The Earth is flat, it is also the center of the universe and everything orbits it. Epstein killed himself, there was a shooter on the grassy knoll, Elvis didn’t die, he just went home. I also have some ocean front property in Arizona.
Okay, let's follow this (unfounded) hypothesis that there is a vast conspiracy in lying to the public that the world is round when it's actually flat. The reasonable question to ask is "Qui bono?" - who benefits? WHY go through all this effort - what is GAINED from engaging in such an enormous body of work to cover up some apparently simple natural truth? WHY do it? Waiting for an answer, flat-heads.
apart from the fact you can literally see the curve if you look out to ocean from the beach (I know, I live next to the coast) you can fucking MEASURE A CURVE ON THAT FUCKING IMAGE. I drew a line with MS paint, its only like 2 pixels, but the ocean in the middle of the image is higher than the edges.
That's just a wave in between the camera and the wind turbines. Approximately 60+ meters in height, so there must by a cyclone in between the camera and the turbines. Or a tsunami. Use your brain, sheeplez!
Downtown Chicago looks like this from Illinois beach state park in northern Illinois. But “flat Earth” is not about whether the Earth is really flat or not. It’s an apocalypse cult and they choose to believe something that everyone else believes is false so that Jesus or Trump can show up and show that they were right and therefore the chosen ones and everyone else was wrong and going to hell or whatever. Don’t try to do science at them, that has nothing to do with their beliefs.
>https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ and also https://www.metabunk.org/threads/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.8939/ There is the curve.
I remember as a child I went on a bike trip with my dad on a long stretch of straight road and could see a school bus parking in the distance going up and up as I got closer. I was still in elementary school and grasped the concept of round Earth easily.
Ever ride a huge ass ferris wheel and at the top it looks like ypur on train tracks because ypu can't perceive the curve with your eyes because of the perspective. It's like rjat you flat earth fuckers
"iTs A lEnS eFfEcT oF tHe GlAsS iN tHe WiNdOW - aIrCrAfT mAkErS aRe In On ThE cOnSpIrAcY!" They will twist everything they can to hold on to their 'secret truth that makes them SpEcIaL'
Tell them to go to Ft Niagara in NY and look to the northwest. Theoretically Toronto should be visible across the water. But when you actually do this, all you'll see is the tops of the tallest buildings. You can't see the bases of them.
What is the point of this conspiracy theory? Why do they think the govt (all of them) would try to convince us we live on the ONLY planet that's not round. What purpose would that serve???
Pretty much all conspiracies popular in America at one point or another go back to either 'jews bad', or Christian fundamentalism, or a mixture of both. Flat Earth is no different.
From what I've gathered, a lot of it that Earth being flat makes Earth special, which makes humans special, which either proves God or that Earth is the center of the universe, etc. This means everyone is lying in order to try to convince us we're not special, because they're agents of the Devil, etc. Alternatively, the government is covering it up because it's trying to see how dumb we are, to make us follow their lies blindly, so only sheep will believe the lies. Typical conspiracy stuff.
That's not the point, the sort of person that falls into conspiracy theories crave the feeling that they're in on some sort of big secret. They know the things that "They" don't want you to know, and that the rest of us are just gullible or trapped in the matrix. Rationality seldom comes into it.
Exactly. Also, people who are deep into this kind of conspiracy are usually profoundly lonely, and conspiracy wingnuts are very welcoming to new people. People crave acceptance and community and personal validation a lot more strongly than they crave empirical knowledge.
What blows my mind about flat-earthers is how unbelievably easy it is to disprove it. Rent a sailboat and go sail around the world. Charter a high-altitude flight on a Mig-29. Send up a camera on a balloon. Forget the ground-based experiments, you can literally see the earth's curvature.
Which is why I specifically site the view from Ft Niagara in NY to Toronto. The city is just below the horizon, but some of the buildings are tall enough you can see them and know the city is there.
All the land is behind the camera, this is pointed towards the edge that nobody has been to because there are no methods to reach it.. I plan to invent a vehicle that can float on water so I can be the first to photograph it
I heard on the news that George Santos still has polls showing a 6% support. Also, 10% of Americans believe the earth is flat. That is a failed education system.
10% you say? That's less than the average part of average idiots in any industrialized country's population. There's not a chance in hell any education system can fix that.
This picture is obviously taken close to the edge where the water is falling off and wrapping around to the other side of Earth where those scary Austar aliens are. I heard from a friend, that if you dig deep enough, you can pass through the Middle-Earth and get to New Zealand. I bet the people look like lizards there.
I think it would look similar to how it does with low visibility, where ground and sky blend into another, but further away. Like, when you look into distance from a mountain, the landscape gets more and more blue, the further away you look, but at some point, it's interrupted by the horizon. On a large flat world, this effect would just continue, until at the furthest point you can see, it would look like a blue wall.
I think a society living on such a world would be somewhat likely to develop a belief about either a dome or a wall around their world. AFAIK, the idea of the flat earth having an edge actually came from people seeing the horizon and thinking that you can actually reach it.
I always just assumed it was a natural extension of the fact that any shape has boundaries. And if we're not on the outer face of a very large sphere, then the land must end somewhere. But there is no one unified flat earth belief, it's a bunch of different ideologies and the only necessary overlap is, well, belief that the earth is flat
I get your point, but I have to point out that you can actually see the curve of the basketball still. You would need to zoom in further to get closer to the scale of the Earth.
The real tragedy is how many of them have pretty decent scientific minds, and even do perform their own research - often correctly - but they're so poisoned that they can't take the last step to accept their own results. The netflix documentary on it is pretty wild.
That was the one that ended with them inadvertently proving the earth wasn't flat and them saying something to the effect of "well that can't be right", right?
That. If they get evidence that contradicts their hypothesis, one of two things is true: their hypothesis is wrong or the experiment was bunged up somehow, which they would need to prove. Anything else is not good science.
Yeah they set up a laser experiment along a river stretch, proved the earth is curved, and absolutely unironically turned to the camera and went "jeez, better not release THAT result!"
In general I agree. Given the requirements we (mostly correctly) impose on someone becoming a surgeon, this reasoning does not apply here. If you're going to be making game-time decisions on my vital organs, your reasoning in *any* medical capacity had better not be wrapped up in conspiracy garbage.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that. But he does need to use his critical thinking skills more, and listen to Fox news and his religious leaders about medical data a lot less.
If he can't be trusted to read and understand 100+ years of medical research showing that what he said can't happen, then yes, I feel he should lose his license.
pejabenav
I liked the comment that the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe
ItsPhotoShoppedByMe
Wake up! The moon landing was filmed on the underside of the Earth!
qshamtech
The Earth is flat, it is also the center of the universe and everything orbits it. Epstein killed himself, there was a shooter on the grassy knoll, Elvis didn’t die, he just went home. I also have some ocean front property in Arizona.
zangypoo
Also trump won
Canadoug
I love that flat earth documentary (can't remember the name) where they prove themselves wrong with their own experiment.
empath
"Behind The Curve", here's a clip of them actually doing the experiment: https://youtu.be/EBtx1MDi5tY
empath
Okay, let's follow this (unfounded) hypothesis that there is a vast conspiracy in lying to the public that the world is round when it's actually flat. The reasonable question to ask is "Qui bono?" - who benefits? WHY go through all this effort - what is GAINED from engaging in such an enormous body of work to cover up some apparently simple natural truth? WHY do it? Waiting for an answer, flat-heads.
Armouredfalcon
apart from the fact you can literally see the curve if you look out to ocean from the beach (I know, I live next to the coast) you can fucking MEASURE A CURVE ON THAT FUCKING IMAGE. I drew a line with MS paint, its only like 2 pixels, but the ocean in the middle of the image is higher than the edges.
tenaka30
So, we will never change flat earthers minds because we tolerate them?
EatPieLander
OldSchoolNewRules
Yep, totally flat.
MadnerKami
That's just a wave in between the camera and the wind turbines. Approximately 60+ meters in height, so there must by a cyclone in between the camera and the turbines. Or a tsunami. Use your brain, sheeplez!
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Downtown Chicago looks like this from Illinois beach state park in northern Illinois. But “flat Earth” is not about whether the Earth is really flat or not. It’s an apocalypse cult and they choose to believe something that everyone else believes is false so that Jesus or Trump can show up and show that they were right and therefore the chosen ones and everyone else was wrong and going to hell or whatever. Don’t try to do science at them, that has nothing to do with their beliefs.
Leonon
That's a lot of giants.
WoodfolkFae
I'll get my lance.
magila
I live on an island in the Pacific. When you look out over the water you can clearly see the curvature of the earth. It's obvious.
zangypoo
>https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ and also https://www.metabunk.org/threads/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.8939/ There is the curve.
JenkinsEar
I think flat-earthing is one of the best practical jokes in the history of mankind. And think how many are in on the joke! Hat's off!
Xenarion
I remember as a child I went on a bike trip with my dad on a long stretch of straight road and could see a school bus parking in the distance going up and up as I got closer. I was still in elementary school and grasped the concept of round Earth easily.
W0LFPAW
huffnpuff72
I agree. The straight line place on the image is straight.
Jawesome19
Ever ride a huge ass ferris wheel and at the top it looks like ypur on train tracks because ypu can't perceive the curve with your eyes because of the perspective. It's like rjat you flat earth fuckers
Zetor
See also: Climate change deniers
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
In my world we call them the bottom 5%
poundingCode
How can you believe the earth is flat after looking out an airplane window?
empath
"iTs A lEnS eFfEcT oF tHe GlAsS iN tHe WiNdOW - aIrCrAfT mAkErS aRe In On ThE cOnSpIrAcY!" They will twist everything they can to hold on to their 'secret truth that makes them SpEcIaL'
OdinYggd
Tell them to go to Ft Niagara in NY and look to the northwest. Theoretically Toronto should be visible across the water. But when you actually do this, all you'll see is the tops of the tallest buildings. You can't see the bases of them.
DeadeicPrints
What is the point of this conspiracy theory? Why do they think the govt (all of them) would try to convince us we live on the ONLY planet that's not round. What purpose would that serve???
DavidBrooker
Pretty much all conspiracies popular in America at one point or another go back to either 'jews bad', or Christian fundamentalism, or a mixture of both. Flat Earth is no different.
TyrTheTired
From what I've gathered, a lot of it that Earth being flat makes Earth special, which makes humans special, which either proves God or that Earth is the center of the universe, etc. This means everyone is lying in order to try to convince us we're not special, because they're agents of the Devil, etc. Alternatively, the government is covering it up because it's trying to see how dumb we are, to make us follow their lies blindly, so only sheep will believe the lies. Typical conspiracy stuff.
FrogBotherer
That's not the point, the sort of person that falls into conspiracy theories crave the feeling that they're in on some sort of big secret. They know the things that "They" don't want you to know, and that the rest of us are just gullible or trapped in the matrix. Rationality seldom comes into it.
FlatPlutoSociety
Exactly. Also, people who are deep into this kind of conspiracy are usually profoundly lonely, and conspiracy wingnuts are very welcoming to new people. People crave acceptance and community and personal validation a lot more strongly than they crave empirical knowledge.
zutty
Its a route into Q-anon and christian fascism.
TaiPan87
What blows my mind about flat-earthers is how unbelievably easy it is to disprove it. Rent a sailboat and go sail around the world. Charter a high-altitude flight on a Mig-29. Send up a camera on a balloon. Forget the ground-based experiments, you can literally see the earth's curvature.
LoudBirb
Fuck, just go to any major port and watch a boat or 12 disappear beyond the horizon.
TaiPan87
Those boats are just falling off the edge of the world. Duh.
OdinYggd
Which is why I specifically site the view from Ft Niagara in NY to Toronto. The city is just below the horizon, but some of the buildings are tall enough you can see them and know the city is there.
spitfires2000
If you look closely enough you WILL see a curve there, so NO, I DO NOT AGREE.
alcaray
If you put a straight-edge on a wall, at the beach, back up 10 paces and line it up with the horizon, you can see the curve quite clearly.
BigFatFailureTurtle
Ok now I have to try this. Not because I'm in any doubt about the curvature, but because it would be cool to see demonstrated so simply.
ourari
lens distortion ;)
FrogBotherer
Or a mirage, or some shit. Flerf excuses are entertaining feats of mental gymnastics.
MoonMoon89
I don't see any land there either. Perhaps it is below the horizon due to the curvature of the earth?
BubblesTheFish
No you see because https://media.tenor.com/Af8vmxc4Yu0AAAAC/guy-explaining-meme.gif
TychoTychoAlba
SEA HILLS
FrancisWithWolves
All the land is behind the camera, this is pointed towards the edge that nobody has been to because there are no methods to reach it.. I plan to invent a vehicle that can float on water so I can be the first to photograph it
GCRust
I swear to god, Flat Earthers are the folks who grew up on Video Game pop in and just internalized it as working like that in real life too.
Grimmrog
Nono, thats the view towards the edge of the earth of course.
OverMyDadBody
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
You gotta stand in the place where you were, now face west. Don’t think about direction wonder why you haven’t before.
MoonMoon89
That's only if your feet are going to be on the ground.
TI99Kitty
But is your head there to move you around?
darthstormer
Nah, sky just gets hazy in that direction.
CommodoreCrunch
They need go into the settings and disable fog of war.
xj4low
I heard on the news that George Santos still has polls showing a 6% support. Also, 10% of Americans believe the earth is flat. That is a failed education system.
Ifekinlovesauerkraut
10% you say? That's less than the average part of average idiots in any industrialized country's population. There's not a chance in hell any education system can fix that.
Baron29
...they got to you too...
Astral134
This picture is obviously taken close to the edge where the water is falling off and wrapping around to the other side of Earth where those scary Austar aliens are. I heard from a friend, that if you dig deep enough, you can pass through the Middle-Earth and get to New Zealand. I bet the people look like lizards there.
adiving
Huh no. The lizardpeople live at the centre of the earth. It's where they hide the Vrilia.
shonasof
That's just what they want you to think!
BurlRavenscroft
I’d love to visit a flat earth just to see what that horizon would look like. I can’t imagine it.
manulofdoom
I think it would look similar to how it does with low visibility, where ground and sky blend into another, but further away. Like, when you look into distance from a mountain, the landscape gets more and more blue, the further away you look, but at some point, it's interrupted by the horizon. On a large flat world, this effect would just continue, until at the furthest point you can see, it would look like a blue wall.
manulofdoom
I think a society living on such a world would be somewhat likely to develop a belief about either a dome or a wall around their world. AFAIK, the idea of the flat earth having an edge actually came from people seeing the horizon and thinking that you can actually reach it.
5amNonsense
I always just assumed it was a natural extension of the fact that any shape has boundaries. And if we're not on the outer face of a very large sphere, then the land must end somewhere. But there is no one unified flat earth belief, it's a bunch of different ideologies and the only necessary overlap is, well, belief that the earth is flat
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
whitefoxkei
Yeah, that's like the equivalent of low orbit or something. You gotta get closer to be more accurate
spinballwizardmtg
Perspective is a hell of a drug.
VegetarianWendigo
I get your point, but I have to point out that you can actually see the curve of the basketball still. You would need to zoom in further to get closer to the scale of the Earth.
Juni0220
ThEy uSeed a FiSheY= leMz
Badprenup
"Naw that's not the curve, it's just a hill"
digitreal
My thoughts every time a flat-earther says research.
wadenelson1
"Research"
drbwaa
The real tragedy is how many of them have pretty decent scientific minds, and even do perform their own research - often correctly - but they're so poisoned that they can't take the last step to accept their own results. The netflix documentary on it is pretty wild.
letsgoriderkick
That was the one that ended with them inadvertently proving the earth wasn't flat and them saying something to the effect of "well that can't be right", right?
NateintheNorth
That. If they get evidence that contradicts their hypothesis, one of two things is true: their hypothesis is wrong or the experiment was bunged up somehow, which they would need to prove. Anything else is not good science.
drbwaa
Yeah they set up a laser experiment along a river stretch, proved the earth is curved, and absolutely unironically turned to the camera and went "jeez, better not release THAT result!"
Dondarian
My brother is a surgeon. A GODDAMN SURGEON. And he thinks our cousin's breast cancer was caused by her getting the COVID vaccine.
digitreal
Just because you're smart in one area doesn't automatically make you an expert in another.
drbwaa
In general I agree. Given the requirements we (mostly correctly) impose on someone becoming a surgeon, this reasoning does not apply here. If you're going to be making game-time decisions on my vital organs, your reasoning in *any* medical capacity had better not be wrapped up in conspiracy garbage.
Dondarian
In the medical field, it doesn't matter. He SHOULD know better
jayman0123
then he should lose his medical license.
Dondarian
I wouldn't go as far as to say that. But he does need to use his critical thinking skills more, and listen to Fox news and his religious leaders about medical data a lot less.
jayman0123
If he can't be trusted to read and understand 100+ years of medical research showing that what he said can't happen, then yes, I feel he should lose his license.