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NOINITIATIVE
Don't forget cannibalism of P.O.W's
NOINITIATIVE
In fact George Bush vomiting on the prime minister seems fair considering what they did to his fellow airmen
017renegade
The UK after dropping all their remaining bombs into random German cities 12 hours before the Nazis surrendered because they realized it would be way too expensive to dismantle or store them safely.
Selerox
That's a pretty epic level of whataboutism. Just saying.
cAPTNcAPSLOCK
Just saying, but missing the point. This entire post is whataboutism. So, what made you draw the line here specifically?
4chanrefugee
Remember, they're only war crimes if you lose.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Or if you aren't the first to commit it before it's ratified.
BlindGardener
I mean… that’s really kinda one of the mildest war crimes or human rights violations that the UK committed during their long and storied history.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
My relatives living on the coast of England were bombed regularly by the British Airforce returning from bombing runs and dropping their extra ordinance.
DrMaggot
My grandfather living near dunkirk in occupied France back then also endured his fair share of spicy steel drops.
SixSixxtySix
You might look into what the Luftwaffe had done to Coventry in 1940.
FINNSTAR7
Grinch01
Nearly all people who commited that crimes are dead now...
redtails2649
That's correct
RiverHawk
Even if they come clean, like they should, those people were either given immunity or are long dead. Regardless of that Japan should apologize for all they did in a meaningful way, and learn a bit from the Germans how to handle internally.
JohnnyLawlessEsq
1) This is mostly false. A ***hell*** of a lot of Japanese generals and admirals were hanged after the war. In fact, there was very likely a huge component of racism to the Japanese war crimes trials, because a lot of Japanese leaders were hanged for things that most Germans got prison for. In fact, modern research has shown that at least a few Japanese leaders were hanged that probably shouldn't have been. Going by memory, Matsushita and Homma would be two examples of this. The issue, therefore
JohnnyLawlessEsq
2) is not that Japanese war criminals escaped justice. They overwhelmingly did not (unless you want to have the Hirohito fight). The issue is the modern Japanese government refusing to acknowledge that Japanese forces participated in any kind of war crimes.
mudkipbawz2
Won't most of the people making the decisions back then be dead of old age by now or be like 110 years old
Zerosixk
If anything that makes it easier for the current government to admit to the past crimes of their nation.
Tenookey
Dead is a reasonable excuse to avoid consequences
jasondeslin
Nope. Have a trial anyway. Let people know that even death is no escape from going down in history as a monster.
IamGelatinSkelly
Check out stuff on Unit 731. It's absolutely fucked
Fauxcused
People in the west focus on Germany but ask someone from China about WWII war crimes and Japan gets into the conversation quick.
nlx78
As someone from Rotterdam...all nasty things aside...I like the way our city currently looks because of the Germans bombing the hell out of it. Thanks Germany!
Selerox
Germany frankly and openly owns its past. Japan flatly refuses to.
TobiFuenke
Well at least the innocent Austrians and Italians aren’t dragged into that mess, too.
moonshadowkati
If you haven't read about Section 731... beware, it is some messed up shit.
nlx78
Was this on a podcast recently (or older one I listened back) from either Lex Fridman or Stuff You Should Know?
About the 'doctors' and their experiments. Horrible things that I have yet to hear about 'dr. Death' from Germany Heim or from Mengele
Gplusmods
Yes SYSK
Blunderwriter
Funny (not funny?) - my son brought this up a couple of weeks ago...I'd never heard of it. Apparently it's how we know the human body is (forget)% water. Fuckers dehydrated people to determine wet and dry weights.
Evi1Gav
It's how we know the extent needed for frostbite and gangrene, it's how we know the specificity of syphylis and how it progresses, how long before a human starves, how long before they dehydrate completely and a whole host of other things that are really fucked up that we have such precise data. It's also really, really frowned upon to have a copy of the books.
Merky600
I have and I don’t want to again. Plus The death March, and the Chinese city where soldiers had a killing contest (it was featured in Japanese newspapers) and rape under age girls w their bayonets…
makeSX
What about the forced rapings of family members in China, the be-headings of allied prisoners of war and cannibalism?
Merky600
IIRC George W Bush was a WWII pilot shit down as well as other pilot. He was rescued but the other guy was captured and eaten by the starving Japanese soldiers.
makeSX
And the *ucked up part in some of the cases was some spiritual BS of gaining honor or pee-pee power by eating your enemy.
Easykehl
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
MisterLemons
And remember, kids: this is what you can do to entities beneath you. If they're not human, then it's not inhuman!
(This has been a PSA for anyone observing a person or party pointing blame and alienating another person or party)
iklu
Ok, thanks. That was super disgusting
RockKickass
Wow, all of a sudden dropping the bomb makes a lot more sense
Zedrapazia
Still doesn't excuse dropping nukes to me. The people that were nuked aren't those that did that, likely, they didn't even know. Those were civilians.
But that's just me. If you Americans hadn't thrown your death bringers on the Japanese civilians, it would have been our neighbors.
When my grandmother died, we found Iodine pills for preventing radiation poisoning in her medicine closet that she kept there all this time - seems like she never stopped being scared you could poison us all.
jammer909
The bombs were necessary in the sense that it was the only way Japan would have ever surrendered. Shock and Awe, because a full scale invasion would have been hard fought for every inch forward with every single man, woman, and child fighting back and ready to die for their emperor. We killed 2 cities and prevented what would have otherwise been another 2 or 3 years of war ending in complete Japanese genocide, and a massive pile of American bodies.
moonshadowkati
America covered up their crimes and used their research :/
tylerlarson
Yeah, before we condemn anyone for war crimes, we should look in the mirror and say that everyone was doing it, so let's not talk about anyone specific because what about this other guy too.
firefighter26
*Canada looking at the Geneva Conventions realizing it was their list from WW1.*
MidnightBaelfire
Was looking to see if anyone had mentioned Canada and the Geneva Conventions yet.
TheSilverSeraph
Most of Asia still views Japan with suspicion because for the most part they refuse to admit any wrongdoing in WWII. Their prime ministers regularly visit controversial war shrines, promoting multiple diplomatic protests from neighbors. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Yasukuni_Shrine#:~:text=Visits%20by%20Japanese%20prime%20ministers,of%20religion%20in%20Japanese%20government.
Shoutrr
their version of pride is weirdly fucked up. Not as fucked up as the chinese one (mianse) but when it comes to their ancestors and what they did, they draw a blank, and most of it now is because they completely "forgot" to mention this in their history books.
ChocolateCookieAndFudge
I had Philippines colleagues back when I worked in New Zealand. They told me about the atrocities committed when the Japanese invaded. The Nazis have some serious competition for the biggest monster medal.
Misteree8
Yes, just like the US, they have crazy nationalist like the people in the right, they have their own. Its not exclusive to any nation or region. Lets not forget the US currently has a majority conservative SCOTUS. And we are not the best to our neighbors to the south either.
lonelyrangerofthedreams
Except that they was on the wrong side of WWII…
Misteree8
Should that matter if the context is about war crimes of the human torture or human rights kind? The US was on the right side, that doesn't justify forcing Japanese americans into internment camps.
autodidacticcortex
The history of conflict is much older than that even. For example, There was a whole time in Japan’s early shogunate, prior to the Tokugawa ascension, when warring daimyo had a dick measuring contest to see who could invade the Korean Peninsula the hardest. Best way to impress other wanna be shoguns? Stack up Korean bodies.
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spookyu
Ahh yes, the Samurai holiday, hop on a boat to rape and pillage Korea. They brought a lot of Korean women back with them too, enough that there's a fair bit of Korean heritage in some Japanese people's bloodlines, but no Japanese person would ever admit that lol
autodidacticcortex
Exactly! Are you a samurai growing weary of the constant internal wars? Refresh yourself with some easier civilian casualties and bring home a souvenir.
mercyPandaRunner
The short time i was on Twitter, i saw posts from an official JSDF account, where thex overlayed pictures of modern japanese soldiers with pictures of imperial japanese soldiers, making it loom as if they held each others hands, i can't recall the captioning, but it was what you would expect. Along the lines of "Treading in the footsteps of those before us, we serve Japan" or something like that.
That was... tone deaf at least.
Misteree8
I mean is that so different than Americans reenacting iur civil war as confederates, or carry conferate flags in the form of bumper stickers, or tattos? Lets not ignore the fact we got some equally bad politicians in major positions (boebart, greene, cruz, etc). Its so weird to view foreign countries as anything other than "they have similar problems like us, we just dont see it because we dont live in their day to day"
mercyPandaRunner
I'm not american.
Misteree8
My point still stands in that Nationalist/patriots/jingoists exist for every nation. Its not exclusive to only Japan.
MipMop
The problem wasn't just the mass killing of civilians because as you said, many first-world countries have engaged in some level of genocide. The things the Japanese "researchers" and soldiers did during WW2 disgusted even the Nazis. Entire villages of captured civilians were subjected to torture, rape, humiliation, weapons-testing, and killed for fun. They had head-chopping contests, killing over a hundred civilians at a time to see who could do it faster. Honoring them in ANY way is pure evil.
mercyPandaRunner
My point being the way it is dealt with both by society and by official institutions. The story was primarily an anecdote of what i had seen. But if you want to take it there, yes, i criticize every country that deals with its past that way and i categorically don't accept "Well, that happens everywhere, you know." as an argument for anything.
swedeonamoose
I mean when you do stuff that makes even the fucking nazi pigs go, wtf bro, then yea you might have gone a bit overboard on the inhuman experiments.
SgtButterFace
UwU ^_^
TripleDane
When Nazi Germany tried to cross breed male Gorillas with females Humans for Ubersolders.. They ran out of male gorillas first...
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
That was the Soviets not the Nazis, Dr. Ilya Ivanov attempted to create hybrids before he was cought up in Stalin's purge.
TripleDane
I might mis-remember here but I thought that one was earlier and with chimpanes not gorillas.
shuttlecockinakumquat
So much grape
pareidoliaperson
Did they tho? Did the nazi pigs (or nazi torture/sadistic scientists) go uWu? You know what I mean.
Tible19
It would've taken you a Google search to find bro, no you look a lil silly trying to put that person down lollll
makeSX
They did.
AllMaktAtTengilVarBefriare
There were even Nazis that made hardcore Nazis disgusted, the Dirlewanger SS Brigade behaved so insanely sadistically that even the rest of the SS hated them, SS officers even asked Hitler to disband them (ofc he didn't tho).
keystotheairlock
In Nanking there were several Nazi officers who did their best to create a safe zone for Chinese civilians, whom they were not at war with, and their accounts of what befell the remaining population was disturbingly grim, even by their standards. I am 100% NOT apologizing for their actions in other theaters of war, but even the Nazis in mainland China were horrified by the actions of the Japanese military.
Misteree8
Its a fun but short sighted statement where we use nazi's as the ultimate baddie. I get the point but, it ignores that nazi's arent this monolith of one track minded ppl, there were others not as fucked up as joeseph gobbels. Also, i bet those same ppl who created safe zones for chinese civs' would not have shared the same sentiment towards jews. It doesnt make them less bad,ideologically when they see asians 2 steps higher than jews in the totem pole but still below arians.
keystotheairlock
Oh I completely agree, sorry if it seemed like I was using those douchecanoes as a metric or reference point for human fuckery. WW2 was just an utter fucking disaster on all fronts, there's really no positive lesson to be learned from any of it. I'm with you on the second point too, and I would venture that, had there been a significant portion of the Europe population that had been of Asian descent, they'd be lined up for the camp trains like everyone else.
keystotheairlock
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe
Aksuuuh
Kawaiii! ^_^
AidanPrydeCork
Well, Unit 731 is the Reason we know that the Human body consists of a certain amount of Water. These guys were fucked up man. If you wanna read up on them, but you'll need a strong Stomach: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Aksuuuh
Nintendo! ≧◡≦
GenXHippie
Sushi!!
MapleSyrupMafia
Toyota!!!
Perkunas687
I actually got lightheaded reading through some of that, had to stop.
MrSyth
Even the russians were like "k that's fucked y'all are going to a labour prison camp". Meanwhile, the US: "Give us the info so we can use it and you get a pardon :)"
Fn0rd
Reminds me of the experiments in the extermination camps, Germany got a huge boost in medicine and anatomical understanding due to inhumane experiments on living people. Had the unfortunate experience of stumbling across a book at a friends house called „the yellow star“(maybe that’s the verbatim translated German title at least) when I was 11, which has all sorts of pretty pictures of open brain surgeries and such.
GenesisNynja
Ramen~!
StarmineRendezvous
I ain't clickin that, but I imagine they crushed people like car compactors till all the water came out, rather than *just* kill them.
GenXHippie
They went the other way with that.
AidanPrydeCork
think more in terms of beef jerky
StarmineRendezvous
Of course they did. Prolonged the pain for sure. Humanity has an ongoing contest to see who can be the worst group of people on the planet, and I am pretty sure the 'winner' has yet to play the game. Imagine we reach immortality, and some country gives a criminal a life sentence. "But I'm immortal!", they exclaim, only to hear in response: "And you shall remain immortal."- tortured forever.
DevTehYellow
Every country has their black mark in history. What matters is to learn from them and not forget them so everyone grows together and remembers the past
sherlockhooves
We can all agree that Japan sucks in so many ways. Like, oh God they are the worst in so many areas of societal morals and ethics.
Huor
Japan's behaviour in China was nothing short of genocidal.
RiverHawk
That label gets tagged on too easily. They are war crimes, they are crimes against humanity, but they didn't try to wipe out the Chinese race or a specific sub group.
Huor
Ah, a genocide apologist. Lots of you around lately. Boy are you wrong in this one. https://medium.com/dose/the-asian-holocaust-killed-twice-as-many-people-as-the-nazis-did-877f0a7c664
RiverHawk
Because it isn't. War crimes, yes. Atrocities, definitely. Crimes against humanity, yup. They are categorized as mass killings but weren't genocidal.
Huor
You're really turning yourself into a pretzel here. Rather than waste my time arguing with you, I'm just muting you forever. Have a nice existence, freak.
cytherians
China wasn't saying much for a long time while Japan became an economic superpower. But the tides are changing. The things we see China aiming to do to Taiwan? Well, it won't be long before they start toying with Japan.
Meanwhile, history is history. It's all about the people of today. Japan is a peaceful country. China has been peaceful except that it's now bordering on becoming hostile. Taiwan is very nervous and for good reason.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
Japan also had a Joy Division…
Sixsystems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
welluhwhatdoyouwantmetosay
drduffer
Once again, there are no “winners” in war. Doesn’t matter if you’re on the side of the “righteous” or not. Eventually, everyone loses.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Everyone loses something, but some clearly come out on top. Both the UK and the US were victors in WW2, but for the UK it was the beginning of the end for their status as a world power. For the US it was the start.
nlx78
Marshall Help was just to get Western Europe back as equal trading partners for the US. I forgot why my country, the Netherlands, got loads more in comparison to surrounding countries, maybe the port function. Or being like the 2nd or 3rd 'buddy' since they got their indepence (and we loaned them billions worth today):
The total amount of the loans was 30.5 million guilders; converted to today’s money, this amount is equivalent to 22 billion US dollars!
brendino87
But.....but....anime...lmaooo
PanNonOpticon
Reading all the comments and people mention US, Italy, UK, even Canada, but not Soviet Union. That is some nice PR work for Soviet Union when everybody forgets their war crimes.
YourBiologicalStepDadUncleRob
Like the Rape of Nanking??
Helpfullifetips
Germany's war crimes are underrated to most people who don't have a more in depth knowledge of WWII. They had actual plans to starve the entire Slavic population. Japan's war crimes have been noticed more lately with declassification, but part of it is offset by the fact that they treated their own troops with the same callous disregard, particularly the Army. Russia has really skated by the most on their war crimes, from the Katyn massacre to the ravaging of Eastern Europe.
dashriproc1
Japan forced captured women into military sex slavery and hate admitting this practice. Shameful, Japan. Just shameful.
rockmanx853000
The human/biological experiments are horrible but there’s another event that goes farther. There was a massive campaign going through China where the Japanese soldiers raped nearly every girl and woman they could find. The military allowed it so they can get their animal frustrations out but some of these women were mutilated during rape with the lucky ones being killed. The descriptions of what they did to young girls not even in puberty her is horrendous.
AutoFox
Most modern-day Japanese citizens are barely aware of the war at all, let alone what their role was in it. The Japanese education system is VERY light on mid-20th century history; it basically goes Admiral Perry, modernization, "some world wars idk" and then the JAPANESE ECONOMIC MIRACLE!!
logmicj
Had some Japanese exchange students in high school talk to our class when we were studying Asian cultures and history. Asked them if they had been taught about Japanese war crimes during WWII, they were uncomfortable talking about it but said they are learning more about it in school than their parents did. Just like I learned more about what we did to Native Americans, Jim Crow, war crimes during Vietnam. Takes time to honestly look at your country's past.
MightyIink
I don't care what countries did before anyone was born, I judge the people who are alive now. It's never too late to stop being a dick.
Qualtagh
I think the big issue with Japan's past crimes is that there is rampant denialism of them to this day. Modern people aren't responsible for the crimes, but it's sus as all fuck when they pretend like their culture hasn't recently held the potential for horrific actions. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it and all that... and we do NOT want that one repeated
kamosey
As a German, fuck this whataboutism
ilovetraveler
I don't know that this is whataboutism. I think it's shedding light on Japanese war crimes that people didn't know about. Germany has admitted their war crimes and wrongdoing and worked hard to educate people about it so it doesn't happen again. As far as I know, Japan has done the opposite and refuses to acknowledge the atrocities and evils committed.
joshshello
It shouldn't be whataboutism. It should have been holding Japan as accountable for WW2 crimes as Germany. Instead us helped brush it under the rug to gain "research" and an allied nation in the far east to be a check on russia
kamosey
A country can only hold itself accountable in this case.
Zanano
They both sucked!
Feralkyn
Yeah the German perspective isn't "what about Japan though?!"--I get what this animation is trying to say (that Japan did some crazy fucked-up shit that comparatively few people know about) but it's fairly tone-deaf as to the German culture of acknowledgment of its own atrocities
tarataqa
As an apathetic agnostic apolitical American, I absolutely agree.
RalphH
haggerton
It's not about Germany it's about Japan.
nlx78
Whatabout
/s
kamosey
But saying that Germany is jealous (title) is very much about Germany.
mercyPandaRunner
Yeah.
I'm worried, because a certain sentiment of "jealousy that others got away with it" seems to be proliferating with the rise of the far right in the recent decades.
"Everybody else can brainlessly wave around national flags, pretend their countries history is a series of glorious deeds and build a political culture of cheap tribalistic superiority by personally claiming achievements of people who happened to share the same passport. Why can't we?"
erfnax
A new version of the Stab-in-the-back myth, if you will.
BlindGardener
Japans entry into imperialism was about jealousy that the west got away with it. So too has been China’s.
kamosey
Exactly. And I don't know anybody that feels this way besides the extreme right. Or maybe it's just some American interpretation. Either way, a very slippery slope.
mercyPandaRunner
I grew up in a pretty left of center environment. I do remember being baffled when i first heard someone say "Every other country can do that. Why not we?" And i encountered that quite a few times.
It may just be my age, but i feel the WM 2006 was a point were that whole discussion about normalizing jerking off to the flag started. At least that's when i first encountered it and i have been seeing it grow ever since.
Grapeape2000
Germany spent a significan effort in apologizing and educating their own kids about what went on. Japan - - crickets.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
No japan spent significant effort in trying to downplay and dismiss what it did. Definitely not crickets.
Nekron35
meanwhile in japan
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
...The fuck??
vaxilist11
Meanwhile in Germany a Fascist party, the AFD, a party whose members praise the SS, is growing with each election cycle even more and may soon hold power. Call me again when in Japan a pro-Japanese Empire party gets that powerful.
cytherians
⬆️⬆️⬆️ THIS.
Germany was remorseful. The people were so incensed with how they'd been brought down that path by the Nazi Socialist regime that they not only criminalized the public display of Nazi paraphernalia, but also mandated teaching about the war and what Germany did wrong.
Japan? "What we did? How can you ask that when we were delivered 2 nuclear bombs! We will not dignify your question with a response." No, they won't admit to anything.
vaxilist11
Tell that to the Germans currently voting for the Fascist AFD party by the millions.
JackHL01
Those are mostly to punish the established parties, frustrated voters and idiots. I agree, way too many germans do. and there is no excusing this.
Bear in mind though, the US democrats are like germanys centerright party CDU/CSU and the Reps are at least on par with the AFD.
cAPTNcAPSLOCK
Honestly, Germany is pretty much the only nation that accepted full responsibility for their past. France? UK? USA? Japan? Russia? Everybody else? fuck that noise. Wooooo Empire great! Woo, native Americ..who?
JackHL01
We are still remorseful. That is why, after all that's happened are still kinda supportive of israel.
Same goes for our inabillity to support the ukrainian war effort as good as we could.
SophieClockwise
America, after employing most of the remaining Nazi scientists, and helping to cover up the Japanese atrocities in exchange for being given their torture "research":
KleptoKea
And after committing genocide against the native people of the land, and after decades of slavery, followed by decades of apartheid even after slavery was abolished. Oh and incinerating countless innocent civilians including children and babies with nukes. Sickeningly, a lot of Americans to this day feel the killing of children and babies with nukes were justified.
Misteree8
Thats global politics, which sucks. Yes operation paper clip happened and many nazi scientists were pull away from war trials. Pls dont forget Russia was doing the same. In the end it was a bad means to and end, making sure russia didnt win the cold war.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Let's all go visit the bunnies on Okunoshima! They're cute enough to forget that it's war crime island, and the bunnies that live there come from all of the rabbits that were let loose from the war crime labs UwU
Dahliaisahedgehog
^^^^^
KYGELL91
Im glad their allies turned down the research and abstained 😂
MipMop
Turned out it was useless anyways. As the first commenter said, it was pretty much just torture under the guise of 'research'.
And that's just the one unit, the soldiers on the field were truly evil. Civilians were fair game for torture, rape, humiliation, weapons testing, and straight up killing for the fun of it. They held literal killing contests where the challenge was to behead 150 people with a sword as fast as possible. Upside is a fast death, the poor women... they got it the worst...
JaceTiger
The issue is that it wasn't all deemed "useless" though. Some claimed it "advanced the understanding of medicine and biology" and that sickens me. There should be ZERO apologies for that shit. Yes, the allies (especially USA and Canada) did some fucked up shit too. No whataboutsms. There's a large number of good reasons China and Korea hate Japan within living memory.
MipMop
"Women suffered most. No matter how young or old, they all could not escape the fate of being raped. We sent out coal trucks to the city streets and villages to seize a lot of women. And then each of them was allocated to fifteen to twenty soldiers for sexual intercourse and abuse. After raping we would also kill them." - account from a Japanese soldier
MipMop
A fifteen year old girl was locked naked in a barracks housing two hundred to three hundred Japanese soldiers and raped multiple times daily. American correspondent Edgar Snow wrote how "Frequently mothers had to watch their babies beheaded, and then submit to raping." YMCA head Fitch reported that a woman "had her five-months infant deliberately smothered by the brute to stop it crying while he raped her."
MipMop
There's a lot more fucked up shit. This wiki article amassed a lot of information about it. NSFL though, there are pictures of the victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
gemaeuer
America, after installing their own camps to incarcerate Americans citizens of Japanese ancestry ...
dferd777
You should read the book; The rape of Nanjing. The US committed atrocities, but don’t you can’t “what about the US”. We’re talking about Japan’s atrocities. If you want to shit on America, make a post, and we’ll be right there with you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
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https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-rape-of-nanking
jimjong1
They weren't saying anything in Japans favor, they were saying America wasn't perfect. Someone could use a similar 'argument' but bring up Auschwitz against the meme. Pointing out bad things doesn't need to lessen other bad things
Tible19
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/hidden-horrors-japanese-war-crimes-world-war-ii#:~:text=This%20book%20documents%20Japanese%20atrocities,noncombatants%2C%20and%20biological%20warfare%20experiments.
And you feel the same way about the all lives matter movement I assume? It absolutely is harmful to direct people's attention to already well known atrocities in the middle of a conversation revealing unknown war crimes that were perfectly covered up.
dferd777
Exactly my point. Thank you.
7hatsBollocks
George Takei's family was robbed of property, dignity, and for a time, freedom, but there's next level shit with japan....
Sw1ftTurtle
That's comparing apples and orangutans. Are you so desperate to make the US the centre of the conversation you are saying stupid shit like this? The US has never been perfect but they were not encouraging and celebrating sadistic shit like the Japanese army did. The two are completely incomparable in every way.
datphone777365
Uhhh wait if your only talking about specifically during ww2 maaaybe, but if ya mean just in general the us did plenty of sadistic shit to poc before, during and after ww2. We arent the good guys we just have better pr ppl and deeper pockets.
Sw1ftTurtle
Like an army spokesperson asking two soldiers to pose for a photo with a baby on the end of their bayonets to put in the national paper to encourage support for the army?
The US has had sadistic people but as far as I know it's never been the government encouraging it and then showing the public how proud they are of it. And as far as I know the public weren't outraged.
datphone777365
Seems some states offered scalp bounties, now you could argue that was a state bountie and not a federal but that seems like semantics.
CliffWestern
Before jumping in here that original comment was a inappropriate whatabout and I am not defending that. I will say tho of the things you mentioned The only thing that the US wouldn't have done is pose for the picture. We have on numerous occasions massacred women and children with and without orders from the US government.
hjf2011
Imagine me, as an Argentinian, knowing this and having to hear idiot americans say "nazis went to argentina".
PobbitBreakers
we kept nazi's and italians in the states for slave labor, then after the war they were put a bunch on boats and shipped them back.
migratingotter
Nazi is made plural the same way italians is—just add an s. If you add “‘s” to it, you must then add whatever it is that belongs to the nazi (nazi’s uniform, nazi’s crime, etc.) and it denotes just one. Nazis is the plural form of nazi.
BlindGardener
They did. They also went to Russia. The nazis went a lot of places
Selerox
Where was Eichmann found again?
5m4llP0X
The ones who couldn't get into the US via project paperclip. Essentially the ones who weren't in science fields.
Gaelwyn
Yeah but the ones that went to Argentina weren't the "useful" Nazis. Those came to the US.
hjf2011
yes nice whitewashing
hjf2011
so you say it's no problem if they are Nazis as long as they have something to contribute. thanks.
Gaelwyn
No, I don't say that. I think they all should have been executed and I don't care what they could contribute. But the US government has never cared about anything other than furthering its own goals, and it never had an issue commiting genocide itself, even against its own people, so that shouldn't be hard to understand. At any rate, I was just stating what happened 80 years ago.
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madeejit
What's the German word for nominative determinism?
Gaelwyn
It was a generalization. People who the US felt could further our goals (like scientists) were allowed to immigrate and forgiven for their part in the war (if any). Anyone else was not, and some of those people went to Argentina.
I'll take it a bit further and say that most politicians or military personnel fleeing a country after they lose a war are afraid of facing the consequences for things they did during the war and/or they expect retribution from the new government or the people.
Gaelwyn
https://www.history.com/news/how-south-america-became-a-nazi-haven
nothingunused
What's crazier is, the Japanese did a lot of terrible stuff _to Americans_, and then they helped covered it all up.
EchoDelta141
We dropped 2 16 kiloton nukes on them, we got the last punch. Play nice or die because the Japanese empire was out of control with land invations, capture of neighboring territories and cruel experiments on par with the nazis. A Japanese samurai vs an American western cowboy with a revolver loaded with 2 bullets. They had no chance. We had no choice.
StarmineRendezvous
Our government has never exactly been shy about experimenting on it's citizens. We're cattle, not humans.
ZuluAssault9
Yes, but counter arguement: money. People trade blindfolds for greed every day.
jimjong1
To be fair, America did a lot of terrible shit to Americans too
Youraccountisbannedagainalready
To be fair!
jperez8883
Check out what they did to Dr. Pedro Albizu Campos, tortured, encarcerated and prosecuted, An American citizen, Harvard graduate
datphone777365
zaqx
Was this back when America was “great”?
dposton70
It's what the GOP is trying to start "Again"
myth1250
does*. It’s not just a past tense thing by any means.
PobbitBreakers
Well, You dont say - Native American
blaghart
next you'll tell me the entire US police force system was founded on targetting nonwhites and the impoverished...
bril350
And blacks, Mexicans, Irish, etc etc
dposton70
The poor, women, children, gays, ...
OmnesMundiLardum
Noticed that black the only category you didn't capitalize.