In winter here, I once came up to an intersection, where the people clearing snow from the sidewalk of the intersecting streets had apparently both decided that right at the intersection was a great place to pile up the snow. And as I walked up, there was a guy in an electric wheelchair who was being forced to roll it out into the road to get around the pile. And more recently there are the asshats who leave their electric scooters blocking the street.
UO but the fact that we have incredibly functional wheelchairs that can get just about anywhere in well-populated areas is a gigantic blessing. Sure, more can always be done but we've done a whole lot. For nearly all of human history you would have been SOL. We can't rebuild the entire world to accommodate the relatively tiny number of disabled people. It's impractical and unnecessary.
As someone that just lost a leg in February and has been in a wheelchair since last fall. I cannot tell you how much this shit pisses me off. The world sux and needs to be rebuilt. Businesses do the absolute bare minimum to get by the law. Including doors, ramps nowhere near handicapped parking, and the absolute minimum # of parking spaces needed. It’s pissed me off so much Ive considered running for politics just to try and get something changed.
Weird that something like an a11y app in itself does not have an accessible website, is not supported on newer phones and actually in itself is not accessible.
Reminds me of that magazine of black friendly restaurants along highway roads for people who are traveling. Some things really shouldn't have to exist.
This is one of the reasons I am starting the legal process for assisted euthanasia. 5 years ago I could walk 10,000 steps a day and now I am down to barely being able to walk around my block. I am guessing I can go another 5 years but by then I will be wheel chair bound and without the strength to deal with any of this bullshit. Of course these days with how things are going, 5 years feel like it is a lot further away than ever given we're only at the 2 year mark of this dumpster fire.
the algo on insta often offers videos like this to me. Sometimes when accessible is a whole complicated thing, sometimes where it's a clever solution. There's always several mouthbreathers that'll ask "Why does it need to be so complicated, why don't they use a longer ramp, why don't they go the other way around". Luckily they shut down pretty fast.
The one about pushing the door open gets to me. Fuck places like that, I've seen push/pull doors that take like 70 freaking pounds of force to open up, like what the fuck are the techs setting these doors up thinking levels of resistance to getting the freaking door open. I'm big enough I can just force the thing without issue but watching a smaller woman have to like, body check the damn door to get it open is ridiculous.
Which is exactly why it's impossible to find out if things are handicap accessible. If you put "Sorry, this 150 year old building has the first floor three feet above ground level, three feet from the sidewalk so there's no feasible way to put a ramp on." You'd get publicly eviscerated and probably open yourself up to lawsuits.
And they can't do SOMETHING to address those problems? Come on! I've seen places with elevators built into steps, so that wheelchair users can get in. They can find a way if they'll invest the money to do it. They just don't WANT to, because that cuts into their profits. This doesn't get fixed until they're publicly shamed
Easily, cheaply and up to code? Sometimes! Hey, if you have a big building and manage a wraparound ramp, or a some heavy refurbishing inside, I think that's awesome! Heck, it's probably morally, and even maybe legally required. Should a corner store or basement bar in a historical district not exist because there's no feasible way to make it accessible to everyone without demolishing half the building? I don't think so.
I tried to start this exact same app in 2019. Turns out my learning disability is so bad I can’t be a programmer so that ended that dream. Glad to see someone else beat me to it and probably did a much better job than I ever could have.
I feel so strongly about this, I’d embarrass the establishment by abandoning my wheelchair and just crawling in on the floor and making a big spectacle about it including asking the owner to help me into a chair once I got inside.
Word? Where's the Christmas selfie of you in a wheelchair making a statement? Where's the post where you prove you're more than a limp keyboard warrior?
Worked for a city doing rental inspections. The apartment complex had someone that could barely walk with two cains with arm braces on the third fing floor. He would Crawl up the railing every day for years. I had a very long talk with the manager. They ended up with a ground unit thankfully.
So no more small businesses that just started and rent the place without influence to the accessibility? Just embarrass them? I think there are more sides to that. Because cities evolved and politically accessibility was not their goal, then shame them and demand change! And give the change some time even when it should have been done a 100 years ago. But keep the pressure high all of us, we want everybody in! I liked the awesome LEGO ramps that were donated, keep it up.
Yes. If you can't guarantee accessibility then you aren't ready to have a storefront. Look for a different location, ask the community for help, put pressure on landlords to insure commercial spaces are accessible, put pressure on governments to make it a zoning requirement if it isn't already. Stop passively accepting that it's not your responsibility to serve the public when you want the public's dollars.
Absolutely. They don't own the building, they rent. The business owner themselves shouldn't be embarrassed if they try to accommodate you anyway and then they have ammunition for the landlord.
That's the way don't accept businesses that don't care, but help the businesses that try so they wont stop trying. And help people understand your burdens, because if you have never been in contact with special needs you might just need an insight and not an embarrassment most of the time that only hardens the font instead of making people understand. Some are Dicks but most of them are welcoming to new ideas and help to make it more accessible.
Visited one place where they offered a ramp to get in. You just had to request it... by going in and asking for it. Which means you had to get over the step to get in to ask for the ramp. Which means the person in the chair can't travel to this place independently. Absoloutely boneheadded!
If a fridge busts, does a restaurant just to just serve their customers spoiled food because they don't have 10K for a new fridge? A ramp isn't a luxury; it's a necessity that a business should get the necessary funding for the same way they have to for every other part of their store.
No because serving food is their business and they wouldn't have any food. If disabled people don't go to that restaurant, they'd still be in business. A ramp is a luxury for a restaurant.
Your statement only holds true for a few days, after that the food would spoil and they would not have it anymore and could not operate. But you are otherwise correct - refrigeration is a luxury for a restaurant.
It still is. As a construction worker, let me tell you, building departments and fire marshals are huge on that shit. If they ok that is NOT something ADA compliant, it comes back on them, not the architect, contractor, or workers. We had a building where there was only 32in of clearance from the door to the counter, ADA in Florida requires 33 or more, but we were already squeezing the plans in. They denied it, we we had to pay a whole new architect for all new plans, and set us back 3 months.
No, it still is. I've worked at hotels that were noncomplaint... up until someone complained. Fastest I've EVER seen the owner move to do ANYTHING. A lot of these examples in the video fall on the building owner, not the business leasing the space, and the owners are national corps who would rather pay a fine than invest in the property.
my uncles barely ever left his house for "inaccessibility" - not only wheelchairbound, but he was heavy (around 100kg), things got better since then, but far from enough
For real. Google says the average weight for adult males in the US is currently 199.8 lbs, or 90.6 kg. 100 kg is 220.4 lbs. not some insane 600lbs person going "Why don't they accommodate me?"
thats the point, not an absurd weight, but still he was heavy, lifting a 100kg person + wheelchair cant usually needs 2 people to help across the many obstacles like steps, ramps, stairs etc. and constantly finding "volunteers" can be difficult, especially at night or on weekends.
They don't. You see all the wheelchair ramps and sidewalks with rumple strips, but it's a different story when you actually live it. Sidewalks run to a dead end all the time, forcing us to go out on the busy roads instead. A business we went to had a step to get in the front door, you can't get in/out unless someone else holds the door open. I can't even get past the highschool here, they have sidewalks on both sides but not through the school's lot. Until you're in a chair, you won't notice
POV means from the person's/object's point of view. I am not witnessing a wheelchair user's point of view in this video. The point of view is someone watching a wheelchair user. If they wanted to make a request to empathize with the wheelchair user in the video, there are many many ways to actually do that in the text without incorrectly starting it "POV:".
If you want to change the meaning of "Point of View", then what will you replace it with? If one of the people in the wheelchair had a GoPro on their head, what would that video perspective be called?
So then in 21st century social media, what would you call it when the camera is on the person? Like a GoPro on someone's head filming from their perspective. What would you call that?
queernosaur
I love that
RocketKokket
This is a great idea for an app!
ThrowAwayAcct0000
In Montreal, it would be practically impossible to go into any restaurant.
Skuggen
In winter here, I once came up to an intersection, where the people clearing snow from the sidewalk of the intersecting streets had apparently both decided that right at the intersection was a great place to pile up the snow. And as I walked up, there was a guy in an electric wheelchair who was being forced to roll it out into the road to get around the pile. And more recently there are the asshats who leave their electric scooters blocking the street.
Gunslinger2071
UO but the fact that we have incredibly functional wheelchairs that can get just about anywhere in well-populated areas is a gigantic blessing. Sure, more can always be done but we've done a whole lot. For nearly all of human history you would have been SOL. We can't rebuild the entire world to accommodate the relatively tiny number of disabled people. It's impractical and unnecessary.
Teas
I tried to go download it just now but it said it was made for an earlier version of Android. :'(
Ekaris9
Wait, don't we ALREADY have laws to make businesses be wheelchair accessible? Why would we need an app?
CallMeCourierSix
Because those laws have loopholes. If a building is old, it can get an exception. Or they can claim it's simply too expensive to retrofit.
bdennis3222000
As someone that just lost a leg in February and has been in a wheelchair since last fall. I cannot tell you how much this shit pisses me off. The world sux and needs to be rebuilt. Businesses do the absolute bare minimum to get by the law. Including doors, ramps nowhere near handicapped parking, and the absolute minimum # of parking spaces needed. It’s pissed me off so much Ive considered running for politics just to try and get something changed.
bdennis3222000
Just downloaded the app and promptly added 20-25 reviews of local stores & restaurants. Thank you again for bringing this to my attention.
urusername2
Here's an upvote from an 80 y/o straight grandfather!
LanceSackless
Have they not tried to stop being disabled?
Discgolfing
Weird that something like an a11y app in itself does not have an accessible website, is not supported on newer phones and actually in itself is not accessible.
Feonir44
Wow that seems wheelie frustrating to have to deal with.
theobituator
Where's the sound?
Zetor
Skill issue. But seriously, fix it. https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZXFsMjIxZHBiZWl3cjBwdndtODE2bGR0cWhrMmQxYmt2aXphMW50OSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/HZzQDXhyALciI/200w.webp
HeadJamistan
Sadly, you need microtransactions to unlock bathroom locations......
Fritzy19
Reminds me of that magazine of black friendly restaurants along highway roads for people who are traveling. Some things really shouldn't have to exist.
sentx
This is one of the reasons I am starting the legal process for assisted euthanasia. 5 years ago I could walk 10,000 steps a day and now I am down to barely being able to walk around my block. I am guessing I can go another 5 years but by then I will be wheel chair bound and without the strength to deal with any of this bullshit. Of course these days with how things are going, 5 years feel like it is a lot further away than ever given we're only at the 2 year mark of this dumpster fire.
cosonfused
the algo on insta often offers videos like this to me. Sometimes when accessible is a whole complicated thing, sometimes where it's a clever solution. There's always several mouthbreathers that'll ask "Why does it need to be so complicated, why don't they use a longer ramp, why don't they go the other way around".
Luckily they shut down pretty fast.
Imustntrunaway
The one about pushing the door open gets to me.
Fuck places like that, I've seen push/pull doors that take like 70 freaking pounds of force to open up, like what the fuck are the techs setting these doors up thinking levels of resistance to getting the freaking door open. I'm big enough I can just force the thing without issue but watching a smaller woman have to like, body check the damn door to get it open is ridiculous.
Poppypoppoppop
Alternate solution: actually elect public officials that give a damn about their constituents instead of their "donors"
JarJarDrinks
Access denial places should be identified, published and shamed.
astrangehop
Which is exactly why it's impossible to find out if things are handicap accessible. If you put "Sorry, this 150 year old building has the first floor three feet above ground level, three feet from the sidewalk so there's no feasible way to put a ramp on." You'd get publicly eviscerated and probably open yourself up to lawsuits.
mindstorm8191
And they can't do SOMETHING to address those problems? Come on! I've seen places with elevators built into steps, so that wheelchair users can get in. They can find a way if they'll invest the money to do it. They just don't WANT to, because that cuts into their profits.
This doesn't get fixed until they're publicly shamed
astrangehop
Easily, cheaply and up to code? Sometimes! Hey, if you have a big building and manage a wraparound ramp, or a some heavy refurbishing inside, I think that's awesome! Heck, it's probably morally, and even maybe legally required. Should a corner store or basement bar in a historical district not exist because there's no feasible way to make it accessible to everyone without demolishing half the building? I don't think so.
Rynestrm
I tried to start this exact same app in 2019. Turns out my learning disability is so bad I can’t be a programmer so that ended that dream.
Glad to see someone else beat me to it and probably did a much better job than I ever could have.
Snooj
Every app needs proper feedback. If you wanted to start an app then you must have some firsthand knowledge. Help them.
RocketKokket
Learning to code is quite a daunting challenge. Kudos to you for giving it a shot!!
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
I feel so strongly about this, I’d embarrass the establishment by abandoning my wheelchair and just crawling in on the floor and making a big spectacle about it including asking the owner to help me into a chair once I got inside.
RocketKokket
That’d be pretty hilarious to see in person. I’d clap
Wasnbo
Word? Where's the Christmas selfie of you in a wheelchair making a statement? Where's the post where you prove you're more than a limp keyboard warrior?
LeoGrun19401
Shockingly close to what people in wheelchairs have to do if going somewhere isn't a choice and they're traveling independently.
LazyBuddha
Worked for a city doing rental inspections. The apartment complex had someone that could barely walk with two cains with arm braces on the third fing floor. He would Crawl up the railing every day for years. I had a very long talk with the manager. They ended up with a ground unit thankfully.
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
crawling = dragging
ChiLLeCheeze
After dragging comes lifting. You're a plane!
JackieTreehornProductions
What's my glide coefficient?!?! 1:.001
NeverTrustThisNewInternetThingy
So no more small businesses that just started and rent the place without influence to the accessibility? Just embarrass them? I think there are more sides to that. Because cities evolved and politically accessibility was not their goal, then shame them and demand change! And give the change some time even when it should have been done a 100 years ago. But keep the pressure high all of us, we want everybody in! I liked the awesome LEGO ramps that were donated, keep it up.
threepotatoesinatrenchcoat
If you're in the US, it's illegal (with a few exceptions), so yes, they should be shamed
scrumbles666
Yes. If you can't guarantee accessibility then you aren't ready to have a storefront. Look for a different location, ask the community for help, put pressure on landlords to insure commercial spaces are accessible, put pressure on governments to make it a zoning requirement if it isn't already. Stop passively accepting that it's not your responsibility to serve the public when you want the public's dollars.
Snooj
Absolutely. They don't own the building, they rent. The business owner themselves shouldn't be embarrassed if they try to accommodate you anyway and then they have ammunition for the landlord.
NeverTrustThisNewInternetThingy
That's the way don't accept businesses that don't care, but help the businesses that try so they wont stop trying. And help people understand your burdens, because if you have never been in contact with special needs you might just need an insight and not an embarrassment most of the time that only hardens the font instead of making people understand. Some are Dicks but most of them are welcoming to new ideas and help to make it more accessible.
Snooj
It may surprise you to know you can do this anyway. Just buy a wheelchair. No one is going to ask if you're really disabled.
aslum
Unfortunately in America some still might.
LeoGrun19401
Visited one place where they offered a ramp to get in. You just had to request it... by going in and asking for it. Which means you had to get over the step to get in to ask for the ramp. Which means the person in the chair can't travel to this place independently. Absoloutely boneheadded!
Gunslinger2071
Are you going to loan them the $20k+ to build a ramp?
scrumbles666
If a fridge busts, does a restaurant just to just serve their customers spoiled food because they don't have 10K for a new fridge? A ramp isn't a luxury; it's a necessity that a business should get the necessary funding for the same way they have to for every other part of their store.
Gunslinger2071
No because serving food is their business and they wouldn't have any food. If disabled people don't go to that restaurant, they'd still be in business. A ramp is a luxury for a restaurant.
scrumbles666
Why wouldn't they have any food? The food is still there, it's just not being kept cold. Refrigeration is a luxury for a restaurant.
Gunslinger2071
Your statement only holds true for a few days, after that the food would spoil and they would not have it anymore and could not operate. But you are otherwise correct - refrigeration is a luxury for a restaurant.
Gunslinger2071
Sorry I just gotta ask - did you not realize that refrigeration slows the rate of food spoilage? How old are you?
aerodynamit3
And the US is actually good about accommodations for disabilities relative to Europe, or anywhere else in the world really. The ADA is a big deal here
teapartyyy
What
tinydog
Was, anyway.
Zalm
It still is. As a construction worker, let me tell you, building departments and fire marshals are huge on that shit. If they ok that is NOT something ADA compliant, it comes back on them, not the architect, contractor, or workers. We had a building where there was only 32in of clearance from the door to the counter, ADA in Florida requires 33 or more, but we were already squeezing the plans in. They denied it, we we had to pay a whole new architect for all new plans, and set us back 3 months.
LeoGrun19401
No, it still is. I've worked at hotels that were noncomplaint... up until someone complained. Fastest I've EVER seen the owner move to do ANYTHING. A lot of these examples in the video fall on the building owner, not the business leasing the space, and the owners are national corps who would rather pay a fine than invest in the property.
vanderzee
my uncles barely ever left his house for "inaccessibility" - not only wheelchairbound, but he was heavy (around 100kg), things got better since then, but far from enough
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
100kg is so heavy that places are inaccessible? I'm about 136kg. I'm also 2m tall, though.
ImHereToGetDownvotes
For real. Google says the average weight for adult males in the US is currently 199.8 lbs, or 90.6 kg. 100 kg is 220.4 lbs. not some insane 600lbs person going "Why don't they accommodate me?"
vanderzee
thats the point, not an absurd weight, but still he was heavy, lifting a 100kg person + wheelchair cant usually needs 2 people to help across the many obstacles like steps, ramps, stairs etc. and constantly finding "volunteers" can be difficult, especially at night or on weekends.
Dagordae
Dude's in a wheelchair, I'd hazard a guess that's pretty much the entire sticking point.
UWAGAGABLAGABLAGABA
Then why mention the weight
Dagordae
Maybe he lives in the land of contortionist twig people?
LordHosk
Ramps are just good for everyone.
its so dumb that places don't design with accessibility in mind it just makes life in general easier.
ThatuldoPig
I can see it in warmer spots but in the colder areas ramps get super slick. Stairs do as well, but you're stepping onto a flat surface vs a sloped one
CallMeCourierSix
It's less "they didn't design for it" and more "this building is really old, and they're too god damn cheap and shitty to retrofit it."
LordHosk
I can assure you, the Denver suburbs aren't "really old" the vast majority of the buildings there are less than 50 years old.
CallMeCourierSix
The ADA was passed in 1990. Yep. 36 years ago. That's it. That's how shitty the USA is. It took 214 years to get accessibility on the books as a law.
Any building built before 1990 likely can get an exception and be grandfathered in.
LordHosk
Unless it is remodeled or renovated.
psstuphere
I think disabled people should have the same rights as others
Gunslinger2071
They do: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights. Being able to access every corner of the planet is not a "right."
Gunslinger2071
They do.
psstuphere
You want disabled to have the same rights as others?
Gunslinger2071
They do.
mindstorm8191
They don't.
You see all the wheelchair ramps and sidewalks with rumple strips, but it's a different story when you actually live it. Sidewalks run to a dead end all the time, forcing us to go out on the busy roads instead. A business we went to had a step to get in the front door, you can't get in/out unless someone else holds the door open. I can't even get past the highschool here, they have sidewalks on both sides but not through the school's lot.
Until you're in a chair, you won't notice
Gunslinger2071
I own a nursing home and take folks in wheelchairs all over the place. There are some places we can't go. So we don't go there.
Having unlimited access to every corner of the planet is not a right.
https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
Leaps
This is great but it is not POV.
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Leaps
POV means from the person's/object's point of view. I am not witnessing a wheelchair user's point of view in this video. The point of view is someone watching a wheelchair user. If they wanted to make a request to empathize with the wheelchair user in the video, there are many many ways to actually do that in the text without incorrectly starting it "POV:".
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Leaps
Yes, and I can think the people that use it that way are stupid and wrong. Just like the people that use literally to mean figuratively.
Leaps
If the camera person is a wheelchair user they must have a very tall and unusual wheel chair.
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bottledham
If you want to change the meaning of "Point of View", then what will you replace it with? If one of the people in the wheelchair had a GoPro on their head, what would that video perspective be called?
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bottledham
So then in 21st century social media, what would you call it when the camera is on the person? Like a GoPro on someone's head filming from their perspective. What would you call that?
LostChats
It’s a cinematic technical term that is not open for debate or reinterpretation just because Tik Tok said it’s okay.