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Edit: Oh boy, you folks sure know how to take a world history joke way too seriously don't you? Thanks to everyone who laughed and had fun, and didn't take this as a political statement. This is a meme, not a standpoint on religion, politics, or anything else you might think it is. It's a meme. A joke.
DefinetlyNotARussianSpy
PeopleDust
ZaWithDude
I love how upset everyone is for this!
SilentScreamsX
I'm not saying religion is responsible for all the badness in the world. But the world would certainly be better off without it.
SithShodan
"They will know of our peaceful ways! BY FORCE!"
Rama098
I understood that reference.gif
Hoptimonium
I laughed and upvoted, but nearly all jokes are based on a partial truth and make powerful statements.
MyNameIsJeffGoldblum
Ozarck
Hey1 We're just three fun-loving, adventurous types who like to meddle in troubles bigger than ourselves. Ten points to Yahwehndor!
d3jake
tommymessala
TheSaltyShako
BrianTheNomad
Eindride
BrianTheNomad
Glorious
Znayx
Most people: "B-but here are several examples where this doesn't..." Grow up. It's a funny meme and has fairly high historical validity.
petekron
LeftRightThere
TheBloodyLady
This accurately describes half the comments section, thank you darling
PocketVist
Probably because everyone has the mentality "im right, you're wrong" and some damage people take this to the extreme
truebluebuckaroo
Oh, that’s the joke, nobody would have figured it out if you hadn’t said it.
ironhair
When you can laugh on jokes about other religions, but you can't stand a joke about your own religion, time to check what hypocrisy means..
miados
"Why should I listen to you? you will either agree with me or say something stupid."
battlepants
barnwolf
I think it's a survival trait. If I didn't view the people across the ridge as barbarians, who would I conquer so I'd have land for my kids?
barnwolf
Actually I would have left those barbarians alone, except they disguised themselves as my neighbor and then stole my chicken.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
Or maybe some causes like ending slavery or ideologies that put people in death camps like communism and fascism are worth fighting.
Lambdafish1
What does that have to do with religion? I really want those things as an athiest
LoquaciousDude
Did he say it wasn't? Also, not that I disagree with you, but morals are subjective too.
Gasquatch
Get your fucking logic outta here
MonsieurLeMoustache
no you
Ladydeth68
https://imgur.com/WO5NUBV
Gasquatch
Lol so logical
AnonymousBach
No, it is you who are wrong!
thesauceisboss
MrSmilingDeath
No, it's the children who are wrong!
Lucasdagon
This is obviously an attack on religion and not at all a joke, how dare you! It's not like those religions fight and cause trouble!
CommonCommenter
Sarcasm?
Lucasdagon
Sarcasm.
copingcabana
https://www.theonion.com/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-1819566178
Moizsh10
Fredacar
'Honestly, I've been asking myself the same question for years now'
mericAs
mynameisbarryallenandiamthefastestmanalive
taki707
if i could remove on thing from our world, it would be religion.
Deadpoolio7
Can’t we all just get along and accept the Norse Gods as the one true Gods.
Moizsh10
steam1218
I don't wanna have to spear myself to a tree if i want better SAT scores.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Hang yourself* (Don't actually hang yourself, please).
myr14d
The religion or creed doesn't really matter. All of it just boils down to 'us' vs 'them'.
neil137
There is the slavery, subjugation of women and killing those that leave the religion. You know which one and only one that does all of that.
myr14d
Enh, it's more the people using the religion as an excuse/rationalization than the other way around. People have used all 3 to do so.
PhunPhact
Yep. Tribalism. Humans are pack animals and mostly followers. Very easy to control and manipulate. See: The Miligram Experiment
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Of course it matters. What's easier to use to convince people to slaughter someone? "I don't like them." or "Omnipotent entity said so."
nutsacrilegious
Hitler was none of those.
TheBloodyLady
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
History exists before Hitler and the 1900's, darling.
LowFucntioningSociopath
He was a vegetarian... Same difference.
BeeCups
Hitler was a Christian.
Othernate
Catholic, wasn't he? The catholic church was super down with the Nazis...
thattheologyguy
No, He claimed to be a Christian in public life, but he hated Christianity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
thattheologyguy
He used to promote a twisted form of Christianity in order to secure his own ends, however.
LeCalabrone
Came here to say this. I would imagine most people who commit or are implicit in acts of genocide use religion as a basis to garner support1
LeCalabrone
Without actually engaging in private belief. Or their fanatics who do. Either way, people suffer immeasurably so who gives a fuck if they 2
BeeCups
He publicly claimed to be Christian and his followers even wore belt buckles saying God with us. At the very least a Christian themed party
BeeCups
And it seems in private he was proud of his belief. One can be part of a group and still criticise them.
JohnyRoBanned
So what god were they referring to with "Gott mit uns"?
thattheologyguy
Look at the Wikipedia article. He used a twisted form of Christianity as a tool, all the while stamping out Christian influence.
thattheologyguy
See the following: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
BeeCups
He didn't though. Just because something was good didnt make it Christian. And vice versa. He tried to make things like HIS interpretation
DonaldTrump
Mostly Harry though.
maxgriffithyeoman8731415
Why is Jesus always so angry with me
RayMC
Username checks out
Castironpeppers
No really it is, it really is
IZ42
What about imperialist christians intentionally splitting ethnic groups apart and placing them with long-standing rivals in order to
IZ42
Encourage instability and in-fighting, resulting in an anti-western society with extremist leaders pushed to the front that destroy any
IZ42
Progress their ancestors made in order to solidify their rule and rewrite history?
kr662
TerriMessy
I was like "haha yeah typical Harry" then realised you meant Islam.
TGWeaver
Religion is not inherently evil, but many evil people have proved very, very good at using religion as a tool to wield hateful power.
ButtblasterMcAssmaster
Eh, depends on the religion. Jainism might not be inherently evil but the abrahamic religions certainly are.
Digsby
It's inherent purpose is control of other people through lies and threats. How on earth do you think that isn't evil?
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
Religion is a human invention. It's not evil, but boy is it a great excuse for destruction and death.
JerHitchens
Counterexamples: most religions contain some very evil ideas. Stoning for apostasy, sex out of wedlock, eternal pain for homosexuality.
brycewLord
That’s what the Bible said people would do
zykelator
then again, if you spend any time learning what some of the religions teach, you see they are inherently evil.
TGWeaver
I'm not religious, but (while they are intermixed with stonings and godly fury,) all three of these religions are built on the golden rule.
zykelator
You mean "love everyone, unless if the cunt is not part of our religion, or is different in any way or form?"
theresgarlicinthatnebula
What does that even mean?
zykelator
Crack open a bible and read it. Its full of stupid shit.
gigsra
Treat others the way you want to be treated, be humble, be wise with money, you reap what you sow..regardless of the literal legitimacy 1/?
gigsra
of the Bible’s events, you’d be ignorant to say it’s all shit. There’s some valuable life lessons in there and even though all the 2/?
theresgarlicinthatnebula
I'm in seminary, I've read it. Still not sure to what you're referring to.
zykelator
Are you nitpicking only the good stuff in bible, ignoring everything bad?
yatvz
It's not inherant in the religions. It's the extremists and the evil in general. There are good and bad of each
ArchWizardofCanada
That's like saying people that follow cults are evil. If you are convinced dying a martyr is a good thing to do, you do it.
yatvz
"good" is in the eye of the beholder.
helpidontknowmyname
It's mostly tribalism, maybe? And the major religions inculcate their followers with a feeling of "We are the VALID tribe."
TonyStarch
That's why organized religion isn't a good thing.
helpidontknowmyname
It can create group probs but it helps some members of society cope. We need to make humans acknowledge WE are responsible for our own shit.
helpidontknowmyname
Then humans would stop waiting for God to sort it all out, including punishing/rewarding people after death. Let's do it ourselves now!
yatvz
Exactly
mrfriedfood
"The problem isn’t fundamentalism. The problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam."
Moizsh10
What are the fundamentals of Islam? (Legitimately asking)
HermeneuticalQuandary
1-To bear witness that there is one god and Muhammad is his prophet, 5 daily prayers, paying alms to the needy, fasting during ramadan, and
HermeneuticalQuandary
6-fundamentals don't you think?
Moizsh10
I'm a bit confused on why you think they're scary.
HermeneuticalQuandary
4- belief in the prophets (Muhammad, Jesus, Abraham, the whole Lot - yes that was a joke), and the last is belief in God' predestination-
HermeneuticalQuandary
5-that specifically means that while you have free will, since god is omnipotent, the outcomes of your decisions are foreknown. Pretty scary
HermeneuticalQuandary
3-not often focused on when taught in religion courses. They are: Belief in God, belief in Angels, belief in Holy Books (Quran > OT and NT),
HermeneuticalQuandary
2-if possible, making the pilgrimage to Mecca. Those are the foundations of Islam at least. There's also the "6 articles of faith" which are
Tunisia
Religion encourages you to disable critical thought and compassion for people outside of your belief group, though.
Rama098
As much as this is a joke post. All 3 of these religions teachings promote charity and good work to all people regardless. People just suck.
yatvz
Yeah there's good and bad on each side
Rama098
Why would you get downvoted for that?
yatvz
Idk tbh
Moizsh10
What? No! Let me cherry pick my facts to support my own confirmation bias!
Tunisia
Claiming that religions are about charity and good work to all is also a massive cherry-pick.
Moizsh10
Not all religions, but the three in the meme do all call for charity and volunteer work.
yatvz
This guy gets it
BaBaDuuk
forget about Hindu/sikh extremists butchering people in modern day india or myanmar buddhists burning children?Spreading ignorance helps no1
wasserhund
Don’t forget that atheists killed over 100 million people in Germany, Russia, and China in the 1930s to 1960s. People just suck.
Str8Grizleh
If you think commies murdered over 100 million people because they were athiest, I have news for you..
BaBaDuuk
Nooo no1 wants to hear ur logic and facts. We r a race of scapegoats n easy answers. If we have to think at all its unacceptable. A la trump
zykelator
implying atheism was the catalyst to killing people...
wasserhund
One could say the same thing for any belief system
zykelator
Since when atheism became belief system?
wasserhund
They belief in nothing, which is a belief system.
apolloin
Jesus. Nazi's literally had "Gott Mit Uns" on their belt buckles, but people be calling them atheists.
CliffWestern
Germany wasn't athiest, neither was china. Russia specifically had no state religion but most of the people still were. The reason people 1
CliffWestern
Can point to a religion and point to deaths is because its an instituition that openly advocates and funds violence. There is no athiest 2
CliffWestern
Church or instituition. Nobody says athiest can't commit violence, they are just pointing out the problem of an organization that pits 3
CliffWestern
People against eachother.
HorseMcFucker
Wait when did we do that? China, Germany and Russia were all Christian, right?
wasserhund
Read a history book. The 1900s were a very interesting time.
HorseMcFucker
I graduated with a B in History and I've literally never heard of this. Can you provide a source for those 100 million?
zykelator
he is probably refering to dictators and communism getting people killed, but being too stupid to realise its not thanks to atheism.
RayMC
China, all Christian? There's not way you're not being sarcastic. It usually helps to put a /s
HorseMcFucker
Ah sorry, China was the one with 73% being registered as 'Folk religion' with 15,87% as Buddhism.
enigmasck
Hitler used Christianity in his government. He professed to be a Christian along with his many generals and SS. Orthodox Christianity was
wasserhund
Where was it that the NT agreed with any of the Nazis agenda?
enigmasck
majority religion in Russia.
1Plebian
Lip service, not any kind of legitimate representation
yaymuffins0
Except when it was the Facisists, or the Communists, or the Chinese empire, or Mongols, or the Macedonians, or the Assyrians or the...
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
You do know the Assyrians were pretty much a pseudo-theocratic monarchy? Ashur presided over and actively justified their conquests.
astinus
Doesn't invalidate the meme
CaldariBob
Mongorians!!!!!!
Arsikere
facism and communism are followed with the fervency of a religion
IAmBiGiveMeAMedal
Wow, it's almost like this was a meme or something.
TheBloodyLady
Paradigmthefallen
I'd say this isn't a matter of Stone missing the joke, so much as actually using it as a jumping off point for discussion. *shrug*
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Rexli78
Only a fool discounts the past simply because he did not live in it.
Sw1ftTurtle
If you are younger than thirty and think you have lived through a somehow significant period of history then yes.
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Sw1ftTurtle
There were somethings more than thirty years ago that were religious based. Not the majority.
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brockfrigginsamson
Waco TX...
zeusdefier
Fascists and communists were kind of a big deal.
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Rexli78
Yes the were and are still in our time line. Unless China stopped being Communist and Neo-Nazis all ceased to exist. You are the reason
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Rexli78
we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. People like you disregard the past treating it like it as irrelevant. And thus you
NotWelcomehere
Really? North Korea is super muslim I guess?
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NotWelcomehere
Oh I'm sorry, are the magnates in South America profiting off of the suffering of others also super Muslim?
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NotWelcomehere
Or how about the coal companies are they Christian organizations? Or maybe the Khmer Rouge? They MUST be super abrahamic in nature right????
zeusdefier
Remember when Pol Pot recited Deuteronomy while executing POW's?
MyVerySmarterUserName
What are these “Facisists” you are talking about ?
HermeneuticalQuandary
Easy sitters
fhatpotatou
World/global history is a lot to handle, eh?
MrDaMann
Canadian, Eh?
fhatpotatou
Actually I'm from Michigan
SnookerSylph
I could barely digest "history of the world I guess" and that was written for idiots like me
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AgeCo
Well if were talking about world history they played a pretty major role in the 20th century, even disregarding death tolls
Sw1ftTurtle
Created a near perfect utopia for all but 300 million of their citizens. Unless the survivors wanted more food, then that was a problem.
HGuderianyan
When Mao took over China he made the total WW2 death toll look tame.
Locolarue
Google "holodomor", "gulag", "khmer rouge" and "cultural revolution"
magichal
This needs more upvotes.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Oh my sweet summer child
helpidontknowmyname
Tribalism can be secular, religious, or some combo.
AaronGodgers
Nationalism is responsible for a lot more deaths in modern times that anything else.
benayises
Depends on your definitions, does that include communism and it's expansion to include more into the "Nation", ie the USSR/China?
LoquaciousDude
There are also a lot more people to kill today than there have ever been, plus wars are bigger, it doesn't come down to a few fights
AaronGodgers
There may be a lot more people to kill today than in the 1910’s, 1920’s and 1940’s but many more died during those years due to nationalism
LoquaciousDude
Further back dude :-)
Euronyme
Well, none of those used religion as a casus belli afaik.
DaringSteel
The Nazis and Imperial China both used religion as explicit justification. The USSR was a bit more complex. Don't know about the rest.
ClaudeWicked
Y'know, holy wars become an inferior casus belli when you have imperialism.
Euronyme
Europa universalis reference?
ClaudeWicked
Yeeup.
RadlanJay
What? Both religions did. Both jews and muslims founded their's in blood. And christians have crusades.
enigmasck
Nazi (fascist) Germany was a majority Christian nation. Communist Russia was a majority orthodox Christian nation. Those are systems of
colioDiver
Couldn’t be farther from the truth, but who needs facts.
AmArschdieRaeuber
Communists are very anti religion and always were.
aBastardNoLonger
Except that the Christian Leaders in Germany totally renounced the Nazis and even actively plotted against them
PostmortalCoprophagia
Educate yourself you idiot -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims#Other_religious_persecution
Dangermouse5
Communism and fascism were installed in majority Christian nations to actually remove Christianity...and all religion. State control.
Dangermouse5
The Roman's tried to control christianity as well. And the more they tried, the more it grew. So they merged with it, Constantine...
Dangermouse5
...converted to christianity and viola...Roman Catholicism was born.
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
Do you hate religion so much you'll spread lies and misinformation?
enigmasck
government, but religion play still play a role, especially in Nazi Germany.
XjsnnucornotXjsnnuc
Nope
Themdeil
Well that's pretty well argumented, pal
banthis
if you want to tie a religion to the Nazis they got most of their shit from Nordic Pagan religions. Hitler gave lip service to 1/2
banthis
Christianity to try and appease Germanic Christians, but he never incorporated any Christian values into his regime. 2/2
ThatDiceGuy
The USSR didn't want religion
banthis
They wanted Atheism, which was their unofficial state religion. It led to some pretty fucked up shit being done to try and convert people
enigmasck
Only for a brief period of time. Once Christianity sided with them. That was all cool.
UsernameMustBeFourCharactersOrLonger
Later however, they brought the Russian Orthodox Church back to help boost morale of the country
enigmasck
Yes, this. They only dabbled in atheism for a short bit. Once the church came around everything was cool.
FriedSand
Fascist and Communist regimes are not kind to religion. For them nothing - no authority - can be above the govt. Religion gets in the way.
JohnyRoBanned
Hmmm, what does this imperative of authority, combined with, near as makes no difference, omnipotence and omniscience remind me of?
FriedSand
I think you are helping my point? Religion and fascist/communist regimes both claim to be the ultimate authority and thus are in conflict.
JohnyRoBanned
That's my point, they occupy the same space in essentially the same way, the only "conflict" is nomenclature.
crusader1089
At the same time it would be overly reductionist to ignore the role of German Christianity in anti-semitism. Then again, 140 character limit
Dangermouse5
Crazy how a guy like Hitler can fool a majority Christian nation into thinking he's doing Gods work. Must have controlled the school books.
Dangermouse5
With the help of Theodor Herzl, the father of Israel...who actually created the dialectic of anti semitism. His diary...you should read it.
FriedSand
Point well taken. I guess I was just challenging the premise that the regimes themselves are Christian
kuba913
Hen again a lot of polish catholics were killed off too, many priests ended up in concentration camps.
Ryanator50
yeah, those first three were actually Atheist groups, weren't they?
HereticsAllOfYou
Fascists were secular, not necessarily atheist. Chinese Empore was Confucianist/Legalist.
Elroydb
China and Russia officially so. They persecuted all religions specifically because 1) they had no practical purpose and 2) source of
Elroydb
influence and defiance that was extremely difficult to control. The first large scale gulag was a seized monastery
smaug777000
Not always
lDanielHolm
One of them were.
JohnyRoBanned
IDK about the Chinese, but fascists are Catholics and Communists are a religion with an omnipotent, omniscient albeit earthly deity.
zeusdefier
Which fascists are Catholic? Spain was, but Mussolini wasn an atheist and Hitler wanted to eliminate Christianity post-war. 1/2
zeusdefier
Also, Soviet personality cult =/= Religion.
JohnyRoBanned
In what way?
JohnyRoBanned
All of them. Spain, Italy, Germany... The Germans wore "Gott mit uns", to which god do you think they were referring to?
zeusdefier
Nazism specifically wanted to get rid of Christianity, whether the majority liked it or not. Mussolini was an actual atheist.
Frugtkagen
That's the traditional motto of the German Army. That had nothing to do with Nazism, it had everything to do with history and tradition.
HaniiPuppy
Fascists were a blend of Christian, atheist, new-age, and cult. Communists were officially atheist, but many held onto their local ...
HaniiPuppy
... religions, even where paradoxically that local religion became oppressed. The Chinese empire was Taoist, Buddhist, Confucianist, ...
HaniiPuppy
... and a plethora of other religion. Keeping in mind that China isn't simply a nation-state with a mostly homogenous population.
bab73
Even if thise groups were having a religion, that doesn't change that their wars weren't religion wars
AmArschdieRaeuber
The nazis tried to use the church for their propaganda, but their god was Hitler.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Hitler was Catholic
zeusdefier
Atheistic neo-pagan, most likely. See "The Myth of the Twentieth Century".
HereticsAllOfYou
He was raised Catholic, but he professed his own neo-pagan progressivist beliefs while he lead Nazi Germany.
Komradekrampus
You could write an entire book about Hitlers religious beliefs. Its very complicated but he was irreligious but combined with strange ideas.
EagleFace5
Communists sure, but not much fascists and imperial China
JohnyRoBanned
Nah, all that makes communism different from a classical religion is that their deity is earthly.
NotWelcomehere
Ugh...where as us capitalists are just thrilled to worship inanimate objects. /s it's not black and white numb-nuts.
JohnyRoBanned
Yeah, that's what I said - it's silly to conclude that the rejection clergy's authority equates to atheism.
VileSlay
Imperial China was religious, but the Cultural Revolution of Communist China was atheistic and sought to purge "The Old Ways."
LightningFIshLivesInTheDeep
Atheists, but not irreligious. They worshiped Mao as if he's a living god. It's a personality cult gone terribly wrong. Just like NK today.
Ryanator50
well didn't Hitler want people to put the government above their religion, and eventually phase it out entirely?
Cyzyk
1/2 Hitler also started his own religion. One of his biggest political opponents was the Catholic Workers' Party, so he was careful early...
Cyzyk
2/2 to avoid antagonizing the religious in Germany as he did not want to appear godless or communist.
Nuttsy
Hitler just wanted whatever would get him off the most at the given moment.
GSCultist
Hitler wanted to return to Neopaganism some what, but it's also important to remember that eastern orthodoxy effectively placed state 1/2
Ryanator50
ahh okay. my history teacher never mentioned the neopaganism. I really hate seeing similarities between myself and Hitler.
GSCultist
Over church with king outranking patriarch/pope in terms of religious authority.
Alistairetheblu
Fumbleskunk
I figured that almost every conflict started because some people had some things, and other people wanted those things. But I could be wrong
Alistairetheblu
Well, when Neil Degrasse Tyson says you're right, you're probably right!
benayises
A much more elegant way to put it that gets to a better point:
I HIGHLY reccomend "On War" by Clausewitz
ReiiamaKotsu
I mean, I'd say it's pretty interesting to note that war occurs as a result. When's the last time you tried to kill someone you argued with?
banthis
I've never had enough money to do so, let alone had enough money to make a bunch of poor people die fighting to emphasize my point
Barkinsons
Armed conflict is just the last step of escalation, we usually find a solution before that
GrabEmByTheEmbassy
Do you mean non-family?
SerArthurDayne151
I mean..... We've all considered it when talking to a flat earther or anti vaxer.....
APinkDragon
Oh just this morni- I mean, never.
Alistairetheblu
On a national scale? Pretty often, historically. On a personal scale? Burning people for witchcraft is a more recent thing than most wars.
ReiiamaKotsu
Yes, but we can at least agree that it seems trivial or contrived, right? Maybe even psychopathic?
Alistairetheblu
Welcome to monarchy.
Wgasa
Only true if because of over 5000 years of violent history. The last witch burning was in 1878. Since then more people have died 1/2
Wgasa
Due to violent conflict than all the 4800+ years before that...
Alistairetheblu
Yup. We can probably also assume that the other 195k years humans were around but weren't into recording history were a bit violent too.
matthiasfactor
brush over the 100+ million ppl slain by secular communism in the last century. That’s more than all religious conflicts combined in history
zula9SuperSmasher
Got em
ciipres
Phew. Somebody else did it, too. We are off the hook.
lDanielHolm
That includes famines, mate.
AaronGodgers
What is that a more humane way to kill people so it doesn’t count, mate?
lDanielHolm
Counting famine deaths as victims of secular communism is disingenuous, is what I'm saying.
AaronGodgers
No communist rulers ever used famine as a weapon or simply let people starve to hide the problems of communism?
lDanielHolm
If by "communist rulers", you mean fascist dictators.
TheBloodyLady
Elroydb
Don't forget that secular communism specifically persecuted all religions. They were seen as parasites, only consuming and not producing and
Elroydb
a difficult to control source of defiance
imgurisgo
You mean like many on Imgur?
Elroydb
HEYOOO
helpidontknowmyname
Tribalism can be secular or religious. Look at the Them v. Us mentality of new Nazis. They are anti-semitic, anti-brown people, etc.
esbear
The Taiping rebelion (religious) may have caused that many deaths alone. Compared to total world population older conflict are even worse.
mclaughsalotlan0
To call the communist government deployed by the Chinese and Russians secular shows a massive disregard for what the word secular means...
matthiasfactor
Secular = denoting beliefs or activities that have no religious or spiritual basis. And yes, the soviets actively stamped out religion
leodavinci1
It was socialism, not communism, that did the stamping. They removed God from the equation of societal control by dictation and obedience. 1
leodavinci1
Replaced deity worship with state worship. They simply replaced one opiate of the masses with another. 2
mclaughsalotlan0
And actively replaced it with worship of the state and leader. Show me the secular manifesto which has that in it's tenets.
AFuckinNerd
"Fuck humans" -Humans
Sweiner
Stalin was a fascist. The USSR abandoned actual leftist and communist theory almost immediately in favor of fascism and totalitarianism.
yak3ftw
I suppose Stalin was in a way a fascist, he did kill way more communists than any fascist could ever hope too.
Sweiner
He killed a LOT of innocent civilians because they went against his policies. The soviet economy was organized around state capitalism
Sweiner
State capitalism = / = communism or collectivism
Sweiner
State driven and state organized economic activity =/= communism or collectivism
Sweiner
Also important to point out that capitalism creates false scarcity to raise housing and food prices. Directly causing hunger & homelessness
Sweiner
Capitalism is not AT ALL a be all end all.
ItsTheJAM
Really? Because I think the Thirty Years War and the Muslim Conquest of India alone get pretty close to that number
freigeisthumanist
Religious people keep bringing up false numbers. Religions kill. They invade, kill, promote slavery— all in the name of their chosen god.
Voidkom
Thirty years war is nowhere near that amount. Muslim conquest of india lasted several centuries.
ItsTheJAM
Moot points. They said communism has caused more in the last century than all previous religious conflicts. That's one hundred percent false
ashgrave
Shhh your ruining neck bard's point
missacherus
*you're
upupandawaybitches
It's okay, he's eating potato chips at the moment.
vwyx
A Bard with no CHA. Truly a cursed build.
level100gastly
Do you need a neck DM?
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Nah, more of a neck romancer.
ashgrave
I need a Autocorrect DM, lol
TheDivineUsersub
You're comparing the last century to the preceding eras as if they are equivalent. Do you think the religious genocides of the past would -
TheDivineUsersub
- have had the same kill count if they had possessed the modern weaponry and population centers of the communist slaughters?
matthiasfactor
It doesn’t take tech to kill people by creating a state sponsored famine.
ashgrave
Stalin didn't kill the majority his own people with modern weaponry, he did it with food, or lack thereof.
TheDivineUsersub
And how do you define the means by which he denied them that food? What would he have used to stop the people had they rebelled? -
TheDivineUsersub
- Modern weaponry.
TGWeaver
They're still right that population is a factor, though. World population has changed drastically.
Elroydb
The forced Irish Potato Famine killed about 1 million Irish out of a total 4 million. Organization is FAR more important
khazaria
As a %, 20th century was actually pretty peaceful compared to human history. Which is pretty disturbing.
Notforhire
WW1 and WW2??? Are you sure you want to stick to that statement? Im willing to bet more people died in the 20th century due to violence>
Notforhire
Than any other century
khazaria
That's why I said as a percent. And those two events were big spikes, but the 20th century as a whole is different. Back in the day,
khazaria
warfare was constant and you had no choice in the matter.
Tantan11
Yes. I can link a few studies for you as well, but overall the 20th century including the two World Wars had an average death rate lower 1/2
Tantan11
2/2 Then the entirety of human history. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/03/pinker-explains-the-long-peace/ ( A good source)
Pokecole37
he did say as a %, whether or not that's true idk.
enigmasck
It’s almost like regardless of any ideology that humans have penchant for killing each other.
tioseafj
its almost like people justify what they wanted to do anyway by deciding "god said so"
incorporeal5
Woah woah woah, that’s a little too logical.
theballsareonyourface
Who the fuck do you think you are coming here with all this common sense and logic
OddlyParanoid
lDanielHolm
Yes, but religion is about the only cause where otherwise good and moral people do terrible things willingly.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Spoiler alert: There's no such thing as a group of "otherwise good and moral people". We're all shitstains.
lDanielHolm
I genuinely believe the majority of people are good and moral. It's the shitstains that ruin it for the rest of us.
incorporeal5
The majority of Germans allowed the Holocaust to happen. The majority of Russians allowed mass murder to happen. Your point is bad.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Breaking humanity into two groups never works out well. Nobody thinks they're the shitstain.