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MektaSatakOz
Bloody hell...John Brown had the right idea on how to deal with monsters like this...
sendmeyourpitbulls
Male slaves may have been castrated as a heinous punishment for something (real or perceived), but as stated in the beginning of this same post, slave owners wanted everyone having as many kids as possible to increase the work force, so castration was not the norm in the US for slaves. It would’ve been counterproductive. However, African males that ended up in some Middle East regions, were castrated to “prevent being a danger” to the women there.
OperatorWay
xo66nt
Yeah ok I think slavery was horrible enough without the sensationalist and poorly supported wording.
Niagaran
In *most* US states (Red AND Blue), child marriage is still legal.
Pedophilia has always been systemic in the USA
giraffpappa
You have never really left the 19th century, have you? And now you are going backwards...
Niagaran
Your loving defense of pedophilia is noted
MedicSolidarity
Serena Williams had to fight to get imaging she needed for a literal pulmonary embolism because her Dr believed that black women couldn't feel pain. That shit is STILL REPEATED.
TsubakiTragic
Sounds like not much has changed in the US of A,
IStoleALoafOfBread
People still say women (black even more so than white) have higher pain tolerance than men. Which ignores that women feel just as much pain...they're just forced to bare more of it
purr
upvoted because we shouldn't hide the fact people were (and in many cases still are) monsters.
KingdomsCrown
The upvote-downvote system is why I like imgur, and upvote doesnt always equate to a "like" like on other platforms
cytherians
Their descendants have a high probably of being Republicans.
PolitiCat
*RapepubliKKKans please. Don't misname them.
TheDildoOfConsequences
Almost every human is a potential monster. There are exceptions, but they're so rare that they practically count as anomalies and it's a reasonable certainty that you, dear reader, are not one of them.
PauliePlaysPoorly
In Australia, scientific consensus was that white sperm was stronger than that of Aborigines, so white men would rape as many black women as possible, to stop them falling pregnant to their black husbands. No, no idea why.
mostinspired
Didn't king and queens refuse to meet their children until they where ~12 or 13, so they would not become attached incase their child died, child death was that common among even well to do families. China currently puts inferior races (non-Han-Chinese [Zhuang, Uyghur, and Tibetan and religious people}) into "reeducation camps" and designates them by blood types for selective organ harvesting. The topic of this post is terrible, but the ideas still lives on today in cultures.
00LimaRomeo
I have been looking for a credible source for this information. By chance would you care to post it here? No worries if not.
ChelVanin
There were also queens who were so attached to their babies that they refused to let anyone else feed or take care of them. There may of have been some kings and queens like you describe, but I don’t think that was ever the norm.
mostinspired
Fair enough, the entire internet and all of human history, makes sense to find a not "Nuh-uh" moments. Appreciate your keeping it casual.
Volirus
Also, there's been more than 3000 years of kings and queens (from the pharaohs to our modern aristocracy) all over the whole world. Their behavior would differ from age to age, from culture to culture, from country to country. It would impossible to put all kings and queen under one label. There is too much different between them.
I have heard of cultures not naming children under the age of 1 or 2, because many of them died early. 12 seems awfully late in age though, but under 5, sure.
ZOMGNO
Under 5 in certain Native American cultures according to some sources I read a looooong time ago that said that babies didn't get all of their soul until a few years old. And i've heard of Native American cultures who gave kids baby names and then when they became of age... they were given Adult names. And it changed them and then they would live. But again, i can't cite sources it was long ago and so take it with a grain of salt.
thebigbaka
Wow don't sugarcoat it
januarylover
Every person who celebrates the Confederate flag is celebrating the people who did this shit.
Cearnaigh
What do you think they mean when they want the good old times back?
ElbowDeepInAHeadlessHorseman
Don't worry. Republicans will stop this from happening by making it illegal to teach that it happened.
yeahhedugit
And today's Republicans would be fine with that.
martineb72
The problem is, if you have a child at 13, then you are more likely to have complications. That will make it impossible to have more children. So this is more being cruel for cruelty sake, then a economic reason.
RocknRootRanchcuzallwegotisrocksandrootsandafewtrees
That surgery stat is real. And a lot of the women had rips between their vaginas and their rectum due to having babies when they were too young. He sewed those up but of course without anesthesia.
dootdootiamgroot
Absolutely disgusting way to treat people and children! 13 is a child! Im sick to my stomach and heartbroken for the pain and cruelty of slavery. Wish we would have had a million john browns but instead we are a money worshipping country of cowards and still are.
DigitalDragon75
The American South, specifically those Plantation owners, but others as well (guests), was never sufficiently shown the wrongness of that which they inflicted upon others. And it still shows in that MAGAt mindset today.
soreneverhart
"Hard Read" is an understatement. I almost felt physically ill while reading it. However, every time I find something that makes me this uncomfortable, I still feel obligated to read it. It would feel like a disservice to humanity to not acknowledge it.
notreallyaclevername
I would recommend, although it is an incredibly hard read, Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl by Harriet Jacobs.
It's her autobiography and it tells of her life growing up as a slave. It's crazy, too, because you realize that she was actually incredibly privileged for a slave, so her absolutely harrowing experience was better on many ways than most other slaves
Daliena06
“It is the writer's duty to tell the terrible truth, and it is a reader's civic duty to learn this truth. To turn away, to close one's eyes and walk past is to insult the memory of those who have perished.”
― Vasily Grossman, Soviet war correspondent, among the first to report on Nazi death camps after the discovery of Treblinka.
Cornflakes91
what confuses me the most is that they sent *their own children* into slavery. extramartial and born to a black woman but still.
like.
what the fuck
lickahippy4fun
Girls. They were little girls. Fucking hell.
tidepool
They also would just take the babies away and disappear them and leave the mothers devastated. Also, they still do barbaric things at the gynecologist office to women like taking biopsies which is cutting away at the cervix without numbing or pain care at all. That shit fucking hurts and I won’t let them do it to me ever again without numbing. I’d rather die of cancer.
Clockworkdancerobot
And another really sad fact, the last Chattel slave was freed... in 1945.
Someshithead241
As in someone was working as a slave until that point or as in they had a ceremonial freeing? If the first, who and what work?
Clockworkdancerobot
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beeville_couple_arraigned_on_charge_of_holding_Negro_in_slavery_on_farm_(1942)_The_Brownsville_Herald.jpg
Heavenissize17socks
Nope. Slavery is still allowed in the US prison system.
Efreeti
True, but that's not chattel slavery (where the human is deemed "property")
RyvaTheRenamon
Lol
Clockworkdancerobot
Yeah, there is a really good documentary by PBS, "Slavery by another name" which details the ways southern states got around the ban of slavery for a time in such horrible ways.
ImLurkingOnImgur
Isn't it though?
LoudBirb
No, it's not. Words mean things:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chattel
And while indentured servitude is alive and well thanks to the prison carveout within the 13th amendment, prisoners are not legally considered property and still have some rights.
Clockworkdancerobot
I agree it isn't, but the problem is that our current prison system is one where we moved away from slavery of the past to one people can convince the public isn't slavery but does a lot of the same things.
I recommend a PBS documentary "Slavery by another name", where they talk about the southern states post-slavery attempts to keep it going. https://youtu.be/UcCxsLDma2o
arumunus
You know how we were all taught about plantations like the worst of the worse was cotton plantations where you picked cotten on an empty stomach till your fingers bled, and there were beatings and the occasional rape?
Those weren't even the worst plantations America had. When the Atlantic slave trade ended, and shortly thereafter the cotton gin started becoming mainstream in the deep south, the mid south with their tobacco and other plantations saw an opportunity in slave trading for profit->
arumunus
Breeding plantations. That was the most profitable, and imo, the worst American plantations. They bred folks like livestock, and would sell them off to the cotton plantations where the processing efficacy of the gin meant a rise in demand for slaves.
It wasn't just white men raping slave women. They were forcing women to be raped by whoever they desired. Even sons to mothers. They'd obscure the man's sight so he couldn't see who it was.
The white men raping slaves was a main cause for the->
arumunus
"One drop rule" in that even one drop of black blood meant you were black. Mulattos had a significantly harder time, iirc, because they were the living embodiment of sin from a white man who's supposed to be Christianly and head of his household, while also, if light enough, being considered "fancy," a term used for prostituting folks out. Particularly little girls and young women, to men who'd pay the slave owner for the sex.
arumunus
They'd market them as such. "Fancy girls." There's at least one historical record of a plantation owner who also sold the services of "fancy boys". He was considered to be absolutely debauched, and yet letters and such had all these upstanding Christian men heading to his place at night, with payment.
So yeah. It was a lot worse then what this picture implies, what we were taught, and probably worse than we'll ever truly know.
emu314159127001
How stupid do you have to be to think pain is something that would only show up after other things that never would've developed without the ability to avoid things that hurt?
calenti
Because everyone around you says those creatures may look human but are not quite human, and the baby jesus book talks about slaves, so it's OK for you to do whatever to them, and you don't question it because no one else seems to. Then it's "your way of life" and when someone calls bullshit you put on a uniform and get a rifle and go shoot at them in a field until they kill you, and then your descendants wrap themselves in your symbols.
ThotCriminal666
The USA will never outlive or repay the shame and moral/economic debt we incurred from slavery... Ever.
calenti
That is true - just pointing out that's what documented above is what was done by British and French invaders of Africa before the USA even arrived on the world stage. And if this seems bad don't search for what the Dutch did, or the Germans. And there were no recriminations or cost for them either. One of the reasons people need the idea of God, to reassure themselves there will be some kind of justice administered to those who will not see it in this life.
ThotCriminal666
Damn, okay, in my previous comment, replace "USA" with "white people."
scrumbles666
Sims didn't buy slaves to experiment on; he conducted research on treatment for vaginal fistulas, and contracted to treat several enslaved women as a test group. Anesthesia barely existed at the time period, Mothers of Gynecology is a stature acknowledging Anarcha and two others, and buck-breaking is a historically dubious practice at best. Maybe part of why this was such a hard read is because it's more interested in freaking the audience out than conveying actual history.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Sims is an interesting case. He absolutely did operate on women who had no real choice about it, and did so without even bothering to try anaesthesia, although it's very true that it was risky and not terribly effective at the time.
He was also the first person to establish a hospital for treating women--against a lot of opposition--and was later forced out because he insisted on treating uterine cancer patients instead of basically throwing them on the street to die.
https://w.wiki/3qCN
Zelor42
J. Marion Sims did buy slaves to experiment on them. Everyone can read up on that.
This is just one source: https://allthatsinteresting.com/j-marion-sims ,,As other owners called on Sims to treat their enslaved women, the surgeon developed a new system: He purchased these patients for the purpose of surgical experimentation. Sims explained that, “The owners agree[d] to let me keep them (at my own expense).”
Zelor42
And while ether anaesthesia just started to be used he did not use them on the enslaved women specifically because he did not believe that black people feel pain like white people do.
scrumbles666
Sorry for the spamming, but on the subject of whether Sims bought slaves, I've found articles that broadly claim he did, and then I've found ones that actually name the women involved. A colleague did identify one woman, Delia, as a servant owned by Sims so I think he did buy her. I do not think he bought women to experiment on like an antibellum Dr. Moreau. There's no evidence of it, and he wouldn't have had to.
scrumbles666
Ok, independent of our dispute over Sims, I need you to understand that this is a terrible source. It's cut the end off that quote in order mislead you about it's meaning. The full clause is- "the owners agreeing to let me keep them (at my own expense) till I was thoroughly convinced whether the affection could be cured or not." The owners let Sims keep the women at his home clinic, they didn't transfer ownership to him. 1/2
scrumbles666
Secondly that quote comes from an article written by Sims himself, but the article you posted isn't citing that. It's instead citing another article that uses that quote, which also happens to be the most generous possible look at Sims without tipping over into full slavery apologetics. This is peak lazy journalism. It's not hard to find good articles critical of Sim, or Sim's own writings. They just couldn't be bothered to. 2/2
ChelVanin
You’d have to be a liar and psychopath to say they didn’t feel pain during surgery without anesthesia.
nation543
What he said means that he legit believed that they were lesser, as if saying that deer don't feel pain. Thinking of them as lesser than animals, almost on the level of insects, or something. It's almost unbelievable to that type that humans can have various tones of skin and look differently.
HandoB4Javert
noReallyIamPrincessBob
Virtually any animal feels pain. It helps with survival. If an animal did not feel pain when it was injured, it would be much more likely to die from the injury or infection. It’s just survival of the fittest.
xo66nt
He didnt. He bought the slaves in 1845, and ether as anesthesia was introduced in 1846. He also performed gynecological surgery on white women without anesthesia for eg fistula. Ether remained quite dangerous and he argued that the danger outweighed the pain.
He was still a horrible racist pos, but i think this wording is sensationalist to a point of inaccuracy.
Someshithead241
That's the issue with pretty much every post like this. It's always sensationalised and altered history to make the story better and more black and white.
You get it with a lot of black inventor posts too, making the claim they did something first when in actuality they made great improvements to something that already existed.
Because the truth isn't glamorous or easy enough. It's detrimental and ignorant.
HairyChairstepper
This is a very important distinction. It doesn't make any aspects of slavery any better, but it doesn't help to lie about it. The article could have presented that information and still include the line about them not feeling pain.
DutchBoeremeisie
Tangentially related: Till the late 1980s babies were operated on without anaesthesia because the scientific thought was that babies don't feel pain. Having had a baby, I think the people who thought that were liars and psychopaths, too.
olafthrig
One of my kids broke their collarbone at birth and the nurse proudly told us you could tell because squeezing it sounded like rice Krispies, in 2015. She was a nurse in her 20s.
Elonth
As someone who was once a baby. I can attest that they do in fact feel pain.
Grimmrog
or just trump league of idiots with power.
zechor
oh, like circumcisions, where the baby often passes out from the trauma and the doctors then tell the parents that the kid slept through it?
fester9
Not that they didn’t feel pain, but that their brains could not form memories of the trauma from that pain. That thought was also bore out of a sense of extreme caution because being under general anesthesia is not like being unconscious. It’s suspending normal brain function on a tight rope between life and death, and doing that on someone as small as an infant is exponentially more dangerous and difficult than it is for an adult human.
KaptainObveeus
Anesthesiologists make almost as much, or sometimes more, than the surgeons.
DutchBoeremeisie
Sorry, that is incorrect. They really did think babies couldn't experience pain as we do, since their nerve fibres are still unmyelinated and it was thought that it wasn't capable of relaying information. There are other reasons, too, relating to the differences in nerve structure and nerve response.
FrancsTireur
Honestly it's hard to pick between the options.
Were they liars, psychopaths or so stupid and bigoted that they truly believed this human with darker skin than them was an animal?.
Its possible that modern evidence lends its weight to option 3. Im a massive football fan, by that i mean proper football not hand egg, but this does actually apply to hand egg too.
Black players are still looked at by coaches today as runners, workers and muscle. Very very rarely do you get a coach who gives 1/
Grimmrog
i guess and horrible mix of stupid and bigoted. when you tell idiots things they may start to believe it.
FrancsTireur
A black player credit for his game intelligence or invention and flair. Take my nations midfield for example, Aurelien Tchouameni - hes a very talented reader of the game, makes tons of vital interceptions and hes tidy with the ball, but if you ask most fans what hes good at? "Hes a physical beast".
Manu Kone - he has an eye for a raking cross field pass as good as any white player ive ever seen, he has magic in his feet when hes given the freedom to play his game, but the same again, most 2/
FrancsTireur
Fans you ask will say hes a physical beast. Edoardo Camavinga - he moved to Real Madrid as one of the most exciting young players in europe, he had invention, he had flair, he had an eye for a pass that was on par with people like Pirlo and Busquets, by all rights this man right now should be competing with Rodri for best midfielder in the world, only hes not, and hes not because Madrid decided his physical qualities would be more useful at fullback.
Honestly if I was an african player id 3/
FrancsTireur
Go play for my ancestral homeland instead of my birth or adopted homeland, because you need only look at past Nigeria and Cameroon teams to see how good they can be when they're not pigeonholed as "just physical beasts".
Nigeria would have 100% won the world cup by now if every player eligible for them declared for them. 4
ChelVanin
All it takes is being in the room with them through surgery and you know they’re hurting. Probably hurting so bad they had to be tied down.
TMCybersnark
Or "mimicking it," which is a rationalization I've come across second-hand in older documents.
ChelVanin
Preposterous. If they thought slaves didn’t feel pain, they wouldn’t use whips to inflict it as punishment. Maybe that’s a rationalization used generations later to excuse the history of slavery, but no actual slaver could have thought that way. Pain is the only thing that keeps wild animals in line.
FrancsTireur
You'd be surprised.
As a species we are incredibly adept at lying to ourselves.
Repeat a lie for long enough, especially one covering a horrific truth, and the lie becomes part of societal consciousness and is simply taken as fact.
Its why such things as knowledge of Colombus crimes is confined to those of us with an education, why most people still believe Christmas is when Jesus was born, why the founding fathers are regarded as freedom loving heroes.
And so many more.
nintendolunchbox
The Republican party still uses these goals
digitalaaron
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
This isn't a political division.
JustFeedMePieDammit
Keeping slaves and setting up a society where it's okay and in fact economically unsound not to use them isn't political?!? Oh thank goodness, I was worried it was gonna get political
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
Maybe if I dumb it down to muricanese?
'bOtH sIdEs'.
Now you accuse me of being a Rusbot or continue on your confused rant about murican 'politics'..