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mfrybeasley
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OtisTheTownDrunk
I'm highly skeptical of their claim about the strength of hemp fibers.
MrListerTheFirst
Gives a whole new meaning to "mile high club".
BendOverAndIllShowYa
waddyaknowjoe
Flying High
Nuclearun
Why is this not top comment?
Affablesea9917
suuuure
HeHeHebieJeebies
is this like the other hemp composite body panels - 98% plastic / metal - with 2% hemp ?
mikeatike
woozle
Treblaine
I swear that movie mixed up Cannabis and Nitrous Oxide.
woozle
my guess was pcp. probably both
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
"What keeps happening to our hemp-oil fuel? It keeps disappearing!"
Lightsmith
You understand hemp oil has horrible efficiency....
ICampOntheFirstDate
So... resin fiber composite and fuel oil. Yeah, nobody has ever thought of those items before.
PutThePRNDLinD
Getting high on cannabis...a whole new twist.
Filanwizard
Flight 420 cleared for landing on runway 69
Wuz314159
"according to the company".... Are YOU going to trust a bunch of stoners?
wadenelson
cough cough BULLSHIT. cough
OrangeFlavours
Which is marketing bullshit.* I'm sure the firm that SELLS HEMP is going to make claims about how much better their product is.
tomatoboy
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/roadwarriorvoices/2015/02/03/high-times-in-the-worlds-first-hemp-aircraft/83842662/
lucivjov
Lol good humour in the writing
Like2Fox
Source: https://hempearth.ca/2020/05/06/the-worlds-first-plane-made-from-and-powered-by-hemp/
donsterkay
Hmmm a url with mepearth as its name. No bias there......./snark
Like2Fox
You mean the company who is developing it? Or did you want me to link to someone's post on Twitter that's a screencap of an Instagram page?
Hurrdurrimgurr
Planes aren't made from steel so I don't know how that compares...
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Atomic2
Its almost as if "strength" isn't necessarily the metric we need to measure the material by.
Feralkyn
Big airliner planes are made from composite materials now
CatchySensibleName
You fools! That's not what they meant when they said, "let's get high!"
pewterpenguin
Fyi, turbines can run on nearly any liquid/gas fuel, they use special jet fuel because it can guarantee a clean complete combustion...
marsgoose
Those are piston engines and a kit airplane https://www.velocityaircraft.com/v-twin
pewterpenguin
Yeah, if you saw the description, it doesn't say "made" it says "designed" meaning it's probably someone's pipe dream by theoretical numbers
pewterpenguin
Also, because of widespread adoption of Jet A or Jet A-1, turbines will continue to get optimized specifically for those fuels
donsterkay
And jet fuel (which is a lot like kerosene) is taxed differently (if at all).
pewterpenguin
It's very often kerosene with additives for antistatic or for temperature adjustments, but all jet fuel designations are specifications....
pewterpenguin
Of performance rather than of composition, therefore they *can*make it from anything that can teach those specs
Treblaine
How high does it get?
TheSelfGratifyingInstigator
Just fyi, the plane in the photo is not what they are talking about. The plan pictured is a varient of the long-ez home built airframe.
4EVAGUNNER
Another Burt Rutan special.
Zehryah
Velocity V-Twin to be exact
maholt
ArgonSpark
That was George Carlin. Of course he was high.
marsgoose
Green is sus. That's a velocity v-twin kit plane. https://www.velocityaircraft.com/v-twin
DerLarry
Less expensive than I thought I'd be
skylardarkfox
I knew that looked familiar. I was thinking it looked a lot like a Rutan design, but couldn't place it. It's not, but it's inspired by one.
marsgoose
I hope to be have time and money for one once my midlife crisis kicks in.
Elvenbane
Looks like they're the ones who built it: Florida company, Velocity, Inc. is set to manufacture the plane...
Elvenbane
https://hempearth.ca/2020/05/06/the-worlds-first-plane-made-from-and-powered-by-hemp/
Adester
i don't like the x times stronger claims. Materials have multiple properties that could be "strength" and it can't be better at all of them.
eratosthenesearth
Who cares? I mean if you can smoke it.
spooksterz
For working with microalgae based oil, I'm also sure oil from hemp is neither cheap neither sustainable at large scale
ExecutorHideo
Compared to regular oil, at least its renewable...
spooksterz
Not if we don't manage nutrients better. We also are amid a phosphorous crisis, and N fertilizers are derived from fossile fuel
CokieMonster69
Plus this design looks more like a composite. Apples to apples, how strong is it compared to a composite? Tensile, compression, etc
FearOsheema
And it's not. Likely tensile. They figure you don't know about sheer, or compressive strength, so they talk to us like chumps
Adester
e.g. something can't be more brittle and more ductile, but both properties are relevant for different structual applications.
OddlyPacific
Ice is "harder" than "metal"
Atomic2
This. Also we don't make planes out of steel, they're usually aluminum alloys.
AlabamaBlacksnake
This material is probably comparable to carbon fiber composite, hemp fiber in place of the carbon filaments.
Atomic2
So maybe it makes more sense to compare this with traditional composites used in planes rather than something we don't actually use.
Shaows
ThrownClub
Lmfao that is exactly what I was thinking
MrGinn
That movie has another cool vehicle.
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ballsoutflyer
MUF DVR
melterj
Cheech and Chong did it.....
treed240z
You gonna eat the rest of that Hot Dog...
barbarian818
damn, beat me to it by 2 hrs and with the exact same pic I was going to use.
navagon
Hey man, how's my driving?
ballsoutflyer
Ah! You beat me to it!
RichardFenn
"it's called, fibre weed"
MagikarpOP
Thanks for posting
MrGinn
One of my favorite movies.
TomBrokaw
Lost Due to Incompetence (Theme for a Big Green Van) by Yesca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKKN-CtpQ_c
dasharknbear
We are changing from a code 3 direct pursuit to a code 347
idrinkcheapbeer
Where is your license? It's back there on the plate.
dRxUgz
Exactly what I thought of lol
kaneinencanto
Well, that certainly explains Lamar's design choice... https://youtu.be/6I35sjMgkEA
Shaows
Yup, and the whole mission is a reference to a similar one CJ did in San Andreas
kaneinencanto
Now that I don't remember... which is weird considering San Andreas was my introduction to GTA.
Shaows
Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muqo_uwiKrY
kaneinencanto
Ah yes that one, a bit of a stretch to call them related beyond weed and a van being involved. CJ didn't even get hotboxed on the way. Lol
NotSteveWozniak
Shit, it's true: https://www.news18.com/news/auto/worlds-first-plane-made-and-powered-by-hemp-is-10-times-stronger-than-steel-2284551.html
donsterkay
Is that a Fox channel?
marsgoose
pess X to doubt, it's a kit airplane https://www.velocityaircraft.com/v-twin
TheLockheedMartini
Man has been claiming to be making this plane for nearly 10 years and has nothing to show for it.
TheLockheedMartini
Most claims of hemp as a wonder material are just from people trying to get growing weed legalised in the US.
commentsivehadafew
If it catches on fire mid-flight, there will be considerably less panic
CgnCalling
“Up in smoke”
kevinUnityClicker
A smokeable plane? Keep it away from Cheech and Chong.
KilroyLichking
...calm as hindu cows...
GSA1386
Giving new meaning to flying high.
ThisGuyHere
"STAY CALM, THERE'S A FIRE IN THE MAIN CABIN!" "dude.... why all the yelling?" "Yeah, you seriously need some chill, my man..."
thewalkingdebt
Caution: may get soggy during flight and be unsmokable... err, unflyable
Heibrin
Hence why its called the Icarus plane... fly too high and the plane burns up...
knotch2
Hey the wings on fire man! Ohhh shit that's lit ::everyone on plane laughs as it starts plummeting::
SackCrow
"inflight drinks and snacks will be available shortly before deplaning"
iCantSleepUntilHerButtTouchesMine
Better than at the disco
rollingdashacredotcom
Hemp has low thc so it won’t get you high. Usually lower than 0.3%. Has all the other benefits of weed, just not high thc
coffeebaby
Ackchyually...
Larsiam
Delta 8 Thc gets your high and is legal
rollingdashacredotcom
Very true. Heard they are trying to make it illegal. Get it in while you can!!!
TALLIFitClicker
Delta 8 is .03% thc. The thc sold in California, is usually 80-90% thc.
Larsiam
Delta 8 is <.03% Delta 9 thc it's 100 Delta 8 thc
commentsivehadafew
Agreed, but for the purpose of this joke, hemp will get you super-high
rollingdashacredotcom
bandanasforscale
Oh.. I thought you meant it would burn way faster, thus kill everyone before they had time to really panic
QuesadillaConQueso
xj4low
Basically rope fibers. I have a hemp Tilly hat that is nice. Good luck getting it cleared by the FAA.
ShiftingPattern
CBD, which is frequently abundant in hemp, will reduce anxiety.
DoctorDerpper
Hey man is the plane on fire? Naw, it's in the air, floating on the air man. Good point, why would it float on top fire.
splitmyseem
I read this in Cheech’s voice.
IllegalDuckling
Updraft, man
TheNamesAshHousewares
That was a good movie, maaan
IAmTheKiltCommander
What’s up draft?
TELunus
Not much, what's up with you?
Cartoones
Mxlespxles
IAmTheKiltCommander
Cartoones
How high are you?
rebelhead
IDK. Ten times stronger than steel and light? Seems like a marketing statement.
Antoniorocko
It would be a composite, hemp fibers in some matrix. Also UTS is not the only consideration for an aircraft design.
WickedSludge
I can only imagine it's carbon fiber only the fiber is hemp fiber. We've been making planes out of composites like that for a long time.
DavidBrooker
The general term for these materials is "FRP", or "fiber reinforced plastic". Glass fibers, GRP, or more commonly fiberglass, was the 1/2
DavidBrooker
first to jump from words only used by nerdy engineers into common use, and is still the most common. Fibers can include glass, carbon 2/3
DavidBrooker
fibers, hemp, wood, or aramids (like kevlar, nomex, or nylon) (and many others in niche applications). 3/3
PlaidBastard
Old cotton fabric is good enough if you just need to make a carve-and-glue foam boat waterproof and rigid.
lilmookie
I mean, people don't make aircraft out of steel really, it's usually aluminum
Cthulhu2121
And I doubt it's lighter than wood and cloth construction from ye olde days
putcleverusernamehere
That statement was made after the edibles
martineb72
It's like carbon fiber and chip board. It is the glue that makes them strong.
rebelhead
Carbon fibre is crazy strong. But only upon one axis. Otherwise it's only as strong as the epoxy.
ThePartyLeader
Maybe it's 10 times stronger per lb of metal.
DavidBrooker
It's stronger than steel without qualifier, although there's significant overlap. Steels range from 150-3000 MPa (depending on alloy 1/2
DavidBrooker
and heat treatment). Hemp fiber range from 250-4000 MPa (mostly depending on fiber diameter). 2/2
donsterkay
I've never smoked metal
japh
Saying "stronger" means literally nothing without describing the stresses, yield strength, modes of failure, etc under specific conditions.
ThePartyLeader
I'm stronger than several pickles
canseeclearlynow
iLynux
This is a modern hieroglyph.
asmallcat
This whole thing sounds like nonsense.
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thelegendofthetwistednavigator
Mosquito was balsa for a lot of it
ScrotusFezziwig
Ok boomer
Ghlargh
It sounds like an unrealized concept, note that it says they designed it, not that they built it.
Evi1Gav
Given we don't make planes out of steel, it also feels pretty redundant.
PlaidBastard
Translated: [allegedly] hemp can apparently be a fiber reinforcement for space-age epoxy to reach similar numbers as with non-kevlar nylon.
MysteriousAsTheDarksideOfTHEMOOOOOOOOOOON
Ford made this a long time ago and said the same thing
basiccricket8444
That was soybeans wants it?
MysteriousAsTheDarksideOfTHEMOOOOOOOOOOON
No it was hemp
basiccricket8444
We are both right!
dudechaos
Correct. They did soy beans. I don't remember the hemp specifically but everyone has experimented with hemp.
drowninginthesouth
It's as strong as the binder it's mixed with.
xyxyxyxy31
Anfalicious
I have a hemp plastic yidaki, it can't really get wet. Guess it's come a ways in the last twenty years.
TheobromineAddict
That's a didgeridoo? How do you play it without breath moisture?
Anfalicious
It's been rained on before, dropped in a river. The sense I got was don't let it live in a damp place, or get soaked.
Anfalicious
It'll delaminate apparently.
skwint
thickest hemp fiber least tensile strength (250 MPa) has more than the variety of steel with the least tensile strength (150 MPa).
Marsupialmessiah
And 7071 has a tensile strength of 572 mPa which makes hemp pale in comparison
Doompug
I think you mean 572 MPa
Polskifiat126p7
Talking about UTS is all by itself is a bit of a problem. Tool steels are in 5200 mpa 750ksi range. I wouldn't make a vehicle out of that.
Polskifiat126p7
As tool steels achieve that strength by sacrificing other properties like, ductility and fracture toughness. Aerospace steels typically,
Polskifiat126p7
Can get up to 260-300 KSI UTS without sacrificing too much on other properties.
DucktruckOG
I'd like to see a transverse tensile test for hemp fibers, or a charpy. Just so we get apples to apples. Whats the AMS spec for hemp again?
Marsupialmessiah
Planes are not made of steel tho, they use Al 7071 stregth not being the only important characteristic for a plane, flexibility is more impo
skwint
Oh sure. I love carbon fibre. But the text in the image said "10x steel".
bigguywhokills
AL 7071 is an Aluminum alloy, not carbon fiber: http://www.aircraft-grade-aluminum.com/aerospace-aircraft-grade-aluminum-sheets-bar-block/
donsterkay
source?
enferno8
I would start with matweb.
skwint
Thinnest fibers of hemp with the maximum tensile strength (4200 MPa) stronger thansteel variety with the highest tensile strength (3000 MPa)
Marsupialmessiah
Where did you get your numbers? You are way off from what Perrys lists for structural and hardened carbon steel.
BryanTenn
Material strength is more than just tensile strength. Modulus of Elasticity is a better scale imo. And I bet raw hemp fibers are almost zero
iamthemansheep
The article says "hemp fiber composite" so think carbon fiber or fiberglass but with hemp instead
BryanTenn
I doubt the strength by weight comparison includes the polymer binder.
skwint
This from a website that, if biased, will be biased in favour of hemp. It's a bit stronger than steel, but not 10x.
OmnesMundiLardum
That strength is only in one direction, and only in tension. Outside of all the other factors that go into material selection for planes.
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Carbon fiber is 7000 MPa, for reference.
JaceTiger
Might be "strongest hemp vs weakest steel"
DoWGray
Also, tensile strength is great, but it's only one factor - steel's way stronger in most else
NotABot6969420
I appreciate you mentioned the possible bias of the website, not many do. Hats off to you sir
Atomic2
Thats cool and all but we don't make airplanes from steel.
dontevenknowwhy
Last time I heard jet fuel and steel together in a sentence, shit did go too well
Unholytrashpanda
That's what I was gonna say
MushroomFiend
I mean, the Mig-25 is mostly steel, but that's mostly an outlier.
FluffiestRhino
VaultGirl69
All good points. I like seeing people learn new things from doubt rather than taking every image as gospel. ?
mikeatike
But you don't make airplanes out of low grade steel.
JayEnfield
mikeatike
I stand corrected.
SunsGettinReaLow
Oh I love this.
SirSparblington
Comrade...
Tomcruiseisinyoursockdrawer
By killing the hemp industry a bunch of rich fucks could control lots of industries the most useful plant on earth would've dominated. 1/
Tomcruiseisinyoursockdrawer
(Oil, steel, textiles, paper, etc) So maybe it is, pound for pound. /2
Adester
The problem with these "x times stronger" statements is that materials have diffenent "strength" properties that exclude each other.
Bmxrider70763
Yes, things like tensile strength, ductility, and brittleness all have to be taken into account when considering a material for construction
Mack1986
Hence why aluminum is used instead of steel... you need flex
Tomcruiseisinyoursockdrawer
I'm assuming you have more knowledge than me and therefore agree you're correct.
clawthewolf
The most important ones being Tensile (resist being pulled apart), compressive (resist being crushed), and shear (resist being ripped paper
WhyWouldIUseMyRealNick
Sp there is some global conspiracy against hemp?
Tomcruiseisinyoursockdrawer
Is it a conspiracy if no one really conspired? There was a lot of lobbying during the early twentieth century to make it illegal.
WhyWouldIUseMyRealNick
Who was lobbying in my country? If it really was superior, do you really think no one would have used it already?
MikeReese9
Especially introducing the word ‘marijuana’ along with racism into the matter. And shifting from telling people it would make you wild and