them apples!
lordejimmy
8 hours non stop to beat it. One day I decided it was time.Never again. I was 24...been playing it since I was 5.
breakdancingrobots
I totally fucking respect this. I rocked Ninja Gaiden back in the day but never beat it. I tip my hat to you sir/madam.
Did that with Blaster master. 8 hours, game genie and my friend tag tag teaming that thing. I still consider that a life accomplishment!
schmonday
I bet you didn't tell him there are no save points.
Efreeti
Sure, but there are infinite continues (You're just often sent to the start of the stage, even when dying on the final boss)
The point is, I bet he turned the system off after getting pretty far.
Getting to the final boss of Ninja Gaiden when I was 8 is probably the greatest achievement of my life.
BCTheBugDude
I played the shit out of that game and don't think I ever beat it....
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Same.
syntaxxor
The last boss is three fucking bosses in a row. Ninja Gaiden go hard
astrangehop
Did you make it to the jungle temple trapdoor? That's almost to the end.
No, I don't think I remember a jungle, last vivid level memory I need have is a level with shifting rain and wind that was a pain in the ass
My favorite game mechanic was the boss you had to arrive at with full health, then attack him as much and as fast as you were able because
Every third move he'd shoot you with undodgeable ball lightning.
Maulbert
My niece got upset trying to play Mega Man 3 after I blasted through the first couple stages. She thought it must be easy.
Seriously, why downvote me?
edgareplekjekk
For complaining about downvotes.
Wharrgarrble
They're showing their pain it ain't personal
FuriousBakedPotato
You have like 2 downvotes, chill.
notkvothethebloodless
Pfff have her do the squid Adler speeder run on normal speed and see how she reacts then
I have no idea what this combination of words means.
THEN YOU DO NOT KNOW TRUE HATE
Grimm7766
Megaman X5 stage.
Ah. The first Mega Man X was a classic, dare I say perfect, game. I think it just went downhill after that, and never touched one after X4.
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
One of the stages in Mega Man X5. Takes place on a Ride Chaser (hoverbike) and requires lots of trial and error to not die.
MelancholicacR
Is it anything like Battletoads speeder level?
Notably easier, and also not that long. It's just annoying.
Korbo
You could have given him something easier. Like, anything else really.
Taconolettuce
Then it wouldn’t have been a challenge. I’m sure if he tries every day to beat the game until it comes out he’ll get one. Game beaten or not
Tnightwalk3r
Ghouls n ghost
PresidentCamacho0
And make him get the real ending.
You can tell we are all of a certain generation when no one has brought up Dark Souls. I like it.
csullivan
Dark Souls is a casual gamers “hard” game.
metroidmariomega
Meaning an actually fair "hard" game?
I broke 2 controllers in a week with Dark Souls. Usually is fair but there are some really poorly designed levels.
Fair, but I meant that a lot of classic games relied on challenges that could't realistically be beaten except by luck or checking guides.
whitebbwolf
like, just clean that room
Whitehawk7564
Lion King?
Aladdin?
Nah, you can beat Aladdin
ThisIsTheShortestUsernameICouldFind
That’s the point, the house always wins
Lrgp39
ET the video game
TheHeroOfTimeLink
Ghosts n Goblins
upvotesfornamecalling
Battletoads.
ceephour
Pssh, it only takes like 12 minutes to beat. :P (For those interested, hit YouTube for a video by SummoningSalt about the world record)
010010000110100100100001
Mega man 8
RightToJailNoTrial
Like A Link Between Worlds
srindio
Ghots and ghouls for example...
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Earthworm Jim. 3rd water lvl
Skarn
You heard the man! Give the boy Silver Surfer!
Fuuuuuk that hurts just thinking about it
drunkpanther
Lmao that kid is gonna rage quit his family
Dahlmordyth
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde for Nes
Foxhack
The US version of the game is broken and made harder because of it. https://tcrf.net/Dr._Jekyll_and_Mr._Hyde#Regional_Differences
FabulouslyTiti
So that's why! I've always wondered about why that game is so hard and now I know, thank you!
ashram1023
It’s like, at least give him ninja gaiden 2. NG1 is impossible.
Alfadorfox
It's not impossible. It has been beaten in 11 minutes 38 seconds.
konelhft
THX 11 minutes 38 seconds?
https://youtu.be/7u1tVD7UEqw
(+1/30th of a second)
Grinch01
How about ninja gaiden on the first xbox, i didn't even make the first stage
splungedude
That was a great game, I regret selling my Xbox mainly because of that game, and Amped 2
canIchangethislatermaybe
Yep. I beat NG on NES as a kid and it seemed normal. I tried that XBOX remake and felt OLD.
circlebreaker
I'm a little shocked that nobody's mentioned the NES Rambo game. Fuck that game to the deepest pits of Hell...
JCstormz
obviously battletoads, also pretty sure the difficulty was kinda the point
Yeah, but Zelda is difficult. Battle Toads, and Ninja Gaiden are obnoxiously hard. Especially to a different generation.
RosencrantzNGuildensternNeverLived
No Castlevania thrown in for fun?
zeiji
dr.jekyl and mr.hyde
Zelda is not that difficult. Zelda 2 is difficult.
44no44
Zelda is pretty damn difficult if you play it blind. I probably put 20 hours into that game before looking anything up. Cleared one dungeon.
Both are still easier than Operation: Wolf.
Johann316
Ghosts and goblins.
NorthRex
Zelda 2? Easy pezy. Now Zelda, BOTH world's? Not so fast.
I've beaten both quests in Zelda multiple times. I've gotten to the thunderbird ONCE in Zelda 2 and was promptly shat on.
Cthulhuchooseyou
NES Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: water level.
relsky
She’d get arrested for child abuse at that point.
Stoneyt123
I just got a twitch i forgot i had. Thanks for this haha
muramaza
Ghosts n goblins
Imademyselfsquirtle
Castlevania 2
ktt45102
Nah, that one was easy I remember beating that easily in elementary school. Now the original was hell, especially the later levels.
The HORROR
voydkastor
Always found that level easy, enjoyed the music.
ElSephiroth
It is when you have enough health on your 3 back turtles to just go threw every lightning bolt!
Gravedoom
Once you know the map and have a controlled that's not full of boogers and cereal milk crust.
* controller
MrPeterCapaldi
On the one hand, I like it, on the other, you're having him play through a ton of input lag at the improper aspect ratio. Not fair play.
mrgoggles
It's okay on the NES classic, no? Is this even on the NES classic?
morsubidira8
It is, and its perfect. All the games on it are.
rooftopkorean42992
This rite of passage is only for the strong. Not everyone is chosen.
pineapplesonimgur
TheGlow
Oh yea, played guitar hero2 on new lcd, couldn't get through Jordan. Plugged ps2 up to crt and got it 2nd try. 1st was adjusting to latency.
powerrangerpl
Yeah, get that analogue to digital converter from Japan right now. Fairplay first.
porcodemonio
How else will humanity, through selective breeding, develop precognition powers?
MagWasTaken
Hey man, the PS5 is gonna be expensive
steve77777777
get a laptop. emulator. use HDMI to connect to tv. boom. that's what I do for retro gaming.
Imapreacher
Aspect ratio does not cause input lag.
omgwtfbbqXD
It's two issues, input lag AND bad aspect ratio. Not one causing the other.
Isorikk
I'm a gamer and my trigger is when other gamers say input lag is a problem because they have a wireless controller or something
Left Trigger or Right Trigger?
ghostXgardens
I had to do a lot of trial and error for something that was "plug and play". But finally got the right settings and now retropie is great.
Sorry that was supposed to be a comment for someone else.
tanebot
Check if the TV has a gaming mode, also turn off any post-processing and filtering options. Won't be as fast as a CRT but it'll help a lot.
kerms
Some TVs have a "hidden" method that can put it in PC mode that will make it even faster than game mode.
spongerX
Yep. Had horrible lag on my RetroPie until I did this. Long length of USB extension cable for controller also added input lag for me
memania44
Remember, Nintendo released an NES mini, with hdmi and a bunch of games programmed in.. Ninja Gaiden was one of them..
feren
This was the thing that pretty much made me throw my RetroPie into the "meh projects" bin for re-use some day. Maybe.
Schlumpfi
Use a FPGA Mist or something alike. The simlulate the hardware, dont emulate it, and often have the original inputs. Amazing stuff.
The aspect ratio is easily changed on pie, and input lag can also be easily overcome.
EveryonesCousin
Lakka on a PC worked far, far better for me. Good screen emulation and low latency.
zeereboka
Can you please explain "a ton of input lag at the improper aspect ratio" ?
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
If you use an original NES on a modern TV.. there is massive lag as the NES is designed for those old CRT tubes. Not for modern LED etc
Thank you! So.... If I'm reading this right: because of the lag, your gameplay would be frustrating? & Inaccurate, buttons not fast enough?
You would experience just such things..
Kwaj
Also that TV is a 16:9 aspect ratio, and the game is designed for 4:3 (roughly)
obviouscoconut
Battletoads used to drive me fucking bonkers
veryhighatwork
Boogerman
DarthVaderYouHater
The flying motorcycle level was way too stressful for me as a kid.
It took me forever to beat it. There's a string of warps too.
tuxedobob
I haven’t really noticed any input lag.
Do you... do you think the light works different or are newer consoles psychic?
it does... well, maybe not the light itself, but the way the light-emitting elements work and how long it takes the signal to get to the >>>
lights. heres a list of modern tvs and their input lags at various resolutions and modes: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag >
BluePaladin42
I never noticed any lag with the SuperNES, but the picture definitely isn't quite right.
You kinda need to use an emulator. The old consoles saved on processing power by only rendering every other line, IIRC.
I mean, it's not like it's unplayable. I'd prefer a CRT TV, of course, but aside from the picture not being QUITE there, it works just fine.
its the scaling mode, most likely. heres a video that explains it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUCc5NGEthA
Ttoften
Is it that bad? Is that only an issue with pi machines or does it affect pc emulators as well?
PopeyeTheSailor
PC emulators are king
IAmDuckHammer
I think it's actual consoles that get the lag. I have my older systems connected to a DVDO Edge set to 4:3 and gaming mode on the 43" UHD TV
I should get a CRT TV or two for my consoles and an A/V switch box.
DianNaoChong
It's not that bad
Especially if you aren't used to the correct ratio. The input lag can be noticeable but you can adapt. This game is just stupid hard
Its the tv.
Au7h0r1ty
My PC emulation is spot on with a wired USB XBox clone controller.
JT1984
Which emulator? Both of the ones I tried are lagging g
dmorulez
I don't have issues playing on my Nvidia shield. I've played bad emulation, but most is perfectly fine.
thedaniel27
Same. Got retroarch set up with basically every system known to mankind and it works well.
DavidBrooker
LCD TVs aren't built for low latency. 100ms delay on your TV show is irrelevant. But it's very noticeable in a game.
[Laughs in Plasma] I love playing on my Analogue Super Nt.
What sorry excuse for an LCD do you have with 100ms latency?
theyre getting better all the time, but basically any TV that wasnt made specifically for gaming probably has >100ms latency if not in a >>>
special "gaming mode", especially cheaper ones. and note: TV, not Monitor. https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag >>>
Crosive
I agree, but they are getting better. My lcd TV's game mode gives me 11ms, which isn't 0 like a crt, but it's doable
WolfWings
Yeah, every single model of LCD out there does at least one frame of buffering. The aftermarket ZisWorks kits avoid that but that's $$$$.
behrditz
I used to work QA on Guitar Hero, very timing intensive. We called the giant LCD tv room the punishment room.
Revadarius
I was really into GH a decade or so ago. Honest to goodness it was bullshit AND dogshit to calibrate. If it didn't 'just work' then RIP.
Yep. Calibration screens for music games tend to have your brain trick itself into thinking things are lined up, when they arent really.
myotherusernameismyotherusername
We recently had a problem trying to get GH to play well on a 60'' LED screen, after calibration the audio delay was 180ms, but curiously 1/?
after disabling all video processing the audio was still a problem, and after hooking it up to speakers it was perfectly in sync. 2/?
Raven2311
So if u play it on a gaming monitor?
BelarusianPotatoFarmer
My LG would like to have a word with you.
vanfem
Had a modern LG and Samsung with their "game modes" on. Still very noticeable and feels absolutely terrible to switch from a gaming monitor.
A lot of TVs get down to 10-12ms in game mode, but most, by default, run at 100+. Gaming monitors often run under 5.
Kuroinoakuma
I personally have a triple 27" 1440p144Hz monitor setup, running at 1440p120, clean 120fps gameplay, clean & easy 60fps YT/Twitch output
CyberAkuma
Isn't that was the gaming mode is for?
100+Hz monitors are *built* to have sub-10ms refresh times, often built having like 5ms/200Hz refresh but given leeway for like 8.3ms/120Hz.
Yes. However, usually they can't reduce their latency as low as a monitor can.
ColdestOne
Too many NES games seemed fucking impossible. superman anyone?
And Astyanex.
I finally finished Castlevania a couple years ago. Never did manage Castlevania III. The game is brutal. I see why people say the first one-
-isn't that hard now.
I believe the English Castlevania 3 is actually MORE difficult than the Japanese version. try the Jpn version next time playing it?
HouseOfEvil
The jet ski level in Battletoads.
StillNotYouTube
I had about 30 of them. Maybe beat 2 of them? Most of them I couldn't beat the 2nd level.
LikeTotallyNotTheNSA
Silver Surfer
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
T3 for the Snes. 25 years later still haven't passef that one protect shara mission. Tf.
Polysgone
I'll see your NES Superman and I'll raise you my childhood nemesis: Atari 2600's E.T.
archangel312
So many hours on that broken game...
randomtreebeard
That's I nightmare I had long since forgotten. Politely, f you.
PunkFloyd
E.T. was pretty easy if you read the manual. It told you what to do. Indiana Jones, though... I never had the manual for...
sadsquatch
Ataris Indiana Jones
SchrodingersDictator
Gameboy lion king.
ZaphodForgotHisTowel
Wasn't that game responsible for the eventual demise of Atari?
LeroyShabazAli
Why did I try sooooooooo many times!!!!!! It was fucking awful
aFadingMemory
Yes and no. It was a good thing to point at as the ultimate death blow. Atari: Game Over is a good doc on it. Free on Prime.
Supes was hard as hell. Bionic Commando on the NES was my personal impossible mountain to climb.
SMB3
The Bionic Commando map was/is so confusing, I've never made it particularly far. Sky Shark was my favorite (other than SMB3 Obviously)
Such a great game. There was a trick to earning a full health bar early on. It took a while but you were basically unstoppable after.
I always charged ahead and forgot which communicator to use.
baals
Legendary game
BrockEffingSamson
I remember when I beat that game. Ram around the house shouting, then called my friend (who didn't get why I was so excited).
DiscountHero
I can't complete Castlevania.
Castlevania wouldn't be that hard if it werent for how getting hit sends you flying backwards and how many pitfalls there are. I beat it tho
Input delay and fixed jump didn't help, either. Fucking medusa heads.
Awesome that you beat it. Good shit.
2674E6J
What does he get if he beats "Battletoads"?
algavinn
A night with his step mother.
At that point he might actually be 21, so any locally legal recreational drugs of his desire.
SVTbuckeye
Ps7
Lightshadow688
That's an optimistic estimate...
johnwill1480
Jumper cables, win or lose.
dasoffendor
I usually sit them next to the TV, in the line of sight, to set the tone
"might as well win, right? I shouldnt be the only one who gets something out of this."
Bubbells
The real question is if he can beat the old tmnt games
Eyestrain, carpal tunnel.
MarkRavingMad
He gets Battletoads.
LurkyMcLurker
The best I can do is $50
DarkHeresy
Get it right pal, Battletoads on multiplayer. That is the true test of a warrior.
BramStocker
that's a punishment
i like it
Profanuum
Get behind the Bosses and they are bugged. Sad when you discover this.
toptrojanfan
That shit is impossible.
Lionskull
a top of the line PC.
Emulen
Dr jeckyl and mr hide next
Quylein
That's easier solo.. Harder if coop
koops
President.
PotatOSLament
cforcalvin
after i beat the log run i had to pause it and lie down
daringtons
Battletoads isn't that hard apart from the one busted fucking level
Did you beat it to experience the other levels?
In my youth me and a friend used to play it all the time
LordCommanderTomSnow
Only Brian Gaar has beat Battletoads.
kyylick
I actually managed to finish it when I was in my early teens, played with my brother. Tried it again recently... nope, no...
Dracongield
Oh God, turbo tunnel flashbacks...gaahh.
jellybeandaddyjl
The levels get worse...I've managed to beat it before...
BlackassMan
That was the last level for me
nipaxon
Never gotten past that. Played it when i was 10 years old and 23 years later and i still haven't gotten past that.
Cranbananarama
?1
magicrhombus
Is it possible to beat battletoads?
MassStorageDeviceCanNowBeSafelyRemoved
https://youtu.be/-gDu601uXfs
Khikik
You could learn this skill....but not from a Jedi
DanteHicks79
Tree fiddy
Sparks1729
The sequel
pkrevbro
Hookers and blow
A blowjob from dad himself
BeerBatteredandBold
Appropriate
JMaxGarage
That’s the right answer. That fucking game is ungodly hard. I did beat Ninja Gaiden 1&2 and Metroid, but never Battletoads.
That driving section is insane.
There are 2. The internet had to teach me, cuz i never beat the 1st
I beat it on an emulator going at 50% of the speed.
ChristosMylordos
Gonads and strife
dirtyJamz
WEEEEEEEEE
MudkipsRevenge
Wow it's been awhile since I heard that!
Gnarizard
Alpha5772
I beat it on the Gameboy.
purplepizzaeater420
what does he get for beating “Silver Surfer”?
CalOShaughnessy
came here to ask this. Thank you.
tomfletcher894
I always wondered if that game was hard. Haven’t played since I was 7
KoolStoryBrah
I think that those underground hover bike jumping levels were insanely difficult and almost impossible.
TurgidMember
Supposedly it was made that way to make people buy instead of rent. Not too many kids could get through that in a weekend.
Bastards. I’m pretty sure I had a game genie or cheat codes to skip the level.
EarthDragon2189
Let me put it this way: The Rare Replay version has unlimited lives and a rewind feature and it's still almost impossble.
grisznik
I played it on an emulator couple of years ago (after AVGN episode). Even with the saving I got tired of replaying the levels (1/2)
And I stopped playing on that moving snakes level. i first tried whole level without saving, then parts of it, then gave up completely (2/2)
dogmoind
Came here to say this. I couldn't even do it then.
I still couldn't beat the Clinger-Winger without pause cheesing. That game is straight-up sadistic.
TheDogEnd
Battletoads is one of the very few games I never finished. I like challenging games, but Battletoads was just frustrating to play
Createausername101
There was this game called Crysalis or something to that effect that I could NOT figure out. Rpg.
nolyininbed
im actually proud to say i beat battletoads, i played the pit and motorbike lvl countless times, theres a pattern to the courses iirc
heeeeelllloooo
I don’t recall ever finishing a game - well maybe one of the Monkey Islands
Seeing as we're on the subject - I'll actually quit games like Civ5 when I get to a point where victory is assured. I could spend another 1/
couple hours grinding it out, taking each city across the planet...but why? I basically already won, I'd rather have those couple of hours.
Robtheshaman
Do you know anyone thats done that? Cuz thats legend.
ReplyingToTopCommentsIsHowIGetPeopleToReadMyComments
I made my 12 year old daughter play Ninja Gaiden until she beat it. It took her about a month.
Mircyo
A metal of honor
MarleafChef
Which metal? I wouldn't take anything less than aluminum
larrythelobster626
Fuck the jet ski level fuck that level straight to hell
Stroika
Beating that level required lots of time and memory. Did it a few times single player but 2 players was near impossible
I don’t think I ever beat it I think I just rage quit and never went back
SephiRothIRA
Imagine completing it and dying right after. That’s when I stopped playing the game.
Had that happen exactly once and could never complete the stage again.
Yea if I recall ~30 years ago it goes faster and faster and you zoom out the screen into a new level where you walk around again. Died there
That faster and faster part is what always got me. I'd always forget the pattern and panic.
HectorMullvad
Man I hated that game after never being able to get past that level. What sick fuck would create a level that hard
Gremlynn4023
if he's anything like my 12 year old with twitchy trial and error platforming, be prepared to lose him for a week and buy a PS5 at launch.
GiantSquanchy
Nintendo hard
jmckay83
When he breaks the TV, know it is your fault.
TheCheshireKhajiit
Brutal.
Gastroboi
Oh man that is cruel. I had that as a kid and I never managed to finish it.
penut61
I still play Ninja Gaiden 2 on 360. The best
ChefSpecialSauce101
I told my wife we could go to disneyland if she beats ff7 and gets a master summon materia!
LucidPariah
That's a reward in itself! You should have told her she had to beat the weapons instead
Goldenbeer
Ruby weapon alone is a pain. Watch them try to figure that out without Google, like most of us had to.
Sigge1981
Eh. Just beat Emerald and done. Much faster than mastering all red materias
GiantSquanchy
Yeah, fuck master summon
deadmonkeycannon
Let him play Bionic Commando and at least let him have a chance.
GunGunTrio
That's one of the few NES games that I actually beat.
bendaresall
Love Bionic Commando NES. Can't beat the Gameboy version though.
JambaJews
Has to be the hardest game in history
bigdix69420
I just beat this. Man act 6 is just awul
theyar
6-2
bigdix69420
I think it literally took a friend and I 3 or 4 ish hours just to beat that part. Memorization is so key in NG
narutosenpia0
,
TheLaziestRaccoon
Dagren
You're soooo cruel! You might as well have laughed in the child's face! Wait... Ninja Gaiden? I think that's child abuse nowadays! :)
SickGirl01
My 6 year old loves "old fashion" Mario.....
Omnomnomicon
Do not cite the Deep Magic to me, Witch! I was there when it was written.
Lostedge
I call BS. The first few levels are easy. It only ramps up at the last level.Biggest issue is dying on last boss and being sent 3 level back
LucidPariah
I think I made it to the 2nd level on Festers quest once! (uncle Fester from the Adams family) game genie doesn't even work on that game!
slotheroll
DjNeHi
Man I wasn’t bad at that game...but beat it? Not a chance.
ellid006
Ghosts n Goblins, both times
SeismicCoin
give the kid a chance at least!
Sharkshavemouths
Do you want to have a PS4 for forever? Because that's how you get to have a PS4 for forever.
flosser
Haven't bought any game system since the PS1 back in 1996.
tantallous
i have a ps3. i'll get a ps4 after the 5 comes out probably. :D
HypnagogicHallucinations
Exactly
QSteele
My son is 9 and I am eager to have his start playing console games. But he has to earn it. To do this, he needs to (2)
QSteele
start with SNES and beat 3 games on each gen before he can move to the next.
Zerf2k2
What? I have the exact same rules at our house! :D
Iwannaseeit
This sounds a bit like gatekeeping and a way to make them hate video games imo. Did you have to beat games you didn't like/care about?
QSteele
I figure this way he'll have a solid background of game mechanics and evolution with a good learning curve.
DownVoteVerifier
Poor kid, at least start with consoles made in the 2000s.
abraxa
Why? Those older consoles have awesome games. With PS2/GC and similar, companies began to trade gameplay for graphics bling, which sucked.
dontrike
To me that started when the XBox came out, while graphics did improve it seemed like Microsoft pushed that need to look pretty more.
Lakalaba
Just do your son a favor and see about hooking it up to a monitor with low latency. The lag on non-CRT tvs is terrible.
Selfieattacksquad
Lol alladin or lion king.
vuickb6
Getting out of the cave of wonders is a pain in the ass!
nil3x5
Lion king was the worst.
1mazrim
so much nostalgia for aladin, gotta get them apples!
lordejimmy
8 hours non stop to beat it. One day I decided it was time.Never again. I was 24...been playing it since I was 5.
breakdancingrobots
I totally fucking respect this. I rocked Ninja Gaiden back in the day but never beat it. I tip my hat to you sir/madam.
LucidPariah
Did that with Blaster master. 8 hours, game genie and my friend tag tag teaming that thing. I still consider that a life accomplishment!
schmonday
I bet you didn't tell him there are no save points.
Efreeti
Sure, but there are infinite continues (You're just often sent to the start of the stage, even when dying on the final boss)
schmonday
The point is, I bet he turned the system off after getting pretty far.
schmonday
Getting to the final boss of Ninja Gaiden when I was 8 is probably the greatest achievement of my life.
BCTheBugDude
I played the shit out of that game and don't think I ever beat it....
NotABadLookingNarcissist
Same.
syntaxxor
The last boss is three fucking bosses in a row. Ninja Gaiden go hard
astrangehop
Did you make it to the jungle temple trapdoor? That's almost to the end.
BCTheBugDude
No, I don't think I remember a jungle, last vivid level memory I need have is a level with shifting rain and wind that was a pain in the ass
astrangehop
My favorite game mechanic was the boss you had to arrive at with full health, then attack him as much and as fast as you were able because
astrangehop
Every third move he'd shoot you with undodgeable ball lightning.
Maulbert
My niece got upset trying to play Mega Man 3 after I blasted through the first couple stages. She thought it must be easy.
Maulbert
Seriously, why downvote me?
edgareplekjekk
For complaining about downvotes.
Wharrgarrble
They're showing their pain it ain't personal
FuriousBakedPotato
You have like 2 downvotes, chill.
notkvothethebloodless
Pfff have her do the squid Adler speeder run on normal speed and see how she reacts then
Maulbert
I have no idea what this combination of words means.
notkvothethebloodless
THEN YOU DO NOT KNOW TRUE HATE
Grimm7766
Megaman X5 stage.
Maulbert
Ah. The first Mega Man X was a classic, dare I say perfect, game. I think it just went downhill after that, and never touched one after X4.
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
One of the stages in Mega Man X5. Takes place on a Ride Chaser (hoverbike) and requires lots of trial and error to not die.
MelancholicacR
Is it anything like Battletoads speeder level?
WhiteCollarOfficeJobs
Notably easier, and also not that long. It's just annoying.
Korbo
You could have given him something easier. Like, anything else really.
Taconolettuce
Then it wouldn’t have been a challenge. I’m sure if he tries every day to beat the game until it comes out he’ll get one. Game beaten or not
Tnightwalk3r
Ghouls n ghost
PresidentCamacho0
And make him get the real ending.
Sharkshavemouths
You can tell we are all of a certain generation when no one has brought up Dark Souls. I like it.
csullivan
Dark Souls is a casual gamers “hard” game.
metroidmariomega
Meaning an actually fair "hard" game?
PresidentCamacho0
I broke 2 controllers in a week with Dark Souls. Usually is fair but there are some really poorly designed levels.
metroidmariomega
Fair, but I meant that a lot of classic games relied on challenges that could't realistically be beaten except by luck or checking guides.
whitebbwolf
like, just clean that room
Whitehawk7564
Lion King?
Sharkshavemouths
Aladdin?
Whitehawk7564
Nah, you can beat Aladdin
ThisIsTheShortestUsernameICouldFind
That’s the point, the house always wins
Lrgp39
ET the video game
TheHeroOfTimeLink
Ghosts n Goblins
upvotesfornamecalling
Battletoads.
ceephour
Pssh, it only takes like 12 minutes to beat. :P (For those interested, hit YouTube for a video by SummoningSalt about the world record)
010010000110100100100001
Mega man 8
RightToJailNoTrial
Like A Link Between Worlds
srindio
Ghots and ghouls for example...
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Earthworm Jim. 3rd water lvl
Skarn
You heard the man! Give the boy Silver Surfer!
Wharrgarrble
Fuuuuuk that hurts just thinking about it
drunkpanther
Lmao that kid is gonna rage quit his family
Dahlmordyth
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde for Nes
Foxhack
The US version of the game is broken and made harder because of it. https://tcrf.net/Dr._Jekyll_and_Mr._Hyde#Regional_Differences
FabulouslyTiti
So that's why! I've always wondered about why that game is so hard and now I know, thank you!
ashram1023
It’s like, at least give him ninja gaiden 2. NG1 is impossible.
Alfadorfox
It's not impossible. It has been beaten in 11 minutes 38 seconds.
konelhft
THX 11 minutes 38 seconds?
Alfadorfox
https://youtu.be/7u1tVD7UEqw
Alfadorfox
(+1/30th of a second)
Grinch01
How about ninja gaiden on the first xbox, i didn't even make the first stage
splungedude
That was a great game, I regret selling my Xbox mainly because of that game, and Amped 2
canIchangethislatermaybe
Yep. I beat NG on NES as a kid and it seemed normal. I tried that XBOX remake and felt OLD.
circlebreaker
I'm a little shocked that nobody's mentioned the NES Rambo game. Fuck that game to the deepest pits of Hell...
JCstormz
obviously battletoads, also pretty sure the difficulty was kinda the point
Korbo
Yeah, but Zelda is difficult. Battle Toads, and Ninja Gaiden are obnoxiously hard. Especially to a different generation.
RosencrantzNGuildensternNeverLived
No Castlevania thrown in for fun?
zeiji
dr.jekyl and mr.hyde
Maulbert
Zelda is not that difficult. Zelda 2 is difficult.
44no44
Zelda is pretty damn difficult if you play it blind. I probably put 20 hours into that game before looking anything up. Cleared one dungeon.
MayMyEnemiesLiveLong
Both are still easier than Operation: Wolf.
Johann316
Ghosts and goblins.
NorthRex
Zelda 2? Easy pezy. Now Zelda, BOTH world's? Not so fast.
Maulbert
I've beaten both quests in Zelda multiple times. I've gotten to the thunderbird ONCE in Zelda 2 and was promptly shat on.
Cthulhuchooseyou
NES Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: water level.
relsky
She’d get arrested for child abuse at that point.
Stoneyt123
I just got a twitch i forgot i had. Thanks for this haha
muramaza
Ghosts n goblins
Imademyselfsquirtle
Castlevania 2
ktt45102
Nah, that one was easy I remember beating that easily in elementary school. Now the original was hell, especially the later levels.
slotheroll
The HORROR
voydkastor
Always found that level easy, enjoyed the music.
ElSephiroth
It is when you have enough health on your 3 back turtles to just go threw every lightning bolt!
Gravedoom
Once you know the map and have a controlled that's not full of boogers and cereal milk crust.
Gravedoom
* controller
MrPeterCapaldi
On the one hand, I like it, on the other, you're having him play through a ton of input lag at the improper aspect ratio. Not fair play.
mrgoggles
It's okay on the NES classic, no? Is this even on the NES classic?
morsubidira8
It is, and its perfect. All the games on it are.
rooftopkorean42992
This rite of passage is only for the strong. Not everyone is chosen.
pineapplesonimgur
TheGlow
Oh yea, played guitar hero2 on new lcd, couldn't get through Jordan. Plugged ps2 up to crt and got it 2nd try. 1st was adjusting to latency.
powerrangerpl
Yeah, get that analogue to digital converter from Japan right now. Fairplay first.
porcodemonio
How else will humanity, through selective breeding, develop precognition powers?
MagWasTaken
Hey man, the PS5 is gonna be expensive
steve77777777
get a laptop. emulator. use HDMI to connect to tv. boom. that's what I do for retro gaming.
Imapreacher
Aspect ratio does not cause input lag.
omgwtfbbqXD
It's two issues, input lag AND bad aspect ratio. Not one causing the other.
Isorikk
I'm a gamer and my trigger is when other gamers say input lag is a problem because they have a wireless controller or something
konelhft
Left Trigger or Right Trigger?
ghostXgardens
I had to do a lot of trial and error for something that was "plug and play". But finally got the right settings and now retropie is great.
ghostXgardens
Sorry that was supposed to be a comment for someone else.
tanebot
Check if the TV has a gaming mode, also turn off any post-processing and filtering options. Won't be as fast as a CRT but it'll help a lot.
kerms
Some TVs have a "hidden" method that can put it in PC mode that will make it even faster than game mode.
spongerX
Yep. Had horrible lag on my RetroPie until I did this. Long length of USB extension cable for controller also added input lag for me
memania44
Remember, Nintendo released an NES mini, with hdmi and a bunch of games programmed in.. Ninja Gaiden was one of them..
feren
This was the thing that pretty much made me throw my RetroPie into the "meh projects" bin for re-use some day. Maybe.
Schlumpfi
Use a FPGA Mist or something alike. The simlulate the hardware, dont emulate it, and often have the original inputs. Amazing stuff.
Imapreacher
The aspect ratio is easily changed on pie, and input lag can also be easily overcome.
EveryonesCousin
Lakka on a PC worked far, far better for me. Good screen emulation and low latency.
zeereboka
Can you please explain "a ton of input lag at the improper aspect ratio" ?
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
If you use an original NES on a modern TV.. there is massive lag as the NES is designed for those old CRT tubes. Not for modern LED etc
zeereboka
Thank you! So.... If I'm reading this right: because of the lag, your gameplay would be frustrating? & Inaccurate, buttons not fast enough?
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
You would experience just such things..
Kwaj
Also that TV is a 16:9 aspect ratio, and the game is designed for 4:3 (roughly)
obviouscoconut
Battletoads used to drive me fucking bonkers
veryhighatwork
Boogerman
DarthVaderYouHater
The flying motorcycle level was way too stressful for me as a kid.
astrangehop
It took me forever to beat it. There's a string of warps too.
tuxedobob
I haven’t really noticed any input lag.
D0ntMindMeImJustLurking
If you use an original NES on a modern TV.. there is massive lag as the NES is designed for those old CRT tubes. Not for modern LED etc
tuxedobob
Do you... do you think the light works different or are newer consoles psychic?
SeismicCoin
it does... well, maybe not the light itself, but the way the light-emitting elements work and how long it takes the signal to get to the >>>
SeismicCoin
lights. heres a list of modern tvs and their input lags at various resolutions and modes: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag >
BluePaladin42
I never noticed any lag with the SuperNES, but the picture definitely isn't quite right.
tuxedobob
You kinda need to use an emulator. The old consoles saved on processing power by only rendering every other line, IIRC.
BluePaladin42
I mean, it's not like it's unplayable. I'd prefer a CRT TV, of course, but aside from the picture not being QUITE there, it works just fine.
SeismicCoin
its the scaling mode, most likely. heres a video that explains it well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUCc5NGEthA
Ttoften
Is it that bad? Is that only an issue with pi machines or does it affect pc emulators as well?
PopeyeTheSailor
PC emulators are king
IAmDuckHammer
I think it's actual consoles that get the lag. I have my older systems connected to a DVDO Edge set to 4:3 and gaming mode on the 43" UHD TV
IAmDuckHammer
I should get a CRT TV or two for my consoles and an A/V switch box.
DianNaoChong
It's not that bad
DianNaoChong
Especially if you aren't used to the correct ratio. The input lag can be noticeable but you can adapt. This game is just stupid hard
TheGlow
Its the tv.
Au7h0r1ty
My PC emulation is spot on with a wired USB XBox clone controller.
JT1984
Which emulator? Both of the ones I tried are lagging g
dmorulez
I don't have issues playing on my Nvidia shield. I've played bad emulation, but most is perfectly fine.
thedaniel27
Same. Got retroarch set up with basically every system known to mankind and it works well.
DavidBrooker
LCD TVs aren't built for low latency. 100ms delay on your TV show is irrelevant. But it's very noticeable in a game.
vuickb6
[Laughs in Plasma] I love playing on my Analogue Super Nt.
Isorikk
What sorry excuse for an LCD do you have with 100ms latency?
SeismicCoin
theyre getting better all the time, but basically any TV that wasnt made specifically for gaming probably has >100ms latency if not in a >>>
SeismicCoin
special "gaming mode", especially cheaper ones. and note: TV, not Monitor. https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag >>>
Crosive
I agree, but they are getting better. My lcd TV's game mode gives me 11ms, which isn't 0 like a crt, but it's doable
WolfWings
Yeah, every single model of LCD out there does at least one frame of buffering. The aftermarket ZisWorks kits avoid that but that's $$$$.
behrditz
I used to work QA on Guitar Hero, very timing intensive. We called the giant LCD tv room the punishment room.
Revadarius
I was really into GH a decade or so ago. Honest to goodness it was bullshit AND dogshit to calibrate. If it didn't 'just work' then RIP.
behrditz
Yep. Calibration screens for music games tend to have your brain trick itself into thinking things are lined up, when they arent really.
myotherusernameismyotherusername
We recently had a problem trying to get GH to play well on a 60'' LED screen, after calibration the audio delay was 180ms, but curiously 1/?
myotherusernameismyotherusername
after disabling all video processing the audio was still a problem, and after hooking it up to speakers it was perfectly in sync. 2/?
Raven2311
So if u play it on a gaming monitor?
BelarusianPotatoFarmer
My LG would like to have a word with you.
vanfem
Had a modern LG and Samsung with their "game modes" on. Still very noticeable and feels absolutely terrible to switch from a gaming monitor.
DavidBrooker
A lot of TVs get down to 10-12ms in game mode, but most, by default, run at 100+. Gaming monitors often run under 5.
Kuroinoakuma
I personally have a triple 27" 1440p144Hz monitor setup, running at 1440p120, clean 120fps gameplay, clean & easy 60fps YT/Twitch output
CyberAkuma
Isn't that was the gaming mode is for?
Kuroinoakuma
100+Hz monitors are *built* to have sub-10ms refresh times, often built having like 5ms/200Hz refresh but given leeway for like 8.3ms/120Hz.
DavidBrooker
Yes. However, usually they can't reduce their latency as low as a monitor can.
ColdestOne
Too many NES games seemed fucking impossible. superman anyone?
ColdestOne
And Astyanex.
BluePaladin42
I finally finished Castlevania a couple years ago. Never did manage Castlevania III. The game is brutal. I see why people say the first one-
BluePaladin42
-isn't that hard now.
Kuroinoakuma
I believe the English Castlevania 3 is actually MORE difficult than the Japanese version. try the Jpn version next time playing it?
HouseOfEvil
The jet ski level in Battletoads.
StillNotYouTube
I had about 30 of them. Maybe beat 2 of them? Most of them I couldn't beat the 2nd level.
LikeTotallyNotTheNSA
Silver Surfer
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
T3 for the Snes. 25 years later still haven't passef that one protect shara mission. Tf.
Polysgone
I'll see your NES Superman and I'll raise you my childhood nemesis: Atari 2600's E.T.
archangel312
So many hours on that broken game...
randomtreebeard
That's I nightmare I had long since forgotten. Politely, f you.
PunkFloyd
E.T. was pretty easy if you read the manual. It told you what to do. Indiana Jones, though... I never had the manual for...
sadsquatch
Ataris Indiana Jones
SchrodingersDictator
Gameboy lion king.
ZaphodForgotHisTowel
Wasn't that game responsible for the eventual demise of Atari?
LeroyShabazAli
Why did I try sooooooooo many times!!!!!! It was fucking awful
aFadingMemory
Yes and no. It was a good thing to point at as the ultimate death blow. Atari: Game Over is a good doc on it. Free on Prime.
archangel312
Supes was hard as hell. Bionic Commando on the NES was my personal impossible mountain to climb.
SMB3
The Bionic Commando map was/is so confusing, I've never made it particularly far. Sky Shark was my favorite (other than SMB3 Obviously)
PunkFloyd
Such a great game. There was a trick to earning a full health bar early on. It took a while but you were basically unstoppable after.
astrangehop
I always charged ahead and forgot which communicator to use.
baals
Legendary game
BrockEffingSamson
I remember when I beat that game. Ram around the house shouting, then called my friend (who didn't get why I was so excited).
DiscountHero
I can't complete Castlevania.
PresidentCamacho0
Castlevania wouldn't be that hard if it werent for how getting hit sends you flying backwards and how many pitfalls there are. I beat it tho
DiscountHero
Input delay and fixed jump didn't help, either. Fucking medusa heads.
DiscountHero
Awesome that you beat it. Good shit.
2674E6J
What does he get if he beats "Battletoads"?
algavinn
A night with his step mother.
drunkpanther
At that point he might actually be 21, so any locally legal recreational drugs of his desire.
SVTbuckeye
Ps7
Lightshadow688
That's an optimistic estimate...
johnwill1480
Jumper cables, win or lose.
dasoffendor
I usually sit them next to the TV, in the line of sight, to set the tone
dasoffendor
"might as well win, right? I shouldnt be the only one who gets something out of this."
Bubbells
The real question is if he can beat the old tmnt games
BrockEffingSamson
Eyestrain, carpal tunnel.
MarkRavingMad
He gets Battletoads.
LurkyMcLurker
The best I can do is $50
DarkHeresy
Get it right pal, Battletoads on multiplayer. That is the true test of a warrior.
BramStocker
that's a punishment
BramStocker
i like it
Profanuum
Get behind the Bosses and they are bugged. Sad when you discover this.
toptrojanfan
That shit is impossible.
Lionskull
a top of the line PC.
Emulen
Dr jeckyl and mr hide next
Quylein
That's easier solo.. Harder if coop
koops
President.
PotatOSLament
cforcalvin
after i beat the log run i had to pause it and lie down
daringtons
Battletoads isn't that hard apart from the one busted fucking level
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Did you beat it to experience the other levels?
daringtons
In my youth me and a friend used to play it all the time
LordCommanderTomSnow
Only Brian Gaar has beat Battletoads.
kyylick
I actually managed to finish it when I was in my early teens, played with my brother. Tried it again recently... nope, no...
Dracongield
Oh God, turbo tunnel flashbacks...gaahh.
jellybeandaddyjl
The levels get worse...I've managed to beat it before...
BlackassMan
That was the last level for me
nipaxon
Never gotten past that. Played it when i was 10 years old and 23 years later and i still haven't gotten past that.
Cranbananarama
magicrhombus
Is it possible to beat battletoads?
MassStorageDeviceCanNowBeSafelyRemoved
https://youtu.be/-gDu601uXfs
Khikik
You could learn this skill....but not from a Jedi
DanteHicks79
Tree fiddy
Sparks1729
The sequel
pkrevbro
Hookers and blow
FuriousBakedPotato
A blowjob from dad himself
BeerBatteredandBold
Appropriate
JMaxGarage
That’s the right answer. That fucking game is ungodly hard. I did beat Ninja Gaiden 1&2 and Metroid, but never Battletoads.
PresidentCamacho0
That driving section is insane.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
There are 2. The internet had to teach me, cuz i never beat the 1st
PresidentCamacho0
I beat it on an emulator going at 50% of the speed.
ChristosMylordos
Gonads and strife
dirtyJamz
WEEEEEEEEE
MudkipsRevenge
MudkipsRevenge
Wow it's been awhile since I heard that!
Gnarizard
Alpha5772
I beat it on the Gameboy.
purplepizzaeater420
what does he get for beating “Silver Surfer”?
CalOShaughnessy
came here to ask this. Thank you.
tomfletcher894
I always wondered if that game was hard. Haven’t played since I was 7
KoolStoryBrah
I think that those underground hover bike jumping levels were insanely difficult and almost impossible.
TurgidMember
Supposedly it was made that way to make people buy instead of rent. Not too many kids could get through that in a weekend.
KoolStoryBrah
Bastards. I’m pretty sure I had a game genie or cheat codes to skip the level.
EarthDragon2189
Let me put it this way: The Rare Replay version has unlimited lives and a rewind feature and it's still almost impossble.
grisznik
I played it on an emulator couple of years ago (after AVGN episode). Even with the saving I got tired of replaying the levels (1/2)
grisznik
And I stopped playing on that moving snakes level. i first tried whole level without saving, then parts of it, then gave up completely (2/2)
dogmoind
Came here to say this. I couldn't even do it then.
EarthDragon2189
I still couldn't beat the Clinger-Winger without pause cheesing. That game is straight-up sadistic.
TheDogEnd
Battletoads is one of the very few games I never finished. I like challenging games, but Battletoads was just frustrating to play
Createausername101
There was this game called Crysalis or something to that effect that I could NOT figure out. Rpg.
nolyininbed
im actually proud to say i beat battletoads, i played the pit and motorbike lvl countless times, theres a pattern to the courses iirc
heeeeelllloooo
I don’t recall ever finishing a game - well maybe one of the Monkey Islands
TheDogEnd
Seeing as we're on the subject - I'll actually quit games like Civ5 when I get to a point where victory is assured. I could spend another 1/
TheDogEnd
couple hours grinding it out, taking each city across the planet...but why? I basically already won, I'd rather have those couple of hours.
Robtheshaman
Do you know anyone thats done that? Cuz thats legend.
ReplyingToTopCommentsIsHowIGetPeopleToReadMyComments
I made my 12 year old daughter play Ninja Gaiden until she beat it. It took her about a month.
Mircyo
A metal of honor
MarleafChef
Which metal? I wouldn't take anything less than aluminum
larrythelobster626
Fuck the jet ski level fuck that level straight to hell
Stroika
Beating that level required lots of time and memory. Did it a few times single player but 2 players was near impossible
larrythelobster626
I don’t think I ever beat it I think I just rage quit and never went back
SephiRothIRA
Imagine completing it and dying right after. That’s when I stopped playing the game.
Cranbananarama
Had that happen exactly once and could never complete the stage again.
SephiRothIRA
Yea if I recall ~30 years ago it goes faster and faster and you zoom out the screen into a new level where you walk around again. Died there
Cranbananarama
That faster and faster part is what always got me. I'd always forget the pattern and panic.
HectorMullvad
Man I hated that game after never being able to get past that level. What sick fuck would create a level that hard