ChemistryAndPhysicsAreFun
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Jun 21, 2022 4:33 PM
ChemistryAndPhysicsAreFun
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GFYandyourstupidrequirements
Because somehow promoting the general welfare does not mean saving people from cancerous death.
CrunchWrapFrappuccinoo
I guess you don't know anything about our "healthcare" system do you?
MyNipplesTalk
It's an popularity contest on who gets to live and who has to die. Isn't this fun?
HellIsRoundTheCorner
I LOVE constantly being at the bottom of society and never having my basic needs met! Yay capitalism! /s
OmenJones
Even if treatment is covered, there's no safety net until you're in abject poverty. No protection for employment. It's nuts.
GrumpyOldMillennial
If I get cancer, I will kill myself. That's my choice. I can't work during treatment so I lose my job, and my insurance, and can't pay bills
GrumpyOldMillennial
Or buy food. Essentially, cancer is a death sentence for people like me with zero safety net and zero support network.
UserNamesArentEasy
springelmogizmo
UserNamesArentEasy
But that's communism. - Some dumb Republican idiot.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Many dumb Democrats too. It’s not just the Repubs we need to fight on this one.
UserNamesArentEasy
Most likely, people are dumb.
UserNamesArentEasy
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
I mean yes but BraBa and Walt is much more than that.
Andricus
Because the state doesn't help citizens. It helps the top 0.1%, and ~1/3 of the citizens keep voting those into power that make it that way.
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OlaphOfTheNorth
Our society is engineered to keep people too intimidated, uninformed, and busy with subsistence tasks to vote. They're not lazy or stupid.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Just 1/3? Are you sure about that?
thedudeman519
Sadly, its even less than that. Voter turnout in the US is abysmal.
Kalli
The SC just ruled today that healthcare plans don't have to cover dialysis. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1641_3314.pdf
doover
2021, not today. Also, not really what it says. It allows insurers a loophole in outpatient dialysis to “incentivize” ppl onto Medicare.
thinkybrainpains
putting people into medicare means the state or health insurance cos get to "deplete" (drain) all your life savings first: legal theft
doover
kuroda121
Cause the goverment is broken and either wants us enslaved or dead
TiredOfTheBS
Because voters who decide how this works have never personally had cancer.
MikeyOhno
If you wanted to be healthy, you shouldn't have gotten sick.
gwilson1010
We’re a nation of individuals out to be the next housewives of New Jersey
emilytangerine8910
It is the states duty and they don’t do it. Now what? Reach out for help bc you’re desperate, that’s what. We have no safety nets here.
sauronater
B/c America is a pyramid scheme designed to take as much as possible from the poor to give to the rich
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
Its how you get others to pay for your medical treatment when you stand fast against socialized healthcare.
Riptide222
Because "for-profit" Healthcare is a blight on societies as a whole.
AndrewBrandon
And it'll never go away as long as lobbying is allowed. There is too much money to be made by it and even when democrats tried to do it the
AndrewBrandon
Right way we ended up with Obama care, which is just a brilliant scheme because it's still fully for profit and backed by the goverment.
Kbantar
Any business that only makes money by NOT doing its job is a blight.
CelestialSea
No... Just American society.
SomeDetroitGuy
The issue isn't just for-profit healthcare. The big issue is pay-per-procedure which also affects non-profit and government run hospitals.
confanity
The [for-profit] part is not the part of that sentence that should be in scare quotes. You're juuuuuust a bit off.
fallingtrees
What i think is funny, is taxes to pay for healthcare are basically just a nationwide agreed upon gofundme organized by the government
johnvictor
Better that than people dying so the bourgeois can afford a fifth mega yacht to jerk off to.
Riptide222
If you want to drastically oversimplify it, sure
AlaskanX
The important part is it cuts out at least one greedy middleman
Nunyajonesinc
Our media makes an 8 year old selling lemonade to fund her life saving operation into a feel good story. Orphan Crushing Machine
dudehiemer
The USA is basically a corporatocracy. Since a politicians "job" is to get re-elected, they are bought through corporate campaign donations.
thedudeman519
Because the US only has 2 conservative parties , it would seem.
PulpyOJ
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Tell me you don’t live in America without saying, “I don’t live in America.”
puurgenieten
oe oe my children are safe at school
dote
Fuck.
Shamorza
OK: You don’t live in America without saying, “I don’t live in America.”
asymmetriccarbon
shaft2112
„The birth of my daughter did not drive me into debt. Also I enjoy a beer since my 16th birthday.“
pocketpython
Why are you saying that like it's normal to resort to crowdfunding for basic health needs? OP's naive, but the US is not normal by any means
MeestowKitty
We're not. But way too many of our people refuse to get up and actively do anything about it. "Representative democracy" makes people lazy.
hardytardigrade
If the US isn't normal, but the whole context of what you are talking about is in the US, what happens in the US is normal for that context.
Doobiedo3
Insurance companies also SUGGEST it to cover expenses. It's obscene.
GrumpyOldMillennial
One of the largest providers of health care in America IS gofundme. $650m in 2021, or about 1/3 of total GFM monies were for healthcare.
MadMontyMN
We haven't figured out if racism is okay. You want those same people to start paying for the poor?
Navrodel
Correct. Not normal for the US's biggest healthcare funder to be GoFundMe. But that makes someone that uses it like that a normal American.
Navrodel
Americans are not okay.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Well Im afraid to break this to you, but crowdfunding healthcare is the norm in the US. Im not saying that’s a good thing. But it’s the norm
pocketpython
My issue was that you're treating this like its a given, but USA is pretty much the only nation this is considered normal. I'm from 1/2
Renza0
Our only real options are basically accept it, or start a civil war to kill off the religious fascists. our gov is broken as hell.
4etherling
It is a given. We can't rely on our government. This is our normal because we can't get politicians to regard us. We know it's not your norm
Feralkyn
You might have misunderstood the comment you were replying to, then, b/c that's what he's saying.
pocketpython
2/2 UK and even our Right-wing Conservative leaders know not to touch the NHS (in public) despite them seeming to take ideas from the GOP
Progig01
We know it's not normal. All the sane ones at least. We do what we have to do to survive the torment of our corporate overlords.
FoxlovesCookies
It can be the norm in the US but not normal. Healthcare here is stupid.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Yes. It’s very shitty. But it’s also normal here. It’s a fucking tragedy.
blackmasknoir9
American healthcare is basically if you aren't wealthy fuck you and die.
redtruck
It's a country of opportunity. Sell your products and services.. health care is a service. It's a warped viewpoint, but USA was built on it.
blackmasknoir9
Its a country of blatant graft and unhinged greed.
redtruck
Ya, unfortunately it's not a compassionate place anymore. It's "pay up or die" Awful to live in fear of getting sick with no support. Sorry
MightyMorphinPowerPenguins
I'd argue it's more "We're gonna milk you for every last red cent until you no longer have the physical or mental fortitude to continue,
MightyMorphinPowerPenguins
then fuck you and die".
Feralkyn
And if you are only moderately wealthy, you can lose it all in a *heartbeat.* Seniors retiring on life savings after 50+ years of work &
Feralkyn
getting it all wiped out at the first illness is a fucking insult to humanity.
hardytardigrade
Also how the US handles every other issue.
storebrandproductmascot
Same for the legal system. And the job market. And... well pretty much everything.
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UserNamesArentEasy
It is not their duty, also the health industry is a for profit organization. They will charge you up the ass to the point you'll never be..
UserNamesArentEasy
Able to pay it is your lifetime, thus sending the debt to your children which will cripple their finances and the cycle continues.
InvictusXYZrwr
Better than making meth, right?
ChemistryAndPhysicsAreFun
I've seen this tv show. It doesn't end well.
UserNamesArentEasy
Well they made a very popular series about paying for medical bills with meth.
DirtPoorFarmerSeedingUsersub
he didn't pay it with meth but meth money. Money made from making meth. Methy money.
DraconianMarshmallowPoink
Because too many Americans would rather give it all away then share it with people they perceive as lesser than them, and vote accordingly.
TheCartoonWatcher
Sad but true, my father had Pancreatic cancer, even with his insurance, I had to set up a gofundme, just to get extra $$, to help w/bills
TheCartoonWatcher
For gas and travel for his treatments. But it was still not enough, we lost him back in 2016, ?
CamilleSaintSaens
That's awful and I'm very sorry for your loss. Would you consider sharing my friends GoFundMe? https://gofund.me/d5907b7f
CamilleSaintSaens
His kids are now going through what you went through and it's been so difficult to get his GFM enough attention
psychicallychargedbear
1) Its because the Republican Party has scared so many people into thinking that a nationalized health care system is some evil form of
Hambonerhandy
While this is true there is this other problem of blaming one party when both are quite openly hostile to universal healthcare.
Hambonerhandy
This isn't a red vs blue issue it's a working class vs capital issue. Take a look where all that lobbying money goes.
storebrandproductmascot
Dems take health care money, refuse to support UHC, and then their voters shake their heads and go "Damn Republicans ruin everything!" It's
storebrandproductmascot
so exhausting trying to get through to them. They act like ignoring your every argument is a badge of honor to them.
Hambonerhandy
Exact same game, different color. But then you get accused of being a Russian bot or they just go "BoTh SiDeS" and feel so morally superior.
psychicallychargedbear
2) Socialism, which is ironic considering that our fire, police, and retirement systems all also are more direct forms of socialism. No one
psychicallychargedbear
3) Seems to have any issue there. So, even when it gets pointed out that the average U.S. citizen would pay less for nationalized healthcare
SpiteLip
Oh, they have an issue with it. Graham and that other nob said publicly they want to gut Social Security and all Medicare "entitlements"
LadyMidnightToker
Because they don't want to pay back all the "loans" they borrowed against SS.
psychicallychargedbear
The ruling classes, esp. the Republicans, scare them out of it.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
It’s not just Republicans. Bernie can’t get to even a close majority in the House or Senate to go along with M4A.
psychicallychargedbear
That's a valid point. The majority of the narrative is controlled by Rs, while the Ds roll over and pretend they can't do anything about it.
ButtBot9900
America is a hellscape and the government exists to scare and hurt its citizens.
MyPunsAreBadAndIFeelBad
Don't forget, they also bomb people. Others, their own, doesn't matter who.
thedudeman519
Philadelphia checking in!
superpaul79
It exists to make rich people ever more rich. Harming citizens is a happy accident.
OmegaZen
A bit dramatic. There are states that are shitty to live in, many that are great. Problems exist in literally all countries with high pop
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itzwibble
But doctor, i am the comedy show
HellIsRoundTheCorner
Yes if you log off imgur, all the problems will magically go away lmfao /s
OmegaZen
Uh, tons on imgur is overdramatic and thinks the US is "hell" while they sit behind their pc eating cheetos. Stfu. my point is /1
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ministryofpeace
Because we can see the overall stats as a nation in almost any category and see the US is close to undeveloped nations.
ministryofpeace
Looking from the outside in, the US does look like hell these days tbh. Used to live there up till about 20 years ago...
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ministryofpeace
It has some of the worst stats for a developed nation in education, health, welfare, infant &maternal mortality, school deaths, incarcered #