He might disagree with your politics, but McCain would still respect you both as a fellow human being and as a person with ideas and opinions. He'd listen.
Trump? Trump does none of these things. Wait, that's wrong - he disagrees with your politics. Because your politics probably don't begin and end with making him a king.
As a Marine vet, I am offended by anyone in power who ho has no honor. I still believe that our society is intended for the benefit of people to live their best lives. Everyone deserves respect, healthcare, opportunity etc. Those who exploit others need to be stopped by a government that cares for individuals.
Yeah, the GOP has been awful for my entire life, and I'm middle aged now. That said, post 2016 it's *somehow* managed to get significantly worse, and more blatant about it. Trump has been the culmination of it all, while also massively amplifying the worst things about the American right. He's a symptom and a catalyst.
Mccain WASN'T a hero. He did the bare minimum of being decent in public. You don't deserve a goddamn medal for that. That's just "not being a total shitstain."
He also voted for garbage Republican policies pretty much all the time. When he voted to "save" the Affordable Care Act it wasn't because he actually wanted to save it, he just didn't like that the Republicans were skirting the rules to get rid of it. Yeah, I'd take him over King Poopypants but that's a bar so low you need a shovel.
I mean, McCain was his own piece of shit too. The party just got so much worse since his time. But let's not pretend this isn't what conservatives have always been.
Remember the Swiftboating of John Kerry? That's when I personally figured out that the right's use of patriotism and military heroes was just a cynical ploy. If they ever did, they do not now care about people's service. It's just a pose to facilitate power.
Dude literally danced on stage while singing Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran. What makes him a hero exactly? He flew planes badly, got tortured, then came back to the US to advocate for killing as many foreigners as possible while defending american torture practices. Shitting on him is one of the very, very few things Trump's ever been right about.
He told that one person Obama wasn't a muslim! (he did say Obama supported terrorism though) He voted against gutting the ACA! (he did vote to kill the funding of the ACA though)
I would pay John McCain the respect he deserves, for serving, for risking his life for his country and the people within, for his loss of liberty he suffered in the performance of his sworn duty and for being respectful and open to bipartisan solutions to problems in your country. He was and will always be a hero.
Let's never forget that John McCain was also a piece of shit. Nowhere near at the same level as Donald Trump, but jesus christ was a bad person. Anti-gay (voted for DOMA), anti-woman (voted repeatedly to defund Planned Parenthood), anti-labor, anti-poor, anti-peace, anti-environment ("drill, baby, drill"). Just a real cunt of a human being who would have made the world a much better place if he had just died in a vietcong jail rather than survive it.
what soul? what fucking soul? corrupt usa and americans only soul is "money money money" and rest of is "hate hate hate". usa is build on killing native americans and they did genocide to get rid of them. after that, its nothing but greed and suffering. usa men are killers, plain and simple with no empathy.
McCain wasn't a hero. He was an incompetent pilot, crashed multiple planes. The reason he wasn't kicked out of the program was that his father and grandfather were high up in the military. He crashed more planes, got captured, and immediately gave up secrets. Also, he was a racist, bigot, and a warmonger. Cheated on his wife with cancer. Just a scumbag through and through.
No, they did from 1854 until the 1960s. Although the change was probably in the mail starting in the 50s, what with Brown vs Board of Education and the like.
Shame, because the GOP had been the party of Abraham Lincoln, anti-slavery, etc. Now they're racist greedy fucks and nothing more.
Well, to be accurate, McCain was a total shit of a human being. He did serve honorably in the military however and was 100 times the human being that trump is, which isn't saying very much at all, but still.
I've got immense respect for how McCain conducted himself as a POW. But he'd already crashed a jet and wouldn't have even still been flying if his dad hadn't been an admiral. I also disagree with most of his politics. But I do love seeing how butthurt Trump is about him.
Not exactly true. #1 He crashed one jet during advanced flight training in Corpus Christi bay because he wasn't paying attention to his altitude. #2 Took out some power lines in Spain dicking around, but no crash. #3 Had an engine failure over Chesapeake Bay and ejected. Not his fault. #4 USS Forrestal disaster, nothing McCain could do about that. #5 Getting shot down over Vietnam. Now, if he wasn't the son of an admiral 1+2 would've ended his fighter pilot career.
I disagreed with his politics but I did respect him as a person. Probably the last round of republicans I didn’t think were batshit crazy. I’m from AZ and would have liked him out of office but I’d never wish a slow painful death on him like I would many of the GOP today and was disgusted by Trump’s disrespect.
Yeah. I didn’t like him as my representative. Weren’t enough of us voting to get him out. I could argue that plenty of Dems got us here too by not doing anything beyond weak little speeches and strongly worded letters. Doing nothing is just as damaging. The younger Dems and the Mamdani’s are giving me some hope we can turn this around. Term limits probably would have helped prevent this. Money out of politics definitely would have.
I think we lost our soul when a bombed Cambodia to the point where the Khmer Rouge took over, slaughtered the population, and the US did nothing about it. Or maybe we had no soul since we began the settler colonialism that pursued a policy of genocide of the native americans, which is now inspiring the actions of Israel.
Carter is the reason I believe that the republicans really don’t care about a candidate’s faith. Jimmy was a legitimate man of faith and they pissed on him. Religion is all just window dressing to lure in the rubes.
Reagan was a shitstain of a human being and a worse president, but Nixon set a ton of bad precedents, and I like to think that if Ford hadn't pardoned him and he was put through the wringer, then future presidents wouldn't have grown so bold.
Reagan & Bush (especially Bush) "inherited" a lot of stray free-agent Nixonites which really helped get the ball rolling on the eradication of affordable higher education, strangling the middle class with the new corporate tax code, or lack thereof, SDS crackdowns etc.
IIRC Gov. Reagan already hated intellectuals since the People's Park / Free Speech events, sending in the National Guard to bust heads in Berkeley, Isla Vista & UCLA & probably others too.
Was more of a symptom than a cause if you ask me. We've been teaching our youth to worship celebrities and media for a century and we got exactly what we deserved for it
It's comforting in a nihilistic way to know that my future was sold out before I even got into kindergarten; I was 3 when Reagan took office, so what the fuck could I do about it?
I'll be 49 right after New Year's and I'm well aware that Social Security will probably be gone long before I hit 65-70; I'll be working two jobs until the day I die or I get murdered by ACAB for not licking boots fast enough because the knees that I ruined in the military weren't 'service related' injuries.
I’m 45. It does help a little to know it’s not something I could have avoided. My natural instinct is to always ask myself where I went wrong. I was raised by conservatives and it’s still in the back of my mind that things going bad like this are my fault somehow because “the system is amazing”. That fucking guilt. I learned a long time ago all of that is bullshit before I was even out of high school, but it still lingers sometimes. Wanting hope that if I just keep trying it will get better.
Yeah. I was there. That shit was dark. Reagan tore the safety net out from under the public and they LOVED him for it because he was "sticking it to those welfare queens".
I mean, let's be honest with ourselves. The entire fucking country loved him. He is the only president besides Washington to get 90% of the electoral vote *twice*. Now I was young at the time (and in a state that skews conservative), but just because we see the results now doesn't mean many thought these would BE the results.
Fascists love hierarchy, so you might think, "well, if you're going to rank people, there's an infinite number of ways to do that." But you also have to remember they're strongly anti-intellectualist, so that really narrows the ways in which you're left to rank people. Simplistic stuff a 5-year-old could understand. "He's rich", "He's brown", "She's a woman", and then they get mad when they can't tell someone's race or gender.
FreeRangeToast
In today’s news; No Fucking Shit! More on this at 11
lonelyrangerofthedreams
GOP never lost its soul.
You can’t lose what you never had.
LeifHietala
He might disagree with your politics, but McCain would still respect you both as a fellow human being and as a person with ideas and opinions. He'd listen.
Trump? Trump does none of these things. Wait, that's wrong - he disagrees with your politics. Because your politics probably don't begin and end with making him a king.
Skevoid
https://youtu.be/JIjenjANqAk I didn't agree with McCain on much, but he was a different breed from the MAGA Republicans.
Garwoodxx
As a Marine vet, I am offended by anyone in power who ho has no honor. I still believe that our society is intended for the benefit of people to live their best lives. Everyone deserves respect, healthcare, opportunity etc. Those who exploit others need to be stopped by a government that cares for individuals.
Vebrandsson
The soul of the GOP was lost long before that, that was just one of the more glaring symptoms.
00110001001110010011100000110100
They lost their soul a lot earlier but then too.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
Yeah, the GOP has been awful for my entire life, and I'm middle aged now. That said, post 2016 it's *somehow* managed to get significantly worse, and more blatant about it. Trump has been the culmination of it all, while also massively amplifying the worst things about the American right. He's a symptom and a catalyst.
ThailandExpress
InfocalypseRising
Mccain WASN'T a hero. He did the bare minimum of being decent in public. You don't deserve a goddamn medal for that. That's just "not being a total shitstain."
He also voted for garbage Republican policies pretty much all the time. When he voted to "save" the Affordable Care Act it wasn't because he actually wanted to save it, he just didn't like that the Republicans were skirting the rules to get rid of it. Yeah, I'd take him over King Poopypants but that's a bar so low you need a shovel.
EverNotRelevant
I mean, McCain was his own piece of shit too. The party just got so much worse since his time. But let's not pretend this isn't what conservatives have always been.
torokunai
McCain-Feingold was an attempt at goodness
SixSixxtySix
The party of Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Shrub has been nothing more than a criminal enterprise for some time now.
TheLastSpaceman
Oh honey, GOP lost their minds looooooong before that. You were just cool with that...
iDrawStuff
Oh, honey. The GOP lost its soul a long time before that. Trump just took the mask off.
ImJustHereAtThisPoint
I blame Ollie North and Reagan. But really we all know it was Jackson
natabus
Remember the Swiftboating of John Kerry? That's when I personally figured out that the right's use of patriotism and military heroes was just a cynical ploy. If they ever did, they do not now care about people's service. It's just a pose to facilitate power.
chinesemario
They lost it when Regan gutted income tax to the wealthy and they didn't kill him with hammers
dleeb
I'd argue they never actually had one. The mask just came off around that time.
ricbri695
I thought that was shoresy in the pic at first…
DarthWaiterSE
Give yer balls a tug.
Kalli
Dude literally danced on stage while singing Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran. What makes him a hero exactly? He flew planes badly, got tortured, then came back to the US to advocate for killing as many foreigners as possible while defending american torture practices. Shitting on him is one of the very, very few things Trump's ever been right about.
torokunai
He said that mockingly I believe
Animorphs
He was in the military so he’s automatically a hero!!!
Kalli
He told that one person Obama wasn't a muslim! (he did say Obama supported terrorism though) He voted against gutting the ACA! (he did vote to kill the funding of the ACA though)
Animorphs
Yeah I don’t know why people feel obligated to idolize him.
SubsyServy
I would pay John McCain the respect he deserves, for serving, for risking his life for his country and the people within, for his loss of liberty he suffered in the performance of his sworn duty and for being respectful and open to bipartisan solutions to problems in your country. He was and will always be a hero.
urusername2
Very true!
Jonson71
Let's never forget that John McCain was also a piece of shit. Nowhere near at the same level as Donald Trump, but jesus christ was a bad person. Anti-gay (voted for DOMA), anti-woman (voted repeatedly to defund Planned Parenthood), anti-labor, anti-poor, anti-peace, anti-environment ("drill, baby, drill"). Just a real cunt of a human being who would have made the world a much better place if he had just died in a vietcong jail rather than survive it.
morninggloryshade777
AMEN.
chata954
Babe it never had a soul . You mean veil of moral content.
GigantamaxHonker
what soul? what fucking soul? corrupt usa and americans only soul is "money money money" and rest of is "hate hate hate". usa is build on killing native americans and they did genocide to get rid of them. after that, its nothing but greed and suffering. usa men are killers, plain and simple with no empathy.
allergictocantaloupe
McCain wasn't a hero. He was an incompetent pilot, crashed multiple planes. The reason he wasn't kicked out of the program was that his father and grandfather were high up in the military. He crashed more planes, got captured, and immediately gave up secrets. Also, he was a racist, bigot, and a warmonger. Cheated on his wife with cancer. Just a scumbag through and through.
Hexidimentional
the republican party never had a soul
Jonson71
Ah, a student of history. Who never made it past 3rd Grade.
IWantedOneOfThoseLongUsernamesTooSoIGotOne
No, they did from 1854 until the 1960s. Although the change was probably in the mail starting in the 50s, what with Brown vs Board of Education and the like.
Shame, because the GOP had been the party of Abraham Lincoln, anti-slavery, etc. Now they're racist greedy fucks and nothing more.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
^ This
mikeatike
Better look back further, to Regan and Nixon.
Kablooeeey
Well, to be accurate, McCain was a total shit of a human being. He did serve honorably in the military however and was 100 times the human being that trump is, which isn't saying very much at all, but still.
RainierCamino
I've got immense respect for how McCain conducted himself as a POW. But he'd already crashed a jet and wouldn't have even still been flying if his dad hadn't been an admiral. I also disagree with most of his politics. But I do love seeing how butthurt Trump is about him.
IWantedOneOfThoseLongUsernamesTooSoIGotOne
He actually crashed *several* planes (though I'm not sure if all of them were jets).
Bureaucromancer
There was only really ONE that was a career ending fuckup for anyone else so much as being an aviator in wartime just being dangerous
RainierCamino
Not exactly true. #1 He crashed one jet during advanced flight training in Corpus Christi bay because he wasn't paying attention to his altitude. #2 Took out some power lines in Spain dicking around, but no crash. #3 Had an engine failure over Chesapeake Bay and ejected. Not his fault. #4 USS Forrestal disaster, nothing McCain could do about that. #5 Getting shot down over Vietnam. Now, if he wasn't the son of an admiral 1+2 would've ended his fighter pilot career.
MenloPart
Crazy. Thanks! :)
RainierCamino
No problem. However I feel about the guy, he did have a wild ass career in the Navy.
Terran81
I disagreed with his politics but I did respect him as a person. Probably the last round of republicans I didn’t think were batshit crazy. I’m from AZ and would have liked him out of office but I’d never wish a slow painful death on him like I would many of the GOP today and was disgusted by Trump’s disrespect.
mohammadbinsalmon
he wasnt crazy because he was stupid. people like him are why donald trump has power. hes a fucking scumbag, through and through
AnonOmis1000
I mean he did pick Palin as his running mate, so that was kinda stupid
Terran81
Yeah. I didn’t like him as my representative. Weren’t enough of us voting to get him out. I could argue that plenty of Dems got us here too by not doing anything beyond weak little speeches and strongly worded letters. Doing nothing is just as damaging. The younger Dems and the Mamdani’s are giving me some hope we can turn this around. Term limits probably would have helped prevent this. Money out of politics definitely would have.
freshthrowaway1138
I think we lost our soul when a bombed Cambodia to the point where the Khmer Rouge took over, slaughtered the population, and the US did nothing about it. Or maybe we had no soul since we began the settler colonialism that pursued a policy of genocide of the native americans, which is now inspiring the actions of Israel.
Maybe we've always been the devil?
gnomedeplume
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spontaneous9
The USA lost it soul when they picked washed-up Hollywood elitist Reagan over decorated veteran & humanitarian Carter.
That's also when wages stopped rising with productivity. Now look at us. I mean, just LOOK.
esparadrapo
If you ignore foreign policy...
bourbonandbaddecisions
Carter is the reason I believe that the republicans really don’t care about a candidate’s faith. Jimmy was a legitimate man of faith and they pissed on him. Religion is all just window dressing to lure in the rubes.
TheVillageGrouch9000
I voted for Cater in 1980 - my first time voting.
spontaneous9
I was pretty goddamn pissed off when Carter conceded the election, stepping down before my vote was even counted (Pacific time zone).
I mean, I know it was a lost cause but still. That stung. And stunk. Still does.
mjrosenb
Reagan was a shitstain of a human being and a worse president, but Nixon set a ton of bad precedents, and I like to think that if Ford hadn't pardoned him and he was put through the wringer, then future presidents wouldn't have grown so bold.
spontaneous9
Reagan & Bush (especially Bush) "inherited" a lot of stray free-agent Nixonites which really helped get the ball rolling on the eradication of affordable higher education, strangling the middle class with the new corporate tax code, or lack thereof, SDS crackdowns etc.
IIRC Gov. Reagan already hated intellectuals since the People's Park / Free Speech events, sending in the National Guard to bust heads in Berkeley, Isla Vista & UCLA & probably others too.
ToSisPoS
I’m pretty sure the military industrial complex absolutely sabotaged his efforts against Iran just so they could get Rocket Ronnie in.
spontaneous9
Bush was his running mate. A former CIA director, complete with a closetfull of secret operatives willing to do his bidding with nary a nod or a wink.
hockey4mal8
That was... um, very well put.
csullivan
Almost every problem this country faces can be traced to Ronald Reagan and his fucking policies.
Stefnos87
the conservativ party has always been one of horrible cruelty
Erumun
can't afford to look sorry.
BrdCdn
Neither could the Germans in the 30s I guess. Enjoy your fascism.
StumpyToe
Wow. What a perfect summary. Bravo.
Noitisnot
This is the truth of our country right now.
ministryofpeace
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bloodtaker3
*can't afford to pay attention
KAPTKipper
The Heritage Foundation was the man behind the curtain
erinaceus
fuck yes.
Isorikk
Was more of a symptom than a cause if you ask me. We've been teaching our youth to worship celebrities and media for a century and we got exactly what we deserved for it
Gelaticat
Looking costs extra.
DarthWaiterSE
It's comforting in a nihilistic way to know that my future was sold out before I even got into kindergarten; I was 3 when Reagan took office, so what the fuck could I do about it?
I'll be 49 right after New Year's and I'm well aware that Social Security will probably be gone long before I hit 65-70; I'll be working two jobs until the day I die or I get murdered by ACAB for not licking boots fast enough because the knees that I ruined in the military weren't 'service related' injuries.
dealinwifscum
If our money goes away so will millions of republican terrorists
Terran81
I’m 45. It does help a little to know it’s not something I could have avoided. My natural instinct is to always ask myself where I went wrong. I was raised by conservatives and it’s still in the back of my mind that things going bad like this are my fault somehow because “the system is amazing”. That fucking guilt. I learned a long time ago all of that is bullshit before I was even out of high school, but it still lingers sometimes. Wanting hope that if I just keep trying it will get better.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
Yeah. I was there. That shit was dark. Reagan tore the safety net out from under the public and they LOVED him for it because he was "sticking it to those welfare queens".
UprootedGrunt
I mean, let's be honest with ourselves. The entire fucking country loved him. He is the only president besides Washington to get 90% of the electoral vote *twice*. Now I was young at the time (and in a state that skews conservative), but just because we see the results now doesn't mean many thought these would BE the results.
RadicalRecluse
so patriotic OMG
ToSisPoS
Thatcher and Mulroney as well. Blame the poor, reward the rich, bomb the brown.
DorkJedi
its always racism, at the core, that motivates conservatives.
PastureofMuppets
Greed and Power. Racism is just a tool or a method.
sfrinlan
Fascists love hierarchy, so you might think, "well, if you're going to rank people, there's an infinite number of ways to do that." But you also have to remember they're strongly anti-intellectualist, so that really narrows the ways in which you're left to rank people. Simplistic stuff a 5-year-old could understand. "He's rich", "He's brown", "She's a woman", and then they get mad when they can't tell someone's race or gender.