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LightStriker
Don't have to think the moon is an hologram to know the CIA is doing evil shady things.
djangojazz
Why do we say 'mainstream' media? It's giving weight to the rise of QAnon and all these conspiracy sites that don't vet things.
Freyja33
No matter how bad you think the CIA is I guarantee you they are *much* worse. They are so cartoonishly evil it's hard for people to believe.
thepsudo
Has anyone read "Legacy of Ashes" about the CIA? Is there a better/contrastring book on the CIA's history?
popeyeNL
I don't think this is the case.
letmypeoplego
Right? Is there a citation of this "mainstream" opinion that the CIA is all good? I've never heard that in my life.
BlackHartMTB
Gina Haspel being promoted to director of the cia, shows you they don’t even care about optics.
MeestowKitty
There is a line that can be crossed in believing conspiracy theories. Flat Earthers, Lizard Folk believers, Anti-Semitic Blood crap (1
MeestowKitty
but anyone, ANYONE who tells me that the government does nothing wrong, and never covers anything up, clearly isn't paying any attention. (2
MeestowKitty
There is so much out there about the horrible things they've done in the past 50 years alone, including irradiating Americans for (3
MeestowKitty
for research, exposing soldiers to horrible viruses to find treatments, cures, and info, and even pardoning war criminals and rewriting (4
MeestowKitty
history about WW2 (The Innocent Wermacht Myth), to benefit themselves in the Cold War and beyond. Our Government is built on lies and (5
MeestowKitty
evil acts, and its not crazy to learn about it, call it out, and seek change. It IS crazy, however, to believe in pedo cults in pizza places
ACMech
I thought they invented the term “conspiracy theory” to make people sound like whack jobs
AMBM2
Remember: the Bay of Tonkin incident, used as justification for the US war in Vietnam that killed millions, was later admitted to have been
AMBM2
Massively distorted by the government, with parts entirely made up, so they could start a war
hammersquirrel
Technical Services is where the real magic happens
tzahtman
drduffer
Isn’t that where Q works?
doublejubean
I believe Ron is currently unemployed
hammersquirrel
That’s where Sydney Gottleib worked
drduffer
Dammit, should have clarified: Q in the James Bond Movies.
SomeOneHasBeenLookingForYou
I understood the Bond Q ref at first... and didn’t link the “new idiot Q” until after your 2nd comment
rbudrick
Hardestpartisfindingausernamethatisnttaken2
I knew what you meant
drduffer
Thanks. Hate it when I reread something and have a moment of clarity 15 minutes too late.
CoarseAndSalty
Ranted 99% of us were wrong about what the CIA did. So if they are doing bad things it's only relevant to 1% of us who guessed right.
TerrenceMorgan
Hmmm yeah not gonna comment on this, if anyone thinks this is a simple Imgur answer, then you don't understand the problem
ImNotStalkingYouBTWYoureOutOfMilk
It's quite a simple answer; They're funded and sanctioned to do whatever the fuck they want with impunity, and so they do exactly that.
LastStickOfRAM
People are sooooo ......
SpartaGuss
How oooo are they?
apeshigh
Gullible
FallingStar7669
You have to understand that these are people of the Internet. The common clay of the New Age. ... you know. ........................ morons.
torisenblack
JustEatingBagelBites
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CaptainThePirate
uless.
aleister94
........up to something
LooseyGooseyBrett
Honest
caaarrots
Have you met people?
LooseyGooseyBrett
I've met Ted
ihavethelowground
People=shit
kopiovastaava
FiendishDoctorWuTangClan
CynicalPrints
Have you seen what Russia has been up to for the last 100 or so years?
MrRandom314159
I'm legitimately asking this. What does the CIA do that ISN'T shady as all hell?
junkgoof
They only built Guantanamo even though they know torture doesn't work.
chrizzle2323
Project Shamrock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK
Groetgaffel
Look up a book called Killing Hope. It's a chilling read.
Speedmetal05
Central Intelligence Agency. It's in their name. Spies and assassins ready to fuck shit up. Sauce: me, a former Guatemalan.
nameiuseforimgur
Don't forget about the FBI.
Tubbygold
Epstein didn't kill himself
QuantumReek
It's really dumb. I feel like you can't bring up any discussion about the alphabet bois being less than moral without being labeled a nut.
manamongstyou
Nah, I don't see that. I think most folks around the globe know that the CIA have done/are doing pretty horrendous shit.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
It’s not labeling nuts. It’s just that not every current conspiracy can be justified by previous wild ones existing.
kittybuttwiggle
The CIA created conspiracy theorists to make people skeptical of accusations
digitist
Every time I hear the source is 'US Intelligence' or the like, I just figure it's made up bullshit to sell another trillion in defense.
VodkaReindeer
Surely they've figured out what giving drugs to people does by now?
moreSaucePlease
So wait, they’re the ones behind the space lasers after all?
billyrayvirus
Always have been.
Rifneno
No, that was Osea. https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/Arkbird
TheInitiated
No, that would be Hydra, one of their subsidiaries.
stonks100blackberry
Don’t question my authority!
JiffyGee
Only the Jewish ones /s
datphone777365
Dont forget the mexican cartel freeze ray.
chiefrunswithscissors
Can we abolish the /s thing please. People misunderstanding sarcasm is half the fun
moreSaucePlease
https://www.sarcmark.com/
SmoeAhsolse
I think it's done to ward off being downvoted for looking like you're serious.
datphone777365
Maybe/s maybe not/s
khora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
snootbooper8000
Same when it comes to medical absue and neglect. We accept what we know as reasonable but if there is any question as to whether it's 1
snootbooper8000
happening today gets you labeled as anti-science. black women and child mortality rate in the US is comparable to that of the '3rd wrld'....
NotWelcomehere
Should have said "across the board" like all races and demos except the ultra rich...it's nuts!
snootbooper8000
But it's not across the board. Black women are 4x more likely to die during child birth than white women. Serena Williams, a wealthy black 1
snootbooper8000
woman almost died during the process due to neglect. Class is a factor, but in many cases, race does override. There are way more examples 2
snootbooper8000
that don't make national headlines.
NotWelcomehere
What's messed up is Post Birth Maternal Mortality is up too! Preeclampsia and other shit isn't getting found bc hospitals stays so short!
snootbooper8000
Yes! But if you question doctors, then you're some tin foil hat conspiracy theorist who doesnt trust science. I keep saying it's not 1
snootbooper8000
science that i dont trust, it's people who misuse science, act with folly, or are just downright neglectful.
thoushaltnotpass
The difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory is evidence. "CIA is bad, m'kay" doesn't count as evidence.
QuiteADapperAsshole
Well, no it's an evaluation not evidence. Is the evaluation based on evidence? Maybe?
ZucchiniBobbini
The CIA quietly puts out record (aka Evidence) of what they've done way after the fact
thoushaltnotpass
Then there's no way to prove the conspiracy exists. If you bring no evidence, there's no way to make a difference between false and true
sentripetal
CIA is probably still doing fucked up things. That doesn't mean they implanted 5G microchips into our vaccines. Get over yourselves.
Rinshu
What do the idiots think the 5G chips do?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
"But I am important! How would they not want to know my every move? After all, my scathing reviews brought down a local lemonade stand!"
tesseract4d2
I think they're talking about stuff like misinformation campaigns against minority rights movements and training white supremacist militias
somethingslightlyclever
AtypicalMammal
Real conspiracy theories are often boring and mundane. Bribes and bureaucratic shenanigans.
Kongur
Oh come on, I need the high speed. Who do I have to call?
Markamanic
No, we're going to get tracked with 5G microchips in our blood. Instead of our GPS computers in our pockets.
Markamanic
By which we regularly, voluntarily, broadcast our exact location to the world.
Littleoldladygotmutilatedlatelastnight
Where did he say 5g microchips into vaccines?
sentripetal
It's the conspiracy theory du jour. He didn't mention any of the batshit theorists talk about because he's a coward that knows he's wrong
MarxAvenger
If they wanted to inject you with a chip, they'd need a much bigger needle.
ProppaGanda
No, they just conduct operations against progressives using defamation, funding far right groups and who the fuck knows what else.
DrDred
UlfricStormtoke
Yeah, the CIA does fucked up things that further their goals, not things that the government is basically allowed to do since the patriot ac
Override9636
It's way cheaper to just buy all the data that the telecoms already have off you.
zer0phucksgiv3n
I thought the govt was putting in a back door to access all the info?
FiendishDoctorWuTangClan
Seriously people line up to throw cash at the companies that make the greatest mass surveillance devices ever created. But yeah vaccines...
usedpatiofurniture
Buy? Ha!
Nuttsy
Well, it depends; "Hello, I'm Mr. Jon Doeson from NotAFront.inc, would you be interested in selling a few petabytes of data?" probably-
Nuttsy
-raises fewer eyebrows than "Yeah, it's Big Brother on the phone, hand over those browser histories!" More quiet-like.
tomattow
Only take!
delecti
The crazies don't think the CIA is doing that, they think Bill Gates is.
HasteTheFool
You guys believe in Bill Gates?
DisgruntledFerret
If you'd ever heard someone expound at length about the "deep state" (presumably the exits were blocked), you'd know how wrong you are.
BobaFettApproves
... there’s so many more departments doing fucked up shit ...
cdbeard199431415
Doesn't make it ok for them to do fucked up shit too
BobaFettApproves
How could you have interpreted my comment to think I was possibly saying it was?? ... I’m saying it’s even WORSE than we know.
cdbeard199431415
It's not like we were talking in person. When you are reading something through text it is easy to misunderstand. The way it was written
cdbeard199431415
made it seem like it was implied.
datphone777365
Like ice!
xxdiaperprincessxx
The nutters who think 5g chips is a thing make people disregard new accusations of the myriad of extrajudicial shenanigans that do happen.
monkeyfly
I maintain that a lot of the die hard conspiracy theorists are government agents for specifically this reason. And in true conspiracy /
monkeyfly
Theorist fashion I expect them to prove me wrong.
xxdiaperprincessxx
Pick any decade in which cia operations were declassified or uncovered, and look for like five minutes and you will find something that >
xxdiaperprincessxx
seems too fucking out there to be true. Truth serum? Audio equipment surgically implanted in a cat? Extraordinary renditions?
xxdiaperprincessxx
It widens the gamut of sheisty things they can do in the 'nobody is going to believe a word you say, and if you do we will bury you' zone.
Irishda
Who the fuck said they don't do bad things? They just don't do the batshit crazy things conspiracy theorists think they do
RSJunis
dunno - killing JFK was kinda batshit crazy
RowanUnderwood
Oh Really? https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-us-taxpayers-secretly-funded-the-countrys-first-modern-stink-bombs
Sandyundertones
Ya, people way overestimate the CIAs ability to cover their tracks. We usually know what they do.
LemonRust
Have you read their archives of things they put online? Shit's crazy.
ImTripping
Not batshit crazy maybe close but they tried to make fadel Castros beard fall off....idk why but they did
DrProfessorProfessorson
Oh, removing a democratically elected leader (1950s Iran) and then saying the Western forces are actually in the ME to promote democracy...
DrProfessorProfessorson
Is pretty crazy
Rifneno
So you're not familiar with MK Ultra?
Irishda
Are you? Or do you just have an idea in your head fuelled by pop culture that tells you you do?
MorrighanWolf
Like what overthrowing the first democratic country in the Middle East's history?
Crowlands
Like summoning Satan by diddling kids in a pizza parlor.
MorrighanWolf
Crowlands
That's what Qanon believe. Don't blame me!
MorrighanWolf
I didn't need to know about that
DrProfessorProfessorson
Operation Paperclip was pretty insane
SmaugTheTerrible61
If you believe that I got a murderous cop for your neighborhood.
TheRockDude
idk, MKUltra was pretty batshit crazy
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TheRockDude
? "conspiracies is a fallacy"? The exposure of wrongdoings does not inherently prove that unexposed wrongdoings don't exist
Irishda
It was but the original conspiracies were off kidnapping and mind control, not "let's see if LSD makes you psychic"
TheRockDude
Psychic? Nah man, MKUltra *WAS* about mind control. Seriously, look it up
TheRockDude
In particular, Operation Midnight Climax was a subproject in which they hired prostitutes to lure people into warehouses to be slipped -
TheRockDude
- LSD and other substances, then fed subliminal messages telling them to kill or harm various people
JackIsLacking
They stole that idea from the nazies though so can't really say they came up with it. Just.... reapropriated the crazy is all.
DildoRodeo
They... they did it, though. They did it. The conversation is did the CIA do crazy shit. They did.
delecti
Nobody cares where the CIA gets its ideas. If they're doing crazy shit, they're doing crazy shit.
JackIsLacking
I was just making a reapropriation joke. But I forgot imgur doesn't understand jokes....
Anewandoriginalname
From my understanding, jokes are usually funny.
RageMojo
Its amazing how normal you can make State crimes seem, when you whip up some idiots into believing 5G causes Covid.
Irishda
Nothing normal about them; they just weren't conspiracies uncovered by YouTube bloggers who got info from internet forums
charlie2979
You can make people believe shit like that because equally insane shit does happen and is denied until it's proven.
charlie2979
The bar gets pushed so far nothing becomes unthinkable.
pdxenburg
Who has time to notice if we're committing crimes against humanity in other countries...CIA is probably living it up right now
RageMojo
Other Countries? Snowden is living in Russia for exposing Homeland crimes and no one gave a shit.
pintDMG
Compared to the batshit crazy things they have in fact done, most of the conspiracy theories these days are actually pretty tame ...
Dagordae
Satanic child prostitution rings who are based in a pizza place is realistic? You do know what the conspiracy theories are, right?
pintDMG
And if you'd told anyone in the 50s that MKUltra was a thing, you'd have been met with the same. Not that that makes PizzaGate true.
pintDMG
Though, that said, PizzaGate itself isn't a CIA conspiracy theory either, so ... your point?
Dagordae
Yeah, the CIA gets stuck into it. You do pay attention to QAnon, right? I mean, you can’t be here wondering why people dismiss conspiracy
storebrandproductmascot
I don't believe the Q nonsense, but that actually does sound realistic compared to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty
Dagordae
Only if you’ve never paid any attention to the history of espionage. Kitty radio is fairly normal compared to some of the weird shit people
Dagordae
Pulled in WW2. Also, using a hilarious failure as an example of how the CIA could totally be behind replacing most/all birds with super
delecti
Those nutjobs didn't attribute that to the CIA. They thought it was the DNC.
libaf
Yeah! Decades of death squads and coups in latin america alone is NOT BATSHIT CRAZY!
Irishda
That wasn't a secret, Americans just didn't care
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Those were/are pretty well known. We literally sent an army to Grenada.
uzerok
If that is true, maybe Earth is flat after all!
libaf
It's true and you can read all about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America The list>
libaf
of sources is purdy long.
blurgh
trying to create sleeper agents by abusing children with the help of nazi scientists
DaMummy
The UN was getting paid for having drugged child sex slaves in Bosnia, and the US partnered with child sex slave having war lords in 1/2
DaMummy
Afghanistan to get prisoners for Guantanamo Bay. Turns out some of those were innocent, and those war lords weren't trustworthy.
humptysorthopedic
I will look into that but "the UN" is probably far removed from delegates, involves military and mercenaries COMPLETE lack Western standards
humptysorthopedic
NOT TO SAY that West standards perfect us, but it's diff from say Nigeria where Muslim song led to official death penalty on blasphemy.
Ididnotknowthatwecouldchangethese
As an American, um, western standards?
DaMummy
I get that the UN isn't US alone, but would it be fair to label those Afghan war lords as US mercenaries? Or CIA training the Mujahideen 1
charlie2979
Supplying guns to Israel, who sold them to Iran in order to fund death squads is as insane a conspiracy theory as it gets.
Sandyundertones
The guns we bought were so it bloc weapons the Isaelis captured from their neighbors. They weren't ours to start.
charlie2979
We sold them a significant amount of TOWs and some HAWKs. Both are now produced locally in Iran.
Sandyundertones
They bought both from the US direct in the early 70s before the overthrow of the Shah. The comment was about Iran Contra.
charlie2979
Yeah, they also bought both whilst under embargo.
GoddamnitClown
Except it's really mundane. Conspiracists take mundane secrets (or imagined secrets) as proof that aliens really did 5G Covid into their ESP
Irishda
It wasn't a conspiracy. Domino theory goes back well before that and Americans happily supported dictators over Communists for decades
charlie2979
It is a conspiracy, it's not a conspiracy theory. My point is if wasn't exposed you'd be called a wackjob for believing it.
Irishda
Except US attitudes towards Latin American countries were never secret. We openly backed guys like Noriega. The only reason it was a secret
Irishda
was because of the sanctions against Iran. And the secret was exposed pretty fuckin fast too because that's how secrets in government work
QuintinParry
I would disagree, giving weapons away to "allies" that are eventually used on us or 2 commit atrocities happens a lot. We should know better
charlie2979
Why? It works. We supply our future enemies and weaken our current enemies therefore future proofing. The Cia etc guarantee its future
charlie2979
Survival through shit like that. Everyone's happy.
CosmicWonders
It sounds crazy, until we remember that the U.S. is also the reason that ISIS was given weapons & had support to expand & kill so many
CosmicWonders
https://www.newsweek.com/how-isis-got-weapons-us-used-them-take-iraq-syria-748468
charlie2979
But they were fighting Assad and therefore Russia. They must be good??? Not like we've done the exact same thing a million times before.
charlie2979
And it turns out the same way every single time. There is no good right wing death squad.
chromed
You put that on par with the theory that CERN destroyed the world in 2012 with a black hole and we're all in an alternate reality now?
charlie2979
That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just true.
IIBM
the CIA did that? I thought it was the reptilians
chromed
Or that the denver airport is home base for the illuminati and also a gateway to hell? Or flat earth? Or hollow earth?
chromed
Frankly I just think you don't have any idea how crazy conspiracy theories get if you think arms dealing is top of the list.
3Davideo
Yeah, having Israel and Iran cooperate on ????ℎ??? is pretty nuts.
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charlie2979
Makes you wonder if they're the threat we like to paint them as. If someone will genuinely destroy my country if they have the chance.
3Davideo
Yeah, remember last year when people kept alleging that a US-Iran war would be WW3? There was NO way it would've reached that level.
charlie2979
I probably don't sell weapons to them.
charlie2979
If there weren't on the record proof that it happened it'd be up there with Bush did 9/11.
lovelybone93
Bush didn't do 9/11, but he didn't read intel reports beforehand about this, also the US created the bin laden problem.
charlie2979
Yes.
AFistfulOfDollHairs
What about the human experimentation? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
charlie2979
Shits crazy. I cannot imagine a world in which anyones ever held to account for what they've either done or been complicit in.
charlie2979
At least everyone associated with Beria was immediately executed after Stalin died.
SSColonelHansLanda
They also called Osama Bin Laden dissident when the Saudi government revoked his citizenship back in the 90s, only to come later and blame
SSColonelHansLanda
the Saudi government of enabling him after the 9/11 attacks although the Saudi intelligence have warned several times about his intentions.
charlie2979
CIA asset Bin Laden? There's not a terrorist group in existence that hasn't at some point been funded and armed by the CIA.
SSColonelHansLanda
The CIA even paid for travel expenses to whomever wanted to join Alqaeda against the Soviet Union.
charlie2979
Alls they've gotta do is fight against someone we at the moment don't like and we'll fund them. We recognised the fucking Khmer