The science stuff helps when you hit plateaus. Negative reps didn't help me when i hit a plateau. But doing tony littles technique if cranking out a couple more mini reps in power position after hitting last rep to failure helped me pass some plateaus. Knowing to at least keep time under tension instead of slinging the weight is a big one lot of new lifters need to learn.
Depends on what your goals are. Strength? Power? Speed? Hypertrophy? Fitness? e.g. power lifting is not the same as body building or olympic lifting. They are different. Gymnasts aren't strongmen. BUT - while you can get deep into the science of it, if you found something that works for you and most importantly that you like, then good for you. Keep it simple and enjoy it, because it's definitely better than doing nothing.
I saw a similar post just yesterday that was like:
Me, at my office job where I sit down all day: I engineered my diet to have precisely 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight and maximize all possible micronutrients!
Steve, a guy who does physical labour and could lift a semi truck: Two gas station taquitos and an energy drink please
grease the groove. You workout for 1 period for 60m. He workouts for 5-15m sprints for 8 hours. Grease the groove is the principle that you will get stronger over time if you do 60% of your max THROUGHOUT the day. So everytime you get up to pee, do 5 pullups. Get up to pee 6-8 times a day, you've done 40 pullups that day spread out over an 8 hour period. military strength regimen.
If you have a sedentary job and do a well designed strength training protocol consistently for years, you will get much stronger than a guy that does physical labor all day. Hard physical labor builds endurance more than raw strength, and makes you too exhausted to also do lots of focused strength training on top of it. Competitive strongmen who hold strength records for things like actually lifting trucks (e.g. vehicle deadlifts), usually do save all of their energy for focused training.
I wouldn't have an issue with it if people were actually training/just having a hobby, but these are the most condescending fuckers at the gym and create the hostile environment that used to only exist in planet fitness ads
There're all the patterns and increasing reps and increasing weight and what not. My plan is 3 sets of 10, if it was too easy at the end, go up next time.
I mean you can't just keep doing that forever. You're going to plateau at some point, and to get over that plateau, you can't just keep lifting heavier.
Yeah, but you can just copy what competitive strength athletes actually do to get over a plateau, without reading the latest scientific journal articles or anything. Mostly things like varying rep schemes, e.g. trying more volume and less weight for a while, doing a deload week, or adding in certain accessory lifts. None of that is new, but can keep you progressing for decades when done consistently.
Yeah you're probably right, but I get the feeling that there's a certain group within the lifting community that for some reason just dislikes the idea of "science based lifting" on the grounds that "just lift and eat, it's not complicated". As if there's anything within science that contradicts lifting heavy weights and eating food...!
'We're either fish or not fish.' - Also Hank Green, probably. 'Everything, or nothing, is tuberculosis.' - John Green, perhaps. 'Turtles all the way down, or hippos all the way up.' - John Green, ostensibly
This is true, I am a scientist and a strength athlete, and I used to follow all of the scientific literature and try to adapt my training accordingly, with hardly any benefit. Then I joined a strength training club, and just copied exactly what the guys winning strength competitions were doing without any reasoning or rationale, and I got way stronger quickly, and started winning comps myself. We don't understand biology enough yet for what people are trying to do with "science based workouts."
Gymfluencers are grifters in every sense of the word. If you're actively trying to be a body builder, you'll find out more than they're teaching you through the community, and if you just want to be fit/healthy, their snake oil attempts at daily relevancy is less helpful than just working out and keeping with it.
What we're really talking about here is theory or mechanistic biology understanding based workouts, vs just copying what worked for other people in the past. Both are possible to approach scientifically, by experimenting to see what works for you. What most people find though, is that the theory stuff is just mostly not useful yet, the simple stuff that works best has no clear mechanistic explanation. That will likely change, as we understand the underlying biology better in the future.
Honestly, gymfluencers feel like kids who take 13 years of music theory, learned all the names for all the mathematical combinations music has to offer, only to be upstaged by the guy who really likes jamming on guitar every day and is just playing what sounds good.
There's a great video floating around about what we think being fit and strong looks like versus what fit and strong actually look like. It shows body builders, who look amazing, but then compares them to the best Iron Man athlete in the world and power lifters and it's a very, very different look. Point being, if you want to work out to look good, great. But if you just want to be fit and strong, it ain't gonna look like that. Also the fit look often involves very intense diet and dehydration.
dank69
Anatoly is that you?
hsalonen3000
When Z was the mark of Zorro, not Russian bastards.
datphone777365
Science beat science?
sadurdaynight
The science stuff helps when you hit plateaus. Negative reps didn't help me when i hit a plateau. But doing tony littles technique if cranking out a couple more mini reps in power position after hitting last rep to failure helped me pass some plateaus. Knowing to at least keep time under tension instead of slinging the weight is a big one lot of new lifters need to learn.
johnblood616
Memes are hard
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Crispy4Skin
https://imgur.com/TivYd1U.mp4
ComoSeIguana
I literally just watched Zorro last night.
themorah
This is such a frustrating take haha
voidshouting
ok jeff 'uhm actually, you are doing it wrong' nippard.
robpaschal
Best lifting advice I ever was given: Be proficient before you are efficient.
StealThisRepost
"Perfect. Do it again."
yamsonyamsonyams
As if progressive overload hasnt been studied for decades
linexnewt
Depends on what your goals are. Strength? Power? Speed? Hypertrophy? Fitness? e.g. power lifting is not the same as body building or olympic lifting. They are different. Gymnasts aren't strongmen. BUT - while you can get deep into the science of it, if you found something that works for you and most importantly that you like, then good for you. Keep it simple and enjoy it, because it's definitely better than doing nothing.
drinkthederpentine
What if I told you science has reached the same conclusion and called it progressive overload
admweirdbeard
Just lifting heavier than last workout is science backed tho
NaughtButOne
I saw a similar post just yesterday that was like:
Me, at my office job where I sit down all day: I engineered my diet to have precisely 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight and maximize all possible micronutrients!
Steve, a guy who does physical labour and could lift a semi truck: Two gas station taquitos and an energy drink please
voidshouting
grease the groove. You workout for 1 period for 60m. He workouts for 5-15m sprints for 8 hours. Grease the groove is the principle that you will get stronger over time if you do 60% of your max THROUGHOUT the day. So everytime you get up to pee, do 5 pullups. Get up to pee 6-8 times a day, you've done 40 pullups that day spread out over an 8 hour period. military strength regimen.
Xenarion
Energy in vs energy out.
universeHacker
If you have a sedentary job and do a well designed strength training protocol consistently for years, you will get much stronger than a guy that does physical labor all day. Hard physical labor builds endurance more than raw strength, and makes you too exhausted to also do lots of focused strength training on top of it. Competitive strongmen who hold strength records for things like actually lifting trucks (e.g. vehicle deadlifts), usually do save all of their energy for focused training.
eetsumkaus
"science" based workouts are for maximizing how much you can work out in a week. There's no need for them unless you aim to be a serious athlete.
RufusPimperton
I wouldn't have an issue with it if people were actually training/just having a hobby, but these are the most condescending fuckers at the gym and create the hostile environment that used to only exist in planet fitness ads
Volmaaral
I’ve been noticing this clip getting back into popularity. Love it dearly, though it’s makin’ me feel OLD.
cdlong
There're all the patterns and increasing reps and increasing weight and what not. My plan is 3 sets of 10, if it was too easy at the end, go up next time.
Xenarion
Isn't just lifting heavier than last week also science based?
eetsumkaus
I mean you can't just keep doing that forever. You're going to plateau at some point, and to get over that plateau, you can't just keep lifting heavier.
universeHacker
Yeah, but you can just copy what competitive strength athletes actually do to get over a plateau, without reading the latest scientific journal articles or anything. Mostly things like varying rep schemes, e.g. trying more volume and less weight for a while, doing a deload week, or adding in certain accessory lifts. None of that is new, but can keep you progressing for decades when done consistently.
udmurt
I feel like this is a false dichotomy
RufusPimperton
I'm 99% sure it's a joke.
udmurt
Yeah you're probably right, but I get the feeling that there's a certain group within the lifting community that for some reason just dislikes the idea of "science based lifting" on the grounds that "just lift and eat, it's not complicated". As if there's anything within science that contradicts lifting heavy weights and eating food...!
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
"All dichotomies are false dichotomies, including this dichotomy!" - (perpetually overexcited) Hank Green.
ElbowDeepInAGoblin
'We're either fish or not fish.' - Also Hank Green, probably. 'Everything, or nothing, is tuberculosis.' - John Green, perhaps. 'Turtles all the way down, or hippos all the way up.' - John Green, ostensibly
universeHacker
This is true, I am a scientist and a strength athlete, and I used to follow all of the scientific literature and try to adapt my training accordingly, with hardly any benefit. Then I joined a strength training club, and just copied exactly what the guys winning strength competitions were doing without any reasoning or rationale, and I got way stronger quickly, and started winning comps myself. We don't understand biology enough yet for what people are trying to do with "science based workouts."
RufusPimperton
Gymfluencers are grifters in every sense of the word. If you're actively trying to be a body builder, you'll find out more than they're teaching you through the community, and if you just want to be fit/healthy, their snake oil attempts at daily relevancy is less helpful than just working out and keeping with it.
Corrodias
Sir, science is the process of figuring out what works. If you've found what works for you, you've done the science.
awkungen42
Eh, in some cases. This is however not true for most things.
FTUG
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NXk5bHUzZm9lOXppMTlwaWZsdDZqNmJndGszZG5tYTJxN3czcmFoayZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Zy7s96dP38MlQe3OjG/200w.webp
Immawankrealquick
Uuuuh, Snaaap! Tell 'em!
baldbear
You need to write it down. Else it's just fooling around.
valen00
I dunno....did he write it down?
Goldensands
See above
0570
Don't forget to moisturise after the science. And clear your browser history.
Bobinatortron
Still works for this Gif. Zorro did all that science years ago now he's gotta help new Zorro get through it. Master/Apprentice dynamic here.
BeaverOnFire
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MjhqcGx3dmE4cTEyemRsbHB0ZWFid2lyOHdyN2Q3ZzRianlvZDlodCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/rAZEnOu0KHQK4/200w.webp
universeHacker
What we're really talking about here is theory or mechanistic biology understanding based workouts, vs just copying what worked for other people in the past. Both are possible to approach scientifically, by experimenting to see what works for you. What most people find though, is that the theory stuff is just mostly not useful yet, the simple stuff that works best has no clear mechanistic explanation. That will likely change, as we understand the underlying biology better in the future.
porphyre1e00
This guy sciences
ifoundthelight
Math based workouts vs just making the number bigger next week. /S
SoftKleenex
Keep it simple, keep it consistent
desalniettemin
KISS Keep It Simple Stupid
BananaForScaIe
And if you're neither, at least they'll call you handy.
spittleteets
but sometimes not (induce muscle confusion to get over plateaus)...but also yes, consistency is def key.
rcgom
what is this hilarious looking movie?
AdrianDunne
The poke of Zorro
SMarkt
the mask of - holy shit is that catherine zeta jones?
TheGriffin
Yeeeep
SillyZombie
Great movie
Hexrowe
The Mask of Zorro (1998). It's fun.
Radix865
The Mask of Zorro
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120746/
Sticklebrickk
Easily in my top 10. Great action, sword fights, compelling story, DUAL STORY LINES! Great all around flick.
ILikeFood2000
“Pointy end goes in the other guy“ -only thing I remember of the movie
dunkum09
thought that's what it was. used to be one of my sister's favorites, so watched it a fair amount when I was younger
PushPullMagnet
Proper form over numbers of reps, time under tension, variations, calisthenics, stretching, cardio, focus.
RufusPimperton
Honestly, gymfluencers feel like kids who take 13 years of music theory, learned all the names for all the mathematical combinations music has to offer, only to be upstaged by the guy who really likes jamming on guitar every day and is just playing what sounds good.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
What about laying in bed?
nclu
Been putting off my morning stretches today. I'll take this as a signal and go do them now
nclu
Done. And making slow progress towards a handstand
StarmineRendezvous
Yep. You aren't strong when your muscles are huge, but when they are dense, lean and powerful.Even if there is still a layer of flab on top.
Lampmonster
There's a great video floating around about what we think being fit and strong looks like versus what fit and strong actually look like. It shows body builders, who look amazing, but then compares them to the best Iron Man athlete in the world and power lifters and it's a very, very different look. Point being, if you want to work out to look good, great. But if you just want to be fit and strong, it ain't gonna look like that. Also the fit look often involves very intense diet and dehydration.
StarmineRendezvous
You can have a dad bod and still be an absolute freak of nature strong, essentially.
freezingpilot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbi91ixoIu4
Arcanum3000
As I understand it, after a certain point you just can't get stronger without also putting on fat, at least not without resorting to 'roids.