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I hate to do it, because I believe in intuitive eating and enjoying your meals, but I’m taking a stand. A few months of hard work seems worth it.
In the last 15 years I’ve tried every diet from 800cal per day to keto, and nothing works. Basically, my body would be great if I was in the 1800s during a famine; one slice of bread and I’d be plump as a Christmas goose all winter. Which would be great!! … if we didn’t live in the society we do.
I’m giving counting calories another go (but 1,200 this time), and I’m lowering my meat/carb intake (lowering, not eliminating).
I’m a short woman, only five foot, and I weigh 70kg. I also have relatively large breasts, so I know they hold some weight too.
So… I don’t have /too/ much to lose, but even 5kg is massive when you’ve got a small frame. However, I also want to gain muscle and fitness so I know I won’t “lose” as much weight as I expect. I’ll still be losing fat!
A perfect world says I should be 55kg… I’m not sure how reasonable that is but my goal is 60kg.
Thanks for listening and for your support. Hopefully something pays off this time.
High quality, multicoloured, fluffy beans tax.
WeaselBandit
Read "The Ultimate Guide To Fasting". Written by a doctor who specializes in liver disease.
apaupertoprince
Look into getting a food scale and measuring food by weight. People overeat because they count items. One chicken breast can be 3oz to 10oz.
azulgojira
Please go get your thyroid checked!!
avickers
Just out of curiosity, do you delete posts that don't make it to the fp? Is this a common practice? You have like 50+ posts at 1000+ pts.
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
I'd look into the work of Alissa Vitti, esp if it turns out to be a PCOS thing. She researched why standard diets/programs never work 1/2
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
For women and it's because the studies never took women's cycles into account. She bases diet/working out on your cycle
ijustwantsnacksandnaps
Lift weights. The extra muscle will help you burn more calories.
jaystevens137
This. This makes a huge difference.
Ripplingtwinkie
+1 for the username
JoleneJoleneJoleneJoleeene
browncoatsunite
I would also thrive as a Northern European peasant woman during a famine. We should start a club.
dumbarooooooo
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BijouGreenBirdie
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LtColThorin
If I hear "you hold fat" I'm also thinking they're also saying you're healthy for your body. Otherwise they'd tell you to make changes.
WhyCantIHaveADog
She’s not happy with her current weight. “Holding fat” whatever that means isn’t healthy. Her docs gave up.
LtColThorin
Not everyone is designed to have the same BMI. Continue to work out and eat healthy. Whatever your body looks like is what it's meant to be
LtColThorin
And a healthy body is always attractive.
theokaychick
@op I’m with you. I’ve got the added bonus of having had 2 kids. I’ve done every thing every1 tells you to do. Still 50# to big.
thebigbaka
"Specific protein may cause obesity by interfering with brown fat" https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316904
ShipOfFate
I’m not overweight but I have a hard time losing belly fat. I’ve been doing I-F for 3 months and lost 4% of my body weight. Worth trying.
duhitspollo
I believe 1200 is too low. If you're 5'5 and about 154lb your resting metabolic rate is around 1700. You should start at around 2200. To 1/
duhitspollo
2/ take into account for exercise. Then about every 2 weeks subtract 200 calories.
crnco
There is what as known as a fit fat person. Objectively there is a fat fit person.
RufusPimperton
My I recommend the podcast Maintenance Phase? It won't make you skinny, but a lot of people in your position don't get good health advice.
RufusPimperton
It's two people looking at the data and research behind all the advice/trends that are out there.
DarnThisStuff
You are meant for greater things in life than losing weight. Body types exist. Don't miss out on what makes you happy. Happy is beautiful!
areyouelonmusk
Have you tried just not holding fat?
areyouelonmusk
If you figure it out let me know please, I would like to stop holding my fat too
QuanfaKibitzer
I wish you luck, as I am unqualified to give advice, as I can't lose weight either.
thebigbaka
"Specific protein may cause obesity by interfering with brown fat" https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316904
estenoestaocupado
rihani3
Take a look at your sleeping cycle/habits. Poor sleep can both greatly improve your hunger and reduce calories burned.
estenoestaocupado
xmasbreakandmsphillipsdontgivea
This! Very much this! Thanks for the reminder, I'm going to bed!
InfernalPanther
This and look up Scooby's TDEE calculator if you haven't already determined your TDEE. Also use your calorie counting app religiously and...
InfernalPanther
DO NOT LIE TO YOUR APP ABOUT HOW MANY CALORIES YOU ARE EATING.
NonstopRampage
BijouGreenBirdie
The hardest part.
SerenePrincess013
Would recommend discussing nutrition w/ someone who can read your body & gut biome correctly, to determine what is causing you to "hold fat"
SerenePrincess013
Bc that's not an actual medical or dietary term. It took me completely revamping my diet w/ someone who knew what they were doing, in order>
SerenePrincess013
To see any sort of results. I'm slightly taller, but have been fat my whole life. I finally got tired of it, & am now down 125lbs, &>>
SerenePrincess013
Have hit my first plateau. Just need to reevaluate thing, & maybe add back in hiking, to get past this.
nanabroccolifart
Fasting… I do too and it has helped a lot
ATaxManCometh
It's probably not right for everyone and you should consult w. MD, but Intermittent Fasting has done wonders for me and I've tried
ATaxManCometh
everything else. Weirdly, my GERD also got 100% better. like literally GONE. no more meds or antacids (that cud be specific to me of course)
nanabroccolifart
I feel so much better
AawesomeAardvaark
When you say intermittent fasting do you just mean skipping breakfast or is there more to it than that?
ATaxManCometh
I suppose it is a loosely defined term. For me, I consume all my daily calories roughly between 7pm - 10pm and do not eat the other ~21 hrs.
ATaxManCometh
Tho there are many forms of IF that can involve shorter or longer periodic time frames.
kablija
I eat between 10am and 6pm to help with GI pain and as a side effect I've lost weight without thinking about it.
RatBits
A common intermittent fast involves ONLY eating during a single 6-hour window each day. Example: I consume calories between 11am and 5pm.
RatBits
I've been very pleased with the results. Best part is, I still get to eat my favorite foods. It's more about when you eat, rather than what!
RatBits
(Which isn't to say you should chow down on junk food all the time. )
ryukochan
I’m 5’2”; 56.7kg. I’m on 1,200cal/day, on the If It Fits Your Macros diet, & using MyFitnessPal to track. I started at 73kg; goal is 53kg.>
ryukochan
< I have a bunch of diet restrictions, but if you wanna talk about diets and meal prep, I’m around :)
buddytheelfwhatsyourfavoritecolor
Listen to this lady/dude.
DownvoteDanny
Only you can make you happy. Losing weight won't do it. Your brain has to. I think you sound like the definition of attractive.
butterswive
Dude fuck hormones. I can't lose weight while nursing (it's estrogen related) and I completely get it!!! I've plateaued at 160 (5'1") 1/
butterswive
and nothing works. I run. I eat well. I get 12k steps a day av. No flour. I've lost nothing. I hear you. Maybe see if an OB can check your
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butterswive
Yes- this is baby #4 for me so I know it will come off I just hate this part of it. And covid makes me want to delay weaning
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butterswive
3 was magic for me. My 4th was my hardest baby and she is a high maintenance queen. The universe will guide you lol
butterswive
Levels. Hugs <3
maggooo
You shohld be eatign around 1500 to 1800 snd working out. 1200 is too low and 800 is way too low
kablija
Even as an active teenager I had to go under 1000 to lose weight and I'm not short. some bodies don't want to burn fat.
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kablija
Yeah it wasn't great haha. Small bowl of cereal for breakfast, apple for lunch, plain bagel or hot pocket for dinner.
DetailDevil
If you want to lose fat drastically sure, but you never need to go below 1000kcal to lose fat. It takes more energy to keep you alive.
kablija
Yeah well that's what it took. About a year of it and I slowly dropped weight.
DetailDevil
How much did you weigh and how much did you lose. That sounds so extreme and borderline dangerous.
kablija
I wasnt weighing myself at the time but I recently went thru a similar transition and I am down from 135 to 110. Slender, but not unhealthy.
hannaj0bananaj0
Just throwing it out there, possibly a thyroid issue causing the lack of results? Not routinely tested for, but causes lots of symptoms
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DaveSamsonite
Not even lap band generally would work.
orchidaedra
Husband joined track in his teens but gained a gut despite all that exercise- it was the thyroid- he takes meds now but still has the gut
BlackCats4ever
Get that blood test ASAP. I am slightly under 5’tall and lived most of my life fighting my own body. Diagnosed with hypothyroid in my 40’s.
Khrye
Only about 10lbs of weight gain can be attributed to hypothyroidism though with how cheap a TSH is it's ok to check.
PastureofMuppets
If their current weight is in kg, healthcare cost isnt a factor.
goldplated
On the other side, i have hyperthyroid, lost 8kg in 1month while doing nothing all day. The anxiety is a bitch though.
hannaj0bananaj0
Good luck!
sykotic1189
Beat me to it. Friend of mine couldn't pass his PT test, so the Navy doubled up his PT for 3 months. He failed again, then tested positive
sykotic1189
for hyperthyroidism. Still got booted cause they'd already started the paperwork.
klynda
Probably hypo. Hyper causes weight loss
sykotic1189
I took a shot, it was 50-50
ShamefulGod
I suffer from hypothyroidism and even medicated it’s a bitch to lose weight.
putitinyourmouth
Also, go super low carb. Ketosis can help even the most stubborn of fats to go. Unless you have any underlying issues processing fat.
putitinyourmouth
Just saw your text regarding carbs. No need to eliminate. Keep under 20g per day. You'll lose wait no matter what. Avoid alcohol too.
McFitSteak
Eat healthy 1200kcal and wait 11h between meals. It triggers fat burning. Did in me, I was skinny fat. 17% bodyfat down to 10-12.
Herperchick
This! I have hashimoto's and went misdiagnosed despite a visible nodule (4cm) for years. It did a lot of damage in that time.
HappyPetunia
I've gotten thyroid tests every time I go to a new doctor for depression. I understand the first time, but after that, it's a money grab.
pandro
SAME
dobbykins
I had my thyroid checked several years in a row w/ nothing abnormal on them, and am currently recovering from total thyroid surgery (cancer)
whamwhamwham
For who? Doctors don't get money for lab tests. They /do/ however, mitigate being sued for missing a simple 2nd cause of a condition
HappyPetunia
Someone got the money I paid for redundant tests. I don’t care who, I’m still out the money.
whamwhamwham
Practitioners in America over-order labs and imaging studies for fear of litigation. Its defensive medicine and its bad medicine
whamwhamwham
Patients suffer, practitioners suffer. The only people who win are lawyers and middle men. Parasites. Rant over.
JoleneJoleneJoleneJoleeene
If nothing changes in the next six months, I’ll be asking for blood tests!
borocanuck
Tests before experimentation perhaps? ID the problem first is usually the best process for improving anything.
dougalausmuenchen
Have a listen to this guy: https://youtu.be/GqPGXG5TlZw
ElbowDeepInAMoose
Had the same issue with holding fat. I was put on thyroid meds and started working out again. Finally losing weight. Blood tests. Do it. Lol
LadyNibbles
My body was holding onto excess weight due to a hormone imbalance! It's worth it to visit will and Endo and get your levels checked!
thebadmanpuntedbaxter
Any update by chance?
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
Don't wait. Turns out hypothyroidism runs in my family and I've been having issues losing weight despite being married to a dietitian and
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
A fair amount of heavy labor running my compost production company. I recently had my doctor run a slew of blood tests after pulling my
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
Hair out the last 2 years. Turns out I don't have hypothyroidism yet, but my bilirubin and vitamin d levels are way out of whack. Getting
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
The D is easy (gigity) but now I have to see a gastrointestinologist to figure out what's up with my liver because I'm not a drinker.
DubhIainn
Get them sooner rather than later. I'd say thyroid, then also hormone balance, and vitamin screening. Also Lipase. Wish you good success!
iluvdis
Don't wait. I had the same issue. Thyroids!
cttypo
I’m agreeing with most of reply’s. Just throwing my experience in. At 30 I had complete blood done. Meds and awareness have kept alive.
Crawmak
Isn't thyroid stuff tested for in routine lab testing? You could probably just set an appointment for it now. No reason to wait, IMO
OptimusChristt
I think it's separate from the usual panels for a physical, but its a pretty common test as I understand it
RunawaySpoons
Basic thyroid tests aren't enough to show problems until it's really out of whack.
AerialAceAttack
>six months later<
JoleneJoleneJoleneJoleeene
I’m down 5kg!
AerialAceAttack
Hell yeah!
Pining4TheFjords
Make sure they check for more than just TSH. Sometimes TSH can look normal but other numbers are off.
ArkenX
Piggybacking, but don't wait. Found out after years of struggle I had a pituitary tumor and absolutely cratered levels of T.
NorthmanoftheNorth
Ask for tests now, and in six mo. My SO just got diagnosed and the diagnosis didn't work until multiple tests showed difference in levels.
NorthmanoftheNorth
She eats lean, and not very much. Is always hungry, and working out pretty much only makes her strong.
Larktonguesinadicecup
Have you not before? That should have happened a long time ago. I know multiple people with thyroid issues. It's a whole thing.
theoriginalviv
Get pathology to test both your thyroid function and antibodies. Antibodies play a major role in hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's disease).
conflictmuffins
Heard of MTHFR gene mutation? That's what made my body hold onto weight until I started taking the right form of vitamins I was missing!
BlackAssMamaWhiteAssDaddy
Specifically seek an endocrinologist if possible.
NowhereMan313
A good friend of mine is very large, and also the most active person I know. She just happens to have a genetic condition that gives her 1/2
NowhereMan313
the metabolism of a starving peasant, so your story sounds very familiar.
imbatman58
Pcos or arts effects of medication can do it too
OldMsMetalisnowMrsmetal
Thyroid cancer survivor, thyroid fixed and well, weight just stays. ?
MadameRainbowPants
Yeah @op do the tests now, you said you’ve been trying for a million years already. Also boobs don’t weigh as much as we think. 34GG 7lbs.
wikidleaf
Might check to see if you have PCOS as well
Leejama
Yes. I was just recently made aware of this and up to 10% of women have it?
ThrowingSchadenfreude
This. Make sure you get the insulin CHALLENGE test -- regular fasting glucose/insulin measurements don't show PCOS (insulin resistance)
RunawaySpoons
Would add to all the comments, make sure you get copies of test results to see where they are in range. Results near the border of 'normal'
RunawaySpoons
may not be optimal and can still indicate things aren't functioning well.
MarvinSuggsMuppaphone
A sleep test might also be worthwhile. Sleep apnea can mess with your metabolism.
bro02tc
Have them check for insulin resistance
kalamazandy
All the people saying don’t wait must not be from the US. ? our systems are all broken ?
IveGotRedOnMe
Don't wait. Do it now and make the process that much easier
NicolasKevinMac
Others have already said it, but it's important: I wouldn't wait six months, I would ask for tests now, today. And if your current doc (1/2)
NicolasKevinMac
doesn't take you seriously when you tell your history, find another doc who will. This has been going on for years; why wait? Good luck! 2/2
Crunchymcfatterson
Doctor here, go get checked, do it now, test your thyroid and cholesterol levels and a1c at a minimum.
ILoveSpicyPeople
I’m concerned that you haven’t asked sooner. You should do it immediately. You need to be your own medical advocate.
HotFruitcake
No no no ask now my thyroid was out of wack and it makes a hell of a difference
sockmachine122
Consider not waiting. Hypothyroidism can raise cholesterol levels and put you at higher risk of having a heart attack. :-(
RealFuckinNeeto
Yeah cause keto doesnt just not work, it literally makes your body burn its own fat when started right.
CaNoodleStar
From what I hear, Keto only starts to work after so many weeks of following the guidelines properly. It's should really work.
HeySalad
All of this @OP metabolic and endocrine issues should be ruled out.
thesauceisboss
OptimusChristt
Puberty is also when thyroid issues often show up. Definitely worth at least asking the doc to test for it.
OhIfIMust
This, @OP: DO NOT assume that your medical providers have given extensive thought to your situation and have ruled out all possibilities.
needmorecuteanimals
I was going to say why wait because the post is in metric so it can't cost that much, but your reason is much better.
TheUglyGuy
Calories in < calories burned. Any health care person telling you that you "hold fat" is a quack. It usually takes a lifestyle change.
DisenfranchisedSovietBear
"Have you tried not being poor [fat]". Not so cut and dry, bub.
LittleDende
You don't think a doctor would know?
thebigbaka
"Specific protein may cause obesity by interfering with brown fat" https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/316904
IconicM
That would be a much better article if it told us how to avoid that protein...
dingakaa
Yeah this is very, very wrong.
dedmeam
Calories absorbed < calories burned
IconicM
Also buy low, sell high! No reason for you not to be rich, right? Or is overly simplistic advice actually useless for real world complexity?
HadToRegisterForThis
Go calculate the basal metabolic rate of a 70 kg person. Or you can become a breatharian if you believe in magical thinking.
IconicM
The real magical thinking is believing you're providing new or useful information. You think the multiple nutritionists didn't calculate her
IconicM
BMR and design a diet with lower calories? You think she was just eating too many calories when she did an 800 calorie/day diet and didn't
IconicM
lose weight? See, your BS advice doesn't account for shit like that, because it ignores things like how your body will cannibalize muscle
Kerpeles
It is not that simple if you have ever studied human biology
Kerpeles
It is not. Not all the energy is used in human digestion.
wailbait
It is absolutely that simple. The human body follows the laws of thermodynamics like everything else. It is not easy though.
JoleneJoleneJoleneJoleeene
I understand and I agree! But when I follow that rule, I still plateau. Hence why I’ve tried so many different things.
DetailDevil
Do you count EVERYTHING that goes into your mouth. Its hard to believe that 1300 kcal diet dosent work, if you actually are eating 1300kcal.
BlairT1
Have you tried lifting weights? It can set your metabolism on fire, as unlike cardio, it keeps burning cals all the time, just sitting there
GoDownOnHer
While I agree with the ugly guy, your mind has to be in the right spot too. I was always underweight. Get your head right first, then body
AnnieBahde
Could you have PCOS?
idklolwut12
that’s the one! I couldn’t recall the name but yeah get checked for pcos!!
Stiggygur
It's physically impossible to not lose weight if your calorie intake is lower than what your body consumes.
greatgooglymooglytheoneandonly
I have loved losing 100lb with Corinne Crabtree podcast. Super southern gal who cusses a lot, bit I've had a lot of lightbulb moments.
Anonymous0199846
If most ppl absorb 1/3rd of calories eaten, and you absorb 2/3rds, they will make you feel awful about over eating.
LightStriker
You ether have "cheat days" or you don't burn as much as you think. You can't "create energy" out of no where. Law of conservation.
HamboneHFY
IANAD but the other half is body composition. More % muscle = higher metabolism = more calories burned. Suggest you look into weightlifting.
ohsoserial
Calories in calories out is a drastic oversimplification of a very complex and highly variable biological process. Get your blood tests.
stupidshrimpy
The “calories in, calories out” method is incredibly unspecified. It’s not just calories but finding what nutrients biochemically agree
stupidshrimpy
with your system and “click” with what you have going on. Honestly, if you’ve truly tried everything and gotten no results, it may be time
stupidshrimpy
for radical acceptance. Also, definitely get tested for Thyroid issues and other hormonal imbalances as well. Good luck, friend.
fishdontfly
Same. I have a body type that's prone to easy weight gain but also have above average muscle mass without any exercise or weightlifting.
fishdontfly
I've looked overweight my whole life. Been with a PT for a year incl weight lifting. Less body fat now but still look overweight.
aethryll
Everybody plateaus as they lose weight because your body uses less energy as you lose weight and because your body adjusts to daily intake
aethryll
I forget what their called, but I've heard ppl setting different calorie targets daily to average 1200 per day for the week. I haven't tried
aethryll
It myself as I hit my target weight just standard counting, but I've heard it helps with the plateauing
aethryll
Its called calorie cycling, here's an example article from quick search https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/calorie-cycling-101
VInTheSkyWithElephants
This is exactly how I got past my plateaus in my weight loss journey. I was nervous to “up” my intake, but worked like a charm
icantspellsrry
When you plateau, I'd actually gain weight by lifting. Sounds counterintuitive but when you have muscle mass you'll burn more /
icantspellsrry
/ you'll burn more calories at rest. I'd stay away from doing a lot of cardio because it's a short term solution. Unless you can keep it up.
LggiLovesNewWaveAndIndieRockPop
Your body cant break conservation of mass. Ingest less than what you use. And dont fixate on the number but on how you look and feel. G luck
dougbea
Diets done work and mess up your metabolism causing the plateau. Use myfitness pal. Eat healthy and exercise. Plan a lifestyle change and1/2
dougbea
2/lose it slowly-don't make big calorie cut. It will stay off. Fitness pal will make you aware of how (un)healthy you are actually eatting.
CaptBreast
Think about your water intake. When you start to feel hungry, think when the last time you have 500ml of water was. If it was more than (1)
aethryll
This is good advice, but I would try to be more proactive with the water. Personally, I found drinking water held off getting hungry, but >
aethryll
> once I was already hungry it wasn't helpful. Drink water regularly through the day, use reminders if you need. Health benefits are huge
CaptBreast
2 hours ago, you're probably starring to feel dehydrated, rather than hungry. Try adding more water to your diet. 3litres a day helped my(2)
CaptBreast
Friend break her plateau. Drink more water than you think you need. It may seem like a lot, & you may pee a lot, but it really helps a lot.
CaptBreast
Next time you feel hungry outside of regular meal time, drink 1 or 2 glasses of water & wait 20mins. Then see if you are still hungry.
buddytheelfwhatsyourfavoritecolor
Are you counting your macros? For our size (same boat as you) 1200 calories is too low. 1350-1500 to lose weight. Try iifym.com to set 1/2
buddytheelfwhatsyourfavoritecolor
Your macros goals and then MyFitnessPal to track them. It’s the only way to lose weight and not set your body into slow metabolism. You 2/3
buddytheelfwhatsyourfavoritecolor
Need calories. Calories are your friends. You just need slightly less than what you burn. 800-1200 is wayyyyy to low. 1400-1500 seems right
number1keeper
Not trying to be rude, but unless you are breaking several of the laws of thermodynamics, you're eating more than you use. It's that simple
Anonymous0199846
True, but: this implies 100 calories is 100 calories no matter who eats it, and different people metabolize differently.
Anonymous0199846
Check out weight loss surgery patients. They often physically cannot consume more than about 1k a day but will still be overweight after
DetailDevil
Not true, they will eat small amounts of sweets during the day that kills the weight loss. And they can easily surpass 1k kcal btw.
Anonymous0199846
Years, because they actually absorb nearly all 1k calories.
TheUglyGuy
Well... no. You may burn less than someone else, but that doesn't change the out > in equation.
Anonymous0199846
I never disputed the out>in. I just pointed out the misleading assumption buried in it.